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Loki
04-17-2011, 03:48 PM
Furious Greeks press for country to default on debt (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/17/greece-debt-default-bailout)

Violence on the streets as backlash grows over Greece's austerity package and €110bn bailout

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A growing chorus of voices is urging the Greek government to restructure its debt as fears grow that a €110bn bailout has failed to rescue the country from the financial abyss and is forcing ordinary people into an era of futile austerity.

"It's better to have a restructuring now … since the situation is going nowhere," said Vasso Papandreou, whose views might be easier to discount were she not head of the Greek parliament's economic affairs committee.

Other members of prime minister George Papandreou's party have said that Greece is locked in a "vicious cycle", unable to dig itself out of crisis with policies that can only deepen recession.

International fears of a Greek default rose last week after the German finance minister, Wolfgang Schδuble, refused to rule it out and markets, sensing upheaval, sent Greek borrowing costs soaring.

The normally mild-mannered prime minister has vehemently rebuffed the prospect of Greece failing to meet its debt obligations, saying restructure would not only be catastrophic for the country – blocking its access to markets for years – but also for the eurozone's delicate economy. "Our problems will be addressed in depth not if we restructure our debt but if we restructure the country," he said, announcing the "road map" that would lead Greece out of crisis.

Amid speculation over the country's ability to avoid default, a wave of civil disobedience is causing many to wonder if Greece is becoming ungovernable.

In the Athens suburb of Keratea, locals furious over the prospect of a landfill site last week dug up the road and the capital's top police officer asked for his men to be removed from the anarchic area.

"There is clearly a breakdown of the rule of law, and without the rule of law there can be no economic development," said political analyst Takis Michas. "It is organised lawlessness spearheaded by the hard left."

Tomorrow, in a clear sop to the thousands who have signed up to the "can't pay, won't pay" movement, the ruling socialists will announce reductions of up to 50% in road toll fees. As the nation struggles to rein in a debt of €340bn, the logic of appeasing protesters – an estimated 8,000 Greeks a day were refusing to pay tolls – has outweighed antagonising them further. "Our hope is that this will calm things down," the deputy transport minister Spyros Vougias said.

Last week, a man shot a bus inspector hired to crack down on fare dodgers after protesters stormed a police station, snatched hundreds of confiscated number plates and set light to thousands of fines. Days later thugs attacked Antonis Loverdos, the health minister, as he visited a hospital in Athens. In Patras, James Watson, the 83-year-old Nobel Prize-winning geneticist was also attacked as he prepared to give a speech at the city's university.

"In any other country people would have been arrested but here the lack of arrests has contributed to the feeling that anything goes," said Michas.

Haunted by a recession that has exceeded even the worst predictions of the EU and IMF almost a year after they moved to rescue the country with their bailout last May, austerity has hit Greece as never before. Last week it emerged that hospitals were facing severe shortages of beds and supplies while schools could no longer afford cleaners. Disposable incomes have dropped dramatically as wages and pensions have been slashed, taxes have been raised and unemployment has reached a record 15%.

Eighteen months after the economic crisis erupted, Papandreou said last week that more cuts were needed to meet deficit-cutting targets.

How do countries default?

A default is when a country misses a repayment on its debts. But the most likely outcome for Greece is a "restructuring", a negotiation between Athens and its creditors that would result in the owners of its bonds accepting that they won't get all their money back.

What would the consequences be?

Investors would shun Greek debt, making it hard for the country to borrow. But what Europe's policymakers are more worried about is the knock-on effects for Greece's lenders, many of which are German and French banks, which would have to declare large losses. Portugal and Ireland would also have a strong incentive to follow suit.

Who has defaulted in the past?

Refusing to pay your debts has an impeccable pedigree: Edward III sowed chaos in Florence in the mid 14th century by defaulting on a series of loans. Every country in Latin America, apart from Brazil, followed suit in the early 19th century. Most recently, Russia shocked world markets by defaulting in 1998, as did Argentina in 2001.

SwordoftheVistula
04-17-2011, 04:25 PM
How does attacking an elderly nobel prize winner who is probably the most accomplished scientist of a generation fit in with this? I get the fare-dodging, toll-dodging, bail-on-debt people, but how does assaulting an elderly scientist fit in with this? And what's with tearing up a road over a landfill? They can't give any 'environmental' excuse, I know these type of people and they are the people who throw their trash in a vacant lot or off the side of the road so as to avoid paying the trash pickup fee.

Loki
04-17-2011, 05:32 PM
How does attacking an elderly nobel prize winner who is probably the most accomplished scientist of a generation fit in with this? I get the fare-dodging, toll-dodging, bail-on-debt people, but how does assaulting an elderly scientist fit in with this? And what's with tearing up a road over a landfill? They can't give any 'environmental' excuse, I know these type of people and they are the people who throw their trash in a vacant lot or off the side of the road so as to avoid paying the trash pickup fee.

I guess desperate people get up to silly things. One can't excuse it, but deprive someone of money, jobs and a livelihood and the ugly things come out. It's not easy out there, and unemployed/broke people don't have the same level of peace and serenity that you and I have.

Absinthe
04-17-2011, 05:32 PM
It doesn't fit in this, it was an irrelevant incident. Apparently Watson was attacked by the Antifa for his hypotheses on race and racial intelligence.

I guess what the author was trying to say was that law enforcement is lacking altogether, hence he grouped this incident along with the debt-related riots.

SwordoftheVistula
04-17-2011, 06:00 PM
I guess what the author was trying to say was that law enforcement is lacking altogether, hence he grouped this incident along with the debt-related riots.

Well I suppose that makes sense. If Greece wanted to start a jobs program for angry young people, they would just hire a bunch of them into the police forces and give them helmets & batons. It's a fairly standard move for countries in their position, Khadaffii even gives them automatic weapons, so I don't know why they haven't done this.

Absinthe
04-17-2011, 06:14 PM
If Greece wanted to start a jobs program for angry young people, they would just hire a bunch of them into the police forces and give them helmets & batons.

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poiuytrewq0987
04-17-2011, 06:44 PM
Hm... I don't think Turks will even have to send soldiers to Greece to conquer it once again. The Greeks will do it for them. :coffee: