The Story of Fat: Why we were Wrong about Health

[The Lawspeaker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S6-v37nOtY


This is the story of how we came to be afraid of fat and cholesterol & Why the anti fat mindset has made a lot of people's health worse.

[Harley]

The keto diet is basically set on the principles of the video.

From my own personal experience, keto has naturally reduced blood glucose so insulin is no longer required, has reduced the amount of pain I’ve been in considerably, and has given me tons of energy.

High fat, moderate protein, low carb.

I’m working on converting my family over to keto, even though they are not experiencing any health problems currently. The only problem is it really is expensive to go organic, and while I’m okay for just me doing this, I cannot justify the cost of them eating keto until they go full blown keto. For the time being, the best I can do is reduce the amounts of processed foods they eat by making them at home( I’m excited that I got a bread machine lol), and sometimes making dinners where it is keto, but they don’t realize it, so this type of eating becomes normalized.

There are a lot of times I’ll cook meats and stuff, then separate my portion before adding the extra stuff that makes it not healthy for me.

I often make the joke whenever I’m at a buffet and there are few options for me to eat that I’m eating ki’o(key-ohh), which means shit in Samoan lol.

[The Lawspeaker]

I often make the joke whenever I’m at a buffet and there are few options for me to eat that I’m eating ki’o(key-ohh), which means shit in Samoan lol.

:D:thumb001:

[Defiance]

Old news; no one's afraid of fat anymore. It's carbs that are the boogeyman now. Personally I'm just waiting for people to start blaming protein.

[Harley]

Old news; no one's afraid of fat anymore. It's carbs that are the boogeyman now. Personally I'm just waiting for people to start blaming protein.

Isn’t the Vegan diet based on that?

I keed, I keed.

[Defiance]

Isn’t the Vegan diet based on that?

I keed, I keed.
In seriousness, I don't tolerate vilification of any macro-nutrients. It just doesn't make sense.

[Harley]

In seriousness, I don't tolerate vilification of any macro-nutrients. It just doesn't make sense.

Which part doesn’t make sense?

[Defiance]

Which part doesn’t make sense?
The vilification of macro-nutrients! ALL of it.

[Defiance]

Oh but they already have... "It turns into sugar!"

But protein is fine as long as you eat enough fat so you don't get rabbit starvation (assuming you're not eating carbs). Main source of energy and nutrition is in the fat. Fat is where it's at :hungry:
Did you misunderstand me? They say that about carbs.

Fats are good so long as they're plant-based. I do not eat corpses.

[Insuperable]

Old news; no one's afraid of fat anymore. It's carbs that are the boogeyman now. Personally I'm just waiting for people to start blaming protein.

Fat is still the bogeyman, just not saturated fat anymore. Trans fat is the biggest bogeyman now and for a good reason. Also, people who go keto are morons, another side of extreme.

[Ford]

Old news; no one's afraid of fat anymore. It's carbs that are the boogeyman now. Personally I'm just waiting for people to start blaming protein.

Carbs aren't bad either, just the processed stuff.


Fat is still the bogeyman, just not saturated fat anymore. Trans fat is the biggest bogeyman now and for a good reason. Also, people who go keto are morons, another side of extreme.

I have tried keto twice and I think it's good for cutting weight but not a permanent diet.

[Harley]

Disagree with the sentiments on keto, mainly because I have directly felt the benefits of being on it. It’s less about cutting weight for me and more about the health benefits in relation to healing GI issues, lowering blood glucose, and lowering blood pressure.

I was in constant pain last year after several surgeries that boosted my blood pressure to 180/100 regularly, as well as shot up my blood glucose, despite strictly following a recommended diet that I had been on while in the hospital for an excess of two months. Did not work, barely managed my health, and only with complete bedrest and constantly sleeping all the time. Whenever I had to use the bathroom or get myself a drink, everything went out the window. BP would shoot up immediately. Wouldn’t be able to do much after my pain inevitably soared. Couldn’t think clearly.

Keto reduced the need for insulin, blood pressure medication, and pain meds. Keto is a fad diet if you let it be. For me, it’s a life saver that no other way of eating has solved, and medication that has been prescribed to “manage” my health does not affect me quite as much as altering my diet does.

Maybe you’re fortunate that your eating doesn’t kill you like it does me. You can eat whatever you want to and the most you would have to worry about is getting fat. Not my case.

[coolfrenchguy]

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,you need to starve your adypocites if you want loose fat,the good and the bad cholesterol,capscein tabs,very good fat burner,i don't know avoid junk food,for a start,work out a bit ,and use bicycle as transport the best fat burner,roaming too,all the cardio sports my bike more or less like that i run around 20/25 kms/miles/h and i smoke , i am vegan since 15 years more or less, i have 13.5 of blood pression arteries sorry translating the medical terms is not my best
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i true than americans have verry shitty huge industries of shit where everything is transformed sugar even the beans,is not only the fat but the bad sugar too, i like several cups of coffee but with brown sugar from the west indies,it's not white,is better,drink coffee a lot it's one of the best medicine,eat garlic, i don't know i can give you countless of example,omega 3 are fat burner also,my last weight is 68.5 kilogs, i never been so low

[Defiance]

Disagree with the sentiments on keto, mainly because I have directly felt the benefits of being on it. It’s less about cutting weight for me and more about the health benefits in relation to healing GI issues, lowering blood glucose, and lowering blood pressure.

I was in constant pain last year after several surgeries that boosted my blood pressure to 180/100 regularly, as well as shot up my blood glucose, despite strictly following a recommended diet that I had been on while in the hospital for an excess of two months. Did not work, barely managed my health, and only with complete bedrest and constantly sleeping all the time. Whenever I had to use the bathroom or get myself a drink, everything went out the window. BP would shoot up immediately. Wouldn’t be able to do much after my pain inevitably soared. Couldn’t think clearly.

Keto reduced the need for insulin, blood pressure medication, and pain meds. Keto is a fad diet if you let it be. For me, it’s a life saver that no other way of eating has solved, and medication that has been prescribed to “manage” my health does not affect me quite as much as altering my diet does.

Maybe you’re fortunate that your eating doesn’t kill you like it does me. You can eat whatever you want to and the most you would have to worry about is getting fat. Not my case.
I wonder if such results are seen mainly because a) you're indeed losing weight, which will naturally improve your health, and b) because you're cutting out literally ALL processed junk food.

It's also interesting that ketosis can (and will) be achieved by fasting; ie, starving yourself. I've heard that occasional fasting does carry some great benefits.

[Harley]

I wonder if such results are seen mainly because a) you're indeed losing weight, which will naturally improve your health, and b) because you're cutting out literally ALL processed junk food.

It's also interesting that ketosis can (and will) be achieved by fasting; ie, starving yourself. I've heard that occasional fasting does carry some great benefits.
The most, or least, I do in regards to intermittent fasting is skipping breakfast maybe once a week, if that, because I’m not hungry.

Howver, I do need to eat more frequently on keto, which I will do by eating “fat bombs” consisting of equal parts natural peanut butter/almond butter, coconut oil, and cocoa powder.

Again, you seem to be glossing over the fact that I was on a diabetic diet while hospitalized for surgeries for two months( this was in May and June last year), then sent home to recover, all on the same diet. So, we’re not talking about me being on junk food one moment then jumping straight to keto. I was on this diet for several months before going back to keto in December. It’s now March, which means almost a full year from the time I can be considered legit on some kind of health diet.

I still weigh the same amount. I haven’t gone aggressive with keto in the sense that I’m exercising regularly because I’m not in a physical state to do so.

I went from strict diabetic diet for several months with two types of insulin, two types of bp meds, and opioid meds for pain, to no medications. After my surgeries, I had to relearn how to walk, and I did this by myself while my husband was out of the country. This requires a lot of discipline, and there would be no way I would willingly choose to fuck this up when I have a young child who depends on me to provide some quality of life for her.

Why would I put myself through keto unless I was desperate to live, and have a quality of life? Especially by doing everything strictly by doctor’s orders via diet and medication and still not seeing any progress. I was getting worse.

Maybe you don’t want to believe it, but I have had to fight my own body in many different ways to live. Keto has helped me detox from opioids and live mostly pain free. I think you guys are being disrespectful towards me being on keto because you don’t want to understand why diet is important; which is not hard to understand if all you need it for is it remove your belly fat, and nothing else.

[Defiance]

I'm not being disrespectful; I'm asking questions. I want to know WHY it works for you. I wonder if it's something that you're eating or you're NOT eating that's giving you results, or both?

[Harley]

I'm not being disrespectful; I'm asking questions. I want to know WHY it works for you. I wonder if it's something that you're eating or you're NOT eating that's giving you results, or both?

Let me get info for you on why it’s supposed to work. I’ll try to post by tomorrow/ later today( 5am for me now).

For the differences between keto and diabetic diet, keto does do less carb intake( for those doing keto for health problems, intake is less than 20g carbs daily) and replaces that with fat intake.

The thing is keto may not work for everyone, but it 100% works for me. If I had listened to doctors in regards to diet and meds, I’d still be bedridden on tons of meds and feeling powerless.

[coolfrenchguy]

in the non conventionnal treatments non covered generally by the medicare,in france it's the case if you want detox it's by inside,the roman hydrotherapy of the colon,you need to boost you immuno system,by sudation try the teepee for example

[Oneeye]

Old news; no one's afraid of fat anymore. It's carbs that are the boogeyman now. Personally I'm just waiting for people to start blaming protein.

Oh, many still are. Just yesterday I had some lady at the grocery store warn me about getting high cholesterol when I grabbed a carton of five dozen eggs and told her it was mostly all for myself. Only fitness people keep up on modern nutrition.


Carbohydrates have been bad though. They're important to your diet, but fact is that unhealthy food is mostly carbs. All these pastas, breads, desserts and snacks...

[coolfrenchguy]

The most, or least, I do in regards to intermittent fasting is skipping breakfast maybe once a week, if that, because I’m not hungry.

Howver, I do need to eat more frequently on keto, which I will do by eating “fat bombs” consisting of equal parts natural peanut butter/almond butter, coconut oil, and cocoa powder.

Again, you seem to be glossing over the fact that I was on a diabetic diet while hospitalized for surgeries for two months( this was in May and June last year), then sent home to recover, all on the same diet. So, we’re not talking about me being on junk food one moment then jumping straight to keto. I was on this diet for several months before going back to keto in December. It’s now March, which means almost a full year from the time I can be considered legit on some kind of health diet.

I still weigh the same amount. I haven’t gone aggressive with keto in the sense that I’m exercising regularly because I’m not in a physical state to do so.

I went from strict diabetic diet for several months with two types of insulin, two types of bp meds, and opioid meds for pain, to no medications. After my surgeries, I had to relearn how to walk, and I did this by myself while my husband was out of the country. This requires a lot of discipline, and there would be no way I would willingly choose to fuck this up when I have a young child who depends on me to provide some quality of life for her.

Why would I put myself through keto unless I was desperate to live, and have a quality of life? Especially by doing everything strictly by doctor’s orders via diet and medication and still not seeing any progress. I was getting worse.

Maybe you don’t want to believe it, but I have had to fight my own body in many different ways to live. Keto has helped me detox from opioids and live mostly pain free. I think you guys are being disrespectful towards me being on keto because you don’t want to understand why diet is important; which is not hard to understand if all you need it for is it remove your belly fat, and nothing else.
try macrobiotic is better,i never heard about keto and i really don't know what is it,ok now i see cetonic looks barbaric,to me, understand than you have your problem of diabet,you need to detox your liver,like as i say by inside with hydrotherapy,the best to do is go on wikipedia looks at what your symptoms are ,and search a alternative medicine i can really tell you like that because i know more how it's work in europe i haven't been in an hospital since 20 years i have tendency to don't trust to much the med industry,and they famous "miracle" treatments,and be carefull with diabet don't drink alchool it"s can kill you.

[Oneeye]

Ketosis is the result of the breakdown of fat... which results with ketone bodies as a product.


You will see it after your body's glycogen stores have been depleted. Which is your body's stored carbohydrates in your muscles and liver.

The depletion of glycogen results in weight loss... a good portion of that being water.


You can end up with a "metally" taste in your mouth with ketosis. I have done it and honestly I felt like shit. Going on runs while on a ketogenic diet left me with no energy.


Ketogenic diets were for cutting down on the amount of seizures some patients struggled with. Current trendy ketogenic diets are for cutting out excess carbs by first starting out severely low and slowly adding in carb sources as you progress.

[Harley]

For active people, you usually have to increase your protein and carb intake to make up for burning all that energy.

I didn’t run into the same problem, as I’m not as active.

Keto was originally developed for seizure patients. For me, because of the steady decrease in chronic pain and glucose levels, I feel fine with continuing with keto.

I will definitely look into the macrobiotic diet and hydrotherapy for sure.

[Defiance]

Oh, many still are. Just yesterday I had some lady at the grocery store warn me about getting high cholesterol when I grabbed a carton of five dozen eggs and told her it was mostly all for myself. Only fitness people keep up on modern nutrition.


Carbohydrates have been bad though. They're important to your diet, but fact is that unhealthy food is mostly carbs. All these pastas, breads, desserts and snacks...
I just want people to acknowledge the massive difference between complex carbs and junk-food carbs. Still waiting on that, though.....


Ketosis is the result of the breakdown of fat... which results with ketone bodies as a product.


You will see it after your body's glycogen stores have been depleted. Which is your body's stored carbohydrates in your muscles and liver.

The depletion of glycogen results in weight loss... a good portion of that being water.


You can end up with a "metally" taste in your mouth with ketosis. I have done it and honestly I felt like shit. Going on runs while on a ketogenic diet left me with no energy.

Ketogenic diets were for cutting down on the amount of seizures some patients struggled with. Current trendy ketogenic diets are for cutting out excess carbs by first starting out severely low and slowly adding in carb sources as you progress.
If it's possible for keto to be followed as part of a safe and healthy lifestyle, then there are at least a few caveats to be aware of. Keto flu, electrolytes, stuff like that.

Disclaimer to all: Like almost all people who get into discussions such as these, I am no doctor or dietician. So when I say things like "keto and fasting are the same thing," do take it with salt. I could be wrong.

[Hulu]

Disagree with the sentiments on keto, mainly because I have directly felt the benefits of being on it. .


What say you, friendly nuna. I'm thinking about having fat pork belly for lunch ( I love it :yumyum:) but I'm trying to watch my figure lately.

Eating fat is the only thing making you fat: study

https://nypost.com/2018/07/17/eating-fat-is-the-only-thing-making-you-fat-study/

Eating fatty foods is the only cause of weight gain, not carbs, according to a new study.

Despite confusing and conflicting information in the past, scientists have been able to prove those extra inches have nothing to do with carbs or protein.

In a huge experiment, mice were fed varying diets over three months – the equivalent of nine human years.

They only piled on the pounds during the course of the fatty diets.

This is because the fatty food stimulated the reward centers in their brains.

Scientists from the University of Aberdeen and the Chinese Academy of Sciences undertook the largest study of its kind.

Since food consists of fat, protein and carbs, it has proven difficult to pinpoint exactly what aspect of the typical diet leads to weight gain.

Part of the problem is that it is very difficult to do studies on humans where what they eat is controlled for long enough periods to work out what are the most important factors.

But studies on animals that are similar to us can help point in the right direction.

The study, published in Cell Metabolism includes 30 different diets that vary in their fat, carbohydrate (sugar) and protein contents.

Professor John Speakman, who led the study, said: “The result of this enormous study was unequivocal – the only thing that made the mice get fat was eating more fat in their diets.

“Carbohydrates including up to 30 percent of calories coming from sugar had no effect. Combining sugar with fat had no more impact than fat alone.”

He added: “There was no evidence that low protein, down to 5 percent, stimulated greater intake, suggesting there is no protein target.”

And he said mice were ideal test subjects as they are similar to humans in the physiology and metabolism.

[Smeagol]

Everything in moderation, that's really all the advice you need for a good diet.

[CordedWhelp]

I keep carbs on the low-end, but not Keto levels. I eat a fairly protein rich diet and take a men’s multi vitamin so jam packed with B vitamins, my pee is neon yellow-green (Just B Saturation. The excess is easily shed). I also take Psyllium husk once a day, 15G. If someone wants to ease into weight loss, that stuff alone (heck the fiber alone) will drop some weight. People overcomplicate this.

[_Prometheus_]

Do not go from extreme to extreme. But, the culture of a healthy diet certainly should be with a modern person.

[El_Abominacion]

There's always going to be some negligible thing people blame.

Everything in moderation imo, asides from trans fats/processed foods. Those, you can do just fine without.