Germans with Asiatic apperance... (Hun Theory)

[Richmondbread]

There is a certain sub pehnotype I notice in Germanic peoples- that almost looks Asiatic . I guess they call it the "Hunn Theory". If you look at certain German (tribes)? You see fuller lips, wide set eyes, high prominent cheek bones, and chromagnid/Turanid shape to the bone structure. The theory is that Atilla The Hun was conquering areas of present day Germany/Austria. So there was Oriental admixture going on. Does anyone notice this to be accurate? Interestingly enough, in the United States if a person was presumed to be part Amerindian or even full blooded, they would just list them as being "German" on the documents. As race mixing was an element of controversy for back then.

Any thoughts?

Here are some examples:

Folk/Country singer John Denver (mostly German ancestry - real name Deutschendorf


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/John_Denver_1974.jpg

http://www.cpr.org/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/images/johndenver.5.png?itok=xPFL3C5V

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1tqfUjLQAAg/hqdefault.jpg


My very own GERMAN grandfather (looks practically Japanese!)

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s141/monumentfloyd/grandfather_zpshxu0lprb.jpg


Henry Miller

https://res.cloudinary.com/ndbooks/image/upload/Miller_Henry600.jpg

Henreich Himmler (no high cheek bones, but asian like eyes)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-xDgfPMwaqzw/TAvS9hIdnHI/AAAAAAAADSM/6l-iVbN9BfM/heinrich-himmler.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-S72707%2C_Heinrich_Himmler_Recolored.jpg

[Gangrel]

Yes, it is true. Germans are the very thing they hate. Germans must stop this self hate immediately

[Richmondbread]

Like most everywhere, you can tell that there are different "tribes" of Germans.

This kind of German looks like your TYPICAL more universal Kraut:

https://www.studying-in-germany.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/germany-is-the-place-to-be.png

https://www.pressesprecher.com/sites/default/files/styles/personalien_gro_/public/personalien/haufe_stephan_online.jpg?itok=ARc2i76m


Asiatic Germans:
https://wyatthough.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/karoline_herfurth-2.jpg

[Richmondbread]

Yes, it is true. Germans are the very thing they hate. Germans must stop this self hate immediately

Does my grandfather have a sort of Asiatic appearance? I have picture of him older and he looks like a Japanese businessman!

[Gangrel]

Does my grandfather have a sort of Asiatic appearance? I have picture of him older and he looks like a Japanese businessman!

He looks like my grandfather who was also Japanese, so yes.

[rein]

Those are just German Jews.

[Richmondbread]

He looks like my grandfather who was also Japanese, so yes.

No wonder I think I look "Native American" , lol.

[Richmondbread]

Those are just German Jews.

NO. They do not look like Jews. It's something different. German Jews do not look particularly Japanese or Mongoloid.

[Gangrel]

No wonder I think I look "Native American" , lol.

The first man literally is a depigmented Sitting Bull.

[Richmondbread]

The first man literally is a depigmented Sitting Bull.

John Denver is a famous singer in America who despite having blonde hair definitely looks Oriental-id in the face. He has largely a German background.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Take Me Home, Country Roads is a banger

[Silver Lining]

https://www.welt.de/img/politik/deutschland/mobile181809384/4142501637-ci102l-w1024/Pressekonferenz-nach-Kabinetssitzung-der-Bayerischen-Staatsregier.jpg
https://msn-mediapl-marktspiegel-ggm.s3.amazonaws.com/2014/01/16/5884_web.jpg

Many regions in Eastern Bavaria are essentially home of powerful Tungid-Alpine-Dinaric hybrids.

[Richmondbread]

Seems like the Mongoloids were rampant throughout Central and Eastern Europe.

[Congolese Rice]

Ooooh, thats where my 3.74% east asian on MyGenomeBox comes from! XD


DADDEH WAS A ASIAN MAYN!

[Silver Lining]

Seems like the Mongoloids were rampant throughout Central and Eastern Europe.

Perhaps, but genetic research does not confirm this so far. But they probably didn't screen those regions were people still live relatively isolated.

But it is also possible that this influence is way older than the Huns, people carrying the Mongoloid EDAR gene were in Europe even in Mesolithic times.

[Teutone]

Sayonara why you thought we allied with the Japs?

[Dandelion]

Heinrich Himmler could have passed in his allied Imperial Japan.

[Silver Lining]

Heinrich Himmler could have passed in his allied Imperial Japan.

That's mutually.

The North Sinid master race is essentially a Mongoloid-Cromagnoid intermediate influenced by Proto-Nordics, creating some sort of Eastern "Anglo-Saxon" subtype that ruled China, Korea and Japan once upon a time.

http://www.sonyclassics.com/emperorandassassin/stillsclips/scenes_001_2.jpg
http://alcdn.img.xiaoka.tv/20160602/d8b/f20/41800811/d8bf2045d9252af088cd8b822abc851f.jpg@1e_1c_0o_0l_6 40h_640w_90q_1pr.jpg

[Richmondbread]

Take Me Home, Country Roads is a banger

I like "Rocky Mountain High" as well.

[Anthony PV]

https://scontent.fymy1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31301920_2056758391259119_1506355999777226752_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&oh=75600e3bd7d403ea86aa3a5ce9b1d8f5&oe=5C5E6563

[Teutone]

I like "Rocky Mountain High" as well.

Do you still consinder me as a civilized human being after you found out I eat dogs and use chopsticks?

[Richmondbread]

Do you still consinder me as a civilized human being after you found out I eat dogs and use chopsticks?

I don't know. Are you an Hun-German or more of the Nordic type?

[Teutone]

I don't know. Are you an Hun-German or more of the Nordic type?

Japano-German

[Richmondbread]

Japano-German

The Oriental admixture is probably very small. It doesn't really denote the culture. Germans still were Germans, even if they had some Mongoloid in them. In many respects, they are like the Melungeons of Appalachia.

[DarknessWin]

Germans mixed with asiatic tribes just like everyone is north-east europe.

[Silver Lining]

Germans mixed with asiatic tribes just like everyone is north-east europe.

But Mongols are more successful than Slavs.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Wait is there actually an answer to this or?

[indo-uralopean]

It's not just Germany, I've seen quite a few in Sweden, Norway, Ireland, France.

Karlie Kloss

https://i.postimg.cc/yxFZBVdS/karlie-kloss.png (https://postimages.org/)

[black hole]

it has nothing to do with Mongoloid race and Mongols. That is a typical trait for Celtic, Germanic, Slavic and Scandinavic among other Europeans.

[Rgvgjhvv]

it has nothing to do with Mongoloid race and Mongols. That is a typical trait for Celtic, Germanic, Slavic and Scandinavic among other Europeans.

Typical?

[cyberlorian]

It's not just Germany, I've seen quite a few in Sweden, Norway, Ireland, France.

Karlie Kloss

https://i.postimg.cc/yxFZBVdS/karlie-kloss.png (https://postimages.org/)

Sweden, Norway and Iceland seems okay even in France?

[Richmondbread]

Bjork!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aMQU1A2_c-U/VSmWwZa867I/AAAAAAAAGI0/e71Xlr_9EDo/s1600/bjork-haxan-cloak1.jpg

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/methode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fa177fbce-bfe6-11e7-b58a-4186f6049f2e.jpg?crop=1901%2C1069%2C53%2C450&resize=685

https://thegentlewoman.co.uk/img/YnpNdG5xSWoyeXRzdGgydnpwMVB4dz09/bjork-01.jpg

[Daco Celtic]

I thought I read that John Denver is a "Volga German". Could that be what these people are? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_Germans

[Richmondbread]

My grandfather's people were from Leipzig. His dad was anyway. His mother was from Pfeddersheim. My grandfather has the similar Asiatic look.

[black hole]

Typical?



Round, upturned and almond eyes are most common in South Europe, among Southern Europeans from Iberia to Anatolia, when downturned, hooded and a little bit monolid eyes are more common among the nations I have mentioned: Scandinavians, Slavs, Germanics, Celtics, Baltics.

[Silver Lining]

You know what's the problem with all this "slamming":

Some Mongoloid admixture isn't even seen as a bad thing even on a subconscious level (Negroid admixture is, I think) as they don't distort your features that much and East Asians are obviously very skilled people. Chinky eyes and so on may even give you an attractive, exotic flair.

So yeah, teh-teh Northern Europoid-Mongoloid hybrid insult isn't comparable to Southern Europoid-Araboid-Negroid hybrid insult, so think of something new, my swarthy friends. I'd rather be 5% Mongol than 5% Greek.


But yes, honestly: I think there are regions in Central Europe that may be mixed with EDAR-mutated people.

[black hole]

celto-germanic

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56c10360356fb08f1d31ec0b/5a7e379d0d9297f654ffd4df/5a7e379e419202559545ef32/1518221214293/Emma+Stone.JPG



romano-hellenic

http://ris.fashion.telegraph.co.uk/RichImageService.svc/imagecontent/1/TMG10355923/m/penelope-getty_2692701a.jpg

[Agyullámtörő]

Omg no, the germans have no hunnic genetic or hunnic admixture :D

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

Huns had haplogroup Q:

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-Q.gif

"The oldest evidence to date of the presence of haplogroup Q is Europe are Q1a2-L56 samples from Mesolithic Latvia tested by Mathieson et al. (2017) and from the Khvalynsk culture (5200-4000 BCE), excavated in the middle Volga region and tested by Mathieson et al. (2016). The Khvalynsk culture is ancestral to the Yamna culture, which represents the Late Copper Age and Early Bronze Age homeland of the Proto-Indo-European speakers. Q1a2 could have travelled alongside haplogroup R1a-Z284 (via Poland) or R1b-U106 (via the Danube) to Scandinavia, or have been present there since the Mesolithic, as in Latvia. Both scenarios are possible as modern Scandinavians belong to two distinct branches of L56: Y4827 and L804. In either cases, all modern carriers of each branch seem to descend from a single ancestor who lived only some 3,000 years ago, during what was then the Nordic Bronze Age.

The maternal equivalents of that Siberian Q1a2 in prehistoric Eastern Europe are probably mtDNA haplogroups C4a and C5, which have been found Mesolithic Karelia (north-western Russia), in the Neolithic Dnieper-Donets culture in Ukraine, and in the Bronze Age Catacomb culture in the Pontic Steppe. Nowadays mtDNA C is mostly found among Siberians, Mongols and Native Americans, who happen to share Y-haplogroup Q1a2 on the paternal side. The analysis of prehistoric genomes from Eastern Europe did confirm the presence of a small percentage of Amerindian-related autosomal admixture.

Oddly enough, the L804 branch, which descends from the same Northeast Siberian branch as the Native American M3, is now found exclusively in Germanic countries, including Scandinavia, Germany, Britain and northern France. Like the other Scandinavian branch (L527>Y4827), its genetic diversity suggests that this lineage expanded from a single ancestor living approximately 3,000 years ago, presumably in Scandinavia, in what would have been the Nordic Bronze Age. At present it remains unclear when and how Q1a2-L804 reached Europe in the first place, but it might have been a very long time ago, during the late glacial period or the Mesolithic period. It may well have arrived at the same time as Q-Y4827. Alternatively, L804 might have come as a minor lineage accompanying haplogroup N1c1 from Mongolia until it reached Northeast Europe during the Neolithic period, some 7,000 years ago."
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml

So this "hunnic" Q marker is not related to Huns because that's more older :)

The huns have never been pure mongoloids, lot of Huns had europoid features because Central Asia and Mongolia was partly Indo-European: Iranic and Tocharian tribes lived there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocharians
The Huns were a tribal confederacy of many different tribes like Indo-Europeans, Turks, Mongols, Finno-Ugrics, genetically the Huns connected to them. They were not a homogeneous group, the Huns integrated those that they conquered. The various Slavic, Iranic and Germanic tribes were a few of the assimilated groups. What you see on the movies is almost true, majority of Huns looked like very european, but the Kings and the leader elite was mongoloid or party mongoloid (turanid). It's very possible that Attila had asian traits.

Face reconstructions of European Huns:

https://historum.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi47.tinypic.com%2F302 peeh.jpg&hash=d11861d84c8227baa6bd0faccd9e9f82

https://historum.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.tinypic.com%2F11w 3s42.jpg&hash=676e210aa96273eb0afdabb6f3f4fd61

https://historum.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.tinypic.com%2Fs44 bhe.jpg&hash=9f38b8f19fb511b33d571c0dcd65989e

https://historum.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.tinypic.com%2F2pr z2gp.jpg&hash=b4af5df60006d3fbd742f8096015c491

https://historum.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi47.tinypic.com%2F6ef 2hh.jpg&hash=6ae7674a80bc1dc00b5bced38c68c50c
https://historum.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.tinypic.com%2Fdsk qu.jpg&hash=4f64ba3c73579ea49ec0aff544b82429

Most of them were clearly european looking.

Oghur Turks (bulgar, avar, chuvash, khazar) are descedants of Huns, the Hunnic Language belong to Oghur turkic group:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oghur_languages

Interesting fact but the old Bulgars and Chuvasians had very european genetic, which was not connected to the other Altaic populations:

"[...] We found that the Y-chromosome gene pool in modern Bulgarians is primarily represented by Western Eurasian haplogroups with ~ 40% belonging to haplogroups E-V13 and I-M423, and 20% to R-M17. Haplogroups common in the Middle East (J and G) and in South Western Asia (R-L23*) occur at frequencies of 19% and 5%, respectively. Haplogroups C, N and Q, distinctive for Altaic and Central Asian Turkic-speaking populations, occur at the negligible frequency of only 1.5%. Principal Component analyses group Bulgarians with European populations, apart from Central Asian Turkic-speaking groups and South Western Asia populations. Within the country, the genetic variation is structured in Western, Central and Eastern Bulgaria indicating that the Balkan Mountains have been permeable to human movements. The lineage analysis provided the following interesting results: (i) R-L23* is present in Eastern Bulgaria since the post glacial period; (ii) haplogroup E-V13 has a Mesolithic age in Bulgaria from where it expanded after the arrival of farming; (iii) haplogroup J-M241 probably reflects the Neolithic westward expansion of farmers from the earliest sites along the Black Sea. On the whole, in light of the most recent historical studies, which indicate a substantial proto-Bulgarian input to the contemporary Bulgarian people, our data suggest that a common paternal ancestry between the proto-Bulgarians and the Altaic and Central Asian Turkic-speaking populations either did not exist or was negligible."
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/bulgarians.html

"A sample of 96 unrelated individuals from Chuvashia, Russia was sequenced for hypervariable region-I (HVR-I) of the mtDNA molecule. The Chuvash speak a Turkic language that is not mutually intelligible to other extant Turkish groups, and their genetics are distinct from Turkic-speaking Altaic groups. Some scholars have suggested that they are remnants of the Golden Horde, while others have advocated that they are the products of admixture between Turkic and Finno-Ugric speakers who came into contact during the 13th century. Earlier genetic research using autosomal DNA markers suggested a Finno-Ugric origin for the Chuvash. This study examines non-recombining DNA markers to better elucidate their origins. The majority of individuals in this sample exhibit haplogroups H (31%), U (22%), and K (11%), all representative of western and northern Europeans, but absent in Altaic or Mongolian populations. Multidimensional scaling (MDS) was used to examine distances between the Chuvash and 8 reference populations compiled from the literature. Mismatch analysis showed a unimodal distribution. Along with neutrality tests (Tajima's D (-1.43365) p < 0.05, Fu's FS (-25.50518) p < 0.001), the mismatch distribution is suggestive of an expanding population. These tests suggest that the Chuvash are not related to the Altai and Mongolia along their maternal line but supports the 'Elite' hypothesis that their language was imposed by a conquering group — leaving Chuvash mtDNA largely of Eurasian origin with a small amount of Central Asian gene flow. Their maternal markers appear to most closely resemble Finno-Ugric speakers rather than fellow Turkic speakers."
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/chuvashes.html

Oghur Turks and Huns were genetically europeans, but of course the Asian Huns in Mongolia were mostly mongoloid and asiatic.

There is no significant Hunnic and Mongol genetic in Europe, the eastern looking europeans have all Finno-Ugric ancestry. This group is native Eurasian with significant Siberian admixture:
http://blog.ut.ee/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/fig2-k1-6-journal.pone_.0135820.g003-1.jpg

[Jana]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/09/10/00/0EB7D7FA00000578-3782555-The_face_of_evil_Reinhard_Heydrich_who_died_in_194 2_after_an_att-m-26_1473464850617.jpg

[Benyzero]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/09/10/00/0EB7D7FA00000578-3782555-The_face_of_evil_Reinhard_Heydrich_who_died_in_194 2_after_an_att-m-26_1473464850617.jpg

The textbook aryan according to the third Reich ideology

[Ayetooey]

Richmond brings so much unwanted attention to Germans with his wild "german build" discussions and now this asiatic theory, hilarious.

[Jana]

The textbook aryan according to the third Reich ideology

Yeah lol :D

He looks like mix of Uralid with some Jewish

[Benyzero]

Yeah lol :D

He looks like mix of Uralid with some Jewish

lol yeah theres something like that

[DarknessWin]

You know what's the problem with all this "slamming":

Some Mongoloid admixture isn't even seen as a bad thing even on a subconscious level (Negroid admixture is, I think) as they don't distort your features that much and East Asians are obviously very skilled people. Chinky eyes and so on may even give you an attractive, exotic flair.

So yeah, teh-teh Northern Europoid-Mongoloid hybrid insult isn't comparable to Southern Europoid-Araboid-Negroid hybrid insult, so think of something new, my swarthy friends. I'd rather be 5% Mongol than 5% Greek.


But yes, honestly: I think there are regions in Central Europe that may be mixed with EDAR-mutated people.


Mongols were worst barbarians than MENA you idiot , at least MENA had great civilizations when mongols were short horse fuckers.
Also south Europeans is everything in Europe , you cant even get close to the Glory of Greece and Rome so shut your fucking mouth

Dont forget that most MENA are part of Caucasoid race while mongols are not caucasoids.
You see in modern times that MENA countries are at the low but this is because of Islam.
In the past these people had great minds and civilizations

I'd rather be 5% Lebanese than 5% ugly german

[Agyullámtörő]

Yeah lol :D

He looks like mix of Uralid with some Jewish

Heidrich very Nordid looking with a little bit North Eurasian admixture.

[gültekin]

if germanic tribes come from scythians they can be connected with q hablogroup. because turkic peoples destroy the scyhtians and mixed with them. its possible. and some scandinavians have q (turkic,amerindian) hablogroup. i see some scandinavian peoples with asian slanted eyes and face features like a björk from iceland right?
HD
i think germanic features dont only come from huns. also vikings have asian dna.
what a horseshit still you parroting about? whose sockpuppet are you talking the old fashion retardism ?
Q is rare as fuck in asia, not a one single tribe got over %5 yet you dare to talk like the only HG is Q which you can use as reference. Q is only predominant in Americas. For you and others to get in thick brains, predominant HG in central+Nasia is j2a-R1b-R1a, even N1b is far more then Q

[Agyullámtörő]

first turks are totally q hablogroup. tuva turks most original turks on the earth

Y-Dna Hablogroups of Tuva

3/55 = 5.5% C3-M217 (Mongolian)
5/55 = 9.1% C3c-M86 (Mongolian)
1/55 = 1.8% N-LLY22g (Uralic,Turkic)
5/55 = 9.1% N-Tat (Uralic,Turkic)
15/55 = 27.3% Q-P36 (Turkic,Native American)
1/55 = 1.8% O-M122 (Chinese)
9/55 = 16.4% Q-P36 (Turkic, Native American)
4/55 = 7.3% R-M173 (Caucasian)
12/55 = 21.8% R1a-M17 (Caucasian)

%43.7 is big rate

80800

you can see q hablogroup mostly on the iceland of scandinavia.

i think this is reason why björk or some iceland people looking like asians.

Björk have sami ancestry not Turkic and yes Q is the original Turkic haplogroup:

'Many of clades of haplogroup Q1a are believed to have been brought by the Huns, the Mongols and the Turks, who all originated in the Altai region and around modern Mongolia. Haplogroup Q has been identified in Iron Age remains from Hunnic sites in Mongolia by Petkovski et al. (2006) and in Xinjiang by Kang et al. (2013). Modern Mongols belong to various subclades of Q1a, including by order of frequency Q1a2a1c (L330), Q1a1a1 (M120), Q1a1b (M25) and Q1a2a2 (YP4004)."
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml

[gültekin]

first turks are totally q hablogroup. tuva turks most original turks on the earth

Y-Dna Hablogroups of Tuva

3/55 = 5.5% C3-M217 (Mongolian)
5/55 = 9.1% C3c-M86 (Mongolian)
1/55 = 1.8% N-LLY22g (Uralic,Turkic)
5/55 = 9.1% N-Tat (Uralic,Turkic)
15/55 = 27.3% Q-P36 (Turkic,Native American)
1/55 = 1.8% O-M122 (Chinese)
9/55 = 16.4% Q-P36 (Turkic, Native American)
4/55 = 7.3% R-M173 (Caucasian)
12/55 = 21.8% R1a-M17 (Caucasian)

%43.7 is big rate

80800

you can see q hablogroup mostly on the iceland of scandinavia.

i think this is reason why björk or some iceland people looking like asians.
you have to putt this garbage to the wrong person.

at first refresh yourself, then try to lecture me something
https://j2-m172.info/2015/06/j2a2-ph3085-sk1403-ancient-altai-modern-uygur-turkish/

[DarknessWin]

if germanic tribes come from scythians they can be connected with q hablogroup. because turkic peoples destroy the scyhtians and mixed with them. its possible. and some scandinavians have q (turkic,amerindian) hablogroup. i see some scandinavian peoples with asian slanted eyes and face features like a björk from iceland right?

i think germanic features dont only come from huns. also vikings have asian dna.

Its true , the turkic people destroyed the dicks of Scythians.
The dwarf turkic people went there and start to blow every Scythian dick, they destroyed them completely

[Karkurdu]

Björk have sami ancestry not Turkic and yes Q is the original Turkic haplogroup:

'Many of clades of haplogroup Q1a are believed to have been brought by the Huns, the Mongols and the Turks, who all originated in the Altai region and around modern Mongolia. Haplogroup Q has been identified in Iron Age remains from Hunnic sites in Mongolia by Petkovski et al. (2006) and in Xinjiang by Kang et al. (2013). Modern Mongols belong to various subclades of Q1a, including by order of frequency Q1a2a1c (L330), Q1a1a1 (M120), Q1a1b (M25) and Q1a2a2 (YP4004)."
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml

Eupedia is outdated and giving speculative information. There is no such thing as "original" Turkic haplogroup.

[Karkurdu]

kızım sen saf mısın j2 ortadoğu anadolu grubudur. kaldı ki uygurlar özbekler saf bir toplum değil ki. ben sana tuva türklerini atıyorum. adamlar orta asyanın altayların bağrında kımız içerek tengriye dualar ederek yaşıyor şaka mısın.

Türklerin ana grupları ilk olarak Q hablogrubu ardından C ve N'dir. bunlarda moğol ve ural kabileleriyle etkileşime girerek oluşmuştur. J'nin çıkış yeri ortadoğudur. İskitleri asimile edip kovaladıktan sonra onlarlada etkileşime girerek R1a gruplarına sahip olmuşuz. ardından J1-J2 ise araplarla ve anadolu halklarıyla olan etkileşim sonucu. uygurlar özbekler bunlar farsilerle veya bölgedeki diğer topluluklarla oldukça karışmış toplumlar.

Fakat tuva türkleri ilk türklere en yakın topluluktur. altay dağlarında yaşarlar, moğol istilasında 200 yıl yukarı sibirya ormanlarına saklanmış ve çıkmamışlardır. böylece kendi kültürlerini dillerini ve gök tengri inançlarını korumuş en saf türk toplumudur. kökenleri ve genetiği ise kızılderililere çok yakındır. %43.7 lik bir ortalamadan bahsediyoruz.

Türklerin kızılderililerle olan bağını nasıl açıklıyorsun o zaman? bu ispatlanmış bir gerçektir. Kızılderililerde N ve diğer gruplar yok. Sadece Q ve C var. bu da gösteriyor ki ilk Türkler tamamen Q hablogrubuna sahipti.



First Turkic peoples and amerindians come from same ancestors and hablogroup Q

Götünden tarih ve genetik uydurmayı bırak, bir bok bildiğin yok habire saçmalıyorsun.

[Karkurdu]

kimsenin tarih ve genetik uydurduğu falan yok. gerçekler neyse onları söylüyorum. ortada bir sürü kaynak site var hala kabullenmemek için yırtınıyorsun. eupediaya bile saçmalıyor bunlar diyen adam bana akıl veriyor ahaha

Ortada hiçbir kaynak yok, Eupedia makaleleri de spekülatif ve son yapılan çalışmaları içermiyor. Yıllar öncesinin yazısı o. Tuvalara saf Türk diyen, İskandinavlarla Türkler akraba dil konuşuyorlar diyen bir gerizekalısın, bir bok bilmediğin ortada bence zorlama.

[gültekin]

kızım sen saf mısın j2 ortadoğu anadolu grubudur. kaldı ki uygurlar özbekler saf bir toplum değil ki. ben sana tuva türklerini atıyorum. adamlar orta asyanın altayların bağrında kımız içerek tengriye dualar ederek yaşıyor şaka mısın.

Türklerin ana grupları ilk olarak Q hablogrubu ardından C ve N'dir. bunlarda moğol ve ural kabileleriyle etkileşime girerek oluşmuştur. J'nin çıkış yeri ortadoğudur. İskitleri asimile edip kovaladıktan sonra onlarlada etkileşime girerek R1a gruplarına sahip olmuşuz. ardından J1-J2 ise araplarla ve anadolu halklarıyla olan etkileşim sonucu. uygurlar özbekler bunlar farsilerle veya bölgedeki diğer topluluklarla oldukça karışmış toplumlar.

Fakat tuva türkleri ilk türklere en yakın topluluktur. altay dağlarında yaşarlar, moğol istilasında 200 yıl yukarı sibirya ormanlarına saklanmış ve çıkmamışlardır. böylece kendi kültürlerini dillerini ve gök tengri inançlarını korumuş en saf türk toplumudur. kökenleri ve genetiği ise kızılderililere çok yakındır. %43.7 lik bir ortalamadan bahsediyoruz.

Türklerin kızılderililerle olan bağını nasıl açıklıyorsun o zaman? bu ispatlanmış bir gerçektir. Kızılderililerde N ve diğer gruplar yok. Sadece Q ve C var. bu da gösteriyor ki ilk Türkler tamamen Q hablogrubuna sahipti.
sik beyinli kıro, sen önce kendine dna testi yaptır sonra bana akıl vermeye kalk.

he amına kodumun kırosu, kürtler iskitler , j2a da hitit değilmi siktiğimin piçi?
verdiğim linkte götüne kalın girmişki hala kan sıçmaya devam ediyorsun. mal beyinsiz ,okuma yazmanda yok topla çıkarma da 80 IQ lu maymun davar.
Karasuk kurgan altay, ilk Türklerin kurganı, HG de j2a.

[nittionia]

Idk I think it's not actual mongoloid (like my dad).

[gültekin]

Ortadoğuda ve anadoluda çıkmış bir hablogrup nasıl ilk türkler olabiliyor?
ahahaha siktiğimin kırosu, iskitmisin lan sen ,git eşek sik folloş maymunun sıçtığı, toplama çıkarma öğren öğle gel.
al bunuda kıçına sok
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301548191_Pilipenko_2015_A_PALEOGENETIC_STUDY_OF_P AZYRYK_PEOPLE_BURIED_AT_AK-ALAKHA-1_THE_ALTAI_MOUNTAINS_in_russian

[gültekin]

iskitler dediğin sarışın sakallı uzun boylu bir kavim dilleride doğu iran dili. bu bir gerçek daha neyin iddiasındasın? gelmiş bana rusça kaynak atıyor allahım delirecem asdasdsa

https://www.wikizero.pro/index.php?q=aHR0cHM6Ly9lbi53aWtpcGVkaWEub3JnL3dpa2 kvU2N5dGhpYW5z
ahahahaha
http://politicalmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/political-pictures-mahmoud-ahmedinejad-votes-got.jpg

[gültekin]

yapacak bir açıklaman kuracak cümlen yok boş boş şeylerle doldur işte. zekan çok yüksekmiş gerçekten dizlerim titredi
siktiğimin beyinsiz kırosu, copy pasteni ananın amına sokarım senin. hadi siktir git şimdi

[Jana]

Heidrich very Nordid looking with a little bit North Eurasian admixture.

Perhaps, but he really had Jewish nose (armenoid)
http://img.cz.prg.cmestatic.com/media/images/600x338/Jun2009/520210.jpg?d41d

[Papastratosels26]

Hummer was Alpine. That's why the Pseudo-Mongoloid look.

[Agyullámtörő]

Perhaps, but he really had Jewish nose (armenoid)
http://img.cz.prg.cmestatic.com/media/images/600x338/Jun2009/520210.jpg?d41d

That's Saruman nose :D

[Richmondbread]

Omg no, the germans have no hunnic genetic or hunnic admixture :D

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

Huns had haplogroup Q:

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-Q.gif

"The oldest evidence to date of the presence of haplogroup Q is Europe are Q1a2-L56 samples from Mesolithic Latvia tested by Mathieson et al. (2017) and from the Khvalynsk culture (5200-4000 BCE), excavated in the middle Volga region and tested by Mathieson et al. (2016). The Khvalynsk culture is ancestral to the Yamna culture, which represents the Late Copper Age and Early Bronze Age homeland of the Proto-Indo-European speakers. Q1a2 could have travelled alongside haplogroup R1a-Z284 (via Poland) or R1b-U106 (via the Danube) to Scandinavia, or have been present there since the Mesolithic, as in Latvia. Both scenarios are possible as modern Scandinavians belong to two distinct branches of L56: Y4827 and L804. In either cases, all modern carriers of each branch seem to descend from a single ancestor who lived only some 3,000 years ago, during what was then the Nordic Bronze Age.

The maternal equivalents of that Siberian Q1a2 in prehistoric Eastern Europe are probably mtDNA haplogroups C4a and C5, which have been found Mesolithic Karelia (north-western Russia), in the Neolithic Dnieper-Donets culture in Ukraine, and in the Bronze Age Catacomb culture in the Pontic Steppe. Nowadays mtDNA C is mostly found among Siberians, Mongols and Native Americans, who happen to share Y-haplogroup Q1a2 on the paternal side. The analysis of prehistoric genomes from Eastern Europe did confirm the presence of a small percentage of Amerindian-related autosomal admixture.

Oddly enough, the L804 branch, which descends from the same Northeast Siberian branch as the Native American M3, is now found exclusively in Germanic countries, including Scandinavia, Germany, Britain and northern France. Like the other Scandinavian branch (L527>Y4827), its genetic diversity suggests that this lineage expanded from a single ancestor living approximately 3,000 years ago, presumably in Scandinavia, in what would have been the Nordic Bronze Age. At present it remains unclear when and how Q1a2-L804 reached Europe in the first place, but it might have been a very long time ago, during the late glacial period or the Mesolithic period. It may well have arrived at the same time as Q-Y4827. Alternatively, L804 might have come as a minor lineage accompanying haplogroup N1c1 from Mongolia until it reached Northeast Europe during the Neolithic period, some 7,000 years ago."
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml

So this "hunnic" Q marker is not related to Huns because that's more older :)

The huns have never been pure mongoloids, lot of Huns had europoid features because Central Asia and Mongolia was partly Indo-European: Iranic and Tocharian tribes lived there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocharians
The Huns were a tribal confederacy of many different tribes like Indo-Europeans, Turks, Mongols, Finno-Ugrics, genetically the Huns connected to them. They were not a homogeneous group, the Huns integrated those that they conquered. The various Slavic, Iranic and Germanic tribes were a few of the assimilated groups. What you see on the movies is almost true, majority of Huns looked like very european, but the Kings and the leader elite was mongoloid or party mongoloid (turanid). It's very possible that Attila had asian traits.

Face reconstructions of European Huns:

https://historum.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi47.tinypic.com%2F302 peeh.jpg&hash=d11861d84c8227baa6bd0faccd9e9f82

https://historum.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.tinypic.com%2F11w 3s42.jpg&hash=676e210aa96273eb0afdabb6f3f4fd61

https://historum.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.tinypic.com%2Fs44 bhe.jpg&hash=9f38b8f19fb511b33d571c0dcd65989e

https://historum.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.tinypic.com%2F2pr z2gp.jpg&hash=b4af5df60006d3fbd742f8096015c491

https://historum.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi47.tinypic.com%2F6ef 2hh.jpg&hash=6ae7674a80bc1dc00b5bced38c68c50c
https://historum.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.tinypic.com%2Fdsk qu.jpg&hash=4f64ba3c73579ea49ec0aff544b82429

Most of them were clearly european looking.

Oghur Turks (bulgar, avar, chuvash, khazar) are descedants of Huns, the Hunnic Language belong to Oghur turkic group:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oghur_languages

Interesting fact but the old Bulgars and Chuvasians had very european genetic, which was not connected to the other Altaic populations:

"[...] We found that the Y-chromosome gene pool in modern Bulgarians is primarily represented by Western Eurasian haplogroups with ~ 40% belonging to haplogroups E-V13 and I-M423, and 20% to R-M17. Haplogroups common in the Middle East (J and G) and in South Western Asia (R-L23*) occur at frequencies of 19% and 5%, respectively. Haplogroups C, N and Q, distinctive for Altaic and Central Asian Turkic-speaking populations, occur at the negligible frequency of only 1.5%. Principal Component analyses group Bulgarians with European populations, apart from Central Asian Turkic-speaking groups and South Western Asia populations. Within the country, the genetic variation is structured in Western, Central and Eastern Bulgaria indicating that the Balkan Mountains have been permeable to human movements. The lineage analysis provided the following interesting results: (i) R-L23* is present in Eastern Bulgaria since the post glacial period; (ii) haplogroup E-V13 has a Mesolithic age in Bulgaria from where it expanded after the arrival of farming; (iii) haplogroup J-M241 probably reflects the Neolithic westward expansion of farmers from the earliest sites along the Black Sea. On the whole, in light of the most recent historical studies, which indicate a substantial proto-Bulgarian input to the contemporary Bulgarian people, our data suggest that a common paternal ancestry between the proto-Bulgarians and the Altaic and Central Asian Turkic-speaking populations either did not exist or was negligible."
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/bulgarians.html

"A sample of 96 unrelated individuals from Chuvashia, Russia was sequenced for hypervariable region-I (HVR-I) of the mtDNA molecule. The Chuvash speak a Turkic language that is not mutually intelligible to other extant Turkish groups, and their genetics are distinct from Turkic-speaking Altaic groups. Some scholars have suggested that they are remnants of the Golden Horde, while others have advocated that they are the products of admixture between Turkic and Finno-Ugric speakers who came into contact during the 13th century. Earlier genetic research using autosomal DNA markers suggested a Finno-Ugric origin for the Chuvash. This study examines non-recombining DNA markers to better elucidate their origins. The majority of individuals in this sample exhibit haplogroups H (31%), U (22%), and K (11%), all representative of western and northern Europeans, but absent in Altaic or Mongolian populations. Multidimensional scaling (MDS) was used to examine distances between the Chuvash and 8 reference populations compiled from the literature. Mismatch analysis showed a unimodal distribution. Along with neutrality tests (Tajima's D (-1.43365) p < 0.05, Fu's FS (-25.50518) p < 0.001), the mismatch distribution is suggestive of an expanding population. These tests suggest that the Chuvash are not related to the Altai and Mongolia along their maternal line but supports the 'Elite' hypothesis that their language was imposed by a conquering group — leaving Chuvash mtDNA largely of Eurasian origin with a small amount of Central Asian gene flow. Their maternal markers appear to most closely resemble Finno-Ugric speakers rather than fellow Turkic speakers."
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/chuvashes.html

Oghur Turks and Huns were genetically europeans, but of course the Asian Huns in Mongolia were mostly mongoloid and asiatic.

There is no significant Hunnic and Mongol genetic in Europe, the eastern looking europeans have all Finno-Ugric ancestry. This group is native Eurasian with significant Siberian admixture:
http://blog.ut.ee/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/fig2-k1-6-journal.pone_.0135820.g003-1.jpg

Why do some Germans still look vaguely Orientalid? Some of it seems as though distant, possibly Mongoloid influence. Not all Germans have this anyway. So it's obvious there are different tribes of Germans.

[Silver Lining]

Mongols were worst barbarians than MENA you idiot , at least MENA had great civilizations when mongols were short horse fuckers.

They were great warriors, fierce and fearless, unlike Southern Europeans who are cowards. Respect the Mong!

http://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/7272342/919full-khulan-chuluun.jpg





Also south Europeans is everything in Europe , you cant even get close to the Glory of Greece and Rome so shut your fucking mouth


LOL, yeah! Germany alone is a hundred times more important than ancient Greece but thanks for playing our game. Greek achievements are minor compared to the last 300 years of the West.



Dont forget that most MENA are part of Caucasoid race while mongols are not caucasoids.
You see in modern times that MENA countries are at the low but this is because of Islam.
In the past these people had great minds and civilizations

The past doesn't count as the old elites are long dead. And I don't give a shit about "Caucasoids". North Sinids are e.g. way superior to Meds in all fields, even athletics. LOL.



I'd rather be 5% Lebanese than 5% ugly german

But you are already fed to 80% by German money.

[DarknessWin]

They were great warriors, fierce and fearless, unlike Southern Europeans who are cowards. Respect the Mong!

http://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/7272342/919full-khulan-chuluun.jpg





LOL, yeah! Germany alone is a hundred times more important than ancient Greece but thanks for playing our game. Greek achievements are minor compared to the last 300 years of the West.



The past doesn't count as the old elites are long dead. And I don't give a shit about "Caucasoids". North Sinids are e.g. way superior to Meds in all fields, even athletics. LOL.



But you are already fed to 80% by German money.


South European cowards??? idiot maybe you live on another planet???
You north bitches fucked from muslims inside your own country

Come here to call us cowards, maybe you forgot ancient Rome and Greece.
Maybe you forgot Spain and Portugal when conquered all mongolian America.

Mongols very brave fighters that never fought man to man but only from far away with bows
and then run away with horses. If this look brave to you then ok

You nordids are the most feminine people , also you are idiots and even in Germany the best scientists
and warriors were Meds. Even the Hitler was Med , this is so funny

German money goes to zionist banks and not in Greece moron, we voted to left from euro and you but Tsipras
never accepted the referendum

https://i.imgur.com/Pbbx7DS.jpg

[cyberlorian]

https://i.imgur.com/Pbbx7DS.jpg

Mediterranean one looks like Armenoid. :)

[Silver Lining]

South European cowards??? idiot maybe you live on another planet???
You north bitches fucked from muslims inside your own country

Come here to call us cowards, maybe you forgot ancient Rome and Greece.
Maybe you forgot Spain and Portugal when conquered all mongolian America.

Mongols very brave fighters that never fought man to man but only from far away with bows
and then run away with horses. If this look brave to you then ok

You nordids are the most feminine people , also you are idiots and even in Germany the best scientists
and warriors were Meds. Even the Hitler was Med , this is so funny


https://media.giphy.com/media/11aitZSSRhHYuQ/giphy.gif

Everything in your post goes so much against reality, it is not worth responding.

What are you doing this evening? Stealing some potatoes and fruits from the fields or do you prefer raiding the trash bins?

Meds without Nordic leaders is like guys in wheelchairs competing in the Olympics.

[Veslan]

Mediterranean one looks like Armenoid. :)

True, the 99% of "Mediterraneans" according to the Mediterraneanists are actually Armenoid/Dinaric/Nordic/CM-Med hybrids at best.

[DarknessWin]

Mediterranean one looks like Armenoid. :)

Then you are clueless at phenotypes because this is Dinaro-Pontid

[DarknessWin]

True, the 99% of "Mediterraneans" according to the Mediterraneanists are actually Armenoid/Dinaric/Nordic/CM-Med hybrids at best.

Learn the difference betwin west med and east med types.
AtlantoMeds have no Dinaroid element

DinaroMeds exist only in Italy and Greece and its also the base of ancient Rome and Greece.
Pontids its the only pure meditteranean form in east med and similar to Atlantomed

About Armenoids simply dont exist here not even as mix in Mediterraneans,
some armenoids types came recently with population exchange with ottomans.
Pontians,Cypriots and Asian Minor people

[DarknessWin]

https://media.giphy.com/media/11aitZSSRhHYuQ/giphy.gif

Everything in your post goes so much against reality, it is not worth responding.

What are you doing this evening? Stealing some potatoes and fruits from the fields or do you prefer raiding the trash bins?

Meds without Nordic leaders is like guys in wheelchairs competing in the Olympics.

Someone speak about cowards and nordic leaders??? I know only 1 leader in world history.... Aristotle.
The man which even hitler followed , too bad he bought the "aryan" crap to you to make you believe that you are special.
Its funny that you speak about nordid leaders but i know noone, even your leader in WW2 was med. Its so funny

Read some Aristotle speaking about barbarians , niggers and nordics

*Aristotle described them(Greeks) as "the perfect race" as they weren't white as Nordics but not dark as Egyptians therefore having the "perfect" complexion.

*Aristotle noted differences between Greeks and the people of the north, believing that Greek superiority was visible in their medium skin tone,
as opposed to pale northerners and dark southerners and Africans. He claimed that blue eyes were a sign of a cowardly nature, and that they indicated poor eyesight.

*Aristotle wrote:
“Those who are too Black are cowards, like for instance, the Egyptians and Ethiopians. But those who are excessively White (like the Scythians) are also
cowards as we can see from the example of women, the complexion of courage is between the two.”

[Mortimer]

richmondbread is the coolest but i did heard of germans being named huns but thought this referrs to their barbaric acts in world wars not their race

[Gangrel]

Then you are clueless at phenotypes because this is Dinaro-Pontid

Pontid? LOL

That drawing is obviously Brachy you masturbation expert

[DarknessWin]

Pontid? LOL

That drawing is obviously Brachy you masturbation expert

What's wrong with your iq fucking clown?? You cant even read ???
I classify him as Dinaro-Pontid and not just Pontid

Dinaro-Pontid can be brachy because it have Dinarid influence.
Also Pontid is Meso most of the time

[Mingle]

richmondbread is the coolest but i did heard of germans being named huns but thought this referrs to their barbaric acts in world wars not their race

That's true, that's where the slur "Hun" comes from.

[Richmondbread]

That's true, that's where the slur "Hun" comes from.

The slur still originated, though, in the widely held belief that Germanic peoples were invaded by Huns, and had remnants of Oriental admixture left in them. It might make sense, considering Germans are smarter than average Europeans, their agressive, yet docile nature, and their hunger for power.

[Mingle]

The slur still originated, though, in the widely held belief that Germanic peoples were invaded by Huns, and had remnants of Oriental admixture left in them. It might make sense, considering Germans are smarter than average Europeans, their agressive, yet docile nature, and their hunger for power.

No, it was because of their barbaric acts. Nothing to do with admixture. Irish nationalists then applied this slur to Brits (since they are Germanic people), which continues to this day.

[Richmondbread]

No, it was because of their barbaric acts. Nothing to do with admixture. Irish nationalists then applied this slur to Brits (since they are Germanic people), which continues to this day.

But you don't think we can see that some Germans do have a vague Oriental appearance about them? My grandfather, for example:

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s141/monumentfloyd/grandfather_zpshxu0lprb.jpg

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

This argentine rugby player have played in germany because he has double nationality.
He has an odd look, maybe he have native admixture, or his ancestors were volga germans.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNn74vUZxj0

[Richmondbread]

This argentine rugby player have played in germany because he has double nationality.
He has an odd look, maybe he have native admixture, or his ancestors were volga germans.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNn74vUZxj0

If he had dark hair he could pass for part Mongolian or Siberian.

[nittionia]

guys germans don’t have non euro admixture


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[cyberlorian]

guys germans don’t have non euro admixture


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They have some amount of West Asian and Southern Central Asian admixtures.

[Veslan]

Learn the difference betwin west med and east med types.
First exists and the second doesn't? :confused:


AtlantoMeds have no Dinaroid element
Never said they have. But they do have CM influence. They are not the classic Mediterranean type, whether you like it or not.


DinaroMeds exist only in Italy and Greece and its also the base of ancient Rome and Greece.
Pontids its the only pure meditteranean form in east med and similar to Atlantomed
Lol WRONG. Only Gracile Mediterranean is a pure Mediterranean form.


About Armenoids simply dont exist here not even as mix in Mediterraneans,
some armenoids types came recently with population exchange with ottomans.
Pontians,Cypriots and Asian Minor people
I've just said that some Mediterraneanists post Armenoid-Med hybrids and try to portray them as "purely Mediterranean" and a proof that you are "stronger than Nordics" (no you aren't).

[DarknessWin]

First exists and the second doesn't? :confused:

Never said they have. But they do have CM influence. They are not the classic Mediterranean type, whether you like it or not.


Lol WRONG. Only Gracile Mediterranean is a pure Mediterranean form.


I've just said that some Mediterraneanists post Armenoid-Med hybrids and try to portray them as "purely Mediterranean" and a proof that you are "stronger than Nordics" (no you aren't).

Well Pontids and DinaroMeds are the stronger people with the stronger stamina.
Noone need the cowards armenoids here idiot.

You are a kid maybe???
Look the old Civilizations and old Heroes,
everyone is Pontid and Dinaromed and you barbarian north are cowards

Especially Polish people are brachy and ball head look like Alpine region.
So get the fuck out of here

[Silver Lining]

Well Pontids and DinaroMeds are the stronger people with the stronger stamina.
Noone need the cowards armenoids here idiot.

You are a kid maybe???
Look the old Civilizations and old Heroes,
everyone is Pontid and Dinaromed and you barbarian north are cowards

Especially Polish people are brachy and ball head look like Alpine region.
So get the fuck out of here

"Pontids" are actually gracile and soft-featured, about what "Pontids" are you talking here?

[RenaRyuguu]

celto-germanic

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56c10360356fb08f1d31ec0b/5a7e379d0d9297f654ffd4df/5a7e379e419202559545ef32/1518221214293/Emma+Stone.JPG



romano-hellenic

http://ris.fashion.telegraph.co.uk/RichImageService.svc/imagecontent/1/TMG10355923/m/penelope-getty_2692701a.jpg

Yes Emma Stone yes perfection

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbw2ekfqpF1ramadmo1_500.jpg

[LezginMBD]

Its called Turanian features many people in North Caucasus have them ,most probably came from Yamnaya/ANE migrations.

[Urbanuss]

guys germans don’t have non euro admixture


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Lol xd.

[Dick]

Does my grandfather have a sort of Asiatic appearance? I have picture of him older and he looks like a Japanese businessman!

the Polish grandfather?

[Banderas]

German actor Cordelia Wege
113394
113395

[Urbanuss]

German actor Cordelia Wege
113394
113395

If she was brazilian, i would guess german ancestry + little amerindian.

[Richmondbread]

the Polish grandfather?

No He was Bavarian.