Do they pass better as a group in Spain, Italy or France?

[Sp_loa]

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[SterlingArcher]

Spain

[Sp_loa]

Spain

Better in a specific part of the country?

[SterlingArcher]

Im quite the noob so Im not sure

[gıulıoımpa]

to be honest i think they would pass better in italy over spain and france. but among the two they pass in spain well

[Sp_loa]

to be honest i think they would pass better in italy over spain and france. but among the two they pass in spain well

What part/s of Italy/Spain?

[FilhoV]

Spain

[Sp_loa]

Spain

Any specific part? (North/South/Basque/East...)

[MysteriousWays]

I agree with Italy. Also, they'd pass perfectly well in either my Bulgarian Sephardic or Ashkenazi halves.

[Sp_loa]

I agree with Italy. Also, they'd pass perfectly well in either my Bulgarian Sephardic or Ashkenazi halves.

South/Central/Northern Italy?

[gıulıoımpa]

What part/s of Italy/Spain?

northern spain - central italy/northern italy

[MysteriousWays]

Central Italy is best fit IMO.

[MysteriousWays]

South/Central/Northern Italy?

Central best IMO. It's hard to split up Spain into regions (genetically and phenotypically, the variation is not a lot). To the extent that there is variation, it s more eastern/western than northern/southern,a nd I'd say they fit better in eastern.

[Sp_loa]

Central best IMO. It's hard to split up Spain into regions (genetically and phenotypically, the variation is not a lot). To the extent that there is variation, it s more eastern/western than northern/southern,a nd I'd say they fit better in eastern.

I think some have Catalan roots if it worth anything lol. Tho my European side in general is closest to Cantabria.

[GabrielZ]

They all look american. West France and North Spain. Côte d'Argent.

[Sp_loa]

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[CommonSense]

Spain for sure. Wide faces are common in Iberia.

[Kamal900]

As Spanish in my opinion.

[Sp_loa]

Spain for sure. Wide faces are common in Iberia.

I always thought the opposite because Atlanto-Med and Baskid are very long faced and Alpinid seem to be more common in France.
But I haven’t been in Spain yet.

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[CommonSense]

I always thought the opposite because Atlanto-Med and Baskid are very long faced and Alpinid seem to be more common in France.
But I haven’t been in Spain yet.

I haven't been there either, even though I've always wanted to. Alpines and Berids seem very common among Iberian women, based on all the photos I've seen posted here. Still, they would pass in France and Italy just fine.

[guezet]

Spain, quite easily. But to some extent also in France.

[Sp_loa]

Spain, quite easily. But to some extent also in France.
Would you say-
1. Spain
2. North Italy
3. France

Or
1. Spain
2. France
3. North Italy

Or
1. North Italy
2. Spain
3. France

[redeyednewt]

The women in that picture look like they could be from Italy, Spain, or France.

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[StonyArabia]

Spain

[Sp_loa]

Spain

In general would Spain be your first guess? or other country?

[StonyArabia]

In general would Spain be your first guess? or other country?

If it was an other country I would say Italy than France

[Sp_loa]

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[Bulb]

Spain

[Sikeliot]

Spain
but not sure where

[Sp_loa]

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No one else?

[Cristiano viejo]

Andalusia.

[Sp_loa]

Andalusia.

In real life many people guessed Catalan/Castillian. But I guess Andalucians aren’t that different.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Equally well in Spain and France imo.

[Sp_loa]

Equally well in Spain and France imo.

Probably Southern France? Any specific area in Spain they pass best?

[Hithaeglir]

Italy (Central,North)

[Sebastianus Rex]

Probably Southern France? Any specific area in Spain they pass best?

No, it's a bit pointless making those internal divisions nowadays, for many decades there's been huge internal migrations.

[alnortedelsur]

They pass better in Italy and Spain than in France, but not as typical.

[Sp_loa]

They pass better in Italy and Spain than in France, but not as typical.

I’ve seen some similar phenotypes in Aragon, tho I am not sure how common they are in Spain. Not a single one of them looks Southern Italian to me though.

[Brian O'Conner]

All of them

[Sp_loa]

All of them

What do you mean? They pass equally well in all 5 options?

[Brian O'Conner]

What do you mean? They pass equally well in all 5 options?

Yes

[Erronkari]

They pass in Italy and Iberia, but to be more specific, better in northern/central-northern Spain, probably Castilla La Vieja.

[Cristiano viejo]

They pass in Italy and Iberia, but to be more specific, better in northern/central-northern Spain, probably Castilla La Vieja.

Castilla la Vieja rules.

[Sp_loa]

They pass in Italy and Iberia, but to be more specific, better in northern/central-northern Spain, probably Castilla La Vieja.

Interesting you say this because according to the K36 similarity map, if you look only at my European part, it’s closest to Cantabria.

[Erronkari]

Interesting you say this because according to the K36 similarity map, if you look only at my European part, it’s closest to Cantabria.

Yes. It's curious but I've seen that genetically, Cantabria seems really close of Aragón in K36 but also in K15. Other Iberian regions (included Portugal) are close too though, except the basques. They plot a little far, probably because they lived in isolated conditions for a long time, even though their Iberian origin is a fact or almost.
And also it's interesting to see that North Italians are genetically close with Iberians but they are totally disconnected with central-southern and southern italians, who are closer of greeks and sephardic and ashkenazi jews if I remember correctly.
I remember the first time I perceived the last item I felt really confused but apparently it's a fact.
Even though calculators don't totally match.
For example, in my case, my genetic cluster is localed in Aquitaine (south-west France) according K36, in Aragón according K15 and in northern-Castilla according Dodecad 12b.

[Sp_loa]

Yes. It's curious but I've seen that genetically, Cantabria seems really close of Aragón in K36 but also in K15. Other Iberian regions (included Portugal) are close too though, except the basques. They plot a little far, probably because they lived in isolated conditions for a long time, even though their Iberian origin is a fact or almost.
And also it's interesting to see that North Italians are genetically close with Iberians but they are totally disconnected with central-southern and southern italians, who are closer of greeks and sephardic and ashkenazi jews if I remember correctly.
I remember the first time I perceived the last item I felt really confused but apparently it's a fact.
Even though calculators don't totally match.
For example, in my case, my genetic cluster is localed in Aquitaine (south-west France) according K36, in Aragón according K15 and in northern-Castilla according Dodecad 12b.

My Iberian K36 similarity results if I remember right-

1. 66 = Northern Spain (Cantabria)
2. 60 = Aragon, Valencia
3. 59 = Castile, Andalusia
4. 58 = Cataluña, Galicia

5. 55= Portugal

[Sp_loa]

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[Tauromachos]

Regio Calabria

[Thot Whisperer]

They pass in Italy and Iberia, but to be more specific, better in northern/central-northern Spain, probably Castilla La Vieja.

Did you know Jolsonaro was heather’s sock account? Just asking because you said you’ve met him in person.

[guezet]

Yes. It's curious but I've seen that genetically, Cantabria seems really close of Aragón in K36 but also in K15. Other Iberian regions (included Portugal) are close too though, except the basques. They plot a little far, probably because they lived in isolated conditions for a long time, even though their Iberian origin is a fact or almost.
And also it's interesting to see that North Italians are genetically close with Iberians but they are totally disconnected with central-southern and southern italians, who are closer of greeks and sephardic and ashkenazi jews if I remember correctly.
I remember the first time I perceived the last item I felt really confused but apparently it's a fact.
Even though calculators don't totally match.
For example, in my case, my genetic cluster is localed in Aquitaine (south-west France) according K36, in Aragón according K15 and in northern-Castilla according Dodecad 12b.

i think the whole picture is more complicated

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cIp5BLk9eJg/W4rMMoLjavI/AAAAAAAAAA4/NrZw6X9lhtQvHvMh-LyLt5-aMGuxQvguQCLcBGAs/s1600/Euro%2BPCA%2BEurogenes%2BK15.jpg

[The Blade]

Spain in general, in my opinion.

[Erronkari]

i think the whole picture is more complicated

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cIp5BLk9eJg/W4rMMoLjavI/AAAAAAAAAA4/NrZw6X9lhtQvHvMh-LyLt5-aMGuxQvguQCLcBGAs/s1600/Euro%2BPCA%2BEurogenes%2BK15.jpg

Good point. I agree!

[Erronkari]

Did you know Jolsonaro was heather’s sock account? Just asking because you said you’ve met him in person.

Hmm... just not in person, but in Facebook... really is the same person?? I thought Heathers was from Rio de Janeiro and Jolsonaro from Rio Grande do Sul... in that case I am a total dumb... :picard1:

[Thot Whisperer]

Hmm... just not in person, but in Facebook... really is the same person?? I thought Heathers was from Rio de Janeiro and Jolsonaro from Rio Grande do Sul... in that case I am a total dumb... :picard1:

Check out the banning thread, they said he was heathers sock account. Are you sure you really met him in person? Hope your not offended the whole thing just sounds fucking crazy man.

[Erronkari]

Check out the banning thread, they said he was heathers sock account. Are you sure you really met him in person? Hope your not offended the whole thing just sounds fucking crazy man.

No, mate, in person it's impossible, I live 800 miles from Rio Grande do Sul, if he lives there, and if he lives in Rio de Janeiro, more than 1700 from there.
I just met him in Fb.
And about Heathers, I've never seen a picture of him.