CommonSense's FTDNA results are in!!

[CommonSense]

http://oi67.tinypic.com/2qtiglj.jpg

http://oi67.tinypic.com/wmo1up.jpg


Honestly the results are rather normal, you'd think that somebody who has ancestry from all over the place like I do would score something more unusual. The Slavic input is also stronger than I expected, this will surely disappoint a certain user :)

[Jana]

Congrats! Very similar score like my father. Upload to gedmatch and post your K13 result :)

[CommonSense]

Congrats! Very similar score like my father. Upload to gedmatch and post your K13 result :)

Thanks! This is my first time taking any sort of DNA test, I still need to figure out how to upload to gedmatch, but yes, that's the number one priority right now.

[Kelmendasi]

Congrats. Pretty typical Serbian result. When will the Ydna come in?

[Nazarene]

Congrats bro!

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Congrats, it seems that you are very similar to me by autosomal. :D

[CommonSense]

Congrats. Pretty typical Serbian result. When will the Ydna come in?

In about two weeks or so according to what the FTDNA info says. I'm glad there were no delays with the analysis!

[Kelmendasi]

In about two weeks or so according to what the FTDNA info says. I'm glad there were no delays with the analysis!
You're lucky, FTDNA usually take the piss with their delays lol.

[Moje ime]

Cestitam :) Ocekujemo Gedmatch rezultate.

[Pribislav]

http://oi67.tinypic.com/2qtiglj.jpg

http://oi67.tinypic.com/wmo1up.jpg

The Slavic input is also stronger than I expected, this will surely disappoint a certain user :)

Bosniensis :)

[Leto]

I was expecting something reversed. Like 67% SE and 32% East.

[Moje ime]

http://oi67.tinypic.com/2qtiglj.jpg

http://oi67.tinypic.com/wmo1up.jpg


Honestly the results are rather normal, you'd think that somebody who has ancestry from all over the place like I do would score something more unusual. The Slavic input is also stronger than I expected, this will surely disappoint a certain user :)

Where are your known ancestors from? I remember you said east Serbia partially.

[Tauromachos]

The Slavic input is also stronger than I expected, this will surely disappoint a certain user :)

Do you cluster with any Greeks?

Lol why should he be disappointed?
Do you look similar to him?

[Moje ime]

I was expecting something reversed. Like 67% SE and 32% East.

Why? His result is common.

[Leto]

Decius gets about 40% North European on Dodecad K12b, I wonder how much you would get.

[Leto]

Why? His result is common.
Albanians get 100% SE European. Serbs cluster somewhere between us and Albanians.

[CommonSense]

Where are your known ancestors from? I remember you said east Serbia partially.

Paternal ancestors are all Serbs from Bihać and the immediate area in Bosnian Krajina. Maternal side is much more diverse: My grandmother is from Lika, half-Serbian and half-Croatian and my grandfather is from Eastern Serbia (ancestry from Zaječar and Negotin) and he was 3/4 Serb, 1/4 Romanian/Vlach.

[CommonSense]

Do you cluster with any Greeks?

Lol why should he be disappointed?
Do you look similar to him?

I mostly got matches with people from the US with Anglo and South Slavic surnames. Oddly enough there is one Cuban-American guy who is, according to this, my 2nd - 4th cousin, although he only listed Spanish and minor Jewish and French ancestry :rolleyes:

I don't look like Bosniensis, but half of my ancestors are from the same town he is. He is obssesed with Serbs being Vlachs/Romans and always tries to disassociate with Slavs.

[Moje ime]

Albanians get 100% SE European. Serbs cluster somewhere between us and Albanians.

Besides matches with ex Yugoslavs on MyHeritage I have many matches with Ukrainians and Russians and then with west Europeans and maybe only one Albanian, Greek match, nothing else from southern Europe. And my result is average Serbian.

[Pribislav]

Paternal ancestors are all Serbs from Bihać and the immediate area in Bosnian Krajina. Maternal side is much more diverse: My grandmother is from Lika, half-Serbian and half-Croatian and my grandfather is from Eastern Serbia (ancestry from Zaječar and Negotin) and he was 3/4 Serb, 1/4 Romanian/Vlach.

Result of one Serb, similar as yours. He is 100% Serb (3/4 from Lika and 1/4 from northern Dalmatia).
https://i.imgur.com/a66M1h2.png

[Moje ime]

Paternal ancestors are all Serbs from Bihać and the immediate area in Bosnian Krajina. Maternal side is much more diverse: My grandmother is from Lika, half-Serbian and half-Croatian and my grandfather is from Eastern Serbia (ancestry from Zaječar and Negotin) and he was 3/4 Serb, 1/4 Romanian/Vlach.

Then you have Bosnian ancestry as well. I thought you have only ancestors from Serbia.

[CommonSense]

Then you have Bosnian ancestry as well. I thought you have only ancestors from Serbia.

To sam i spomenuo, nego nisi dobro upamtila ;)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?253436-Classify-me&p=5308084&viewfull=1#post5308084

[Pribislav]

Then you have Bosnian ancestry as well. I thought you have only ancestors from Serbia.

His Bosnian ancestors are Bosnian Serbs. They maybe came to western Bosnia in 19th century from Lika. Serbs from Bihać area and some other parts of western Bosnia are mostly settlers from Lika in 19th century.

For example writter Branko Ćopić was from Bosanska Krupa in western Bosnia. His grandfather came to Bosanska krupa from Gračac in Lika.

[Pribislav]

I was expecting something reversed. Like 67% SE and 32% East.

His result is typical for Prečani Serbs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prečani_(Serbs)

Most of his ancestors are from this branch of Serbs.

[Leto]

His result is typical for Prečani Serbs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prečani_(Serbs)

Most of his ancestors are from this branch of Serbs.
Okay. Then CS probably has an extra amount of Northeastern blood.

[CommonSense]

His result is typical for Prečani Serbs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prečani_(Serbs)

Most of his ancestors are from this branch of Serbs.

Jel ima neko od Srba koji su se testirali preko FTDNA da je dobio veci procent EE od mene?

[Pribislav]

Jel ima neko od Srba koji su se testirali preko FTDNA da je dobio veci procent EE od mene?

Ovaj Srbin iz Like je dobio 80% EE
https://i.imgur.com/sfKQmmy.png

[CommonSense]

Ovaj Srbin iz Like je dobio 80% EE
https://i.imgur.com/sfKQmmy.png

Da, mislim da si već jednom spomenuo njega kao "rekordera". Zaista neobično velika količina istočnoevropskog admiksa, ali pada u oči i ovo 3% sefardskog. Da li i FTDNA brlja kad je u pitanju jevrejsko poreklo?

[Pribislav]

Da, mislim da si već jednom spomenuo njega kao "rekordera". Zaista neobično velika količina istočnoevropskog admiksa, ali pada u oči i ovo 3% sefardskog. Da li i FTDNA brlja kad je u pitanju jevrejsko poreklo?

Mislim da on ne zna da li ima jevrejskih primesa, već su mu svi Srbi odkad se pamti.

Njegova haplogrupa je J2b1-M205.

[Jana]

FTDNA treba uzeti s dozom rezerve, nisu oni super pouzdani. Npr. jedan Zagorski Hrvat ima 99% istočne Europe, a genetski je najsličniji Česima a ne Bjelorusima ili Ukrajincima.

[CommonSense]

FTDNA treba uzeti s dozom rezerve, nisu oni super pouzdani. Npr. jedan Zagorski Hrvat ima 99% istočne Europe, a genetski je najsličniji Česima a ne Bjelorusima ili Ukrajincima.

Da, termini koje FTDNA koristi se ne poklapaju geografski sa onim što većina ljudi ima na umu. Kod njih u jugoistočnu Evropu spada i čitava Italija, a u istočnu Rumunija i severni delovi Bugarske, Srbije i Hrvatske.

[Jana]

Da, termini koje FTDNA koristi se ne poklapaju geografski sa onim što većina ljudi ima na umu. Kod njih u jugoistočnu Evropu spada i čitava Italija, a u istočnu Rumunija i severni delovi Bugarske, Srbije i Hrvatske.

Opet su bolji od 23andme, gdje je donedavno Malta bila utrpana u Balkan a Slovenija u istočnu Europu :D

FTDNA je jednostavan i vrlo dobar za južne slavene jer nismo dio niti jednog referentnog uzorka, pa možeš objektivno vidjeti što si. Po ovome si pretežito Slavenskog porijekla kao i većina Srba Prečana.

[Pribislav]

Decius gets about 40% North European on Dodecad K12b, I wonder how much you would get.

Decius is about on average for Serbs.

He is little more southern than average Serbs from his region (for around 2%).

[CommonSense]

Opet su bolji od 23andme, gdje je donedavno Malta bila utrpana u Balkan a Slovenija u istočnu Europu :D

FTDNA je jednostavan i vrlo dobar za južne slavene jer nismo dio niti jednog referentnog uzorka, pa možeš objektivno vidjeti što si. Po ovome si pretežito Slavenskog porijekla kao i većina Srba Prečana.

Zaista moram reći da sam za sad sasvim zadovoljam uslugom koju su mi pružili. Ne samo u smislu rezultata testiranja i mogućnosti brzog uploada na gedmatch i slične sajtove, nego i brzinom dostave pribora, a potom i analize uzorka nakon što im je stigao u laboratoriju - sve su uspeli da završe za predviđeno vreme, pa čak i malo ranije od toga.

[Jana]

Zaista moram reći da sam za sad sasvim zadovoljam uslugom koju su mi pružili. Ne samo u smislu rezultata testiranja i mogućnosti brzog uploada na gedmatch i slične sajtove, nego i brzinom dostave pribora, a potom i analize uzorka nakon što im je stigao u laboratoriju - sve su uspeli da završe za predviđeno vreme, pa čak i malo ranije od toga.

Btw, više si Slaven i manje Balkanac od Stearsa na FTDNA, hehehe :thumb001:

[Pribislav]

Btw, više si Slaven i manje Balkanac od Stearsa na FTDNA, hehehe :thumb001:

Koliko EE je dobio Stears?

[Jana]

Koliko EE je dobio Stears?

55 %

[Norb]

Congrats. Pretty typical Serbian result. When will the Ydna come in?

take a guess at what it will be?

[Pribislav]

55 %

Sigurno mu je germanski upliv smanjio % EE.
Čini mi se da si nedavno rekla da mu majka ima nemačkih primesa.

[Jana]

Sigurno mu je germanski upliv smanjio % EE.
Čini mi se da si nedavno rekla da mu majka ima nemačkih primesa.

Zapravo, on je dobio visoki postotak Balkana 33% , ali nemojmo sada o njemu, ovo je CommonSensova tema i baš me zanima reakcija Vlašine Bosniensisa :) On je iz Bihaća i uopće nije tipičan za taj kraj, pa nas sve proglašava Vlasima...

[Pribislav]

Zapravo, on je dobio visoki postotak Balkana 33% , ali nemojmo sada o njemu, ovo je CommonSensova tema i baš me zanima reakcija Vlašine Bosniensisa :) On je iz Bihaća i uopće nije tipičan za taj kraj, pa nas sve proglašava Vlasima...

OK.
Nema ga nešto danas... Možda se je video rezultat od CS a da se nije ulogovao, pas ne zna šta će sad i zato se ne pojavljuje na forumu. :)
Svi preci od CS sa očeve strane su iz okoline Bihaća kao i Bosniensis. Plus CS ima predaka i sa istoka Srbije. Pored toga CS je genetski više Sloven od Sinana/Bosniensisa.

[CommonSense]

Zapravo, on je dobio visoki postotak Balkana 33% , ali nemojmo sada o njemu, ovo je CommonSensova tema i baš me zanima reakcija Vlašine Bosniensisa :) On je iz Bihaća i uopće nije tipičan za taj kraj, pa nas sve proglašava Vlasima...

On je Crnogorac i Goranac poreklom, zato se i razlikuje od nas. Doduše on na to uopšte ne gleda na taj način, već uporno tvrdi da smo svi genetski homogeni i skoro čistog vlaško-rimskog porekla. Još uvek čekamo da nam objasni odakle toliko snažan Slovenski upliv kod Bošnjaka i Srba prečana :)

[Moje ime]

Ja bih ipak sacekala s Gedmatch rezultatima pre uporedjivanja. Hocu da kazem ovo sto daju razne kompanije kao razultat je vise onako odprilike.

[Jana]

On je Crnogorac i Goranac poreklom, zato se i razlikuje od nas. Doduše on na to uopšte ne gleda na taj način, već uporno tvrdi da smo svi genetski homogeni i skoro čistog vlaško-rimskog porekla. Još uvek čekamo da nam objasni odakle toliko snažan Slovenski upliv kod Bošnjaka i Srba prečana :)

Pa čak i on ima značajan Slavenski upliv, oko 40-45 %, plus YDNA no to uporno ignorira. Ja sam shvatila u čemu je stvar. On ne želi biti mješavina , što južni slaveni jesu, nego ili Ilir ili Slaven, a zna da je daleko od pravih Slavena pa onda bira Balkansku opciju, mada on nema previše veze sa Albancima ili Grcima, Arumunjima genetski. Vjerojatno i zbog vlastitog fenotipa što je u biti prava lutrija.

Nekim ljudima je neobjašnjivo da svijet nije crno-bijel.

[Mingle]

Thanks! This is my first time taking any sort of DNA test, I still need to figure out how to upload to gedmatch, but yes, that's the number one priority right now.

(In case you haven't figured it out yet)

1. Download your raw data.

2. Register on GEDmatch.

3. Upload your FTDNA.

https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/autosomal-ancestry/universal-dna-matching/may-download-family-finder-raw-data/

https://www.yourdnaguide.com/transfer-to-gedmatch/

[Pribislav]

On je Crnogorac i Goranac poreklom, zato se i razlikuje od nas. Doduše on na to uopšte ne gleda na taj način, već uporno tvrdi da smo svi genetski homogeni i skoro čistog vlaško-rimskog porekla. Još uvek čekamo da nam objasni odakle toliko snažan Slovenski upliv kod Bošnjaka i Srba prečana :)

Onaj Srbin iz Like što ima 63% EE i čiji rezultat sam ovde postavio ima poklapanje po y dnk sa Bosniensisom.
Njihov zajednički predak po direktnoj muškoj liniji je živeo pre par vekova.
Njihovi preci su u 15-om veku iz Istočne Hercegovine došli u severoistočnu Bosnu, a 16-om veku su pod imenom Usorci došli u Liku. Sinanovi preci su se poturčili, a kasnije kad su Austrijanci zauzeli Liku kao poturice su izbegli u Bihać.
Na Kordunu je do nedavno bilo pravoslavnih Srba sa istim prezimenom kao Bosniensis.

Ovo su migracije iz Istočne Hercegovine, preko SE Bosne, do Like i Cazinske Krajine Bosniensisovih predaka Zirića (koji su se poturčili) i njegovih rođaka Čankovića i Janjatovića koji su pravoslavni Srbni iz Like.
Zirići su označeni zelenom bojom, logično. :)
https://i.imgur.com/6Hca33K.jpg

[Pribislav]

Pa čak i on ima značajan Slavenski upliv, oko 40-45 %, plus YDNA no to uporno ignorira. Ja sam shvatila u čemu je stvar. On ne želi biti mješavina , što južni slaveni jesu, nego ili Ilir ili Slaven, a zna da je daleko od pravih Slavena pa onda bira Balkansku opciju, mada on nema previše veze sa Albancima ili Grcima, Arumunjima genetski. Vjerojatno i zbog vlastitog fenotipa što je u biti prava lutrija.

Nekim ljudima je neobjašnjivo da svijet nije crno-bijel.

Kao što kažeš njegov fenotip ima sigurno veze sa onim budalaštima što piše. Osim toga on je musliman, a poznato je da su južnoslovenski muslimani veliki mrzitelji svega što ima veze sa Slovenima. Oni Slovene asociraju pod broj jedan sa Rusima i pravoslavljem. Oni misle da im je Rusija neprijatelj i da je ona srušila njihovo voljeno i nikad prežaljeno Osmansko carstvo, i da i dan danas radi protiv njih.
Primetio sam da bosanski muslimani slovenstvo osim sa Rusima često asociraju i sa Srbima, valjda zato što su Srbi jedini slavofoni narod na Balkanu koji se ponosi slovenskim korenima. Rusi, Srbi, pravoslavlje, slovenstvo sve je to za njih isto i neprijateljsko. Reis Mustafa Cerić je poručio Bošnjacima: " Ako vas neko pita šta ste, recite da ste Iliri."

[Thorfinn]

Decius gets about 40% North European on Dodecad K12b, I wonder how much you would get.
These calculators are noisy and unreliable. Southerners get too many Northern components. Mom's best and reliable calculator MDLP 27, Eurogenes 36 and Lucash K47

[Pribislav]

These calculators are noisy and unreliable. Southerners get too many Northern components. Mom's best and reliable calculator MDLP 27, Eurogenes 36 and Lucash K47

Whast is weird about that?

Serbs have about 65% northern y dna, and about 40% North European on average at K12b dodecad.

Our southern autosomal component is mostly from female lines.

[Moje ime]

Decius gets about 40% North European on Dodecad K12b, I wonder how much you would get.

I get North_European 40.59 and that is Serbian average.

[Dukagjini]

Thanks! This is my first time taking any sort of DNA test, I still need to figure out how to upload to gedmatch, but yes, that's the number one priority right now.

Also you should download raw data and upload it to DNA.LAND, myheritage, and if you want GenePlaza (it costs lik 5-6 euro, and idk if it works well with FTDNA). These are just some cool admix calculators to try, DNA.LAND especially.

[Thorfinn]

Whast is weird about that?

Serbs have about 65% northern y dna, and about 40% North European on average at K12b dodecad.

Our southern autosomal component is mostly from female lines.
These are old noisy and unreliable calculators. Use the new K47 or K36 calculator

[Pribislav]

These are old noisy and unreliable calculators. Use the new K47 or K36 calculator

In all calculators basically is roughly similar.

The best calculator in my opinion is K15.

[Thorfinn]

Thanks! This is my first time taking any sort of DNA test, I still need to figure out how to upload to gedmatch, but yes, that's the number one priority right now.
yourdnaportal.com
Upload it here. Here are the best calculators that are not in Gedmatch

[Joso]

cool

[Thorfinn]

In all calculators basically is roughly similar.

The best calculator in my opinion is K15.
It looks too ancient and does not allow to understand who is brown and who is white. Publish your K47 please. This is my favorite calculator. It is the most differentiated.

[Moje ime]

It looks too ancient and does not allow to understand who is brown and who is white. Publish your K47 please. This is my favorite calculator. It is the most differentiated.

Where is that?

[Thorfinn]

Where is that?
yourdnaportal.com

Try these calculators. They are new and most reliable, as new samples are involved. In Russia, popular MPLP 27. I personally like K47. Lucas wisely he did, and all visible impurities or lack thereof.

[rein]

yourdnaportal.com

Try these calculators. They are new and most reliable, as new samples are involved. In Russia, popular MPLP 27. I personally like K47. Lucas wisely he did, and all visible impurities or lack thereof.

They even have a calculator for Kurdish and Turkic people.

[Moje ime]

yourdnaportal.com

Try these calculators. They are new and most reliable, as new samples are involved. In Russia, popular MPLP 27. I personally like K47. Lucas wisely he did, and all visible impurities or lack thereof.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?233788-Post-K47-Results&p=5454233&viewfull=1#post5454233

Seems interesting. What do you think?

[CommonSense]

Also you should download raw data and upload it to DNA.LAND, myheritage, and if you want GenePlaza (it costs lik 5-6 euro, and idk if it works well with FTDNA). These are just some cool admix calculators to try, DNA.LAND especially.
I already uploaded it to DNALAND, though it's the same case as with gedmatch, still uploading. I'll try out the other two as soon as I can.


yourdnaportal.com
Upload it here. Here are the best calculators that are not in Gedmatch

Thanks. I'll try it out.

[Decius]

Congrats post gedmatch calculators dodecad k12b

[Leto]

I already uploaded it to DNALAND, though it's the same case as with gedmatch, still uploading. I'll try out the other two as soon as I can.
You can already use calculators, I think. Even if the kit has not been tokenized yet.

[Thorfinn]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?233788-Post-K47-Results&p=5454233&viewfull=1#post5454233

Seems interesting. What do you think?
Hmmm...The impression is that the Belarusians came to the Balkans and married Italians and Spaniards.

[CommonSense]

You can already use calculators, I think. Even if the kit has not been tokenized yet.

Which ones, I tried various Eurogenes calculators, but I kept getting an error?

[Decius]

Which ones, I tried various Eurogenes calculators, but I kept getting an error?

Try dodecad k12

[Bosniensis]

Interesting results CommonSense, it seems that South Slavs are indeed Slavic. Only some of us like myself are somewhat more southern due mixing with East Med people in Ottoman Empire probably.

Here is mine for comparison:

https://i.imgur.com/Gfh5Op9.png

https://i.imgur.com/u2DaHzG.png

[CommonSense]

Interesting results CommonSense, it seems that South Slavs are indeed Slavic. Only some of us like myself are somewhat more southern due mixing with East Med people in Ottoman Empire probably.

Here is mine for comparison:

https://i.imgur.com/Gfh5Op9.png

https://i.imgur.com/u2DaHzG.png

Yes, there is no point in denying our Slavic ancestry. It's childish and reeks of an inferiority complex. Now that you've admitted it, you should finally leave the Greeks and Turks alone, they're angry enough as it is ;)

[CommonSense]

Try dodecad k12

Still gives me an error telling me the tokenization process is not complete.

[Jana]

Still gives me an error telling me the tokenization process is not complete.

Are you on gedmatch genesis or regular gedmatch ?

[Not a Cop]

Still gives me an error telling me the tokenization process is not complete.

It has two types of tokenization - one for Calcs, and one for Matches, first is done within an hour and second within a day.

[Moje ime]

Still gives me an error telling me the tokenization process is not complete.

Try yourdnaportal k47 it is really fast

[CommonSense]

Are you on gedmatch genesis or regular gedmatch ?

The regular one.

[CommonSense]

Kushitic 0.00%
North Iberian 4.35%
East Iberian 0.99%
Tibeto Burman 0.00%
North African 1.19%
South Caucasian 10.19%
North Caucasian 0.00%
Paleo Balkan 7.06%
Turkic Altai 0.00%
Proto Austronesian 0.00%
Nilotic 0.00%
East Mediterranean 8.11%
Omotic 0.00%
Munda 0.00%
North Amerind 0.00%
Arabic 0.00%
East European 20.96%
Central African Hunter Gatherer 0.00%
Andean 0.00%
Indo Chinese 0.00%
South Indian 0.00%
North East Asian 0.00%
Volgan 1.26%
Mongolian 0.00%
Siberian 0.00%
North Sea Germanic 5.66%
Celtic 8.87%
West African 0.00%
West Finnic 3.86%
Uralic 0.00%
Sahelian 0.00%
North West Indian 0.17%
East African Hunter Gatherer 0.00%
East Asian 0.00%
Amuro Manchurian 0.00%
Scando Germanic 5.97%
Iranian 4.37%
South African Hunter Gatherer 0.00%
Amazonian 0.17%
Baltic 10.06%
Malay 0.00%
Meso Amerind 0.00%
South Chinese 0.00%
Papuan 0.00%
West Mediterranean 3.95%
Pamirian 0.00%
Central Mediterranean 2.82%

[Jana]

The regular one.

I had similar problem with my parents kits, this is what Peterski wrote and it was helpful:


They will never be tokenized if you uploaded without X chromosome.

You need to upload the "Concatenated" FTDNA files, not "Autosomal".

[CommonSense]

EUROGENES k36

Amerindian 0.00%
Arabian 0.00%
Armenian 0.00%
Basque 1.88%
Central African 0.00%
Central Euro 5.64%
East African 0.00%
East Asian 0.00%
East Balkan 7.26%
East Central Asian 0.00%
East Central Euro 14.25%
East Med 8.43%
Eastern Euro 6.92%
Fennoscandian 9.11%
French 2.50%
Iberian 7.73%
Indo-Chinese 0.00%
Italian 16.63%
Malayan 0.00%
Near Eastern 0.00%
North African 0.00%
North Atlantic 3.40%
North Caucasian 4.94%
North Sea 4.72%
Northeast African 0.00%
Oceanian 0.00%
Omotic 0.00%
Pygmy 0.00%
Siberian 0.00%
South Asian 0.00%
South Central Asian 0.28%
South Chinese 0.00%
Volga-Ural 1.14%
West African 0.00%
West Caucasian 3.01%
West Med 2.16%

[CommonSense]

I had similar problem with my parents kits, this is what Peterski wrote and it was helpful:

Hvala!!

[Thorfinn]

East European 20.96%
Iranian 4.37%
Baltic 10.06%

Looks like a Balto Slavic with an Iranian grandmother.

[CommonSense]

Looks like a Balto Slavic with an Iranian grandmother.

In other words, Scythian.

[Moje ime]

Celtic 8.87%


It seems I have the most Celtic admixture in K47 calculator of all other Serbian results so far

my result

Celtic 9.72%

[Jana]

EUROGENES k36

Amerindian 0.00%
Arabian 0.00%
Armenian 0.00%
Basque 1.88%
Central African 0.00%
Central Euro 5.64%
East African 0.00%
East Asian 0.00%
East Balkan 7.26%
East Central Asian 0.00%
East Central Euro 14.25%
East Med 8.43%
Eastern Euro 6.92%
Fennoscandian 9.11%
French 2.50%
Iberian 7.73%
Indo-Chinese 0.00%
Italian 16.63%
Malayan 0.00%
Near Eastern 0.00%
North African 0.00%
North Atlantic 3.40%
North Caucasian 4.94%
North Sea 4.72%
Northeast African 0.00%
Oceanian 0.00%
Omotic 0.00%
Pygmy 0.00%
Siberian 0.00%
South Asian 0.00%
South Central Asian 0.28%
South Chinese 0.00%
Volga-Ural 1.14%
West African 0.00%
West Caucasian 3.01%
West Med 2.16%

Try this: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?215107-Eurogenes-K36-Similarity-Tool-Map

Edit: already done by Bosniensis :)

[Bosniensis]

CommonSense K36 map

https://i.imgur.com/5jKtJ5a.png

[Bosniensis]

It seems that Romanians are ALL Slavs who pretend they are latins.

CommonSense align more with Romania than Croatia lol xD

[CommonSense]

Gedmatch works now, I made the mistake of uploading the wrong raw data file.

EUROGENES k13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.68
2 North_Atlantic 24.67
3 West_Med 17.62
4 East_Med 13.95
5 West_Asian 11.85
6 South_Asian 1.51
7 Oceanian 0.87
8 Amerindian 0.57
9 Siberian 0.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.8
2 Romanian 5.69
3 Moldavian 6.36
4 Bulgarian 7.52
5 Croatian 9.21
6 Hungarian 9.98
7 Austrian 13.06
8 East_German 14.33
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.6
10 Greek_Thessaly 16.1
11 South_Polish 16.37
12 Ukrainian 16.84
13 West_German 18.3
14 North_Italian 19
15 South_Dutch 19.86
16 French 19.88
17 Polish 19.95
18 Southwest_Russian 20.22
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.28
20 Tuscan 20.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.5% Romanian + 46.5% Moldavian @ 2.81
2 79.6% Moldavian + 20.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.96
3 55.1% Moldavian + 44.9% Bulgarian @ 2.96
4 55.9% Bulgarian + 44.1% Croatian @ 3.09
5 64.5% Romanian + 35.5% Croatian @ 3.12
6 83% Moldavian + 17% South_Italian @ 3.12
7 78.5% Moldavian + 21.5% Tuscan @ 3.13
8 81% Moldavian + 19% West_Sicilian @ 3.18
9 74.1% Moldavian + 25.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.18
10 80.5% Moldavian + 19.5% Central_Greek @ 3.19
11 77.9% Romanian + 22.1% Ukrainian @ 3.23
12 72.5% Croatian + 27.5% Central_Greek @ 3.26
13 76.6% Romanian + 23.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.26
14 75.9% Croatian + 24.1% South_Italian @ 3.32
15 70.5% Bulgarian + 29.5% South_Polish @ 3.39
16 69.5% Bulgarian + 30.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.42
17 81.2% Romanian + 18.8% Polish @ 3.44
18 77.9% Romanian + 22.1% South_Polish @ 3.44
19 71.9% Croatian + 28.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.45
20 81.8% Moldavian + 18.2% East_Sicilian @ 3.45

[Dukagjini]

Does anyone know when FTDNA kits usually go on sale? Do just the autosomal kits ever go on sale or is it the y-37 +autosomal package that has goes on sale as I've seen.

[Jana]

Great! Now post K15 and plot yourself on the map :)
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

[CommonSense]

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:
The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 39.13
2 Atlantic_Med 27.37
3 Caucasus 21.27
4 Gedrosia 6.96
5 Southwest_Asian 3.52
6 East_Asian 0.62
7 Southeast_Asian 0.42
8 Siberian 0.4
9 South_Asian 0.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 8.64
2 Hungarians (Behar) 10
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 10.38
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.94
5 German (Dodecad) 14.28
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 17.97
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 18.6
8 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.35
9 French (Dodecad) 19.57
10 Dutch (Dodecad) 19.58
11 French (HGDP) 19.79
12 Kent (1000Genomes) 21.62
13 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 21.76
14 English (Dodecad) 21.96
15 North_Italian (HGDP) 22.38
16 TSI30 (Metspalu) 22.42
17 Tuscan (HGDP) 23.02
18 British_Isles (Dodecad) 23.19
19 Greek (Dodecad) 23.59
20 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 23.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 36.3% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.22
2 70.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 29.7% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.26
3 65.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 34.2% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.32
4 70.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 29.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.35
5 78.2% German (Dodecad) + 21.8% Armenians (Behar) @ 2.36
6 74.2% Romanians (Behar) + 25.8% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.37
7 68.2% Romanians (Behar) + 31.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.39
8 58.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 41.8% German (Dodecad) @ 2.46
9 71.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 28.9% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.52
10 74.9% Romanians (Behar) + 25.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.56
11 70.2% Romanians (Behar) + 29.8% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.58
12 71.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 28.9% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.65
13 75.1% Romanians (Behar) + 24.9% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.66
14 68.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 31.7% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.68
15 71.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 28.6% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.71
16 68.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 31.5% English (Dodecad) @ 2.73
17 73.3% German (Dodecad) + 26.7% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 2.74
18 75.1% Romanians (Behar) + 24.9% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.74
19 72.5% Romanians (Behar) + 27.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.8
20 63.1% Romanians (Behar) + 36.9% German (Dodecad) @ 2.8

[Moje ime]

Dodecad K12b, North European 39, it is under Serbian average 40. I think you have more Gedrosia, that is where that percent is lost, at least compared with my result.

[Thorfinn]

In other words, Scythian.
Aha, the Scythian grandmother
https://image.ibb.co/d4LDwp/image.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[CommonSense]

https://i.imgur.com/vagi5b4.jpg

[Dukagjini]

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:
The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

Kit T361196

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 39.13
2 Atlantic_Med 27.37
3 Caucasus 21.27
4 Gedrosia 6.96
5 Southwest_Asian 3.52
6 East_Asian 0.62
7 Southeast_Asian 0.42
8 Siberian 0.4
9 South_Asian 0.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 8.64
2 Hungarians (Behar) 10
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 10.38
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.94
5 German (Dodecad) 14.28
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 17.97
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 18.6
8 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.35
9 French (Dodecad) 19.57
10 Dutch (Dodecad) 19.58
11 French (HGDP) 19.79
12 Kent (1000Genomes) 21.62
13 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 21.76
14 English (Dodecad) 21.96
15 North_Italian (HGDP) 22.38
16 TSI30 (Metspalu) 22.42
17 Tuscan (HGDP) 23.02
18 British_Isles (Dodecad) 23.19
19 Greek (Dodecad) 23.59
20 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 23.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 36.3% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.22
2 70.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 29.7% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.26
3 65.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 34.2% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.32
4 70.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 29.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.35
5 78.2% German (Dodecad) + 21.8% Armenians (Behar) @ 2.36
6 74.2% Romanians (Behar) + 25.8% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.37
7 68.2% Romanians (Behar) + 31.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.39
8 58.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 41.8% German (Dodecad) @ 2.46
9 71.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 28.9% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.52
10 74.9% Romanians (Behar) + 25.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.56
11 70.2% Romanians (Behar) + 29.8% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.58
12 71.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 28.9% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.65
13 75.1% Romanians (Behar) + 24.9% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.66
14 68.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 31.7% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.68
15 71.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 28.6% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.71
16 68.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 31.5% English (Dodecad) @ 2.73
17 73.3% German (Dodecad) + 26.7% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 2.74
18 75.1% Romanians (Behar) + 24.9% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.74
19 72.5% Romanians (Behar) + 27.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.8
20 63.1% Romanians (Behar) + 36.9% German (Dodecad) @ 2.8

How long did it take you to get results from ftdna?

[Bosniensis]

In other words, Scythian.

Slavs are Scythians.

I've personally read an Greek Scroll of Basil who said: "I need to talk with delegation of two Scythian tribes Serbs and Croats"

Check this if you are interested in more:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfmeLVVtR0A

[CommonSense]

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Kit T361196

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 20.46
2 Baltic 17.33
3 West_Med 13.55
4 Eastern_Euro 12.66
5 Atlantic 12.01
6 East_Med 11.36
7 West_Asian 10.97
8 South_Asian 1.03
9 Oceanian 0.63

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.37
2 Moldavian 6.62
3 Romanian 6.78
4 Hungarian 9.16
5 Bulgarian 9.18
6 Croatian 9.78
7 Austrian 11.87
8 East_German 13.55
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.17
10 Greek_Thessaly 14.47
11 Ukrainian 15.02
12 South_Polish 15.2
13 Greek 16.72
14 West_German 17.47
15 Polish 18.14
16 North_Italian 18.24
17 French 18.32
18 South_Dutch 18.46
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.51
20 Tuscan 18.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.5% Moldavian + 27.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.03
2 80.6% Moldavian + 19.4% Central_Greek @ 4.38
3 80.4% Moldavian + 19.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.48
4 83.4% Moldavian + 16.6% South_Italian @ 4.49
5 81.9% Moldavian + 18.1% East_Sicilian @ 4.58
6 51% Greek_Thessaly + 49% Ukrainian @ 4.63
7 79.3% Moldavian + 20.7% Tuscan @ 4.64
8 85.9% Moldavian + 14.1% Italian_Jewish @ 4.72
9 51.2% Moldavian + 48.8% Romanian @ 4.73
10 83% Moldavian + 17% West_Sicilian @ 4.84
11 82% Moldavian + 18% Ashkenazi @ 4.87
12 89.6% Moldavian + 10.4% Armenian @ 4.88
13 78.1% Moldavian + 21.9% Greek @ 4.88
14 88% Moldavian + 12% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.89
15 50.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 49.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.9
16 88.6% Moldavian + 11.4% Cyprian @ 4.9
17 87.2% Moldavian + 12.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.97
18 51.4% Greek_Thessaly + 48.6% South_Polish @ 4.99
19 59.2% Ukrainian + 40.8% Central_Greek @ 5.05
20 87.3% Moldavian + 12.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.06

[Thorfinn]

It seems I have the most Celtic admixture in K47 calculator of all other Serbian results so far

my result

Celtic 9.72%
The Poles also have a high Celtic, but German is not enough. That is what is the ancient Celtic substratum of the Slavs. The Serbs most likely came from the territory of the south-western Poland - Sklaviny.
It is interesting to look at the result of Pribislav

[CommonSense]

How long did it take you to get results from ftdna?

Ordered the test on August 6th, received it on August 21st. They batched in on September 5th and I received the results today. Overall, fairly quick.

[Thorfinn]

Slavs are Scythians.

I've personally read an Greek Scroll of Basil who said: "I need to talk with delegation of two Scythian tribes Serbs and Croats"

Check this if you are interested in more:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfmeLVVtR0A
Only modern Iranians are not Scythians, but ordinary Arabs. Iran's proxy is a modern population with all its Middle Eastern admixture.

[CommonSense]

On a north-south scale it seems I'm not much different from other Serbs, just more eastern shifted which is why Moldovan pops up so often in my calculators.

[Pribislav]

It is interesting to look at the result of Pribislav

When I do the test, you will know first.

[Moje ime]

The Poles also have a high Celtic, but German is not enough. That is what is the ancient Celtic substratum of the Slavs. The Serbs most likely came from the territory of the south-western Poland - Sklaviny.
It is interesting to look at the result of Pribislav

There were Celtic settlements on teritory of modern Serbia before official Slavic settlements in 6th century.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scordisci

[Thorfinn]

On a north-south scale it seems I'm not much different from other Serbs, just more eastern shifted which is why Moldovan pops up so often in my calculators.
Please give your MDLP 27

[Moje ime]

On a north-south scale it seems I'm not much different from other Serbs, just more eastern shifted which is why Moldovan pops up so often in my calculators.

I think you have most eastern shifted result of all Serbian results here.

[Dukagjini]

Ordered the test on August 6th, received it on August 21st. They batched in on September 5th and I received the results today. Overall, fairly quick.

Not bad, 23andme took me about the same too...i think they all take around a month or so, unless there are bad delays, or other issues.

[Thorfinn]

When I do the test, you will know first.
Serbs - Balkan isolate, like the Balts. I do not think that your results will be anything special.

[Jana]

Wow, you are as eastern as Stears (he is just more northern than you), must be your small Romanian ancestry. Welcome to the Club :D

[CommonSense]

Wow, you are as eastern as Stears (he is just motre northern as you), must be your small Romanian ancestry. Welcome to the Club :D

Awww, he tried so hard to convince us that Hungarians are a 'western nation gentically', unlike Serbs and Romanians xD

[Dick]

Awww, he tried so hard to convince us that Hungarians are a 'western nation gentically', unlike Serbs and Romanians xD

When do you expect ydna to be completed

[CommonSense]

When do you expect ydna to be completed

Around two more weeks, that's what I told Kelmendasi on one of the first pages.

[Pribislav]

Serbs - Balkan isolate, like the Balts. I do not think that your results will be anything special.

What exactly do you mean?

[Jana]

Awww, he tried so hard to convince us that Hungarians are a 'western nation gentically', unlike Serbs and Romanians xD

They are actually, but Szekely are not, they may be even more eastern shifted than Moldavians :D

[Decius]

Holy shit drinking is so good I understand why we Serbs drink now

[Jana]

Which YDNA would you like to be ?

[Gründig]

They are actually, but Szekely are not, they may be even more eastern shifted than Moldavians :D

Some of David's (at eurogenes) Hungarian populations place very closely to his German populations. I thought that was interesting.

[Jana]

Some of David's (at eurogenes) Hungarian populations place very closely to his German populations. I thought that was interesting.

Swabian and medieval Germans assimilants to Hungarian society, Hungary was full of them. Unlike them fakes my man is true Magyar and eastern as f...k :)

But, let's not do offtopic.

[Kelmendasi]

take a guess at what it will be?
I'm going to say some clade of R1a>Z280 as that has been found among people near the area that he is from

[Dick]

I'm going to say some clade of R1a>Z280 as that has been found among people near the area that he is from

That’s what I think too let’s make a bet

[Gründig]

Swabian and medieval Germans assimilants to Hungarian society, Hungary was full of them. Unlike them fakes my man is true Magyar and eastern as f...k :)

But, let's not do offtopic.

I figured something like that was the case.

[Jana]

I also feel he will be R1a. Let's see

[CommonSense]

MDLP K27 (as asked for by Krivich)


Nilotic-Omotic 0.11%
Ancestral-South-Indian 1.14%
North-European-Baltic 33.39%
Uralic 3.25%
Australo-Melanesian 0.33%
East-Siberian 0.00%
Ancestral-Yayoi 0.00%
Caucasian-Near-Eastern 20.94%
Tibeto-Burman 0.00%
Austronesian 0.12%
Central-African-Pygmean 0.00%
Central-African-Hunter-Gatherers 0.02%
Nilo-Saharan 0.00%
North-African 2.06%
Gedrosia-Caucasian 9.06%
Cushitic 0.00%
Congo-Pygmean 0.00%
Bushmen 0.26%
South-Meso-Amerindian 0.00%
South-West-European 18.23%
North-Amerindian 0.09%
Arabic 1.85%
North-Circumpolar 0.28%
Kalash 1.68%
Papuan-Australian 0.57%
Baltic-Finnic 6.63%
Bantu 0.00%

[Tschaikisten]

Congrats. Btw, MyOrigins are suck.

[CommonSense]

Which YDNA would you like to be ?

Honestly it doesn't matter, but I wouldn't like anything exotic.

[CommonSense]

Do you want me to post any other calculators?

[CommonSense]

DNA.LAND

https://i.imgur.com/SlIRMMo.png

[Thorfinn]

What exactly do you mean?
The Balkan mountains are not the most attractive place for the Mongols. And swamps of the Baltic too. Therefore, the Balkans and the Baltic States are real Europeans. But still, the inhabitants of the East, the Iranians somehow got to the Balkans. I wonder how?

[Jackson78]

Čestitam.

[Jana]

Do you want me to post any other calculators?

MDLP K16 modern

[CommonSense]

MDLP K16 Modern

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 30.66
2 Neolithic 24.41
3 NorthEastEuropean 23.11
4 Steppe 18.84
5 NearEast 1.17
6 Indian 0.91
7 SouthEastAsian 0.48
8 Australian 0.41

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian (Serbia) 4.08
2 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.41
3 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.48
4 Moldavian (Molodva) 4.63
5 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 4.64
6 Romanian (Apuseni) 4.67
7 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.79
8 Macedonian (Macedonia) 4.91
9 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 5.12
10 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 5.15
11 Croat (Croatia) 5.42
12 Romanian (Gorj) 5.82
13 Austrian (Austria) 7.1
14 Slovenian (Slovenia) 7.55
15 Cossack (Zaporozhie) 7.56
16 Romanian (Romania) 7.69
17 Hungarian (Budapest) 7.82
18 Italian (Friul) 8.33
19 Hungarian (Hungary) 8.42
20 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 8.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 19% Turk (Trabzon) @ 1.94
2 78.9% Dutch (Netherlands) + 21.1% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.22
3 64.4% Pole (EastPoland) + 35.6% Greek (Greece) @ 2.53
4 89.2% Croat (Croatia) + 10.8% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.58
5 88.4% Croat (Croatia) + 11.6% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.6
6 80.4% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 19.6% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.63
7 82.3% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 17.7% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.64
8 92.2% Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) + 7.8% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.72
9 80.1% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 19.9% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.76
10 88.4% Croat (Croatia) + 11.6% Georgians (Zugdidi) @ 2.77
11 79.6% Pole (EastPoland) + 20.4% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.78
12 88.5% Croat (Croatia) + 11.5% Abkhazian (Gudauta) @ 2.78
13 87.6% Croat (Croatia) + 12.4% Abkhazian_Lykhny (Lykhny) @ 2.79
14 55.5% Belarusian (Kobryn_Brest) + 44.5% Greek (Athens) @ 2.82
15 88.3% Croat (Croatia) + 11.7% Georgian (Georgia) @ 2.83
16 57.3% Pole (EastPoland) + 42.7% Greek (Macedonia) @ 2.83
17 88.7% Croat (Croatia) + 11.3% Abhkasian (Abkhasia) @ 2.83
18 90.6% Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) + 9.4% Adygei (Adygea) @ 2.84
19 70.9% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 29.1% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.85
20 91.3% Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) + 8.7% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.8

[Jana]

You are pred. Slavic, East Poles are purest Slavs and Greeks represent Paleo-Balkan people (except in Macedonia)

64.4% Pole (EastPoland) + 35.6% Greek (Greece) @ 2.53

[Pribislav]

I'm going to say some clade of R1a>Z280 as that has been found among people near the area that he is from

His paternal ancestors are from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bihać

Of R1a among Serbs from that area for now are found subranches Z280>Y2613 and M458>L1029.

[Tschaikisten]

You'll be J or E ;)

[Leto]

Do you want me to post any other calculators?
PuntDNAL K15

[CommonSense]

You are pred. Slavic, East Poles are purest Slavs and Greeks represent Paleo-Balkan people (except in Macedonia)

64.4% Pole (EastPoland) + 35.6% Greek (Greece) @ 2.53

Funnily enough, I even look like the combination above :D This two pop. estimate is just like my MyOrigins results.



You'll be J or E ;)

Who cares, I'm not like those shits on youtube who talk about Klyosov and think J and E or Turkish and North African haplogroups :picard2: I'm just hoping to figure out from which region my ancestors came to Bosnian Krajina.

[Tschaikisten]

Who cares, I'm not like those shits on youtube who talk about Klyosov and think J and E or Turkish and Albanian haplogroups :picard2: I'm just hoping to figure out from which region my ancestors came to Bosnian Krajina.

Of course, that's normal thinking.

[Leto]

Dodecad K12b, North European 39, it is under Serbian average 40. I think you have more Gedrosia, that is where that percent is lost, at least compared with my result.
He is only 28% Baltic on Eurogenes, I was expecting at least 30%. For us East Slavs anything under 42% or so is abnormal. I'm 45% myself.

[CommonSense]

PuntDNAL K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 48.02
2 Mediterranean 30.1
3 Caucasian 15.49
4 SW_Asian 3.29
5 E_Asian 0.93
6 Oceanian 0.74
7 S_African 0.53
8 Horn_Of_Africa 0.37
9 S_Indian 0.28
10 Omo_River 0.26
11 Beringian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 1.38
2 Bosnian 5.34
3 Croatian 5.99
4 Macedonian 6.5
5 South_German 7.05
6 French 7.13
7 Utahn_White 7.6
8 Hungarian 7.91
9 Romanian 8.12
10 Bulgarian 8.77
11 Irish 9.05
12 Austrian 9.07
13 Slovenian 9.12
14 English 10.04
15 Orcadian 10.3
16 Montenegrin 10.8
17 North_German 11.46
18 Scottish 11.63
19 Norwegian 13.17
20 Italian 13.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 99.6% Serbian + 0.4% San @ 1.27
2 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Melanesian @ 1.28
3 99.6% Serbian + 0.4% Japanese @ 1.3
4 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Filipino @ 1.3
5 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Vietnamese @ 1.31
6 99.7% Serbian + 0.3% Papuan @ 1.31
7 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Cambodian @ 1.31
8 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Singaporean @ 1.31
9 99.6% Serbian + 0.4% Chinese @ 1.32
10 99.6% Serbian + 0.4% Burmese @ 1.35
11 99.3% Serbian + 0.7% Balkar @ 1.35
12 99.4% Serbian + 0.6% North_Ossetian @ 1.36
13 99.6% Serbian + 0.4% Georgian @ 1.36
14 99.3% Serbian + 0.7% Nogai @ 1.36
15 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Abkhasian @ 1.36
16 99.4% Serbian + 0.6% Lezgin @ 1.36
17 99.4% Serbian + 0.6% Chechen @ 1.36
18 99.7% Serbian + 0.3% Pygmy @ 1.36
19 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Kumyk @ 1.36
20 99.6% Serbian + 0.4% Turk_Istanbul @ 1.37

[Pribislav]

The Balkan mountains are not the most attractive place for the Mongols. And swamps of the Baltic too. Therefore, the Balkans and the Baltic States are real Europeans. But still, the inhabitants of the East, the Iranians somehow got to the Balkans. I wonder how?

Yes.
Mountains of western Balkans (Dinaric Alps), Scadinavia is Sardinia are isolated places in Europe. Because of that those regions preserved paleo European genetic - I haplogroup.

[Leto]

Gedmatch works now, I made the mistake of uploading the wrong raw data file.

EUROGENES k13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.68
2 North_Atlantic 24.67
3 West_Med 17.62
4 East_Med 13.95
5 West_Asian 11.85
6 South_Asian 1.51
7 Oceanian 0.87
8 Amerindian 0.57
9 Siberian 0.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.8
2 Romanian 5.69
3 Moldavian 6.36
4 Bulgarian 7.52
5 Croatian 9.21
6 Hungarian 9.98
7 Austrian 13.06
8 East_German 14.33
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.6
10 Greek_Thessaly 16.1
11 South_Polish 16.37
12 Ukrainian 16.84
13 West_German 18.3
14 North_Italian 19
15 South_Dutch 19.86
16 French 19.88
17 Polish 19.95
18 Southwest_Russian 20.22
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.28
20 Tuscan 20.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.5% Romanian + 46.5% Moldavian @ 2.81
2 79.6% Moldavian + 20.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.96
3 55.1% Moldavian + 44.9% Bulgarian @ 2.96
4 55.9% Bulgarian + 44.1% Croatian @ 3.09
5 64.5% Romanian + 35.5% Croatian @ 3.12
6 83% Moldavian + 17% South_Italian @ 3.12
7 78.5% Moldavian + 21.5% Tuscan @ 3.13
8 81% Moldavian + 19% West_Sicilian @ 3.18
9 74.1% Moldavian + 25.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.18
10 80.5% Moldavian + 19.5% Central_Greek @ 3.19
11 77.9% Romanian + 22.1% Ukrainian @ 3.23
12 72.5% Croatian + 27.5% Central_Greek @ 3.26
13 76.6% Romanian + 23.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.26
14 75.9% Croatian + 24.1% South_Italian @ 3.32
15 70.5% Bulgarian + 29.5% South_Polish @ 3.39
16 69.5% Bulgarian + 30.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.42
17 81.2% Romanian + 18.8% Polish @ 3.44
18 77.9% Romanian + 22.1% South_Polish @ 3.44
19 71.9% Croatian + 28.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.45
20 81.8% Moldavian + 18.2% East_Sicilian @ 3.45
We usually get less than 10% West Med and less than 5% East Med.

[Leto]

PuntDNAL K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 48.02
2 Mediterranean 30.1
3 Caucasian 15.49
4 SW_Asian 3.29
5 E_Asian 0.93
6 Oceanian 0.74
7 S_African 0.53
8 Horn_Of_Africa 0.37
9 S_Indian 0.28
10 Omo_River 0.26
11 Beringian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 1.38
2 Bosnian 5.34
3 Croatian 5.99
4 Macedonian 6.5
5 South_German 7.05
6 French 7.13
7 Utahn_White 7.6
8 Hungarian 7.91
9 Romanian 8.12
10 Bulgarian 8.77
11 Irish 9.05
12 Austrian 9.07
13 Slovenian 9.12
14 English 10.04
15 Orcadian 10.3
16 Montenegrin 10.8
17 North_German 11.46
18 Scottish 11.63
19 Norwegian 13.17
20 Italian 13.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 99.6% Serbian + 0.4% San @ 1.27
2 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Melanesian @ 1.28
3 99.6% Serbian + 0.4% Japanese @ 1.3
4 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Filipino @ 1.3
5 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Vietnamese @ 1.31
6 99.7% Serbian + 0.3% Papuan @ 1.31
7 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Cambodian @ 1.31
8 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Singaporean @ 1.31
9 99.6% Serbian + 0.4% Chinese @ 1.32
10 99.6% Serbian + 0.4% Burmese @ 1.35
11 99.3% Serbian + 0.7% Balkar @ 1.35
12 99.4% Serbian + 0.6% North_Ossetian @ 1.36
13 99.6% Serbian + 0.4% Georgian @ 1.36
14 99.3% Serbian + 0.7% Nogai @ 1.36
15 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Abkhasian @ 1.36
16 99.4% Serbian + 0.6% Lezgin @ 1.36
17 99.4% Serbian + 0.6% Chechen @ 1.36
18 99.7% Serbian + 0.3% Pygmy @ 1.36
19 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Kumyk @ 1.36
20 99.6% Serbian + 0.4% Turk_Istanbul @ 1.37
Oh Lawd, it's EXTREMELY accurate for you! :eek::thumb001:

[CommonSense]

We usually get less than 10% West Med and less than 5% East Med.

We're about half-way between you and Mediterraneans proper.

[Dick]

PuntDNAL K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 48.02
2 Mediterranean 30.1
3 Caucasian 15.49
4 SW_Asian 3.29
5 E_Asian 0.93
6 Oceanian 0.74
7 S_African 0.53
8 Horn_Of_Africa 0.37
9 S_Indian 0.28
10 Omo_River 0.26
11 Beringian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 1.38
2 Bosnian 5.34
3 Croatian 5.99
4 Macedonian 6.5
5 South_German 7.05
6 French 7.13
7 Utahn_White 7.6
8 Hungarian 7.91
9 Romanian 8.12
10 Bulgarian 8.77
11 Irish 9.05
12 Austrian 9.07
13 Slovenian 9.12
14 English 10.04
15 Orcadian 10.3
16 Montenegrin 10.8
17 North_German 11.46
18 Scottish 11.63
19 Norwegian 13.17
20 Italian 13.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 99.6% Serbian + 0.4% San @ 1.27
2 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Melanesian @ 1.28
3 99.6% Serbian + 0.4% Japanese @ 1.3
4 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Filipino @ 1.3
5 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Vietnamese @ 1.31
6 99.7% Serbian + 0.3% Papuan @ 1.31
7 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Cambodian @ 1.31
8 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Singaporean @ 1.31
9 99.6% Serbian + 0.4% Chinese @ 1.32
10 99.6% Serbian + 0.4% Burmese @ 1.35
11 99.3% Serbian + 0.7% Balkar @ 1.35
12 99.4% Serbian + 0.6% North_Ossetian @ 1.36
13 99.6% Serbian + 0.4% Georgian @ 1.36
14 99.3% Serbian + 0.7% Nogai @ 1.36
15 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Abkhasian @ 1.36
16 99.4% Serbian + 0.6% Lezgin @ 1.36
17 99.4% Serbian + 0.6% Chechen @ 1.36
18 99.7% Serbian + 0.3% Pygmy @ 1.36
19 99.5% Serbian + 0.5% Kumyk @ 1.36
20 99.6% Serbian + 0.4% Turk_Istanbul @ 1.37

Punt is good. What about his k13

[Jackson78]

You'll be J or E ;)

Or maybe even R1b-BY611.

[CommonSense]

Oh Lawd, it's EXTREMELY accurate for you! :eek::thumb001:

Yeah, other than the bizarre 0,3-0,6% admix they can't determine if it's Pygmy, Chinese or Georgian xD xD xD

Anyway, if everyone in the Balkans took these tests, it would be much less volatile place than it is right now and the pseudoscientists and demagouges would be put out of business.

[CommonSense]

Punt is good. What about his k13

puntDNAL k13 or Eurogenes k13?

[Tschaikisten]

Or maybe even R1b-BY611.

Well, from today perspective I'll rather be it with profiled matches than to be for example modal I2-PH908 or E-V13.

[Moje ime]

He is only 28% Baltic on Eurogenes, I was expecting at least 30%. For us East Slavs anything under 42% or so is abnormal. I'm 45% myself.

You talk about K13 eurogenes?

He has:

1 Baltic 28.68
2 North_Atlantic 24.67

and this is my result:

North_Atlantic 29.33
Baltic 27.80

How much north atlantic East Slavs get?

[Dick]

puntDNAL k13 or Eurogenes k13?

Punt

[rein]

You talk about K13 eurogenes?

He has:

1 Baltic 28.68
2 North_Atlantic 24.67

and this is my result:

North_Atlantic 29.33
Baltic 27.80

How much north atlantic East Slavs get?

They usually have somewhere between 45-50% Baltic and 25-30% North Atlantic.

[Bosniensis]

You talk about K13 eurogenes?

He has:

1 Baltic 28.68
2 North_Atlantic 24.67

and this is my result:

North_Atlantic 29.33
Baltic 27.80

How much north atlantic East Slavs get?

mine is similart to CommonSense's
1 Baltic 28.79
2 North_Atlantic 25.08

yours a bit off.. xD

[Dick]

mine is similart to CommonSense's
1 Baltic 28.79
2 North_Atlantic 25.08

yours a bit off.. xD

So is yours

Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.1
2 North_Atlantic 27.06

[CommonSense]

Punt

puntDNAL k13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 40.8
2 SW_Europe 31.11
3 West_Asia 16.19
4 SW_Asia 7.02
5 SE_Asia 1.29
6 Oceania 1.1
7 NE_Asia 0.87
8 South_Asia 0.73
9 South_Africa 0.59
10 Siberia 0.2
11 Americas 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian 3.75
2 Moldavian 4.33
3 Serbian 4.48
4 Croatian 5.8
5 Montenegrin 6.33
6 Romanian 6.87
7 Hungarian 7.37
8 Slovene 7.49
9 Slovak 8.63
10 Macedonian 9.13
11 Bulgarian 9.14
12 German_South 9.89
13 Belgian 10.95
14 English 11.01
15 French 11.26
16 Scottish 11.74
17 Orcadian 12.27
18 Irish 12.41
19 German_North 12.58
20 Utahn_European 12.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.6% Bosnian + 4.4% Thai @ 1.95
2 95.8% Bosnian + 4.2% Cambodian @ 2.03
3 96.1% Bosnian + 3.9% Malayan @ 2.08
4 96.2% Bosnian + 3.8% Visayan @ 2.11
5 96% Bosnian + 4% Burmese @ 2.2
6 92.8% Bosnian + 7.2% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 2.27
7 83.1% Slovene + 16.9% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.28
8 96.4% Bosnian + 3.6% Filipino @ 2.28
9 96.3% Bosnian + 3.7% Vietnamese @ 2.28
10 96.5% Bosnian + 3.5% Luzon @ 2.28
11 81.8% Slovene + 18.2% Turkish @ 2.3
12 96.4% Bosnian + 3.6% Dai @ 2.32
13 96.4% Bosnian + 3.6% Lahu @ 2.34
14 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Dusun @ 2.35
15 94.2% Bosnian + 5.8% Afghan_Hazara @ 2.35
16 72.2% German_North + 27.8% Turkish @ 2.37
17 84.4% Slovene + 15.6% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.38
18 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Murut @ 2.39
19 81.5% Hungarian + 18.5% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.41
20 92.5% Bosnian + 7.5% Tadjik @ 2.43

[Bosniensis]

puntDNAL k13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 40.8
2 SW_Europe 31.11
3 West_Asia 16.19
4 SW_Asia 7.02
5 SE_Asia 1.29
6 Oceania 1.1
7 NE_Asia 0.87
8 South_Asia 0.73
9 South_Africa 0.59
10 Siberia 0.2
11 Americas 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian 3.75
2 Moldavian 4.33
3 Serbian 4.48
4 Croatian 5.8
5 Montenegrin 6.33
6 Romanian 6.87
7 Hungarian 7.37
8 Slovene 7.49
9 Slovak 8.63
10 Macedonian 9.13
11 Bulgarian 9.14
12 German_South 9.89
13 Belgian 10.95
14 English 11.01
15 French 11.26
16 Scottish 11.74
17 Orcadian 12.27
18 Irish 12.41
19 German_North 12.58
20 Utahn_European 12.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.6% Bosnian + 4.4% Thai @ 1.95
2 95.8% Bosnian + 4.2% Cambodian @ 2.03
3 96.1% Bosnian + 3.9% Malayan @ 2.08
4 96.2% Bosnian + 3.8% Visayan @ 2.11
5 96% Bosnian + 4% Burmese @ 2.2
6 92.8% Bosnian + 7.2% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 2.27
7 83.1% Slovene + 16.9% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.28
8 96.4% Bosnian + 3.6% Filipino @ 2.28
9 96.3% Bosnian + 3.7% Vietnamese @ 2.28
10 96.5% Bosnian + 3.5% Luzon @ 2.28
11 81.8% Slovene + 18.2% Turkish @ 2.3
12 96.4% Bosnian + 3.6% Dai @ 2.32
13 96.4% Bosnian + 3.6% Lahu @ 2.34
14 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Dusun @ 2.35
15 94.2% Bosnian + 5.8% Afghan_Hazara @ 2.35
16 72.2% German_North + 27.8% Turkish @ 2.37
17 84.4% Slovene + 15.6% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.38
18 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Murut @ 2.39
19 81.5% Hungarian + 18.5% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.41
20 92.5% Bosnian + 7.5% Tadjik @ 2.43

We have identical first four

1 Bosnian 3.32
2 Moldavian 3.67
3 Serbian 4.66
4 Croatian 4.68

xD

[Moje ime]

my punt k13 for comparision


1 NE_Europe 42.19
2 SW_Europe 32.22
3 West_Asia 15.28

1 Bosnian 2.35
2 Moldavian 3.85
3 Croatian 3.98
4 Serbian 4.64

I have shortest distance to Bosnian match :D

[CommonSense]

We have identical first four

1 Bosnian 3.32
2 Moldavian 3.67
3 Serbian 4.66
4 Croatian 4.68

xD

Ipak nismo toliko različiti. Bilo bi sumanuto s obzirom da vodimo poreklo iz istog mesta :D

[Karol Klačansky]

Ovaj Srbin iz Like je dobio 80% EE
https://i.imgur.com/sfKQmmy.png

can u share this serbs Gedmatch?

[Leto]

Ordered the test on August 6th, received it on August 21st. They batched in on September 5th and I received the results today. Overall, fairly quick.
My brother-in-law's kit is on the way to the lab right now. Hopefully it will be batched next week. I'll post the results, he is fully Russian from Central Russia.

[Thorfinn]

Yes.
Mountains of western Balkans (Dinaric Alps), Scadinavia is Sardinia are isolated places in Europe. Because of that those regions preserved paleo European genetic - I haplogroup.
But Iranians love mountains. 4.5% is not a joke.
https://preview.ibb.co/gzPLRp/6389601163_d6a9b013e7_o_L.jpg (https://ibb.co/nevie9)

[Napoleon]

Romanias on FTDNA score up to 60% East Europe, others 0%.

FTDNA goes furter back like ancestrydna so it usually picks up more East Euro compared to 23andme, DNA land etc.

[Pribislav]

can u share this serbs Gedmatch?

Maybe user The Devil's Advocate can help you. He know that guy personaly, I think.

I only found this on one Serbian forum.

[CommonSense]

But Iranians love mountains. 4.5% is not a joke.
https://preview.ibb.co/gzPLRp/6389601163_d6a9b013e7_o_L.jpg (https://ibb.co/nevie9)

Decius also scored 4% Iranian btw

[Moje ime]

But Iranians love mountains. 4.5% is not a joke.


That is CommonSense result in K47 not Serbian average. I get Iranian 1.85%

[Thorfinn]

Decius also scored 4% Iranian btw
I got 0% of Iranian, but 1.36% of Urals.
https://preview.ibb.co/hqLBj9/109.jpg (https://ibb.co/fJkcP9)
But this is understandable. But it's not known how the genes of modern Iranians got to the Balkans.

[Moje ime]

But it's not known how the genes of modern Iranians got to the Balkans.

Like this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ283N_ZdKY

[Thorfinn]

...

[Bosniensis]

People wonder about Slavic words in Sanskirt, and then they wonder about Iranian % among the Slavs.

From India with Love.

https://www.jatland.com/w/images/thumb/b/b9/Indo-ScythiansMap.jpg/300px-Indo-ScythiansMap.jpg

[Thorfinn]

Like this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ283N_ZdKY
I do not think so. Proxy genetics of modern Iranians.

[CommonSense]

I got 0% of Iranian, but 1.36% of Urals.
https://preview.ibb.co/hqLBj9/109.jpg (https://ibb.co/fJkcP9)
But this is understandable. But it's not known how the genes of modern Iranians got to the Balkans.

One Hungarian guy who posted his k47 on theapricity scored more than me. Impaler (Romanian) even scored a whooping 12%. Like I said, it must be linked to steppe ancestry.

Though it's just one calculator. And regarding Iranic admix it gives people from the same ethnicity completely different results...I'm not sure how reliable it is when all is said and done.

[Dick]

Can you post punt k10 ancient and k12 modern

[CommonSense]

puntDNAL K12 Ancient Oracle results:
puntDNAL K12 Ancient Oracle


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_HG 35.27
2 Anatolian_NF 33.41
3 Caucasus_HG 24.39
4 Near_East 3.09
5 East_Asian 1.73
6 Beringian 0.69
7 Oceanian 0.64
8 Amerindian 0.56
9 South_Asian 0.15
10 Sub-Saharan 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 6.03
2 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 6.67
3 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 7.78
4 Unetice_EBA_I0117 8.08
5 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 9.09
6 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 9.21
7 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 11.15
8 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 11.18
9 Srubnaya_I0430 11.74
10 Potapovka_I0419 12.24
11 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 14.66
12 Srubnaya_I0232 15.69
13 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103 15.96
14 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 16.52
15 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104 17.3
16 Sintashta_MBA_RISE395 17.69
17 Andronovo_SG_RISE505 17.71
18 Vatya_SG_RISE479 17.87
19 Hungary_BA_I1502 18.82
20 Scythian_IA_I0247 24.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.1% Hungary_BA_I1502 + 20.9% Kotias_Kide_KK @ 2.07
2 81.3% Hungary_BA_I1502 + 18.7% Satsurblia_SATP @ 2.09
3 69.4% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 30.6% Iberia_EN_I0412 @ 2.43
4 78.6% BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 + 21.4% Hungary_CA_I1497 @ 2.44
5 74.4% Srubnaya_I0430 + 25.6% Iceman_MN_SG @ 2.45
6 79.6% BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 + 20.4% Epserstedt_MN_I0172 @ 2.51
7 79.3% BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 + 20.7% Baalberge_MN_I0560 @ 2.51
8 68.2% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 31.8% Hungary_EN_I0495 @ 2.52
9 70.8% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 29.2% Stuttgart_SG @ 2.52
10 76.3% Srubnaya_I0430 + 23.7% Iberia_EN_I0412 @ 2.52
11 81.4% BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 + 18.6% Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489 @ 2.54
12 77.5% Srubnaya_I0430 + 22.5% Stuttgart_SG @ 2.55
13 75.4% Srubnaya_I0430 + 24.6% Hungary_EN_I0495 @ 2.57
14 67.2% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 32.8% Iceman_MN_SG @ 2.58
15 79.5% BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 + 20.5% Iberia_M_ I0406 @ 2.59
16 80.8% BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 + 19.2% Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300 @ 2.62
17 70.1% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 29.9% LBK_EN_I0054 @ 2.65
18 76.9% Srubnaya_I0430 + 23.1% LBK_EN_I0054 @ 2.68
19 79.9% BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 + 20.1% Hungary_EN_I0495 @ 2.72
20 82.1% Vatya_SG_RISE479 + 17.9% Satsurblia_SATP @ 2.73

[Jana]

It is not big deal, Stears score 4.36 % Iranian, and more Uralic than Thorfinn :D

[Moje ime]

I do not think so. Proxy genetics of modern Iranians.

It is one shared ancestor. The same as modern Irish and modern Serbs get Celtic admixture percent because both have one shared ancestor.

[CommonSense]

puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle results:
puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_HG 35.27
2 Anatolian_NF 33.41
3 Caucasus_HG 24.39
4 Near_East 3.09
5 East_Asian 1.73
6 Beringian 0.69
7 Oceanian 0.64
8 Amerindian 0.56
9 South_Asian 0.15
10 Sub-Saharan 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.04
2 Romanian 5.5
3 Dutch_South 6.14
4 Bulgarian 6.85
5 Hungarian 7.18
6 Belgian 7.43
7 Utahn_European 8.38
8 German_South 8.42
9 English_South 9.83
10 Dutch_North 10.75
11 French 10.88
12 Irish 10.9
13 German_North 11.44
14 Czech 11.61
15 Scottish_West 12.78
16 Albanian 12.84
17 Norwegian 13.86
18 Greek 14.32
19 Italian_Bergamo 14.91
20 Swedish 15.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80% Dutch_South + 20% Turkish_Aydin @ 1.76
2 75.4% Irish + 24.6% Turkish_Kayseri @ 1.84
3 78.6% Utahn_European + 21.4% Kumyk @ 1.97
4 87.4% Dutch_South + 12.6% Georgian_Jew @ 1.98
5 83.5% Dutch_South + 16.5% Turkish @ 1.99
6 85% Dutch_South + 15% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2
7 79.8% English_South + 20.2% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.02
8 86.2% Dutch_South + 13.8% Assyrian @ 2.08
9 80.7% English_South + 19.3% Georgian_Jew @ 2.09
10 72.3% Scottish_West + 27.7% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.09
11 87.2% Dutch_South + 12.8% Iranian_Jew @ 2.11
12 77.4% English_South + 22.6% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.12
13 70.6% Norwegian + 29.4% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.12
14 78% Irish + 22% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.16
15 77.9% Irish + 22.1% Armenian @ 2.17
16 78.8% English_South + 21.2% Laz @ 2.17
17 87.8% Dutch_South + 12.2% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.19
18 86.9% Dutch_South + 13.1% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.21
19 77% Irish + 23% Laz @ 2.21
20 81.2% Utahn_European + 18.8% North_Ossetian @ 2.25

[Dick]

There were Celtic settlements on teritory of modern Serbia before official Slavic settlements in 6th century.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scordisci

puntDNAL K10 Ancient. pure illyrian as bosniensis would probably say

60.2% Irish + 39.8% Greek @ 0.93
59.2% Irish + 40.8% Albanian @ 1.29

[Thorfinn]

One Hungarian guy who posted his k47 on theapricity scored more than me. Impaler (Romanian) even scored a whooping 12%. Like I said, it must be linked to steppe ancestry.

Though it's just one calculator. And regarding Iranic admix it gives people from the same ethnicity completely different results...I'm not sure how reliable it is when all is said and done.
Yes, it is a noise from the surplus of the Middle East in Europeans. The Northeast(the Circumbaltica) zone has more ANE and corresponding additions.

[CommonSense]

puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle results:
puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 WHG 40.22
2 ENF 28.12
3 CHG 27.58
4 Beringian 1.29
5 ASI 1.03
6 Oceanian 0.89
7 Siberian 0.45
8 E_Asian 0.41

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 4.58
2 Croatian 4.71
3 German_South 6.69
4 Bulgarian 6.75
5 Irish 6.96
6 Utahn_white 7.18
7 French 8.53
8 English_South 8.77
9 German_North 9.71
10 Czech 10.57
11 Scottish_West 12.17
12 Italian_North 12.97
13 Ukrainian 13.07
14 Albanian 14.05
15 Greek 14.45
16 Norwegian 14.92
17 Icelandic 15.82
18 Tuscan 16.3
19 Spanish_Northeast 16.82
20 Mordovian 17.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.8% Czech + 21.2% Armenian @ 1.07
2 74.7% Norwegian + 25.3% Iraqi_Jew @ 1.07
3 72.4% Norwegian + 27.6% Assyrian @ 1.09
4 86.5% Croatian + 13.5% Kumyk @ 1.24
5 90.3% Croatian + 9.7% Abkhasian @ 1.32
6 88.2% Croatian + 11.8% North_Ossetian @ 1.35
7 90.2% Croatian + 9.8% Georgian @ 1.35
8 81.9% English_South + 18.1% Armenian @ 1.39
9 89.6% Croatian + 10.4% Iranian @ 1.39
10 66.3% Bulgarian + 33.7% Ukrainian @ 1.42
11 65.1% Belarusian + 34.9% Cypriot @ 1.43
12 75.2% Czech + 24.8% Turkish_Kayseri @ 1.46
13 86.8% Croatian + 13.2% Chechen @ 1.5
14 77.8% Czech + 22.2% Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.5
15 78.7% English_South + 21.3% Turkish_Kayseri @ 1.53
16 80.9% English_South + 19.1% Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.53
17 73.5% Bulgarian + 26.5% Belarusian @ 1.57
18 78.9% Czech + 21.1% Assyrian @ 1.58
19 78.3% Bulgarian + 21.7% Lithuanian @ 1.58
20 72.4% Ukrainian + 27.6% Cypriot @ 1.61

[Bosniensis]

puntDNAL K10 Ancient. pure illyrian as bosniensis would probably say

60.2% Irish + 39.8% Greek @ 0.93
59.2% Irish + 40.8% Albanian @ 1.29

We all have those results.

Albanians are Illyrians.

We are Sclaveni from Steppe jungles.

[Moje ime]

puntDNAL K10 Ancient. pure illyrian as bosniensis would probably say

60.2% Irish + 39.8% Greek @ 0.93
59.2% Irish + 40.8% Albanian @ 1.29

Is that your result?

[Dick]

Is that your result?

yeah

[CommonSense]

I guess based on all of these calculators that I'm Slav (mostly) + Vlach + minor Scytho-Sarmatian :)

[Moje ime]

We all have those results.

Albanians are Illyrians.

We are Sclaveni from Steppe jungles.

We are BOTH

[CommonSense]

More:

Eurasia K3 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 96.40
2 E_Eurasian 3.60


Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Hungarian @ 0.000000
2 Lithuanian @ 0.000000
3 Norwegian @ 0.930143
4 Bulgarian @ 0.941926
5 Ukrainian @ 0.959403
6 Czech @ 1.280494
7 Croatian @ 1.364796
8 Georgian @ 1.475235
9 Belarusian @ 1.881848
10 Albanian @ 2.152461
11 French @ 2.195857
12 Greek @ 2.465032
13 Estonian @ 2.545537
14 Armenian @ 2.672213
15 English @ 2.697719
16 Abkhasian @ 3.105858
17 Spanish @ 3.325317
18 French_South @ 3.487383
19 Loschbour @ 3.565473
20 Bergamo @ 3.761872

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian +50% Croatian @ 0.000000
2 50% Belarusian +50% Czech @ 0.000000
3 50% Belarusian +50% French @ 0.000000
4 50% Croatian +50% Ukrainian @ 0.000000
5 50% Czech +50% Ukrainian @ 0.000000
6 50% English +50% Estonian @ 0.000000
7 50% Estonian +50% French @ 0.000000
8 50% Hungarian +50% Hungarian @ 0.000000
9 50% Hungarian +50% Lithuanian @ 0.000000
10 50% Lithuanian +50% Lithuanian @ 0.000000
11 50% Norwegian +50% Ukrainian @ 0.000000
12 50% French_South +50% Loschbour @ 0.299300
13 50% Bergamo +50% Loschbour @ 0.300550
14 50% Albanian +50% Belarusian @ 0.352750
15 50% Lithuanian +50% Norwegian @ 0.399562
16 50% Belarusian +50% English @ 0.410082
17 50% English +50% Loschbour @ 0.437658
18 50% Bulgarian +50% Lithuanian @ 0.441867
19 50% Abkhasian +50% English @ 0.458546
20 50% Hungarian +50% Norwegian @ 0.464863

[Dukagjini]

Did u post k15?

[Bosniensis]

We are BOTH

Paternally we are from Poland, Albanians are Paternally from Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia and Albania.

We are technically living on their territory we conquered in 6th century.

We are Illyrians in that % we mixed with their wives we captured initially.

Constantine the Great was Albanian

Diocletian was Albanian

City of Naissus (Niš) was Albanian city

Albania was up to Austria back then.

We came from Ukraine and Poland and massacred those Bosnian, Serbian Albanians (Illyrians)

[CommonSense]

HarappaWorld Oracle results:
23 April 2013 - Oracle reference population percentages revised.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 40.71
2 Mediterranean 24
3 Caucasian 20.33
4 Baloch 9.31
5 SW-Asian 3.07
6 Papuan 0.7
7 Siberian 0.64
8 S-Indian 0.55
9 SE-Asian 0.43
10 NE-Asian 0.17
11 Beringian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 romanian-a (behar) 7.26
2 hungarian (behar) 9.25
3 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 9.6
4 slovenian (xing) 10.86
5 french (hgdp) 15.21
6 italian (hgdp) 16.94
7 n-european (xing) 17.48
8 utahn-white (1000genomes) 18.22
9 utahn-white (hapmap) 18.7
10 ukranian (yunusbayev) 18.86
11 tuscan (hapmap) 19.31
12 tuscan (hgdp) 19.33
13 tuscan (1000genomes) 19.54
14 british (1000genomes) 20.07
15 orcadian (hgdp) 22.26
16 spaniard (behar) 22.36
17 spaniard (1000genomes) 23.63
18 mordovian (yunusbayev) 24.28
19 belorussian (behar) 24.9
20 russian (behar) 25.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.9% n-european (xing) + 26.1% armenian (behar) @ 1.98
2 76.4% romanian-a (behar) + 23.6% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.46
3 75.7% n-european (xing) + 24.3% georgian (harappa) @ 2.48
4 73.2% romanian-a (behar) + 26.8% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 2.53
5 81.8% hungarian (behar) + 18.2% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 2.6
6 81.1% hungarian (behar) + 18.9% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 2.7
7 71.9% romanian-a (behar) + 28.1% n-european (xing) @ 2.7
8 82.4% hungarian (behar) + 17.6% turkish (harappa) @ 2.71
9 70.6% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 29.4% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.72
10 72.8% romanian-a (behar) + 27.2% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.74
11 82.1% hungarian (behar) + 17.9% turk (behar) @ 2.76
12 74.8% romanian-a (behar) + 25.2% british (1000genomes) @ 2.77
13 77.6% n-european (xing) + 22.4% georgian (behar) @ 2.8
14 68.8% n-european (xing) + 31.2% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 2.85
15 70.1% n-european (xing) + 29.9% turk (behar) @ 2.86
16 84.8% hungarian (behar) + 15.2% armenian (behar) @ 2.89
17 85.2% hungarian (behar) + 14.8% assyrian (harappa) @ 2.91
18 85.3% hungarian (behar) + 14.7% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 2.92
19 66.9% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 33.1% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 2.92
20 78.1% hungarian (behar) + 21.9% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.93

[Dick]

We all have those results.

Albanians are Illyrians.

We are Sclaveni from Steppe jungles.

Rome shall rise again.

[CommonSense]

Did u post k15?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?260317-CommonSense-s-FTDNA-results-are-in!!&p=5454568&viewfull=1#post5454568

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?260317-CommonSense-s-FTDNA-results-are-in!!&p=5454386&viewfull=1#post5454386

Edit: Not sure which k15 you meant, so here's both

[Moje ime]

Paternally we are from Poland, Albanians are Paternally from Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia and Albania.

We are technically living on their territory we conquered in 6th century.

We are Illyrians in that % we mixed with their wives we captured initially.

Constantine the Great was Albanian

Diocletian was Albanian

City of Naissus (Niš) was Albanian city

Albania was up to Austria back then.

We came from Ukraine and Poland and massacred those Bosnian, Serbian Albanians (Illyrians)

Do you take drugs?

[CommonSense]

Do you take drugs?

Decius shared his drink and weed with him :)

[Bosniensis]

Do you take drugs?

No. That's what Dick and Devil's Advocate told me.

We came here in 6th century and captured those territory we live in.

That's what Albanians claim as well.

What is the problem?

Either we are Illyrians or Albanians, someone is lying.

If we are East Slavs then Albanians are Right.

[Dick]

No. That's what Dick and Devil's Advocate told me.

We came here in 6th century and captured those territory we live in.

That's what Albanians claim as well.

What is the problem?

When did I tell you this?

[Dukagjini]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?260317-CommonSense-s-FTDNA-results-are-in!!&p=5454568&viewfull=1#post5454568

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?260317-CommonSense-s-FTDNA-results-are-in!!&p=5454386&viewfull=1#post5454386

Edit: Not sure which k15 you meant, so here's both

my bad I meant eurogenes k15, anyway your very slavic serb. I wonder what the average is for a serb between south europe + east europe genes.

[Jana]

Paternally we are from Poland, Albanians are Paternally from Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia and Albania.

We are technically living on their territory we conquered in 6th century.

We are Illyrians in that % we mixed with their wives we captured initially.

Constantine the Great was Albanian

Diocletian was Albanian

City of Naissus (Niš) was Albanian city

Albania was up to Austria back then.

We came from Ukraine and Poland and massacred those Bosnian, Serbian Albanians (Illyrians)

Words of wisdom.

:cool:

[Bosniensis]

When did I tell you this?

You told me that we originate in Ukraine.

Greek Bibliotheca, Greeks and pretty much every single scroll about Illyrians claim they originated on Western Balkans.

If we came from Belarus, Ukraine and Poland then Albanians are infamous Illyrians and entire Illyrian history belongs to them.

That's why Haradinaj said that city of Niš was Ancient Albanian city conquered by Slavs from Poland.

[Dick]

You told me that we originate in Ukraine.

Greek Bibliotheca, Greeks and pretty much every single scroll about Illyrians claim they originated on Western Balkans.

If we came from Belarus, Ukraine and Poland then Albanians are infamous Illyrians and entire Illyrian history belongs to them.

That's why Haradinaj said that city of Niš was Ancient Albanian city conquered by Slavs from Poland.

I didn't have a convo with you about this at all you lying islamizd cuck. take your meds

[Moje ime]

No. That's what Dick and Devil's Advocate told me.

We came here in 6th century and captured those territory we live in.

That's what Albanians claim as well.

What is the problem?

The problem is that you and them never mention that we as Slavs got official allowance to settle here from Byzantine ruler. I don't know the name but I'm sure you know better.

Also we are not the only one who came to this teritory. They also came here in certain moment in history.

[CommonSense]

my bad I meant eurogenes k15, anyway your very slavic serb. I wonder what the average is for a serb between south europe + east europe genes.

No idea, the calculators aren't all designed the same so they give out various data that is inconclusive by itself. Acording to DNA land, I'm 30% Northeastern European, but I'm not sure how accurate that is, honestly:

https://i.imgur.com/SlIRMMo.png

[Bosniensis]

It's interesting how all South Slavs are flaming Slavs and who deny Illyrian Latin history ... and then when you promote Albanian Illyrian theory as alternative everyone jumps on you.

If you agree that your ancestors are Poles and Ukrainians who came in 6th century, what is the problem to say: "We captured Belgrade, Nis, Bosnia, Dalmatia etc.. from Albanians"

You can't have both worlds.

[Moje ime]

It's interesting how all South Slavs are flaming Slavs and who deny Illyrian Latin history ... and then when you promote Albanian Illyrian theory as alternative everyone jumps on you.

If you agree that your ancestors are Poles and Ukrainians who came in 6th century, what is the problem to say: "We captured Belgrade, Nis, Bosnia, Dalmatia etc.. from Albanians"

You can't have both worlds.

Because there was no Albanians. Easy as that.

[Dukagjini]

No idea, the calculators aren't all designed the same so they give out various data that is inconclusive by itself. Acording to DNA land, I'm 30% Northeastern European, but I'm not sure how accurate that is, honestly:

https://i.imgur.com/SlIRMMo.png

Yea it's weird and what exactly is defined by balkan in DNA.LAND, every company has their own take/spin, and are don't want to come across too detailed so they keep things newb friendly.

[Jana]

No idea, the calculators aren't all designed the same so they give out various data that is inconclusive by itself. Acording to DNA land, I'm 30% Northeastern European, but I'm not sure how accurate that is, honestly:

https://i.imgur.com/SlIRMMo.png

Bulgarians, who are 40% NE European are among reference samples for Balkan componenet, so it is less accurate than FTDNA, where only Southern Europeans are used.

Btw, ''North Slavic'' is mislabeled component, it peaks in Balts and Estonians.

[Bosniensis]

Because there was no Albanians. Easy as that.

They were Illyrians, Albania (as a word) descend from one Illyrian tribe in the south called Albanoi


The Albanoi (Ancient Greek: Ἀλβανοί, Albanoi; Albanian: Albanët) or Albani were an Illyrian tribe whose first historical account appears in a work of Ptolemy in addition to a town called Albanopolis (Ἀλβανόπολις) located east of the Ionian sea, in modern-day Albania.

They say they are surviving Illyrians while we murdered most of others.

[Jana]

It's interesting how all South Slavs are flaming Slavs and who deny Illyrian Latin history ... and then when you promote Albanian Illyrian theory as alternative everyone jumps on you.

If you agree that your ancestors are Poles and Ukrainians who came in 6th century, what is the problem to say: "We captured Belgrade, Nis, Bosnia, Dalmatia etc.. from Albanians"

You can't have both worlds.

Albanians are descendend from Illyrians, but Illyrians were not Albanians. And, Albanians descend from non Romanized Illyrians (and Thracians), while those who south slavs encountered were mostly Romanized, it seems.

[Moje ime]

They were Illyrians, Albania (as a word) descend from one Illyrian tribe in the south called Albanoi


The Albanoi (Ancient Greek: Ἀλβανοί, Albanoi; Albanian: Albanët) or Albani were an Illyrian tribe whose first historical account appears in a work of Ptolemy in addition to a town called Albanopolis (Ἀλβανόπολις) located east of the Ionian sea, in modern-day Albania.

They say they are surviving Illyrians while we murdered most of others.

You didn't answer to my previous comment/question also answer me how many Illyrians and other Paleo Balkans were here and how many Slavs come here in 6 century?

[Kelmendasi]

His paternal ancestors are from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bihać

Of R1a among Serbs from that area for now are found subranches Z280>Y2613 and M458>L1029.
Yh I saw on the Serbian DNA project that they were all R1a

[CommonSense]

Albanians are descendend from Illyrians, but Illyrians were not Albanians. And, Albanians descend from non Romanized Illyrians (and Thracians), while those who south slavs encountered were mostly Romanized, it seems.

Indeed, on austosomal DNA tests I don't cluster with Albanians at all even though I have a lot of paleo-Balkan ancestry like all South Slavs.

[Bosniensis]

You didn't answer to my previous comment/question also answer me how many Illyrians and other Paleo Balkans were here and how many Slavs come here in 6 century?

According to Albanians and Pan-Slavic theorists, we came and murdered entire Western Balkans, that is the only way our I2 haplogroup became so strong against Illyrian E1-V13

They say that I2 CTS 10228 became so dominant on Balkans because of massive genocide against Illyrians and that we basically resettled it from 0, and that those 10-15% EV13 across western balkans are remaining survivors of Illyrians.

We murdered about 1.000.000+ Illyrians and replaced Sirmium, Singidunum, Virminacum, Solin, and many other cities with our population and soldiers.

Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia had about 200-300 thousand of people.

The remenants of those people are those 10-15% E1b-V13 people, while I2 came from Poland, Ukraine and Belarus.

Many Illyrians were Romans, they were Romanized while others were speaking their own language.

[IncelSlayer]

I didn't have a convo with you about this at all you lying islamizd cuck. take your meds

He is only insecure because he doesn't look yugo at all, but instead his albo % made him look like the plank from Ed Edd 'n Eddy

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/edwikia/images/d/d8/Jonny_and_Plank_Staring_Contest1.png/revision/latest?cb=20170119022917

[Moje ime]

According to Albanians and Pan-Slavic theorists, we came and murdered entire Western Balkans, that is the only way our I2 haplogroup became so strong against Illyrian E1-V13

They say that I2 CTS 10228 became so dominant on Balkans because of massive genocide against Illyrians and that we basically resettled it from 0, and that those 10-15% EV13 across western balkans are remaining survivors of Illyrians.

We murdered about 1.000.000+ Illyrians and replaced Sirmium, Singidunum, Virminacum, Solin, and many other cities with our population and soldiers.

Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia had about 200-300 thousand of people.

The remenants of those people are those 10-15% E1b-V13 people, while I2 came from Poland, Ukraine and Belarus.

I don't care. I know that Byzantine ruler from 6th century allowed Slavs to settle here. We spoke about it here on forum. What is his name?

[Kelmendasi]

According to Albanians and Pan-Slavic theorists, we came and murdered entire Western Balkans, that is the only way our I2 haplogroup became so strong against Illyrian E1-V13

They say that I2 CTS 10228 became so dominant on Balkans because of massive genocide against Illyrians and that we basically resettled it from 0, and that those 10-15% EV13 across western balkans are remaining survivors of Illyrians.

We murdered about 1.000.000+ Illyrians and replaced Sirmium, Singidunum, Virminacum, Solin, and many other cities with our population and soldiers.

Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia had about 200-300 thousand of people.

The remenants of those people are those 10-15% E1b-V13 people, while I2 came from Poland, Ukraine and Belarus.
Lol nobody says I2a1b in the Balkans is so high because of the slaughter of Illyrians. It's because of founder effect, simply put, the Slavs that had I2a1b had more sons than their counterparts which had other haplos so I2a1b became more common. I bet that R1a was higher originally among the Slavs that invaded.

[CommonSense]

According to Albanians and Pan-Slavic theorists, we came and murdered entire Western Balkans, that is the only way our I2 haplogroup became so strong against Illyrian E1-V13

They say that I2 CTS 10228 became so dominant on Balkans because of massive genocide against Illyrians and that we basically resettled it from 0, and that those 10-15% EV13 across western balkans are remaining survivors of Illyrians.

We murdered about 1.000.000+ Illyrians and replaced Sirmium, Singidunum, Virminacum, Solin, and many other cities with our population and soldiers.

Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia had about 200-300 thousand of people.

The remenants of those people are those 10-15% E1b-V13 people, while I2 came from Poland, Ukraine and Belarus.

Many Illyrians were Romans, they were Romanized while others were speaking their own language.

It was the Huns, Avars and Germanics who slaughtered and pillaged here for centuries. Many people started fleeing southwards and to coastal cities. Some parts of the Balkans were already depopulated when the Slavs arrived.

[Jana]

West Balkans was very lowly populated after Roman conquest, Jutinian Plague and Hunnic, Gothic, and Avaro-Slavic invasion.

Illyrian genocide is a fantasy, archeology shows massive depopulation of the area except in coastal cities and the mountains, and gradual intermingling of barbarian and native elements trough centuries.

[Bosniensis]

I don't care. I know that Byzantine ruler from 6th century allowed Slavs to settle here. We spoke about it here on forum. What is his name?

Caesar Flavius Heraclius Augustus in 6th century.

But Keep in mind that was the Emperor who destroyed 90% of Byzantine Empire infrastructure and population in War against Persians, he won though.

He hated Slavs and the only reason he gave Slavs permission to settle is because he was afraid of invasions from North.

He gave "permission" in exchange for defending of those territories.

[Dick]

I don't care. I know that Byzantine ruler from 6th century allowed Slavs to settle here. We spoke about it here on forum. What is his name?

Jovan Deretic

[Bosniensis]

West Balkans was very lowly populated after Roman conquest, Jutinian Plague and Hunnic, Gothic, and Avaro-Slavic invasion.

Illyrian genocide is a fantasy, archeology shows massive depopulation of the area except in coastal cities and the mountains, and gradual intermingling of barbarian and native elements trough centuries.

That's convenient isn't it.

Slavs came, found nobody... empty cities... phoned Emperor and asked him if it's ok to settle.. he said Fine...

... S. Slavs were the luckiest people in universe.

If only modern migrants could find something like that.

[Moje ime]

Caesar Flavius Heraclius Augustus in 6th century.

But Keep in mind that was the Emperor who destroyed 90% of Byzantine Empire infrastructure and population in War against Persians, he won though.

He hated Slavs and the only reason he gave Slavs permission to settle is because he was afraid of invasions from North.

He gave "permission" in exchange for defending of those territories.

Obviously he didn't have enough people on this teritory.

[Moje ime]

Jovan Deretic

Caesar Flavius Heraclius Augustus :cool:

[Jana]

Yes, Illyrians and Vlachs (Romanised Illyrians) were same people genetically, that's for sure.

[Dick]

Slavs came, found nobody... empty cities... phoned Emperor and asked him if it's ok to settle.. he said Fine...


:phone:

[Kelmendasi]

Yes, Illyrians and Vlachs (Romanised Illyrians) were same people genetically, that's for sure.
I think that depends. IMO Vlachs could just have been anyone in the area that spoke Latin, sure they were mostly Paleo-Balkanites that linguistically were Romanised but I'm sure that some were Romanised Germanics or some other group.

[Jana]

I think that depends. IMO Vlachs could just have been anyone in the area that spoke Latin, sure they were mostly Paleo-Balkanites that linguistically were Romanised but I'm sure that some were Romanised Germanics or some other group.

Later for sure. I meant in era before barbarians came. :)

[Kelmendasi]

Later for sure. I meant in era before barbarians came. :)
Yh true, some Roman/Italic admix could have come through as well. I'm sure some Roman troops from Italy had been stationed in the area

[Bosniensis]

:phone:

xD

[Jana]

Slavs were never invited to the Balkans, they invaded it under the leadership of the Avars. And they did slaughter the natives and enslaved them. I read this in a Book the fall of the late Roman empire. Areas like Kosovo, Macedonia were largely depopulated of its native population. They most likely retreated into Albania. Croatia was also largely depopulated.

Its a fact that the Southern Serbs, including the Nemanjic and Bulgarians mostly mixed with Albanians and Latinised populations of that area once such empires emerged.

There were two different waves of Slavic invasions in the Balkans.

First came from Eastern Slavic lands allied with Avars, Croats and Serbs came much later from western slavic lands invited by Byzantines, and they conquered these Avaro-Slavs and remnants of native populations in their new homeland.

[Moje ime]

There were two different waves of Slavic invasions in the Balkans.

First came from Eastern Slavic lands allied with Avars, Serbs and Croats came much later from western slavic lands invited by Byzantines, and they conquered these Avaro-Slavs and remnants of native populations in their new homeland.

Yep, those were Balto Mongolians.

[Bosniensis]

Yes, Illyrians and Vlachs (Romanised Illyrians) were same people genetically, that's for sure.

40% Vlachs are Slavs who were Latinized by other Vlachs.

70% of Romania are Slavs cause I2 and R1a are two major haplogroups there.

E1b, J2 and R1b are true Dacians.

[Dick]

Yh true, some Roman/Italic admix could have come through as well. I'm sure some Roman troops from Italy had been stationed in the area

Not necessarily from Italy. For example Sarmatians that served in the legions were given land to farm in the Balkans after military service.

[Jana]

40% Vlachs are Slavs who were Latinized by other Vlachs.

70% of Romania are Slavs cause I2 and R1a are two major haplogroups there.

E1b, J2 and R1b are true Dacians.

Not 75% tho, it is lower than that. Romanians are mix of Balkan and Slavic with little bit of Turkic touch.

[Bosniensis]

Not 75% tho, it is lower than that. Romanians are mix of Balkan and Slavic with little bit of Turkic touch.

xD and they speak Latin language xD what losers.

They should learn Russian and Serbian instead.

[Kelmendasi]

Not necessarily from Italy. For example Sarmatians that served in the legions were given land to farm in the Balkans after military service.
Yh it all depends on what legions were used in the wars in the Balkans. Some legions for example were wholly made up of people from the Balkans. But I do think that some Italic peoples were sent to the Balkans for military or admin purposes.

[Jana]

xD and they speak Latin language xD what losers.

They should learn Russian and Serbian instead.

Dumb comment, since Bulgarians who are more Thracian than Slavic speak Slavic.


The Proto Serbs and proto Croats were never invited by Byzantium . At least not in the Southern Balkans. They settled more North. The Serbs expanded South with the Nemanjic empire in the 12th century. That's when they occupied Kosovo. They had settled in Balkans in 6th century.

Kosovo isn't Serbian. It's an Albanian land. And will always be. These DNA tests just prove it further more. Cyaaaaaaaa.

DARDANIAAAAAAAAAAAAA

You don't need to politicize this thread.

[Bosniensis]

The Proto Serbs and proto Croats were never invited by Byzantium . At least not in the Southern Balkans. They settled more North. The Serbs expanded South with the Nemanjic empire in the 12th century.

Kosovo isn't Serbian. It's an Albanian land. And will always be. These DNA tests just prove it further more. Cyaaaaaaaa.

We came like those migrants from Pakistan to Balkan with a difference we came from North-East.

We still don't know from which woods we came down. Some say we got lost and accidentally found Balkans and settled it.

[Dick]

Legio 5 Alaudae or "the larks" ( French alouette) made up of Gauls were also given land in the Balkans to farm after service.

Some historians say the Cincari descend from them. Cincar= Quinque

[CommonSense]

Legio 5 Alaudae or "the larks" ( French alouette) made up of Gauls were also given land in the Balkans to farm after service.

Some historians say the Cincari descend from them. Cincar= Quinque

Cincars are the least Gaul-looking population from these parts though :D Other explanations are certainly more plausible.

[Bosniensis]

Cincars are the least Gaul-looking population from these parts though :D Other explanations are certainly more plausible.

Nobody knows how Gauls looked like except that statue "Dying Gaul"

do they look like a Dying Gaul?

https://st.depositphotos.com/1748330/1289/i/950/depositphotos_12891680-stock-photo-the-dying-gaul.jpg

[Dick]

Cincars are the least Gaul-looking population from these parts though :D Other explanations are certainly more plausible.

Are they short? Gauls were short.

[Kelmendasi]

Cincars are the least Gaul-looking population from these parts though :D Other explanations are certainly more plausible.
Aren't Cincars just Aromanians under another name?

[Pribislav]

Paternally we are from Poland, Albanians are Paternally from Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia and Albania.

We are technically living on their territory we conquered in 6th century.

We are Illyrians in that % we mixed with their wives we captured initially.

Constantine the Great was Albanian

Diocletian was Albanian

City of Naissus (Niš) was Albanian city

Albania was up to Austria back then.

We came from Ukraine and Poland and massacred those Bosnian, Serbian Albanians (Illyrians)

You went to another extreme. :coffee:

[CommonSense]

Nobody knows how Gauls looked like except that statue "Dying Gaul"

do they look like a Dying Gaul?

https://st.depositphotos.com/1748330/1289/i/950/depositphotos_12891680-stock-photo-the-dying-gaul.jpg

The statue is robust and it's face has heavy Cromagnid features, not something I would associate with Cincars.

[Bosniensis]

You went to another extreme. :coffee:

Either we are Illyrians or Albanians.

We are predominantly I2, R1a

Albanians are E1b and J2

you want to find middle ground?

It's impossible.

[CommonSense]

Aren't Cincars just Aromanians under another name?

Yeah. The local term is 'Cincar', the generally accepted one is 'Aromanian'.

[Bosniensis]

The statue is robust and it's face has heavy Cromagnid features, not something I would associate with Cincars.

He doesn't look as average French either.

[Kelmendasi]

The statue is robust and it's face has heavy Cromagnid features, not something I would associate with Cincars.
Imo practically every Barbarian was depicted as the same in terms of appearance by the Romans, the statues all look pretty similar to me

[Moje ime]

Either we are Illyrians or Albanians.

We are predominantly I2, R1a

Albanians are E1b and J2

you want to find middle ground?

It's impossible.

So what are autosomal results then? Nothing?

[Dick]

The statue is robust and it's face has heavy Cromagnid features, not something I would associate with Cincars.

he looks Alpinid

[Moje ime]

Nobody knows how Gauls looked like except that statue "Dying Gaul"

do they look like a Dying Gaul?

https://st.depositphotos.com/1748330/1289/i/950/depositphotos_12891680-stock-photo-the-dying-gaul.jpg

Reminds me of Yu grupa singer, Serbian xD

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XFTARSufjbM/hqdefault.jpg

[Bosniensis]

So what are autosomal results then? Nothing?

If a Roman marry Persian woman, his son is a Roman not Persian.

My Grandfather married Albanian woman, that doesn't make me Albanian.

[Dick]

Imo practically every Barbarian was depicted as the same in terms of appearance by the Romans, the statues all look pretty similar to me

He looks like a punk rocker with the hair and choker necklace. All he needs is a nose ring.

[CommonSense]

Changing the subject....does anyone know how long it takes for MyHeritage to process the raw data?

[Moje ime]

If a Roman marry Persian woman, his son is a Roman not Persian.

My Grandfather married Albanian woman, that doesn't make me Albanian.

Yes it makes you half Albanian by dna. Another thing is how you going to declare yourself, by mother or father ethnicity.

If your grandfather married African you couldn't escape being half black.

[Jana]

Changing the subject....does anyone know how long it takes for MyHeritage to process the raw data?

Can be quite long, or just a few days.

[Bosniensis]

He looks like a punk rocker with the hair and choker necklace. All he needs is a nose ring.

This is Illyrian (confirmed), he looks similar to Dying Gaul... Gauls and Illyrians were cousins according to herodotus.

Full name: Caesar Gaius Messius Quintus Trajanus Decius Augustus

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2149/3776994892_be77cc8c4c_z.jpg

[Moje ime]

Changing the subject....does anyone know how long it takes for MyHeritage to process the raw data?

2-3 weeks