What Percentage Of Ethnic Spaniards Are Non-White?

[Anglojew]

This is not a troll thread. This is a serious question.

Obviously the majority of Spaniards are white. I'm not talking about Levantine-looking Spaniards either suchs as Spanish director Alberto Rodriguez, whom I consider to be white by every definition;


http://cadenaser00.epimg.net/programa/imagenes/2016/09/17/la_script/1474100947_125868_1474104781_noticia_normal.jpg

I mean really non-white looking people not just non-Europeans. Such as Pedro Rodriguez & Víctor Puerto;

https://articlebio.com/uploads/bio/2017/02/17/pedro-rodriguez.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_C71EVfmC0I/UfTrLbcAmnI/AAAAAAAAMKc/seoZi3d-pU8/s1600/victor-puerto.jpg

Please keep it civil.

[Smeagol]

0%. Last guy looks like he has some foreign ancestry.

[Anglojew]

0%. Last guy looks like he has some foreign ancestry.

He looks Moorish.

[Smeagol]

He looks Moorish.

Well I wouldn't be surprised if he had recent Moorish ancestry. We'd have to ask the Spanish users.

[Anglojew]

Well I wouldn't be surprised if he had recent Moorish ancestry. We'd have to ask the Spanish users.

Yes. Spain is truly a historical melting pot.

[Zroota]

The last two guys definitely have some exotic ancestry in them.

Pedro looks a bit Amerind. Now I'm not educated on Spanish history, but did some Spaniards who colonized and mixed with American natives return to Spain some point in history? I have seen ethnic Iberians who look quasi native American, say like 20%. I don't know...

Last guy looks Moorish and also a bit 'Mestizo'. I doubt that he is 100% Iberian.

[Visage pâle]

From my observation i would say 10% have a slight north african look like Sergio Busquets. But Pedro Rodriguez and Victor Puerto are too much exotics to be ethnic spanish imo. They can pass better in Portugal but as atypical.

[Anglojew]

The last two guys definitely have some exotic ancestry in them.

Pedro looks a bit Amerind. Now I'm not educated on Spanish history, but did some Spaniards who colonized and mixed with American natives return to Spain some point in history? I have seen ethnic Iberians who look quasi native American, say like 20%. I don't know...

Last guy looks Moorish and also a bit 'Mestizo'. I doubt that he is 100% Iberian.

I agree with you on both points.

[Damião de Góis]

From my observation i would say 10% have a slight north african look like Sergio Busquets. But Pedro Rodriguez and Victor Puerto are too much exotics to be ethnic spanish imo. They can pass better in Portugal but as atypical.

Why would Predro Rodriguez and Victor Puerto pass better in Portugal than in Spain? Those surnames don't exist here.

[Visage pâle]

I speak only about appearance. Especially Victor Puerto imo.

[Anglojew]

Why would Predro Rodriguez and Victor Puerto pass better in Portugal than in Spain? Those surnames don't exist here.

Victor's real name is Cerdá

[Damião de Góis]

Victor's real name is Cerdá

His name is Víctor Sánchez Cerdá wich are all foreign surnames. Also he doesn't look like any bullfighter here, i posted a few:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?187571-Bullfighting-in-Portugal

[Visage pâle]

It seems that Bullfighters are often dark, i wonder why.

[Anglojew]

His name is Víctor Sánchez Cerdá wich are all foreign surnames. Also he doesn't look like any bullfighter here, i posted a few:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?187571-Bullfighting-in-Portugal

I never said he was Portuguese.

[Damião de Góis]

I never said he was Portuguese.

Yeah i was just answering Visage "Pale".

[FinalFlash]

Iberians were always the most 'exotic' people of Europe to me. A large minority, if not even the slight majority of their footballers would stick out anywhere outside of Iberia. Its strange because they look visibly distinct from North Africans as well.

One simply needs to look at guys like Xavi, Raul, Fernando Hierro, Busquets and Pedro for example to understand what I'm talking about.

The Portuguese are even more distinct imo. Coentrao, Nuno Gomes, Figo, Rui Costa etc. The more I look into them, the more I understand why the whiter or simply white Latin Americans look the way they look.

[Anglojew]

Iberians were always the most 'exotic' people of Europe to me. A large minority, if not even the slight majority of their footballers would stick out anywhere outside of Iberia. Its strange because they look visibly distinct from North Africans as well.

One simply needs to look at guys like Xavi, Raul, Fernando Hierro, Busquets and Pedro for example to understand what I'm talking about.

The Portuguese are even more distinct imo. Coentrao, Nuno Gomes, Figo, Rui Costa etc. The more I look into them, the more I understand why the whiter or simply white Latin Americans look the way they look.

Can you post pictorial examples please?

[FinalFlash]

Can you post pictorial examples please?

Xavi Hernandez, Spaniard

https://ibb.co/knN23e

Pedro, Spaniard

https://ibb.co/kiHfpK

Raul Gonzalez Blanco, Spaniard

https://ibb.co/g9h8bz

Fernando Hierro, Spaniard

https://ibb.co/kdRvOe

Sergio Busquets, Spaniard

https://ibb.co/k1jPie

Nuno Gomes, Portuguese

https://ibb.co/emRWUK

Luis Figo, Portuguese

https://ibb.co/jqco9K

Manuel Rui Costa, Portuguese

https://ibb.co/jGrLOe

Fabio Coentrao, Portuguese

https://ibb.co/euZ1UK

Fernando Meira, Portuguese

https://ibb.co/fsEkpK

[Anglojew]

Xavi Hernandez, Spaniard

https://ibb.co/knN23e

Pedro, Spaniard

https://ibb.co/kiHfpK

Raul Gonzalez Blanco, Spaniard

https://ibb.co/g9h8bz

Fernando Hierro, Spaniard

https://ibb.co/kdRvOe

Sergio Busquets, Spaniard

https://ibb.co/k1jPie

Nuno Gomes, Portuguese

https://ibb.co/emRWUK

Luis Figo, Portuguese

https://ibb.co/jqco9K

Manuel Rui Costa, Portuguese

https://ibb.co/jGrLOe

Fabio Coentrao, Portuguese

https://ibb.co/euZ1UK

Fernando Meira, Portuguese

https://ibb.co/fsEkpK

Last guy looks exotic

[The Lawspeaker]

Spain has a bit of of anything and everything: a veritable hotch potch of DNA as they have seen every ethnic group under the sun: from neolithic farmers (and those that came before them) to Celts, to Carthaginians, Greeks, Romans, Basks, Germanics of one sort or the other, Moors, Jews, Italians in the service of Spain to other hirelings like French, Flemish, Walloons, Germans, Brits and more recently tourists from every kind you could or could not imagine. All swashbuckled, fornicated, raped or married their way through Spain. That insane mixture we have now, that brew served cold in hell, is now known as the Spaniard. A weird yet strangely admirable bunch.

Some amateurish "what could he be ?" will not easily solve that puzzle. For that you'll need a DNA test.

[curiousabouthist1212]

street interviews in salamanca...some are kinda exotic looking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ttHi1BrVP4

[Damião de Góis]

Iberians were always the most 'exotic' people of Europe to me. A large minority, if not even the slight majority of their footballers would stick out anywhere outside of Iberia. Its strange because they look visibly distinct from North Africans as well.

One simply needs to look at guys like Xavi, Raul, Fernando Hierro, Busquets and Pedro for example to understand what I'm talking about.

The Portuguese are even more distinct imo. Coentrao, Nuno Gomes, Figo, Rui Costa etc. The more I look into them, the more I understand why the whiter or simply white Latin Americans look the way they look.

Exotic here being different from armenians? Well they do look far from the standard armenoid type:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Mher_Mkrtchyan_2006_post_card_cropped.jpg

Even a dark guy like Nuno Gomes:

https://benfica90.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/img_770x4332017_12_14_02_02_29_1344019.jpg

[Visage pâle]

street interviews in salamanca...some are kinda exotic looking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ttHi1BrVP4

They aren't exotics.

[Phenix]

Around 10% because of the Moorish, Gitano, and Latin American influences.

https://risibank.fr/cache/stickers/d222/22210-full.png

[renaissance12]

Iberians were always the most 'exotic' people of Europe to me. A large minority, if not even the slight majority of their footballers would stick out anywhere outside of Iberia. Its strange because they look visibly distinct from North Africans as well.

One simply needs to look at guys like Xavi, Raul, Fernando Hierro, Busquets and Pedro for example to understand what I'm talking about.

The Portuguese are even more distinct imo. Coentrao, Nuno Gomes, Figo, Rui Costa etc. The more I look into them, the more I understand why the whiter or simply white Latin Americans look the way they look.

To tell the true i'm not able to tell apart an (average) Italian from a (average ) Spanish and viceversa..

[grecoroman]

i am non white

[renaissance12]

i am non white

That is not the "problem" ( if you are an israelit )... the problem is that you killed "God"...

https://sites.google.com/site/lesacrescritture/_/rsrc/1459016192372/Home/la-santa-vergine-maria-soffre-per-la-morte-di-gesu/CROCIFISSO%20VIA%20CRUCIS%20PIETA.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

It seems that Bullfighters are often dark, i wonder why.
Not, at all.


Spain has a bit of of anything and everything: a veritable hotch potch of DNA as they have seen every ethnic group under the sun: from neolithic farmers (and those that came before them) to Celts, to Carthaginians, Greeks, Romans, Basks, Germanics of one sort or the other, Moors, Jews, Italians in the service of Spain to other hirelings like French, Flemish, Walloons, Germans, Brits and more recently tourists from every kind you could or could not imagine. All swashbuckled, fornicated, raped or married their way through Spain. That insane mixture we have now, that brew served cold in hell, is now known as the Spaniard. A weird yet strangely admirable bunch.

Some amateurish "what could he be ?" will not easily solve that puzzle. For that you'll need a DNA test.

The same can be said for Netherlands: Germanics, Jews, Spaniards, Romans, etc... and more recently blacks, Antillans, Moroccans, Indonesians.
Nice cocktail.

[Sp_loa]

I guess less than most people think.
my mom's family apparently have more recent Spanish Ancestry (Atlantic-Northern Spain) and even tho they are still mainly Sephardi Jews they wouldn't stick out as native French .In my dad family they are only Sephardi Jews and they look more like South Italian-Greeks.
Atypical Spaniards might have more recent berber ancestry.

[Anglojew]

Exotic here being different from armenians? Well they do look far from the standard armenoid type:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Mher_Mkrtchyan_2006_post_card_cropped.jpg

Even a dark guy like Nuno Gomes:

https://benfica90.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/img_770x4332017_12_14_02_02_29_1344019.jpg

I've seen some Georgians that look white and some that don't. Most Armenians look white but some don't look European per se.

[Anglojew]

That is not the "problem" ( if you are an israelit )... the problem is that you killed "God"...

https://sites.google.com/site/lesacrescritture/_/rsrc/1459016192372/Home/la-santa-vergine-maria-soffre-per-la-morte-di-gesu/CROCIFISSO%20VIA%20CRUCIS%20PIETA.jpg

Your Roman ancestors killed Jesus.

[Phenix]

Your Roman ancestors killed Jesus.

Accusatory inversion!

[Isleño]

Your Roman ancestors killed Jesus.

Persuaded by the jews. Pontius Pilate didn’t want to kill Jesus, but because of the persuasion and the undermining from the Sanhedrin, it wound up happening. Crafty Jews.

[The Lawspeaker]

Not, at all.



The same can be said for Netherlands: Germanics, Jews, Spaniards, Romans, etc... and more recently blacks, Antillans, Moroccans, Indonesians.
Nice cocktail.

Except the Moroccans thankfully didn't leave much of an imprint as marriages (or even "productive" liaisons) with local Dutch women are rare (women who engage in this can forget any sort of dealings with a local lad from then on and, here in the more conservative provinces, that stigma is extended to those who have any dealings with West Indians like Antelleans or Surinamese). West Indians and Indonesians certainly did, though, the number of Indo-Dutch is around 731.000 but no figures are known for the West Indies (so that figure would probably be lower).

And so did the Spanish or the French. There are quite a few people who still have "van Spanje" (of Spain) as their last name. Probably some Spanish (although not every Spanish soldier was Spanish: most here were either Walloon, Italian or German) soldier snagged up a local girl and instead of raping her, he decided to marry her. Good on him ! And 10.000s of French and Walloons fled to the Netherlands during the 16th, 17th and 18th century (the majority fleeing with the Edict of Nantes was revoked). As for the Jews ? Before 1940, I would have agreed with you there. 140,000 Jews in 1940 (25.000 or so of them German or Austrians who fled to the Netherlands as the Hitler regime was closing in). By 1945, there would have been less than 20.000 still alive. The current number of people who could be deemed Jewish in any way, shape or form (including half) is around 40.000, 45.000 people which... I hate to say it.. reduces their mark on society by just a little bit.

So, I'd say that the group who, probably left the biggest modern genetic imprint are either Germans (386.000 are calling the Netherlands home so that the number of actual Dutch-Germans could, theoretically, be some 500.0000) or Indo-Dutch (731.000). Fellow Dutch ("Belgian" Brabanders and Flemish) would also be a huge group as a lot fled north after the First (1585) and Second (1914) Fall of Antwerp. In 1914 some 900.000 Belgians fled (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgen_in_Nederland) to the Netherlands and half of those stayed on after the war. That would give them a real influence over the genetic make-up of the Netherlands, which at that time, would have had a population of to 7 million. Of course, we should not forget that quite a few girls had their war babies with British, American and, particularly, Canadian soldiers (3374 in 1946).

So I'd say that the mixture is probably more like this: Germanic, Walloon, Indo, Spanish, French and Italian. Indeed: like Spain, a very interesting brew ! With Romans, neolithic farmers and hunter-gatherers (https://www.volkskrant.nl/wetenschap/nederlander-stamt-af-van-steentijd-jager~b8f0932c/) and all sorts of Celtic and Germanic tribes staring at us from the background.

[renaissance12]

Persuaded by the jews. Pontius Pilate didn’t want to kill Jesus, but because of the persuasion and the undermining from the Sanhedrin, it wound up happening. Crafty Jews.


You are 101% right..

Who is guilty ?


http://c8.alamy.com/comp/K3HWTP/the-passion-of-christ-jim-caviezel-as-jesus-hristo-shopov-as-pontius-K3HWTP.jpg


Jesus..

http://antyteza.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/pharisees.jpg

[Isleño]

You are 101% right..


http://c8.alamy.com/comp/K3HWTP/the-passion-of-christ-jim-caviezel-as-jesus-hristo-shopov-as-pontius-K3HWTP.jpg
https://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/a-jesus-in-trial-before-the-roman-empire_0.jpg?w=780http://www.jesus-story.net/images/Passion-of-the-Christ.jpg

[Zuh]

A lot Spain is a mestizo (mixed) country too they are of native Iberian Northern africans gypsys and menas . They are no different than Latin america we are mongrels too of European native and black percentages vary per individual.


Being Hispanic means being part of mongrel culture ( Spain)

[Anglojew]

Accusatory inversion!

No. Jesus a Jew was crucified by Roman soldiers at the order of the Roman governor of Judea.

[Anglojew]

Persuaded by the jews. Pontius Pilate didn’t want to kill Jesus, but because of the persuasion and the undermining from the Sanhedrin, it wound up happening. Crafty Jews.

Rubbish. This is just a excuse made up by Roman (Catholics) to excuse their past actions

[renaissance12]

Rubbish. This is just a excuse made up by Roman (Catholics) to excuse their past actions

Jews hate Jesus... They don't want that our savior could save everyone..

[FinalFlash]

Exotic here being different from armenians? Well they do look far from the standard armenoid type:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Mher_Mkrtchyan_2006_post_card_cropped.jpg

Even a dark guy like Nuno Gomes:

https://benfica90.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/img_770x4332017_12_14_02_02_29_1344019.jpg

Armenoid=/=Armenian. Frunzik Mkrtchyan was exotic as hell even for us. And yes, Iberians do look exotic in the sense that a large chunk, if not the majority look very distinct from their neighbors, both in Europe and North Africa. You should be proud of that.

[FinalFlash]

To tell the true i'm not able to tell apart an (average) Italian from a (average ) Spanish and viceversa..

It's quite easy for me to be honest. I would never mistake people like Buffon, Chiellini and Verratti for Spaniards. Italians can have Caucasian or Anatolian vibes, much like Greeks where I can't find these vibes from Iberians. You lot look more 'familiar' to me.

[Isleño]

Rubbish. This is just a excuse made up by Roman (Catholics) to excuse their past actions

Nah, it’s in the Bible. Jews persuaded the Romans to kill Jesus so they could have him put to death. They did so in order to have the blame shifted onto the Romans instead of themselves.

[Anglojew]

Jews hate Jesus... They don't want that our savior could save everyone..

Jesus was king of the Jews

[Anglojew]

Nah, it’s in the Bible. Jews persuaded the Romans to kill Jesus so they could have him put to death. They did so in order to have the blame shifted onto the Romans instead of themselves.

No. The Jewish capital punishment was stoning. Jesus was killed by Romans. Later their descendants attempted to shift blame for Jesus's to the Jewish relatives on Jesus after they became Christians.

[Damião de Góis]

Armenoid=/=Armenian. Frunzik Mkrtchyan was exotic as hell even for us. And yes, Iberians do look exotic in the sense that a large chunk, if not the majority look very distinct from their neighbors, both in Europe and North Africa. You should be proud of that.

Being labeled exotic by an armenian is kind of funny. But it makes sense, you do look exotic to me as well. And "armenoid" has that name for a reason.

[Isleño]

No. The Jewish capital punishment was stoning. Jesus was killed by Romans. Later their descendants attempted to shift blame for Jesus's to the Jewish relatives on Jesus after they became Christians.
It’s in the Bible, bro. The Sahnhedrin trialed Jesus, found him guilty of blasphemy and wanted him put to death. But rather than doing it themselves, which is a mean to shift the blame, they wanted the Romans to do it. They persuaded Pilate to do so by offering up Jesus in favor of death over Barabbas, as they enticed the crowd to choose Barabbas to be freed rather than Jesus. Pontius Pilate saw no reason to bring harm to Jesus. It was the Sanhedrin that pushed the issue. So by this, the Romans crucified Jesus to appease the Sanhedrin and the crowd they influenced. But it came indirectly from the Jews as there would have been no crucifixion without the Sanhedrin’s agenda to have him put to death. And cleverly, they had someone else do it so they could shift the blame away from the Jews, just as you are doing now. You are continuing that legacy enacted by the Sanhedrin thousands of years ago.

This is not some made up story I concocted, this is in the Holy Bible. It’s in scripture.

[FinalFlash]

Being labeled exotic by an armenian is kind of funny. But it makes sense, you do look exotic to me as well. And "armenoid" has that name for a reason.

Well, that doesn't change the fact that you are by far the most exotic looking of all mainstream Euros. Idk why its labeled "Armenoid" considering most people arent even pure Armenoid or one at all. They should come up with a new name for your phenotypes too, like Iberoid for example. It's definitely warranted for you guys in my honest opinion :)

[Damião de Góis]

Well, that doesn't change the fact that you are by far the most exotic looking of all mainstream Euros. They should come up with a new name for your phenotypes too, like Iberoid for example.

From an armenoid perspective? If you say so.
I'm sure i would be seen as exotic in places like Armenia, but i don't think i would in most of Europe.

[FinalFlash]

From an armenoid perspective? If you say so.
I'm sure i would be seen as exotic in places like Armenia, but i don't think i would in most of Europe.

No, you have unique phenotypes that sets you apart from mainstream Europe. You might pass in Spain though.

[Cristiano viejo]

From an armenoid perspective? If you say so.
I'm sure i would be seen as exotic in places like Armenia, but i don't think i would in most of Europe.

Let remember that often Italians are seen as Armenians, what makes this funnier even.

[FinalFlash]

Let remember that often Italians are seen as Armenians, what makes this funnier even.

They do have more overlap with Armenians on average. Spaniards are unique though.

[Damião de Góis]

No, you have unique phenotypes that sets you apart from mainstream Europe. You might pass in Spain though.

An armenoid from America telling me where i can pass. :laugh:

[FinalFlash]

An armenoid from America telling me where i can pass. :laugh:

You say that like I committed a crime. Me being whatever you assume I am isn't going to change objective facts mi amigo :)

[Damião de Góis]

You say that like I committed a crime. Me being whatever you assume I am isn't going to change objective facts mi amigo :)

No no, i find this all pretty funny. :)

[Cristiano viejo]

They do have more overlap with Armenians on average. Spaniards are unique though.

Then it is Italians who have an unique look among Europeans, since no one country else has Armenian-looking people.

[Hadouken]

Then it is Italians who have an unique look among Europeans, since no one country else has Armenian-looking people.

balkans and iberia has too

[FinalFlash]

Then it is Italians who have an unique look among Europeans, since no one country else has Armenian-looking people.

Of course they do. Greeks and Maltese for example. Some Balkan people like Albos and Bulgarians can also vaguely resemble us albeit not to the same level as south euros.

That's also why you're unique. You resemble nobody and nobody resembles you.

[Daco Celtic]

Judging by the DNA results I've seen for Spaniards, a fair amount of them seem to have a bit of North African DNA but this doesn't necessarily mean black, middle-eastern, or “non-white”. It could be Carthaginian DNA for all I know. It's a bit mysterious.














Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle, Using 4 populations approximation:
Danish + Irish + South_Italian + West_German @ 2.292440

Ancestry DNA update:
Ireland and Scotland (Munster, Ireland) Cork 54%, Eastern Europe and Russia 16%, Greece and the Balkans 14%, Germanic Europe 13%, France 3%

[FilhoV]

It’s threats like this that make this place absolute garbage a bunch of faceless trolls with low self-esteem