Can you help me understand my GEDmatch results, Northern Greek.

[dosas]

Hello,

I've recently done a DNA test with myheritage.com and got the following results:

80626

As far as I know, my grandparents, from my father's side, were both Greek Thracians, and Pontic Greeks (from Trebizond) from my mother's side. Myself, I was born in Drama, in the Eastern Macedonia+Thrace province.

I've ran the GEDmatch calculators and got the following:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.72
2 West_Asian 24.09
3 West_Med 15.54
4 Baltic 12.26
5 North_Atlantic 11.49
6 Red_Sea 2.78
7 Oceanian 1.66


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.



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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Central_Greek @ 12.303870
2 Turkish @ 13.496411
3 East_Sicilian @ 13.762565
4 South_Italian @ 14.538377
5 Ashkenazi @ 15.751870
6 Italian_Abruzzo @ 15.801097
7 Greek_Thessaly @ 16.824123
8 Cyprian @ 17.121294
9 Lebanese_Muslim @ 18.057819
10 Sephardic_Jewish @ 18.599228
11 West_Sicilian @ 18.795542
12 Azeri @ 18.796793
13 Algerian_Jewish @ 19.801777
14 Italian_Jewish @ 19.858883
15 Syrian @ 19.956097
16 Assyrian @ 20.442816
17 Georgian_Jewish @ 20.918570
18 Tunisian_Jewish @ 20.987713
19 Armenian @ 21.542414
20 Libyan_Jewish @ 21.718641

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian +50% Bulgarian @ 3.792390


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +25% Lezgin +25% Romanian @ 3.616960


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Abhkasian + Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.049273
2 Bulgarian + Georgian + Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.276510
3 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Cyprian + Lezgin @ 3.315249
4 Abhkasian + Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + Cyprian @ 3.355600
5 Armenian + Assyrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian @ 3.358838
6 Armenian + Assyrian + Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly @ 3.438683
7 Bulgarian + Chechen + Cyprian + Cyprian @ 3.485752
8 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + Cyprian + Georgian @ 3.504012
9 Abhkasian + Ashkenazi + Cyprian + Romanian @ 3.510834
10 Armenian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.521080
11 Adygei + Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian @ 3.531193
12 Abhkasian + Algerian_Jewish + Croatian + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.547785
13 Abhkasian + Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Druze + Romanian @ 3.556978
14 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Georgian + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.579327
15 Adygei + Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.584449
16 Armenian + Bulgarian + Georgian_Jewish + Greek_Thessaly @ 3.590210
17 Abhkasian + Croatian + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.591142
18 Abhkasian + Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Christian @ 3.616294
19 Cyprian + Cyprian + Lezgin + Romanian @ 3.616960
20 Abhkasian + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Moldavian @ 3.627387


MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 43.83
2 European_Early_Farmers 16.87
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 13.63
4 Near_East 10.12
5 South_Central_Asian 8.23
6 Ancestral_Altaic 2.05
7 North_African 1.83
8 Melano_Polynesian 1.25


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Azov_Greek_ @ 4.962101
2 Greek_ @ 6.315988
3 Cretan_ @ 6.700156
4 Greek_Athens_ @ 6.723561
5 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 7.000169
6 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ @ 7.089804
7 Italian_South_ @ 8.071345
8 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 8.183583
9 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 8.491619
10 Romanian_Jew_ @ 8.661969
11 Turk_Balikesir_ @ 8.848803
12 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 8.979647
13 Turk_Istanbul_ @ 9.161957
14 Central_Greek_ @ 9.224621
15 Greek_Islands_ @ 9.746237
16 Turk_Aydin_ @ 10.258594
17 Ashkenazi_ @ 10.279922
18 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 10.849737
19 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 11.445149
20 Sicilian_Center_ @ 11.637733

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cretan_ +50% Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ @ 2.455513


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Peloponnesos_ +25% Greek_Phokaia_ +25% Kakheti_ @ 1.841956


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Armenian_ + Azov_Greek_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.429725
2 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Azov_Greek_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Kosovar_ @ 1.456849
3 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Central_Greek_ + Gagauz_ + Greek_Smyrna_ @ 1.485941
4 Armenian_ + Gagauz_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Greek_Smyrna_ @ 1.532653
5 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Central_Greek_ + Gagauz_ + Greek_Islands_ @ 1.555079
6 Armenian_ + Azov_Greek_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Phokaia_ @ 1.564174
7 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Macedonian_ @ 1.569936
8 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Central_Greek_ + Greek_ + Greek_Macedonia_ @ 1.578033
9 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Gagauz_ + Greek_Islands_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 1.578217
10 Albanian_Tirana_ + Armenian_ + Azov_Greek_ + Greek_Phokaia_ @ 1.581791
11 Assyrian_Arzni_ + Azov_Greek_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Kosovar_ @ 1.624177
12 Armenian_ + Azov_Greek_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Kosovar_ @ 1.632812
13 Assyrian_Arzni_ + Central_Greek_ + Gagauz_ + Greek_Smyrna_ @ 1.636664
14 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Azov_Greek_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.643031
15 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Bulgarian_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Greek_Smyrna_ @ 1.653194
16 Armenian_ + Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Greek_Phokaia_ @ 1.661012
17 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Greek_ + Greek_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 1.663242
18 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Croat_ + Greek_Islands_ + Greek_Islands_ @ 1.663577
19 Armenian_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Macedonian_ @ 1.670765
20 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Greek_ + Greek_Islands_ + Macedonian_ @ 1.680851


Dodecad V3 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 33.20
2 Mediterranean 31.23
3 West_European 16.05
4 East_European 9.19
5 Southwest_Asian 7.52
6 Northwest_African 1.01


Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 12.297010
2 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 12.452304
3 Turkish_Dodecad @ 13.289861
4 Greek_Dodecad @ 15.533055
5 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 16.685202
6 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 17.432043
7 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 18.221880
8 Turks_Behar @ 18.361612
9 S_Italian_Dodecad @ 18.689438
10 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 19.247105
11 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 19.486378
12 Stalskoe_Xing @ 19.788708
13 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 20.473413
14 Kurd_Xing @ 20.484766
15 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar @ 20.906769
16 Tuscan_Xing @ 21.173817
17 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 21.226992
18 Kurd_Dodecad @ 21.302378
19 Cypriots_Behar @ 21.479828
20 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 21.520365

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Dodecad +50% Stalskoe_Xing @ 4.856497


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian_Dodecad +25% Hungarians_Behar +25% O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.019562


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++
1 Balkans_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 0.551521
2 Georgians_Behar + Lebanese_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_14_Behar @ 0.900840
3 Balkans_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Lebanese_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP @ 1.307874
4 Balkans_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.331931
5 Georgians_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad + Palestinian_HGDP + Romanians_14_Behar @ 1.387338
6 Balkans_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Lebanese_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.454138
7 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Balkans_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.511499
8 Balkans_Dodecad + Cypriots_Behar + Lezgins_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.572812
9 Georgians_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_14_Behar + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.573260
10 Balkans_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + Syrians_Behar @ 1.594711
11 Georgians_Behar + Lebanese_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + Romanians_14_Behar @ 1.597758
12 Armenians_16_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Turkish_Dodecad + Slovenian_Xing @ 1.600777
13 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Balkans_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.620814
14 Georgians_Behar + Hungarians_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Tuscan_HGDP @ 1.629253
15 Adygei_HGDP + Romanians_14_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Tuscan_HGDP @ 1.649855
16 Balkans_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + Palestinian_HGDP @ 1.668164
17 Adygei_HGDP + Cypriots_Behar + Hungarians_Behar + S_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.672189
18 Armenians_16_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad + Turkish_Dodecad + Slovenian_Xing @ 1.685945
19 Armenians_16_Behar + Hungarians_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Turkish_Dodecad @ 1.686606
20 Georgians_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + Romanians_14_Behar + Syrians_Behar @ 1.687086


puntDNAL K15 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 33.77
2 Caucasian 31.11
3 NE_European 22.56
4 SW_Asian 8.62
5 Horn_Of_Africa 1.99
6 Oceanian 1.09


Finished reading population data. 157 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Central @ 10.385370
2 Ashkenazy_Jew @ 11.680965
3 Sicilian @ 11.960274
4 Sephardic_Jew @ 12.304503
5 Greek_Thessaly @ 13.112214
6 Tuscan @ 14.163398
7 Albanian @ 15.494196
8 Turk_Kayseri @ 16.409765
9 Cypriot @ 19.535954
10 Lebanese @ 20.750996
11 Italian @ 21.824327
12 Kurdish @ 21.830177
13 Palestinian @ 22.004629
14 Montenegrin @ 22.095118
15 Turk_Istanbul @ 22.708975
16 Assyrian @ 22.973787
17 Bulgarian @ 23.193283
18 Chechen @ 23.434235
19 Armenian @ 23.680918
20 Romanian @ 23.975952

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Montenegrin +50% Armenian @ 1.660039


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Romanian +25% Abkhasian +25% Samaritian @ 1.244591


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++
1 Macedonian + Montenegrin + Abkhasian + Samaritian @ 1.191185
2 Romanian + Bulgarian + Abkhasian + Samaritian @ 1.214833
3 Serbian + Albanian + Abkhasian + Samaritian @ 1.218082
4 Romanian + Romanian + Abkhasian + Samaritian @ 1.244591
5 French + Greek_Thessaly + Abkhasian + Samaritian @ 1.248690
6 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Abkhasian + Samaritian @ 1.257928
7 Scottish + Sicilian + Armenian + Assyrian @ 1.270177
8 Bosnian + Italian + Abkhasian + Samaritian @ 1.270295
9 North_German + Sicilian + Armenian + Assyrian @ 1.281360
10 Hungarian + Albanian + Georgian + Samaritian @ 1.294260
11 Austrian + Albanian + Georgian + Samaritian @ 1.298720
12 South_German + Greek_Central + Abkhasian + Samaritian @ 1.305152
13 Macedonian + Bulgarian + Abkhasian + Samaritian @ 1.324055
14 Norwegian + Sicilian + Armenian + Assyrian @ 1.336076
15 French + Greek_Central + Abkhasian + Samaritian @ 1.343893
16 Croatian + Albanian + Georgian + Samaritian @ 1.347527
17 Macedonian + Romanian + Abkhasian + Samaritian @ 1.373314
18 Polish + Sicilian + Georgian + Samaritian @ 1.382196
19 Macedonian + Italian + Abkhasian + Samaritian @ 1.399037
20 Croatian + Tuscan + Abkhasian + Samaritian @ 1.402291


Can you help me interpret these results? Why do I get so mixed results from different calculators? Which is the right one?



Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much, in advance.

[kleenex]

MDLP K23 looks pretty good. The Caucasus is higher than a mainland Greek (particularly a Northern Greek) so I"m guessing you have minor Pontic Greek (possibly?) admixture. The other calculators seem to have the first population at a distance which typically signifies some sort of ethnic admixture.

[dosas]

Thanks for the reply. Does that mean I need to look at mixed 2-3-4 rather than single?

I've also run the morleydna calculator for the Y-SNP and it gave me the R1b1a2:R1b-L265 (R1b-M269, R1b-M520) as the one that's the most likely. Does that make any sense?

[Sikeliot]

MDLP K23 looks pretty good. The Caucasus is higher than a mainland Greek (particularly a Northern Greek) so I"m guessing you have minor Pontic Greek (possibly?) admixture. The other calculators seem to have the first population at a distance which typically signifies some sort of ethnic admixture.

He said his mother is Pontic Greek, and it shows.

He can be modeled as half Assyrian (essentially his Pontic side) and half Bulgarian (essentially his Thracian side).

[Rgvgjhvv]

Thanks for the reply. Does that mean I need to look at mixed 2-3-4 rather than single?

I've also run the morleydna calculator for the Y-SNP and it gave me the R1b1a2:R1b-L265 (R1b-M269, R1b-M520) as the one that's the most likely. Does that make any sense?

Your results seem typical on paper from your reported ancestry, and in comparison to mine.

[dosas]

He said his mother is Pontic Greek, and it shows.

He can be modeled as half Assyrian (essentially his Pontic side) and half Bulgarian (essentially his Thracian side).

I don't think that's true, the Bulgarian part. My dad's family was never able to speak/understand Bulgarian and they were heavily persecuted by them (they were the ones that turned them into refugees). According to their village's narrative (Ortakioi, current Ivaylovgrad), they were from Epirus and Trikala and were moved to Thrace, by the Sultan, in the 17th century to build a mosque.

[Kaspias]

I recommend to you test your thracian side.

Congrats!

[Sikeliot]

I don't think that's true, the Bulgarian part. My dad's family was never able to speak/understand Bulgarian and they were heavily persecuted by them (they were the ones that turned them into refugees). According to their village's narrative (Ortakioi, current Ivaylovgrad), they were from Epirus and Trikala and were moved to Thrace, by the Sultan, in the 17th century to build a mosque.

But northern Greeks are genetically close to Bulgarians, even with differences. Doesn't mean they are of Bulgarian descent.

The Assyrian coming through, is clearly from your Pontic side, as Pontic people lived in the Caucasus and Black Sea area.

[Rgvgjhvv]

I don't think that's true, the Bulgarian part. My dad's family was never able to speak/understand Bulgarian and they were heavily persecuted by them (they were the ones that turned them into refugees). According to their village's narrative (Ortakioi, current Ivaylovgrad), they were from Epirus and Trikala and were moved to Thrace, by the Sultan, in the 17th century to build a mosque.

Ya he's not saying you're Bulgarian or Assyrian. We know you are 0% of either of those and 100% Greek. What he means is Greeks from those regions plot closer to those populations he mentioned. So you might be similar genetically to someone who was 50% Bulgarian and 50% Assyrian. Though I would need to see an example of proof before agreeing with that or not.

But anyway, he's just using it as comparison sake.

[Sikeliot]

Ya he's not saying you're Bulgarian or Assyrian. We know you are 0% of either of those and 100% Greek. What he means is Greeks from those regions plot closer to those populations he mentioned. So you might be similar genetically to someone who was 50% Bulgarian and 50% Assyrian. Though I would need to see an example of proof before agreeing with that or not.

But anyway, he's just using it as comparison sake.


I am actually saying that his Pontic side is likely close to Assyrians, and his Thracian side to Bulgarians, and his result is the average of two very divergent, genetically almost unrelated Greek groups.

[Livin]

K13 Oracle scores Turkish....

[Livin]

Your results are normal For Your ancestry, even if I am not founding my heritage as an accurate dna test.

Thracians and Pontians are not greeks from genetics side but hellenizedThis is Why you score west Asia!!!!

[Kaspias]

I am actually saying that his Pontic side is likely close to Assyrians, and his Thracian side to Bulgarians, and his result is the average of two very divergent, genetically almost unrelated Greek groups.

Pontics have nothing to do with Assyrians? They're similar with Anatolian Turks but they don't carry east eurasia admixture.

This seems more accurate than assyrian;
1 50% Montenegrin +50% Armenian @ 1.660039

[Sikeliot]

Pontics have nothing to do with Assyrians?


They do, indirectly. Both groups are genetically very similar to Armenians.

[Coolguy1]

Please post Dodecad k12b

[Rgvgjhvv]

I am actually saying that his Pontic side is likely close to Assyrians, and his Thracian side to Bulgarians, and his result is the average of two very divergent, genetically almost unrelated Greek groups.

That's another way of saying what I said haha. I was trying to clarify that you're not telling the guy he's suddenly a Bulgarian Assyrian lol.

[Livin]

Pontics have nothing to do with Assyrians? They're similar with Anatolian Turks but they don't carry east eurasia admixture.

This seems more accurate than assyrian;
1 50% Montenegrin +50% Armenian @ 1.660039

Pontic Greeks sharing pretty much same populations with Armenians and Assyrians thats Why The clushter together.

Anatolian Turks are pretty much The same but due to Central asian admixture they coming closer to azeris etc.

[Sikeliot]

That's another way of saying what I said haha. I was trying to clarify that you're not telling the guy he's suddenly a Bulgarian Assyrian lol.

Yes. The most common sense way of viewing it is:

- Northern Greeks plot similarly to Bulgarians but more "southern"
- Peloponnesians to Albania and Central/South Italy
- Aegean islands/Crete to Sicily and far south Italy
- Cypriots between South Italy and Levant
- Pontians close to Armenians and Assyrians

But despite this all having common religion/language.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Yes. The most common sense way of viewing it is:

- Northern Greeks plot similarly to Bulgarians but more "southern"
- Peloponnesians to Albania and Central/South Italy
- Aegean islands/Crete to Sicily and far south Italy
- Cypriots between South Italy and Levant
- Pontians close to Armenians and Assyrians

But despite this all having common religion/language.

Well also having in common is Greek DNA as well. Geographic location moves that % up or down, depending where you are and will plot you one way or the other. Same thing can be plotted and described in Italy as well.

[dosas]

Thank you all for replying to my thread, I am still trying to figure these calculators out.


I recommend to you test your thracian side.

Congrats!

You mean have my dad tested? Any other way to test that side, somehow?


Please post Dodecad k12b

Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 41.36
2 Atlantic_Med 19.24
3 North_European 17.76
4 Southwest_Asian 9.83
5 Gedrosia 9.38
6 Northwest_African 1.39


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 11.055976
2 Greek_Dodecad @ 11.669734
3 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 12.554720
4 Turkish_Dodecad @ 12.754373
5 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 14.026987
6 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 14.488973
7 Turks_Behar @ 15.350605
8 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 16.631971
9 Cypriots_Behar @ 17.801323
10 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 18.765526
11 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 20.018244
12 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 20.863104
13 Lebanese_Behar @ 21.424795
14 Kumyks_Yunusbayev @ 21.636507
15 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 22.069841
16 Tuscan_HGDP @ 22.290522
17 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 22.855318
18 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 22.889095
19 TSI30_Metspalu @ 23.910837
20 Druze_HGDP @ 24.019218

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian_Dodecad +50% Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 3.050662


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenians_Behar +25% Ashkenazi_Dodecad +25% German_Dodecad @ 1.541624


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Druze_HGDP + German_Dodecad + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 0.824292
2 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Druze_HGDP + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 0.955941
3 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Druze_HGDP + German_Dodecad + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 0.961213
4 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Druze_HGDP + Dutch_Dodecad @ 0.961839
5 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Druze_HGDP + Dutch_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar @ 1.036341
6 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Druze_HGDP + Dutch_Dodecad @ 1.047651
7 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Druze_HGDP + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 1.104880
8 Bulgarian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad + Syrians_Behar @ 1.107328
9 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Georgians_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad + Syrians_Behar @ 1.190409
10 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Druze_HGDP + Dutch_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar @ 1.195214
11 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Lebanese_Behar + Romanians_Behar + TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.243805
12 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Lebanese_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.256747
13 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Lebanese_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP @ 1.321897
14 Georgians_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.323267
15 Bulgarian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Lebanese_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.339849
16 Georgians_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar + Syrians_Behar @ 1.341131
17 Bulgarian_Dodecad + Chechens_Yunusbayev + Cypriots_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.356403
18 Georgians_Behar + Lebanese_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar @ 1.359949
19 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + CEU30_1000Genomes + Druze_HGDP + Georgians_Behar @ 1.406904
20 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + British_Isles_Dodecad + Druze_HGDP + Georgians_Behar @ 1.431509

[Rgvgjhvv]

Thank you all for replying to my thread, I am still trying to figure these calculators out.


The categories you see displayed in your GEDMatch results such as Caucasus, Atlantic, East Med, Baltic , etc etc is not something you take literally. As in it doesn't mean you have anceatry from Northern Europe, the Red sea area, etc. Think of them more as certain ethnic groups have certain formulas which make up the average. So that's where the distances come in when you see the single and mixed mode population results. The smaller the distance, the more related you are to that region/ethnic group. But also be aware different calculators can sometimes show different results, depending on their population references. GEDMatch is better used as a comparison tool with other users, than anything else I would say.

[Kaspias]

Can you share your PuntDNAL K15 with mixed mode oracle?

[dosas]

Can you share your PuntDNAL K15 with mixed mode oracle?

Is this different to the one I posted? Where can I find that option.

[Livin]

Did you found out your haplo?

[dosas]

Did you found out your haplo?

You mean the r1b1a2?

[Kaspias]

Is this different to the one I posted? Where can I find that option.

Yes, just click "oracle" not "oracle-4"

[dosas]

Yes, just click "oracle" not "oracle-4"

Ok, here it is.

puntDNAL K15 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 33.77
2 Caucasian 31.11
3 NE_European 22.56
4 SW_Asian 8.62
5 Horn_Of_Africa 1.99
6 Oceanian 1.09
7 S_African 0.46
8 Amerindian 0.39
9 Omo_River 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Central 9.36
2 Ashkenazy_Jew 10.57
3 Sicilian 10.87
4 Sephardic_Jew 11.18
5 Greek_Thessaly 11.79
6 Tuscan 12.78
7 Albanian 13.93
8 Turk_Kayseri 14.77
9 Cypriot 17.71
10 Lebanese 18.83
11 Italian 19.6
12 Kurdish 19.61
13 Montenegrin 19.81
14 Palestinian 19.94
15 Turk_Istanbul 20.43
16 Assyrian 20.63
17 Bulgarian 20.79
18 Armenian 21.2
19 Chechen 21.28
20 Romanian 21.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.7% Montenegrin + 48.3% Armenian @ 1.51
2 64.4% Greek_Thessaly + 35.6% Armenian @ 1.62
3 60.4% Assyrian + 39.6% French @ 1.76
4 69.7% Greek_Central + 30.3% Armenian @ 1.85
5 50.5% Bulgarian + 49.5% Armenian @ 1.92
6 51% Assyrian + 49% Romanian @ 1.92
7 62% Assyrian + 38% South_German @ 1.94
8 50.2% Assyrian + 49.8% Bulgarian @ 1.95
9 62.5% Assyrian + 37.5% Utahn_White @ 1.97
10 51.6% Assyrian + 48.4% Macedonian @ 2.03
11 50.4% Armenian + 49.6% Romanian @ 2.12
12 63.9% Greek_Thessaly + 36.1% Assyrian @ 2.13
13 69.2% Greek_Central + 30.8% Assyrian @ 2.15
14 52% Italian + 48% Armenian @ 2.36
15 51% Montenegrin + 49% Assyrian @ 2.37
16 61.7% Greek_Central + 38.3% Turk_Kayseri @ 2.4
17 64.5% Assyrian + 35.5% English @ 2.41
18 55.8% Greek_Thessaly + 44.2% Turk_Kayseri @ 2.45
19 70.4% Greek_Central + 29.6% Azerbaijani @ 2.45
20 52.5% Bulgarian + 47.5% Turk_Trabzon @ 2.5


They look kinda weird. I got a hit with French in it, lol?

[Livin]

You mean the r1b1a2?

It is R1b?

Can you link the clade plss!

[dosas]

It is R1b?

Can you link the clade plss!

Plz, bear with me because I am a newb. What is the clade? I used the ytree.morleydna.com calculator.

[Livin]

Plz, bear with me because I am a newb. What is the clade? I used the ytree.morleydna.com calculator.

Let me talk you to PM.

Why I cant send you private mesage?

[dosas]

Let me talk you to PM.

Why I cant send you private mesage?

I've no idea about the pms mate.

Here's the morley page:



edit: sorry photobucket is a shit website.

[Kaspias]

Ok, here it is.

puntDNAL K15 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 33.77
2 Caucasian 31.11
3 NE_European 22.56
4 SW_Asian 8.62
5 Horn_Of_Africa 1.99
6 Oceanian 1.09
7 S_African 0.46
8 Amerindian 0.39
9 Omo_River 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Central 9.36
2 Ashkenazy_Jew 10.57
3 Sicilian 10.87
4 Sephardic_Jew 11.18
5 Greek_Thessaly 11.79
6 Tuscan 12.78
7 Albanian 13.93
8 Turk_Kayseri 14.77
9 Cypriot 17.71
10 Lebanese 18.83
11 Italian 19.6
12 Kurdish 19.61
13 Montenegrin 19.81
14 Palestinian 19.94
15 Turk_Istanbul 20.43
16 Assyrian 20.63
17 Bulgarian 20.79
18 Armenian 21.2
19 Chechen 21.28
20 Romanian 21.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.7% Montenegrin + 48.3% Armenian @ 1.51
2 64.4% Greek_Thessaly + 35.6% Armenian @ 1.62
3 60.4% Assyrian + 39.6% French @ 1.76
4 69.7% Greek_Central + 30.3% Armenian @ 1.85
5 50.5% Bulgarian + 49.5% Armenian @ 1.92
6 51% Assyrian + 49% Romanian @ 1.92
7 62% Assyrian + 38% South_German @ 1.94
8 50.2% Assyrian + 49.8% Bulgarian @ 1.95
9 62.5% Assyrian + 37.5% Utahn_White @ 1.97
10 51.6% Assyrian + 48.4% Macedonian @ 2.03
11 50.4% Armenian + 49.6% Romanian @ 2.12
12 63.9% Greek_Thessaly + 36.1% Assyrian @ 2.13
13 69.2% Greek_Central + 30.8% Assyrian @ 2.15
14 52% Italian + 48% Armenian @ 2.36
15 51% Montenegrin + 49% Assyrian @ 2.37
16 61.7% Greek_Central + 38.3% Turk_Kayseri @ 2.4
17 64.5% Assyrian + 35.5% English @ 2.41
18 55.8% Greek_Thessaly + 44.2% Turk_Kayseri @ 2.45
19 70.4% Greek_Central + 29.6% Azerbaijani @ 2.45
20 52.5% Bulgarian + 47.5% Turk_Trabzon @ 2.5


They look kinda weird. I got a hit with French in it, lol?

Lol also south german haha.

Actually they don't look weird, very accurate. Typical mainland Greek+Pontic Greek results, seems like your ancestors are really from Epirus.

[Livin]

I've no idea about the pms mate.

Here's the morley page:

<a href="http://s264.photobucket.com/user/theopard/media/Screenshot_2018-10-07%20MorleyDNA%20com%20Y-SNP%20Subclade%20Predictor1_zpszxxamovq.png.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii181/theopard/Screenshot_2018-10-07%20MorleyDNA%20com%20Y-SNP%20Subclade%20Predictor1_zpszxxamovq.png" border="0" alt=" photo Screenshot_2018-10-07 MorleyDNA com Y-SNP Subclade Predictor1_zpszxxamovq.png"/></a>

edit: sorry photobucket is a shit website.


ok,sorry i didn’t respond earlier,Your haplo it has to do with steppe people if you know what this means.

[dosas]

ok,sorry i didn’t respond earlier,Your haplo it has to do with steppe people if you know what this means.

I've no idea what it means, please do tell.

[FilhoV]

Nice Results mate