Atlantid or Alpinid. Which one is more prominent among ethnic French?

[cyberlorian]

Atlantid might be more prominent than Alpinid in my opinion. However, Alpinid is most probably more prominent than North Atlantid.

[cyberlorian]

Anybody?

[Phenix]

Both have the same preponderance. Judging on my personal encounters I would say Atlantid and Atlanto-Med combined are more prevailing specially in South and West France.
French are the most heterogeneous population in Europe.

https://www.tuxboard.com/photos/2011/02/Photo-visage-moyen-francais.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Passing_of_the_Great_Race_-_Map_4.jpg

[jobodwannaa]

French are the most heterogeneous population in Europe.

I don't think they come even close to the level of heterogeneity of Italians, both genetically and phenotypically.

Genetically (there's more distance between a North Italian and a South Italian than between a Brit and a Russian):

https://i.imgur.com/hE2tRPR.png

Phenotypically:

https://i.imgur.com/bC4rLj3.jpg

[Phenix]

I don't think they come even close to the level of heterogeneity of Italians, both genetically and phenotypically.

Genetically (there's more distance between a North Italian and a South Italian than between a Brit and a Russian):

https://i.imgur.com/hE2tRPR.png

Phenotypically:

https://i.imgur.com/bC4rLj3.jpg

In phenotype I think Italians come in second place.
All these guys look French in there own ways.

http://static1.puretrend.com/articles/3/10/50/23/@/1185755-louis-garrel-le-beau-brun-tenebreux-580x0-3.jpg

http://www.katibin.fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/blond-tf1.png

http://s1.lprs1.fr/images/2017/10/27/7358604_76eb9c50-ba76-11e7-9bcb-3663c58b7cc0-1_1000x625.jpg

http://www.paristeam.fr/images/contenu/videos/originales/20130618_guy-roux-veut-un-entraineur-francais.jpg

[jobodwannaa]

In phenotype I think Italians come in second place.
All these guys look French in there own ways.

http://static1.puretrend.com/articles/3/10/50/23/@/1185755-louis-garrel-le-beau-brun-tenebreux-580x0-3.jpg

http://www.katibin.fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/blond-tf1.png

http://s1.lprs1.fr/images/2017/10/27/7358604_76eb9c50-ba76-11e7-9bcb-3663c58b7cc0-1_1000x625.jpg

http://www.paristeam.fr/images/contenu/videos/originales/20130618_guy-roux-veut-un-entraineur-francais.jpg

Is that guy in the fist pic the most exotic Frenchman you could find? With that big-ass Cro-Magnon jaw? ;)
Anyway, the third guy, De Pretto, has a Venetian surname.

Now take a look at these 3 Italians (left and right are are from Veneto, northern Italy, center is from Naples, southern Italy):

https://i.imgur.com/3oyOv9E.png

Or these 2 (left from Veneto, right from Calabria):

https://i.imgur.com/mohBy9I.jpg

I think Italians have undoubtedly more diversity.

[Phenix]

Is that guy in the fist pic the most exotic Frenchman you could find? With that big-ass Cro-Magnon jaw? ;)
Anyway, the third guy, De Pretto, has a Venetian surname.

Now take a look at these 3 Italians (left and right are are from Veneto, northern Italy, center is from Naples, southern Italy):

https://i.imgur.com/3oyOv9E.png

Or these 2 (left from Veneto, right from Calabria):

https://i.imgur.com/mohBy9I.jpg

I think Italians have undoubtedly more diversity.

No one in my examples is exotic, they are all typical Frenchman depending on their ancestral regions while yours don't look Italian at all (both blonds and brunets).
Plus, the redhead i've shown you (idk this guy) look Breton like the nationalist militant Boris Le Lay.

https://yt3.ggpht.com/a-/AN66SAxbwcwUQ6dEbbh8RgsFnpaV7aU63zhHpM75=s900-mo-c-c0xffffffff-rj-k-no

I'll give that Italians have more extreme phenotype, the brown guys look more Maghrebi than i do and the blonds resemble to Germans.
But you seem to confound extreme and variety which are not interchangeable.

[Septentrion]

Anybody?

The Western Alpinid phenotype forms the basic racial type in France. This has been known ever since anthropology disciplines started!

[jobodwannaa]

No one in my examples is exotic, they are all typical Frenchman depending on their ancestral regions while yours don't look Italian at all (both blonds and brunets).
You seem to confound extreme and variety which are not interchangeable.

I think you're not very familiar with Italian phenotypes. It seems you're implying that if you took these 'extremes' out, every other Italian, from North to South, will look the same, when in fact genetics shows that there are 4-5 distinct populations in Italy that don't really cluster together, and all these different genotypes translate into different phenotypes, naturally.

Take these kids from a single southern Italian town, Pescara (Abruzzo):

https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/SPINELLI-MAURO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/MONGELLI-ALESSANDRO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/PIERDOMENICO-ALESSIO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/MAMMARELLA-LORENZO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/SCOPINO-ROBERTO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/LA-BARBA-JACOPO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/RIZZACASA-JACOPO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/PANUNZIO-ALESSANDRO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/VEROLI-DAVIDE.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/BOZZOLINI-SIMONE.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/CLAUDIO-UGO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/CACCIAGRANO-RICCARDO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/GRILLO-FILIPPO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/MAZZARULLI-MATTIA.jpg

[jobodwannaa]

https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/SABATINO-GABRIELE.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/IOCCO-SIMONE.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/SALVATORE-MANUEL.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/DAMARIO-LORENZO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/SULPIZIO-EMMANUEL.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/SERVALLI-ALESSANDRO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/ABETE-GIOVANNI.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/GALLETTI-RICCARDO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/DASCENZO-DAVID.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/DE-FAZIO-ANTONIO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/CONSALVI-STEFANO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/GAROFALO-CARLO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/MORELLI-NICOLO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/DEZIO-SAMUELE.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/PALERMO-RICCARDO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/MIANI-FRANCESCO-2.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/GASBARRO-LORENZO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/LUCIANO-DIEGO.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/BISCONTI-MATHILDA.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/FARCHIONE-ASIA-1.jpg
https://www.pescaracalcio.com/seriea/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/AMMAZZALORSO-LUDOVICA.jpg

[Sebastianus Rex]

Alpinids are far more frequent except in the west.

[Latinus]

I don't think they come even close to the level of heterogeneity of Italians, both genetically and phenotypically.

Genetically (there's more distance between a North Italian and a South Italian than between a Brit and a Russian):

https://i.imgur.com/hE2tRPR.png

Phenotypically:

https://i.imgur.com/bC4rLj3.jpg

Sorry, but that ugly blonde Albino is not a typical Northern Italian, not at all. Same for the pseudo Brazilian pardo representing Southern Italy.
Are you trolling?

[gıulıoımpa]

overall equal with alpinid peaking in the southeast and atlantid in he northwest

[jobodwannaa]

Sorry, but that ugly blonde Albino is not a typical Northern Italian, not at all. Same for the pseudo Brazilian pardo representing Southern Italy.
Are you trolling?

He's not albino, and the pardo is an actual Sicilian. I never said they are typical, and if you wanna know the distance between the averages, look at the map i posted. The genetic distance (and therefore phenotypical, unless you wanna claim that the phenotype is unrelated to genes and it's given by God) between a Lombard and a Sicilian is bigger than that between a Romanian and a Scot. Lombards are closer to Germans than they are to Sicilians, and Sicilians are closer to some Turks than they are to Lombards.

[Phenix]

I think you're not very familiar with Italian phenotypes. It seems you're implying that if you took these 'extremes' out, every other Italian, from North to South, will look the same, when in fact genetics shows that there are 4-5 distinct populations in Italy that don't really cluster together, and all these different genotypes translate into different phenotypes, naturally.

False supposition, I'm familiar with Italians.
Let me reexplain to you my point of view:
I think that Italians have a wider range of phenotypes but the French got more sizable proportions of each autochthonous variety.
Just being logical, France has more foreign influences than any other European country, it's population account more than 20% of Non-Europeans and almost as much Euros immigrants, the French society has an assimilationist model.
Plus France is home to more regional ethnic minorities than Italy, additionally French are divided into 3 ethno-linguistic components (Oil, Oc, and Franco-Provencal).
And to finish my reasoning I must point that in the popular imaginary Italians do have significant common traits while French don't.
Thank you for your time i wish you can help me more if i'm wrong.

[Latinus]

He's not albino, and the pardo is an actual Sicilian. I never said they are typical, and if you wanna know the distance between the averages, look at the map i posted. The genetic distance (and therefore phenotypical, unless you wanna claim that the phenotype is unrelated to genes and it's given by God) between a Lombard and a Sicilian it's bigger than that between a Romanian and a Scot. Lombards are closer to Germans than they are to Sicilians, and Sicilians are closer to some Turks than they are to Lombards.

I know he is not an albino. I just called him "Albino" because the combination of his skintone + hair colour is repulsive/ugly just like an albino's. I said pseudo pardo. He doesn't look Sicilian to me at all.
Yep, I'm aware that Italy is genetically/phenotypically heterogenous and that you wanted to show that that country produce extreme phenotypes.
Italy phenotypes/genotypes differ by region, but when untanned they don't look that diferent and brown eyes/hair predominate from North to South + islands.

[Papastratosels26]

Alpinid imo

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[jobodwannaa]

Plus France is home to more regional ethnic minorities than Italy, additionally French are divided into 3 ethno-linguistic components (Oil, Oc, and Franco-Provencal).
And to finish my reasoning I must point that in the popular imaginary Italians do have significant common traits while French don't.
Thank you for your time i wish you can help me more if i'm wrong.

You're completely ignorant about the language diversity in Italy then. In my area we speak a Western Romance language, more akin to French than to Sicilian.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Romance-lg-classification-en.svg

This is the language of my area (Emilia-Romagna):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGECwl79Vk0

This is Piedmontese, which is closer to Occitan than it is to Tuscan, the base of standard Italian:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zofiWgTSGR0

This is the Venetian variety spoken in Trieste:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZItz2uKXUo

And i'm seriously baffled by the fact that you genuinely think that you're familiar with Italians (when you have probably only known Neapolitan or Calabrese diaspora, it's always them) and you don't even know that Occitan and Franco-Provencal are both spoken in Italy, North and South:

https://rickzullo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/11-linguistic-map-Italy.png


And to finish my reasoning I must point that in the popular imaginary Italians do have significant common traits while French don't.

The popular imaginary Italians are Italo-Americans who are overwhelmingly Southerners.

[Phenix]

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No man, I'm not ignorant, and you are getting a little bit arrogant.
I'm aware of the linguistic and cultural diversity of Italy, I even posted the same maps and videos like these in other threads. I'am doing a step to understand you so be someway comprehensive.
France is home to native Romance, Celtic, Germanic, and even Basque languages, there is nothing comparable with French melting-pot in Europe (except for Russia because it's transcontinental).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Langues_de_la_France.svg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubGjasm63Y0

[ScaredGirl11]

Atlantid might be more prominent than Alpinid in my opinion. However, Alpinid is most probably more prominent than North Atlantid.

Alpinid, of course

[ScaredGirl11]

Sorry, but that ugly blonde Albino is not a typical Northern Italian, not at all. Same for the pseudo Brazilian pardo representing Southern Italy.
Are you trolling?

lol that blond is more handsome than you most of guys you will see in your dailylife