Classify Georgian Kings

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Simeon I of Kartli

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Vakhtan VI of Kartli

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Giorgi XI of Kartli (bad quality)

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Teimuraz II of Kakheti

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Erekle II of Kakheti (his son)

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Giorgi XII of Kartl-Kakheti (their grandson and son)

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Solom II of Imereti

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the last de facto ruler prince of Mingrelia (ruled instead of his father - the ruler prince of Mingrelia Principality Levan V Dadiani)

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his father the prince of Mingrelia Levan V Dadiani

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dinarics mostly

[Kivan]

Caucasids, Dinarids and Armenoids.

[Austrvegr]

They were of Turkish and Ossetian origin.

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They were of Turkish and Ossetian origin.

Nomads dont have long eagle noses my little Russian troll
both Turks and Ossetians are of nomad non Caucasian origin (Oguz Turks / Aryan Indo-Europeans)
they have not this "Caucasian" noses like Georgian kings especially of Eastern Georgian Kingdoms have where eagle nosed Caucasian Mtebids live and less Pontids

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Caucasids, Dinarids and Armenoids.

thx you very much
can you tell me wich one is Caucasis and which - Dinarid

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the last ruler prince of low Svaneti Konstantine I Dadeshkeliani (arrested and killed by Russians in 1857, the main reason why Russian trolls are sitting тщц in all Georgians themes)

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the last Queen of Kartl-Kakheti Mariam Tsitsishvili (arrested and kept into confinement at the Belogorodsky Convent by Russian empire in 1802 after annexing Georgia)

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thx you very much
can you tell me wich one is Caucasis and which - Dinarid

Erekle II and Giorgi XII look Caucasid. Simeon I and Levan V look more Armenoid, and the others more Dinarid.

[Austrvegr]

Nomads dont have long eagle noses my little Russian troll
both Turks and Ossetians are of nomad non Caucasian origin (Oguz Turks / Aryan Indo-Europeans)
they have not this "Caucasian" noses like Georgian kings especially of Eastern Georgian Kingdoms have where eagle nosed Caucasian Mtebids live and less Pontids

The queen Tamar chose her second husband herself. He was David Soslan, an Alan prince. Tamar and David had two children. In 1192 or 1194, the queen gave birth to a son, George-Lasha, the future king George IV. The daughter, Rusudan, was born c. 1195 and would succeed her brother as a sovereign of Georgia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamar_of_Georgia#Second_marriage

Rusudan married in 1224 the Seljuk prince Ghias ad-din, a grandson of Kilij Arslan II who converted to Christianity on his marriage. They were the parents of David VI of Georgia and a daughter named Tamar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusudan_of_Georgia

"Georgian" kings were descendants of the Ossetian David Soslan and the Turk Ghias ad-din.

[Sagui]

Dinaro pontics

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The queen Tamar chose her second husband herself. He was David Soslan, an Alan prince. Tamar and David had two children. In 1192 or 1194, the queen gave birth to a son, George-Lasha, the future king George IV. The daughter, Rusudan, was born c. 1195 and would succeed her brother as a sovereign of Georgia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamar_of_Georgia#Second_marriage

Rusudan married in 1224 the Seljuk prince Ghias ad-din, a grandson of Kilij Arslan II who converted to Christianity on his marriage. They were the parents of David VI of Georgia and a daughter named Tamar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusudan_of_Georgia


"Georgian" kings were descendants of the Ossetian David Soslan and the Turk Ghias ad-din.

the last descendant of Ghias ad-din was David Narin
Whats about David Soslan he was of Georgian origin "An anonymous chronicler, writing during the reign of George IV Lasha (son of Tamar and David Soslan; 1212–1223), ascribes to Soslan a Bagratid ancestry.[3]
He considered Soslan to be a descendant of George I of Georgia (1014–1027) and his Alan wife Alde who were the parents of Demetrius (Demetre), an unfortunate pretender to the Georgian crown whose son, David, was forced by Bagrat IV of Georgia to flee to Alania."

Nowadays genetics of Bagratids is known. And it has nothing with Ossetians. Furthemore, after Georgian Kingdom fell, Kartvelian dinasty marriages where only among Kartvelian Kingdoms, Principalities and Duches. While the Kings of Georgian Kingdom had to marry only his/her equal - member of royal family from other Kingdoms. But United Kingdom was in 11-14 centuries. You could guess it well from the picture of them - they do not have nothing with common with Turkish or Ossetian appearance. Ossetians and Georgians look very different from each other. Nothing say about Turks and Georgians. Especially Eastern/Northern Georgians with their specific Georgian noses.

Furthemore, modern Ossetians are descendants of Caucasian fathers and Iranian Oss mothers "The Y-haplogroup data indicate that North Ossetians are more similar to other North Caucasian groups, and South Ossetians are more similar to other South Caucasian groups, than to each other. Also, with respect to mtDNA, Ossetians are significantly more similar to some Iranian groups than to Caucasian groups. It is thus suggested that there is a common origin of Ossetians from the Proto-Iranian Urheimat, followed by subsequent male-mediated migrations from their Caucasian neighbours."

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Fresco of the Queen Tamar

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The Queen of Mingrelia Principality

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Levan II Dadia (Mtavar of Mingrelia Principality, 17 c)

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Queen of Kakheti Kingdom from Dadiani great feaudal lord family - Darejan Dadiani (thirs wife of Erekle II, 18 C)

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Great Georgian Dukes from Racha Duchess

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Great Meskhian Mtavars and crown prince raisers Jakeli family (13 c)
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I dont known can we guess their types from old frescos but how do they look? middle asian?

[Ylla]

Dinaromed

[Böri]

The queen Tamar chose her second husband herself. He was David Soslan, an Alan prince. Tamar and David had two children. In 1192 or 1194, the queen gave birth to a son, George-Lasha, the future king George IV. The daughter, Rusudan, was born c. 1195 and would succeed her brother as a sovereign of Georgia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamar_of_Georgia#Second_marriage

Rusudan married in 1224 the Seljuk prince Ghias ad-din, a grandson of Kilij Arslan II who converted to Christianity on his marriage. They were the parents of David VI of Georgia and a daughter named Tamar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusudan_of_Georgia

"Georgian" kings were descendants of the Ossetian David Soslan and the Turk Ghias ad-din.

Never heard about that. Hell, nuisance.

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Never heard about that. Hell, nuisance.

The husband of the Queen Rusudan was a Turkish prince from Rumi - "She married in 1224 to the Seljuk prince Ghias ad-din, a grandson of Kilij Arslan II who converted to Christianity on his marriage. They were the parents of David VI of Georgia and a daughter named Tamar, who married her cousin, the sultan Kaykhusraw II, and following his death in 1246, the Pervane Mu'in al-Din Suleyman as one of the preconditions of the peace settlement."

Rusudan was a great whore - stupid, coward, evil female with local lover

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghias_ad-Din

One of the most hated person in Georgian history
properly there are not hated persons in Georgian Royal family including her

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Giyaseddin became sort of sold-out 'Devshirme' selling his soul and providing seed for future generation of the kings of some different nations. That's to blame.
Kilij Arslan II wasn't a man like that, he has a huge career with one famous pitched battle won against the Byzantines at Myriokephalon 1176.
He had 11 sons to begin with, he couldn't control all future ones.

But honestly, that is shocking a Seljuk prince doing that.

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"Ghias ad-din (fl. 1206–1226) was a member of the Seljuq dynasty of Rum and husband of Queen Rusudan of Georgia from c. 1223 to 1226. A son of the emir of Erzurum, he converted to Christianity on his father's order so as he could marry the queen of Georgia. Ghias ad-din's position at the Georgian court was weak and the spousal relationship was strained due to Rusudan's unfaithfulness. He shifted back and forth across the religious and political divide during the Khwarezmid invasion of Georgia in 1226. Around the same time, he was repudiated by Rusudan, and thereafter disappears from records, leaving two children behind, a daughter, Tamar, and a son, David."

The Georgian throne was succeed by Rusudans' brother - Lasha IV Giorgi descendants as David Narin did not want to obey Mongolians, rebelt, was defeated and run in Western Georgia where Mongolians could not pass, while David Ulu stayed in Tbilisi and served Mongolians. So their descendants were in Tbilisi, the centre of historical Iberia, while David Narin's descendants lived in Kutaisi, historical Laz capital. But Georgians wanted their capital to be in Iberia, Karts' land

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"Ghias ad-din (fl. 1206–1226) was a member of the Seljuq dynasty of Rum and husband of Queen Rusudan of Georgia from c. 1223 to 1226. A son of the emir of Erzurum, he converted to Christianity on his father's order so as he could marry the queen of Georgia. Ghias ad-din's position at the Georgian court was weak and the spousal relationship was strained due to Rusudan's unfaithfulness. He shifted back and forth across the religious and political divide during the Khwarezmid invasion of Georgia in 1226. Around the same time, he was repudiated by Rusudan, and thereafter disappears from records, leaving two children behind, a daughter, Tamar, and a son, David."

The Georgian throne was succeed by Rusudans' brother - Lasha IV Giorgi descendants as David Narin did not want to obey Mongolians, rebelt, was defeated and run in Western Georgia where Mongolians could not pass, while David Ulu stayed in Tbilisi and served Mongolians. So their descendants were in Tbilisi, the centre of historical Iberia, while David Narin's descendants lived in Kutaisi, historical Laz capital. But Georgians wanted their capital to be in Iberia, Karts' land

[Böri]

Giyaseddin became sort of sold-out 'Devshirme' selling his soul and fathering future generation kings of some different nations. That's to blame.
Kilij Arslan II wasn't a man like that, he has a huge career with one famous pitched battle won against the Byzantines at Myriokephalon 1176 and successfully containing Ayyubid Saladin's operations and will to expand to Turkey.

Kilij Arslan II had 11 sons to begin with and countless grandsons, he couldn't control all.

But honestly, that is shocking a Seljuk prince doing that.

[klarji]

Giyaseddin became sort of sold-out 'Devshirme' selling his soul and providing seed for future generation of the kings of some different nations..

Just he needed was a power
But Georgia in those time was not a Asian monarchy like Turkish and other Asian sultanaties.
Its was European pre renascene kingdom where women became rulers in the 13th century.
Husbands for them were needed by Georgian court only for descendants for ruler family
It was not understandable for the first Russian husband of Tamar, who wanted himself to be a King, but the King was Tamar. He was only the husband of the King, prince consort.
David I Soslan was brought up in Georgia and he was stayed prince consort and served the Kingdom. He knew Kingdom rules well and its contemporary situatian.
Chias ad-din was a very weak person, he did nothing in history. Even could not stop his wife in her personal life that abused the whole Royal Family.
When he told her not to have a lover, Rusudans' answer was to shit out.

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Giyaseddin became sort of sold-out 'Devshirme' selling his soul and fathering future generation kings of some different nations. That's to blame.
Kilij Arslan II wasn't a man like that, he has a huge career with one famous pitched battle won against the Byzantines at Myriokephalon 1176 and successfully containing Ayyubid Saladin's operations and will to expand to Turkey.


Maybe good for Turkish peopple, but not for all human worlds.
Asian barbarians destroyed the world civilization, the great descendant of Roman-Greek culture.
After Bizantyum Georgian Kingdom remained, who could play a good role in progress of human civilization but feudal system and mountain relief played bad role. After little time of uniting Georgian Kingdom fell and divided into a lot of Kingdoms, Principality, Duches that themselves were not monolith states but were divided into a lot of feudal lord and mountain tribe territories

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Maybe good for Turkish peopple, but not for all human worlds.
Asian barbarians destroyed the world civilization, the great descendant of Roman-Greek culture.
After Bizantyum Georgian Kingdom remained, who could play a good role in progress of human civilization but feudal system and mountain relief played bad role. After little time of uniting Georgian Kingdom fell and divided into a lot of Kingdoms, Principality, Duches that themselves were not monolith states but were divided into a lot of feudal lord and mountain tribe territories

That's not good for Turkish people, it's shame what Giyaseddin did. Later Georgia was actually invaded by Khwarezmians fleeing the Mongols (Jalal ad din Menburnu). Ottoman family plus my tribe came to Anatolia at the same time, along the Khwarezmian forces.

Are you kidding? Even Armenian kingdoms have been more influential than Georgian ones in a historical perspective. There was never any progress in Georgia. That's an old surviving civilization that's all.

Georgia was always a small civilization on her own, isolated, trying to survives between the two real civilizations; Sasanian Persian and Greco-Romans, playing one against the other etc. No contribution or effect upon any other people

Georgia became regional power with King David employing Kipchak mercenaries (Kipchaks being people doing everything for money). Golden Age of Georgians ended when Mongols showed up and bribed Kipchaks, succeeding in getting them to Mongol side.
Georgian golden age, age of being somewhat relevant Trans-caucasian state, is between David and Tamar. Then after Tamar, it's nothing again. Like it was before David.

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Nowadays genetics of Bagratids is known. And it has nothing with Ossetians.

This video claims that Georgian Bagrationis have the Mongol Y-haplogroup Q1.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etBNo0638Pw

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That's not good for Turkish people, it's shame what Giyaseddin did. Later Georgia was actually invaded by Khwarezmians fleeing the Mongols (Jalal ad din Menburnu). Ottoman family plus my tribe came to Anatolia at the same time, along the Khwarezmian forces.

Are you kidding? Even Armenian kingdoms have been more influential than Georgian ones in a historical perspective. There was never any progress in Georgia. That's an old surviving civilization that's all.

Georgia was always a small civilization on her own, isolated, trying to survives between the two real civilizations; Sasanian Persian and Greco-Romans, playing one against the other etc. No contribution or effect upon any other people

Georgia became regional power with King David employing Kipchak mercenaries (Kipchaks being people doing everything for money). Golden Age of Georgians ended when Mongols showed up and bribed Kipchaks, succeeding in getting them to Mongol side.
Georgian golden age, age of being somewhat relevant Trans-caucasian state, is between David and Tamar. Then after Tamar, it's nothing again. Like it was before David.

Georgia became regional power after it Kartvelian world united. And instead of local Caucasian tribes or local Kartvelian subethnoses there was created "Georgian Kingdom"
Kartvelian world is one of the oldest world in the region with great cultural ancestry but Georgian Kingdom was created only in 11-12 centuries and Kipchaks have nothing to do with creating of Georgian Kingdom. The first King of Georgian Kingdom was Bagrat III. I will upload his fresco. (How you see when Turks, including Kipchaks were running in kubutkas Georgians were painting fresco portraits of their Kings. . so less thoughtfull that Kipchaks brought in Georgia in their kibitkas pre rennaisance culture. in was more Bizantium influence + local ancestry that did develop in border of United Kartvelian Kingdom local Georgian culture)

The only thing about Kipchaks in your stories is that you as all Panturkish are a well complexed and try to Turks "great" as you think then they were (Turks were great guys, but it doesnot deny that fact that Panturkists are very complexed people that have problems with all civilizatians, including with Caucasian peoples. Karachay-Balkarian Panturkists have problems with Circassians and Ossetians, when they try to theft their Adygho-Abkhazian hisotry and cultury or Aryan (Scyfo-Sarmato-Alanian) past of Ossetian people.
Same in the Middle Asia with Tajiks and other Aryan people from local Panturkists. Same with Dagestani people and its past and modern and Persians and local Azerbaijani panTurkists.
Dont talk about Georgia.
So calm down guys, dont be complexed, just love yourselves such you are

But continue Georgians.

Yes,

Kartvelians were very few in number civilization in difference with great numerous Turkic world

But Georgians were always people maybe local but great civilization. Look for Colchis (mentioned as great Kingdom in greek myths of 2 mill. BC), Lazika Kingdom, then Iberia.
And also Kartvelian world reached its peak in political, military and cultural point when was created Georgian United Kingdom.

ok, lets continue now to classify our King

the first king of Georgia Kingdom Bagrat IV

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Sorry, Bagrat III

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Dinaromed

very interesting

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This video claims that Georgian Bagrationis have the Mongol Y-haplogroup Q1.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etBNo0638Pw

very maybe
but how you see they don not look like Mongolians and here we are interested in their antropology but not their origin history
especially when here are not only Bagrations but other ruler family too
so dont troll theme
create theme Russian kings as descendants of Germans and stay there or do there want you want
Russians are not wellcomed in Georian themes
plx get out