Czechs Commemorate 80th Anniversary Of Munich Agreement

[Magnolia]

Czechs all over the country commemorate 80th year anniversary of the Munich Agreement - the tragic milestone in the history of Czechoslovakia and what has been described as one of the greatest betrayals of the 20th century.

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Munich Conference of 1938 | Photo source German Federal Archives


“About us, without us” – now a Czech saying but originally just one of many frontpage headings in the First Czechoslovak Republic newspapers visible all across the country. It’s September 1938 and France, Italy, Great Britain together with Germany just signed an agreement which gives Czechoslovakia 10 days to cede its border territories to Germany.

Despite being present in Munich at the moment, none of the Czechoslovak leaders were invited to the conference.

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Protest in Prague against German aggression, 22 September 1938 | Photo source not known

The purpose of the conference was to discuss the future ownership of the Czechoslovak border regions. Using fabricated pro-Nazi propaganda reports of Czechoslovak oppression of the country’s large German minority, Hitler made demands for autonomy for Germans living in Czechoslovakia by handover all those territories where the German population represented over fifty percent of the total population.

As France had a mutual defense treaty with Czechoslovakia, the British government was worried that if France was drawn into an armed conflict with Germany, Britain would be sucked into a new European war as it was treaty-bound to defend France. Chamberlain’s solution was to give Hitler what he wanted, in return for a promise of “Peace in Our Time.”

As a response to Hitler’s demands to give up Czechoslovak borderland – for which a new territorial designation, the “Sudetenland”, was coined – the Munich Agreement was signed on September 30th, by Chamberlain, Hitler, Mussolini and the French prime minister Daladier.

Sudetenland was of high strategic importance to Czechoslovakia as heavy industrial districts were situated there. Majority of the Czechoslovak’s border defenses were also placed throughout the affected regions.

The truncated “Small, but our own” Czechoslovakia existed only briefly. It came to an end when Hitler marched his troops into the country on March 15, 1939, in defiance of his promises given at Munich and the occupation of Bohemia, Moravia, and Silesia began.

Some people Today compare Russia’s contemporary behavior towards Ukraine with the Munich Crisis of 1938.

https://www.czechjournal.cz/czechs-commemorate-80th-anniversary-munich-agreement/

[Dandelion]

Does the current Czech distrustfulness have its roots in that event, or are its roots older?

[Magnolia]

Does the current Czech distrustfulness have its roots in that event, or are its roots older?

It has probably deeper roots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_of_the_Brethren
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_White_Mountain
https://www.radio.cz/en/section/arts/the-art-of-the-bohemian-reformation-turns-spotlight-on-lesser-known-period-of-art

[frankhammer]

And only to be betrayed again post WW2. Shameful behaviour shown towards the Czechs by the West.

[Aldaris]

Does the current Czech distrustfulness have its roots in that event, or are its roots older?

Fuck off already, alien.

[Dandelion]

This is also taught in our schools as a betrayal of Czechslovakia in history classes here. A warning and lesson to stand by principles. War weariness when Germany was still weak enough to be able to get swiftly defeated, yet inertia and cowardice gave them time to re-arm and increase their production capacity for well another year. War was inevitable anyway and time was lost.

[Bobby Martnen]

The Munich Agreement was a good deal...Sudetenland is rightfully German clay!

[Peterski]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SetNFqcayeA


Using fabricated pro-Nazi propaganda reports of Czechoslovak oppression of the country’s large German minority, Hitler made demands for autonomy for Germans living in Czechoslovakia by handover all those territories where the German population represented over fifty percent of the total population.

Really? They sound about as credible as Brett Kavanaugh's accusers:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hprV2nQRvbc

http://terkepek.adatbank.transindex.ro/legbelso.php?nev=10

https://i.redd.it/8lun85vx4we11.png

^^^ Distribution of ethnic Czechs before WW1:

- tiszta (90 % felett) = pure (over 90 %)
- abszolút többség = (absolute) majority
- relatív többség = relative majority
- kisebbség = minority
- szórvány (10 % alatt) = less than 10 %

Prága is the Hungarian name of Prague, and Bécs is Vienna. Brünn is the German name of todays Brno, but it was used in Hungarian in Austro-Hungary. The upper right corner shows Czechs in Slavonia (now Croatia).

[Anglojew]

Both the Czechs and Poles were abandoned by the allies.

[Magnolia]

Both the Czechs and Poles were abandoned by the allies.

Are you kidding me? Poles attacked Czechoslovakia 2 days after the Munich Agreement was signed.

http://www.weeklyuniverse.com/2003/poland.htm

[Peterski]

You (Czechs) attacked and annexed that area in 1919 (so called Seven-Day War). In 1938 not a single shot was fired, your government just agreed to give it back to Poland after an ultimatum. So stop calling it "invasion".

And yes, after Munich we had to protect ethnic Polish population. We had to take back Zaolzie before Germany would annex it together with Sudetenland.

If Poland did not take back Zaolzie what would happen to that area? Yes, it would have been annexed by Germany either in late 1938 or in March 1939 with the rest of Bohemia-Moravia.

Poland wanted to fight against Germany in 1938 together with Czechs, but Czech cowards decided to surrender without a fight when Britain and France betrayed them. And 200,000 ethnic Poles in Zaolzie were left to fend for themselves, at the mercy of Nazi Germany. Poland had to take back Zaolzie ASAP, before Hitler could occupy it together with the rest of Czechoslovakia. Hungary also had to protect the ethnic Hungarian minority.

[Peterski]

Nobody could help the Czechs if they were not willing to help themselves - they decided to surrender to Hitler without a fight when it became clear that France and Britain were not going to help them.

Poland could help but they did not want our help and did not want any compromise with Poland.

[Magnolia]

You (Czechs) attacked and annexed that area in 1919 (so called Seven-Day War). In 1938 not a single shot was fired, your government just agreed to give it back to Poland after an ultimatum. So stop calling it "invasion".

And yes, after Munich we had to protect ethnic Polish population. We had to take back Zaolzie before Germany would annex it together with Sudetenland.

If Poland did not take back Zaolzie what would happen to that area? Yes, it would have been annexed by Germany either in late 1938 or in March 1939 with the rest of Bohemia-Moravia.

Poland wanted to fight against Germany in 1938 together with Czechs, but Czech cowards decided to surrender without a fight when Britain and France betrayed them. And 200,000 ethnic Poles in Zaolzie were left to fend for themselves, at the mercy of Nazi Germany. Poland had to take back Zaolzie ASAP, before Hitler could occupy it together with the rest of Czechoslovakia. Hungary also had to protect the ethnic Hungarian minority.

What a liar you are. You even didn't let Soviets to go through Poland to help Czechoslovakia against the Nazi aggression. You were allies of Nazi Germany, you collaborated with them and because of you WWII started. With Soviets we were able to beat them.

[Silver Lining]

Bohemia was always a German area of influence. The Nazis even gave the Czechs the same rights as the Germans (yes, also child allowance).

[Marmara]

How did Germans in Czechoslovakia felt about Hitler and annexation? Any idea?

[Magnolia]

Nobody could help the Czechs if they were not willing to help themselves - they decided to surrender to Hitler without a fight when it became clear that France and Britain were not going to help them.

Poland could help but they did not want our help and did not want any compromise with Poland.

We were surrounded by enemies - first of all Poland, then Austria, Germany and Hungary. The UK, Italy and France were against us too. In Czechlands 3.5 millions Germans lived. To fight without Soviets = suicide.

[Magnolia]

Bohemia was always a German area of influence. The Nazis even gave the Czechs the same rights as the Germans (yes, also child allowance).

No it wasn't. Germans were invited by Czech kings. These people lived peaceful with Czechs, but because of the Nazi ideology they betrayed us.
Even in Sudetenland half of the population were Czechs. These people were expulsed after the Munich Agreement and there was an open aggression against them. Few days ago I read an expression by a witness he literally said that even Czech children had broken legs...

[Silver Lining]

No it wasn't. Germans were invited by Czech kings. These people lived peaceful with Czechs, but because of the Nazi ideology they betrayed us.
Even in Sudetenland half of the population were Czechs. These people were expulsed after the Munich Agreement and there was an open aggression against them. Few days ago I read an expression by a witness he literally said that even Czech children had broken legs...

Fake news.

[LolKid]

Anywars, today, ethnic groups in Western and Central Europe are more or less seperated, and that prevents cases like this.
Just look at the mess that is the Balkans. Look at Transylvania.

[Magnolia]

Fake news.

google translation; source: wiki

Immediately after the adoption of the Munich Agreement, expulsions of the Czechs and Jews from the borderland took place. German anti-fascists who feared repression joined in the run. The expulsion was not carried out on the basis of any official document, but was carried out under massive pressure and threats especially by German ordnans, but also those who had committed the verbal and physical assault of the Czechs and Jews earlier. Refugees dispose of their assets on cars, cars and railway wagons, and fled back to their smaller country. There have also been events such as theft, firearms, and others. Apart from the national and racial intolerance of the Czech Germans, in many cases the attacks on Bohemia and the desire for prey played.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Czech_refugees_from_the_Sudetenland_1.gif/800px-Czech_refugees_from_the_Sudetenland_1.gif

After October 1, 1938, the Czech population was in the position of a national minority, which had absolutely no national rights. All Czech political parties and associations were abolished, their property was confiscated in favor of the Empire. The Czech language was forbidden in official contacts, the Czech language was not allowed to be spoken either in public or in means of transport. The Czechs were not allowed to work in any state administration, nor were they allowed to exercise any political functions, nor at the municipal level. All Czech newspapers were gradually abolished, the printing of Czech books was forbidden, no Czech film was allowed to come to the cinemas, the Czech broadcast in the radio was canceled. Restricted and finally forbidden were Czech theater amateur performances, football matches, dance entertainments, pilgrimages, public processions and sermons and worship in Czech. Most of Czech public libraries, Czech secondary schools were closed, the number of elementary schools was limited. Czechs were disadvantaged in gaining work, and after the occupation of Bohemia and Moravia they left for the Protectorate. Gradually, small Czech enterprises were liquidated by the economic pressure, confiscation of Czech agricultural property took place. Until 1943, approximately 75,000 hectares of land formerly owned by the Czechs were found in German hands. In addition, the Czechs were restricted in dealing with their property, they were not allowed to sell it to Czech hands, etc. The Czechs who succumbed to systematic bullying from the German authorities and formally applied for German nationality were "displaced" after the war to Germany (or Austria ).
https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyhn%C3%A1n%C3%AD_%C4%8Cech%C5%AF_ze_Sudet_v_roce_ 1938

[Bobby Martnen]

No it wasn't. Germans were invited by Czech kings. These people lived peaceful with Czechs, but because of the Nazi ideology they betrayed us.
Even in Sudetenland half of the population were Czechs. These people were expulsed after the Munich Agreement and there was an open aggression against them. Few days ago I read an expression by a witness he literally said that even Czech children had broken legs...

Half of the people in the Sudetenland were not Slavs.

There's no such thing as Czechs, there are Bohemians and Moravians. "Czechs" are as real as an ethnicity as "Yugoslavs" or "Czechoslovaks".

[Magnolia]

Half of the people in the Sudetenland were not Slavs.

There's no such thing as Czechs, there are Bohemians and Moravians. "Czechs" are as real as an ethnicity as "Yugoslavs" or "Czechoslovaks".

Those Sudeten Germans were not less mixed as Czechs. A Sudeten German Nazi leader:
Konrad Ernst Eduard Henlein

His father, Konrad Henlein Sr., worked as an accounts clerk. His mother, Hedvika Anna Augusta Dworatschek (Dvořáček), was the daughter of a family of Czech origin.
His origin was not atypical for Sudeten Germans.

Eg. this movie...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ai1ltKbhmU
the movie is based on real events; a small detail is not said there - the main character wasn't full "German" but half Czech half Sudeten German (wit probably some other Czech roots) + there is not said he was a card gambler; and yes he was killed during The expulsion of Germans from Czechoslovakia... but not by an unknown Czech for him, but by a guy he had issues in real life.


Moravians identify themselves as Czechs, they were practically fully assimilated.

[Peterski]

In most of Sudetenland Czechs were less than 10%, not half:

http://terkepek.adatbank.transindex.ro/legbelso.php?nev=10

http://terkepek.adatbank.transindex.ro/kepek/netre/10.gif

[Bobby Martnen]

Those Sudeten Germans were not less mixed as Czechs. A Sudeten German Nazi leader:
Konrad Ernst Eduard Henlein


Some had Czech blood, but the vast majority of people in Sudetenland were Germans.