Svan people

[klarji]

Svans - The eldest and wisest brothers in our SC (aka Kartvelian) family


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biam7S6pNZc

[klarji]

Svans are watching you (especially they are wathing lil Turkoman brother Bori )))

http://i67.tinypic.com/lkwnq.jpg

[klarji]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiAHTGFAnbQ

Svans language sounds beautifully if Svans are in a good mood

[klarji]

Svan unwitten law


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0Sr5lWXD_Q

[klarji]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUnxpU0odlk

Short Svan film (Svan language - English subtitles)

[klarji]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3K8W8CecKA

The trailer of "Dede" another movie in Svan language directed by M. Khatchvani, Svan film director

[Hajimurad]

Did Svans migrated in masse to other regions of Georgia?

[klarji]

Did Svans migrated in masse to other regions of Georgia?


Did Svans migrated in masse to other regions of Georgia?


Did Svans migrated in masse to other regions of Georgia?

mmm
I dont see my answer
so again
Svans migrate to big cities of Georgia like Tbilisi (Kutaisi etc)
also
Svans like other high mountain Kartvelian population are being settled into Southern provinces of Georgia which have no population because of the last centuries wars with Ottomans/Persian empire/Russia so on
They also brought colonial population/or other ethnic minorities/ or there are no population/ no population lands were settled by neighbour ethnic groups (like Ossetians did and now we here here three Ossetia. They are everywhere - South, Eastern, Trialeti Ossetia, good Ossetia, bad Ossetia. Ossetians were everywhere).
so we dont want to repeat "Ossetian" case and these regions were or are being settled by mountainous Kartvelians
its good for Kartvelian language group but bad for seperate mountainous Georgian ethnogroups or Karvtelian peoples

[Hajimurad]

mmm
I dont see my answer
so again
Svans migrate to big cities of Georgia like Tbilisi (Kutaisi etc)
also
Svans like other high mountain Kartvelian population are being settled into Southern provinces of Georgia which have no population because of the last centuries wars with Ottomans/Persian empire/Russia so on
They also brought colonial population/or other ethnic minorities/ or there are no population/ no population lands were settled by neighbour ethnic groups (like Ossetians did and now we here here three Ossetia. They are everywhere - South, Eastern, Trialeti Ossetia, good Ossetia, bad Ossetia. Ossetians were everywhere).
so we dont want to repeat "Ossetian" case and these regions were or are being settled by mountainous Kartvelians
its good for Kartvelian language group but bad for seperate mountainous Georgian ethnogroups or Karvtelian peoples

I have an interest in intra-Kartvelian migration. Do you have a sources about Georgian migration during Arab and Ottoman invasions (not Ossetian or Armenian)? Which Kartvelian groups were involved to repopulation of devastated lands?

[klarji]

I have an interest in intra-Kartvelian migration. Do you have a sources about Georgian migration during Arab and Ottoman invasions (not Ossetian or Armenian)? Which Kartvelian groups were involved to repopulation of devastated lands?

there were mass migrations
my mother village in Kakheti was annihilated by Turcomans of Iran (Sefevid dinasty)
I read then that then it was settled by migrants from Kartli and then Western Georgia - Racha, Imereti. I see it myself by surnames of the village. My mother's ancestor was from Mingrelia.
Also there were mountain Eastern Georgians from Mtiuleti in neighbour village

[Hajimurad]

there were mass migrations
my mother village in Kakheti was annihilated by Turcomans of Iran (Sefevid dinasty)
I read then that then it was settled by migrants from Kartli and then Western Georgia - Racha, Imereti. I see it myself by surnames of the village. My mother's ancestor was from Mingrelia.
Also there were mountain Eastern Georgians from Mtiuleti in neighbour village

Did migrants from Daghestan (Lek, Didoy, Avar) settled and assimilated in Kakheti?

[klarji]

Did migrants from Daghestan (Lek, Didoy, Avar) settled and assimilated in Kakheti?

There are some surnames of Dagestan origin in Tusheti and Kakheti - Antsukhelidze, Lekishvili.
I don't know about early times but about the late middle ages Avarians settled more in South Georgia that was part of Ottoman empire with something like autonomy statues - Akhaltsikhe pashalik.
This part and local Muslim Georgians were used by Ottomans in their war against free Georgian Kingdoms and Principalities. Avar Khans and Avaristan were their allies too. But then the whole Muslim population of this region were Turkified. By Russia that used religion factor.
Though they remember who is local (yerli) who is migrant (gelme), who is Kurd. They also remember that there were many Avars.
In the late middle ages I think there were no Avars. Christian Georgians and Muslim Avars were enemies.
Also in Central Georgia there were classical feudal Kingdoms and Principalities while in Western Dagestan there were free tribal unions or early feudalism.where feudal.relqtions between peasant and feudal.class were much softer.
Its said that more Georgian peasant migrated to Dagestan after their conflict with feudals then from Avaristan to Kakheti.
My mom's ancestor is said to kill.his feudal and as Georgian states has no one police system left with his brothers for another Georgian Kingdom from Mingrelia Principality.
Don't think than Avar peasants left massively to Christian Georgia. Also it was in fire since 15th century. There were bad conditions to live. Armenians and Jews lived in big cities. Turcomans in Southern regions. Though they were nomads and lived their life. Ottomans and Iran Turcomans did not touch them.. Ossetians settled Northern mountain regions that were more safe. Also they firstly recognized local feudal system. But they had no food as were pressed very much from Kabardians and their feudals. They had no way. While Avarians had strong Avar Khan State.

[klarji]

I don't know about Northern Georgian tribal unions.
But they were also pressed much from Avar Khans.
There are more family names and even the whole temi (teyps) of Vaynakh origins. One of them even remembers one of the Nakh languages. Though they are assimilated with local Georgians and Georginized culturally.

[klarji]

I don't know about Northern Georgian tribal unions.
But they were also pressed much from Avar Khans.
There are more family names and even the whole temi (teyps) of Vaynakh origins. One of them even remembers one of the Nakh languages. Though they are assimilated with local Georgians and Georginized culturally and ethnopsychologically..I mean Tsova temi not Kists.who are Chechens/Ingushians who migrated to Kakheti in the 19th century and lived separately without assimilating

[Hajimurad]

There are some surnames of Dagestan origin in Tusheti and Kakheti - Antsukhelidze, Lekishvili.
I don't know about early times but about the late middle ages Avarians settled more in South Georgia that was part of Ottoman empire with something like autonomy statues - Akhaltsikhe pashalik.
This part and local Muslim Georgians were used by Ottomans in their war against free Georgian Kingdoms and Principalities. Avar Khans and Avaristan were their allies too. But then the whole Muslim population of this region were Turkified. By Russia that used religion factor.
Though they remember who is local (yerli) who is migrant (gelme), who is Kurd. They also remember that there were many Avars.
In the late middle ages I think there were no Avars. Christian Georgians and Muslim Avars were enemies.
Also in Central Georgia there were classical feudal Kingdoms and Principalities while in Western Dagestan there were free tribal unions or early feudalism.where feudal.relqtions between peasant and feudal.class were much softer.
Its said that more Georgian peasant migrated to Dagestan after their conflict with feudals then from Avaristan to Kakheti.
My mom's ancestor is said to kill.his feudal and as Georgian states has no one police system left with his brothers for another Georgian Kingdom from Mingrelia Principality.
Don't think than Avar peasants left massively to Christian Georgia. Also it was in fire since 15th century. There were bad conditions to live. Armenians and Jews lived in big cities. Turcomans in Southern regions. Though they were nomads and lived their life. Ottomans and Iran Turcomans did not touch them.. Ossetians settled Northern mountain regions that were more safe. Also they firstly recognized local feudal system. But they had no food as were pressed very much from Kabardians and their feudals. They had no way. While Avarians had strong Avar Khan State.

Descendants of Georgians in Daghestan were of two different kinds. First were descendants of nobles, who escaped royal wrath. They were welcomed by nutsals and shamkhals as mercenaries and were assimilated to local nobility. Second were descendants of captives. They were called Qhiziqh (from Kiziki region of Kakheti) and were turned into serfs. Their condition was worst. Even today they aren't allow to marry uzdens (native peasants).

[Hajimurad]

Did Abkhazians and Mingrelians migrated to each other areas before Russian annexion?

[klarji]

Did Abkhazians and Mingrelians migrated to each other areas before Russian annexion?

In the 18th century Christian Georgian population was surrounded by Muslim world. Abkhazians were mostly pagans but then Ottomans began to spread there Islam. In the 18th they with North Caucasian/Ottoman help occupied Western part of Mingrelian, annihilated Mingrelian population and began to settle there - Abkhazian feudals brought their peasants. In Abkhazian language is said that Agirua or Mingrelian means something like peasant of lowest rights. In Ossetian also Georgian means slave too. When Georgian population was annihilated by Turcomans, Persia and Ottomans their North Caucasian neighbours began their attacks from North too. Sometimes they occupied territories, sometimes they captived Christian population to sell them to Ottomans who had slave market for Christian/pagan slaves till 60-x of 19th century.

[klarji]

Did Abkhazians and Mingrelians migrated to each other areas before Russian annexion?

I don't know well their relations well.
From sources I know only Abkhazians' migration in Mingrelia after they occupied Western part of Mingrelia as in eastern part there still live local Mingrelians (not migrants of Russian period). They had guerilla fights with Abkhazian army in 1994-2004 in those areas.
Now there is Russian border army. Mingrelian population is in apartheid. Again they have the lowest right. Like Georgian population in Akhalgori municipality. After ethnic cleansing of Georgian population in 90-x and 2008 Georgians were left only in this region. Though youth left as they are also in apartheid. Have no rights.
I don't know why but we were never loved by neighbour empires. Once we thought it was because of our religion but Russians are out Orthodox "brothers" )

[Frowning Man]

Did Abkhazians and Mingrelians migrated to each other areas before Russian annexion?

Initially, the Abkhazian principality was subordinate to the Megrelian principality. Megrelians and Abkhazians (original) constantly fought with each other. Then, because of this, the Abkhazian principality was greatly weakened. Later, the Ottomans appeared there and even later, thanks to the support of the Ottomans, Apsua migrated there en masse, since the Ottomans did not like the Georgian population very much because of constant wars and uprisings with them, the North Caucasians were more convenient neighbors for the Ottomans. As a result, the Mingrelians raided the Apsua (this was especially common under Levan II Dadiani), and the Apsua raided the Mingrelians.

The Mingrelian language even has a special word for Apsua, I will not say it, since it is not decent.
We attacked each other, kidnapped people, and then made them slaves in our homelands. Both the Mingrelians and the Apsua did this.
The Svans also frequently raided the Apsua to increase the number of slaves in Svaneti. The Apsua even have folk legends that it is better not to go to the mountains, since evil and bloodthirsty people live there.

I don’t know why, but it was us Svans who were often portrayed as evil and bloodthirsty people, not only Georgians.

[klarji]

Frowning Man

Mmm... You are right
Svans are much more "evil" and bloodthirsty then Georgians (Eastern Georgians)
For example Eastern Georgian Mountaineers had not also state and lived in tribal unions like Upper Svans but they had much more deep and kind ethic system. Respectness to an enemy etc
For example, Tushi Georgians did not respect Avars and respected much more Chechen-Ingushians.
Because Avars were kidnapping children and women what was the worst thing in Georgian ethic values. But Chechen-Ingushians were kidnapping only sheep and goats, shortly food.
My Khevsur teacher told me that Our Southern slopes are much more productive. While Mountain Chechnya is very unfertile and they had to steal to eat. Khevsur Georgians strict codes of dignity was forbidding such things and they were making also war campaign on neighbour mountain Chechen tribe unions only in answer.
Tushis were much more softer then Khevsurs. Though they were very brave. They were professional traveller shepherds and liked more working and intellectualness.
I think Svans would have been very bloodthirsty towards Chechens and Avars then Eastern Georgian mountain tribes were.
For us it's less understanding that North Caucasians are proud of raids.
Firstly raids are thought to be very dishonest. You attack an enemy when he does not expect you and only thing you do is to "fight" with peacefull population - kidnapping children and women while their fathers are at war with Persia or are not at home and have no weapon in his hand.

[klarji]

But how I know all tribal unions were making raids and not such wars that states were making. Their purpose is to rob and not to occupy a territory. And for us it is unclear and disgraceful from the point of the feudal Christian state values where knights had to be sure that their enemies are ready for the battle.

[klarji]

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Svan woman in national close
Ps why I can not normally upload here a photo?

[NSXD60]

Can't classify because it takes Svan to know Svan, however I am familiar with the fairy tale of the ugly foundling Canuckling who grew up
to be a graceful Svan.

[Nakhchi]

Frowning Man

Mmm... You are right
Svans are much more "evil" and bloodthirsty then Georgians (Eastern Georgians)
For example Eastern Georgian Mountaineers had not also state and lived in tribal unions like Upper Svans but they had much more deep and kind ethic system. Respectness to an enemy etc
For example, Tushi Georgians did not respect Avars and respected much more Chechen-Ingushians.
Because Avars were kidnapping children and women what was the worst thing in Georgian ethic values. But Chechen-Ingushians were kidnapping only sheep and goats, shortly food.
My Khevsur teacher told me that Our Southern slopes are much more productive. While Mountain Chechnya is very unfertile and they had to steal to eat. Khevsur Georgians strict codes of dignity was forbidding such things and they were making also war campaign on neighbour mountain Chechen tribe unions only in answer.
Tushis were much more softer then Khevsurs. Though they were very brave. They were professional traveller shepherds and liked more working and intellectualness.
I think Svans would have been very bloodthirsty towards Chechens and Avars then Eastern Georgian mountain tribes were.
For us it's less understanding that North Caucasians are proud of raids.
Firstly raids are thought to be very dishonest. You attack an enemy when he does not expect you and only thing you do is to "fight" with peacefull population - kidnapping children and women while their fathers are at war with Persia or are not at home and have no weapon in his hand.


Chechen and Khevsur mountains have the same amount of fertility, Khevsurs raided Chechen villages just as much as Chechens raided theirs. There are countless of stories of Khevsur raids but imo the Khevsur-Chechen rivalry has been exaggerated a lot, and especially from the Georgian side, maybe because of the Pshavela books. Or i think that true enmity between them was caused because of the Imamate-Russian wars in the mid 1800s where Georgia as a whole became an enemy to Chechens. But other than that in old folktales Georgians and especially Khevsurs (Shedaloy) were seen as close allies against Kalmyks, Nogai, Gazikumukh's and others.

[Frowning Man]

Frowning Man

Mmm... You are right
Svans are much more "evil" and bloodthirsty then Georgians (Eastern Georgians)
For example Eastern Georgian Mountaineers had not also state and lived in tribal unions like Upper Svans but they had much more deep and kind ethic system. Respectness to an enemy etc
For example, Tushi Georgians did not respect Avars and respected much more Chechen-Ingushians.
Because Avars were kidnapping children and women what was the worst thing in Georgian ethic values. But Chechen-Ingushians were kidnapping only sheep and goats, shortly food.
My Khevsur teacher told me that Our Southern slopes are much more productive. While Mountain Chechnya is very unfertile and they had to steal to eat. Khevsur Georgians strict codes of dignity was forbidding such things and they were making also war campaign on neighbour mountain Chechen tribe unions only in answer.
Tushis were much more softer then Khevsurs. Though they were very brave. They were professional traveller shepherds and liked more working and intellectualness.
I think Svans would have been very bloodthirsty towards Chechens and Avars then Eastern Georgian mountain tribes were.
For us it's less understanding that North Caucasians are proud of raids.
Firstly raids are thought to be very dishonest. You attack an enemy when he does not expect you and only thing you do is to "fight" with peacefull population - kidnapping children and women while their fathers are at war with Persia or are not at home and have no weapon in his hand.

Maybe yes. We Svans are much more aggressive and bloodthirsty than other Georgians. But more traditional, and I think we have preserved the real Georgian traditions, mythology best of all, and I think that we have the most real Georgian character. It's a pity other Georgians are different now. The Svans had the most cruel blood feud in the Caucasus. During the blood feud, the Svans massacred all the men in the family. So more than three hundred genera died out. I have noticed western Georgians are more violent. For example Mingrelians are not inferior in cruelty to the Svans. Or, for example, the Gurians are also cruel. If the Svans lived in the place of the Khevsurs or Tushins, then the Svans would be much more cruel to the Vainakhs and Dagestanis. Probably the Svans would take revenge on them for any insignificant offense, cutting out entire villages and all the people nearby. Of all Georgians, I am impressed by the Svans and Khevsurs. Especially the Svans. The Svan character is a real Georgian character. And the Svans are very different from other Caucasians. With their dances, rituals, mythology and character.

This is how Georgians and their other neighbors represent the Svans.
https://a.radikal.ru/a14/2012/62/6e57522df4cb.jpg

[Frowning Man]

Svans
https://b.radikal.ru/b15/2004/e1/77fc77a3beee.jpg

https://a.radikal.ru/a16/2004/65/9e9dd6651c7b.jpg

https://d.radikal.ru/d31/2004/d6/4ed65f3d868c.jpg

[Pater Patota]

Sorry to interrupt of the original topic but i’m very curious as a half Circassian(Kabardin) Is it still unknown who the original habitants of north, south, west and west caucasia?Any conclusion?Some say, except Georgians and Armenians, the rest of the other caucasians were originally Alanic and Turkic.Is it true or just a trash?

[Frowning Man]

Sorry to interrupt of the original topic but i’m very curious as a half Circassian(Kabardin) Is it still unknown who the original habitants of north, south, west and west caucasia?Any conclusion?Some say, except Georgians and Armenians, the rest of the other caucasians were originally Alanic and Turkic.Is it true or just a trash?

No one knows. Any Caucasian people say that they were the first to come to the Caucasus. But this is nonsense. This is not yet known. The North Caucasians were not originally Alans or Turks. The North Caucasians came under the strong influence of the Scythians, Sarmatian, Alanian tribes a long time ago. And I think they have adopted a lot in culture, traditions and clothing. The Alans controlled the North Caucasus for a long time and dominated the North Caucasus. After their disappearance, the Circassian tribes dominated. I'm talking about the North Caucasus. You can only talk about the ancient states that were in the Caucasus. The oldest Caucasian state is considered to be Colchis and Diaoh. They are mentioned somewhere in the 13th century BC. These are the western Georgian states of Megrelov, Laz and Svans. Then the states of Iberia (a kingdom in eastern Georgia) appeared, it was founded by the eastern Georgian tribes. Another old state in the Caucasus is Caucasian Albania. This is the state of the Dagestan tribes.

[klarji]

Maybe yes. We Svans are much more aggressive and bloodthirsty than other Georgians. But more traditional, and I think we have preserved the real Georgian traditions, mythology best of all, and I think that we have the most real Georgian character. It's a pity other Georgians are different now. The Svans had the most cruel blood feud in the Caucasus. During the blood feud, the Svans massacred all the men in the family. So more than three hundred genera died out. I have noticed western Georgians are more violent. For example Mingrelians are not inferior in cruelty to the Svans. Or, for example, the Gurians are also cruel. If the Svans lived in the place of the Khevsurs or Tushins, then the Svans would be much more cruel to the Vainakhs and Dagestanis. Probably the Svans would take revenge on them for any insignificant offense, cutting out entire villages and all the people nearby. Of all Georgians, I am impressed by the Svans and Khevsurs. Especially the Svans. The Svan character is a real Georgian character. And the Svans are very different from other Caucasians. With their dances, rituals, mythology and character.

This is how Georgians and their other neighbors represent the Svans.
https://a.radikal.ru/a14/2012/62/6e57522df4cb.jpg

Svans are Svans. They lived in very high mountains and their mountains very higher then mountains of other Caucasians, as well as mountains of Khevsureti.Svans are the only professionally Alpinist people in the Caucasus.
Because of it their character is very fierce. And Georgians who lives in the soft climate near the Black Sea and Georgian who has been living in Svaneti for millennium would be different anyway. The climate made such different.
About Westerners s you are right. They are much more nacionalistics and don't like settlers in their land. While in the East there are a lot of regions what are colonized by Ossetians Armenians etc
Easterners are also philosophers. They have very deep poetry and song text. While Svans are more life full. Their philosophy "kill the enemy and end up". While Tushi will make the whole philosophy about respectness to others, "we are human being"

What's about true Georgians

Khevsurs and Svans were traditional societies..They did not have a state..and of course traditional society without government official church are much more traditional ) that people of the state
In that state agriculture society is more traditional then industrial society etc

[klarji]

Maybe yes. We Svans are much more aggressive and bloodthirsty than other Georgians. But more traditional, and I think we have preserved the real Georgian traditions, mythology best of all, and I think that we have the most real Georgian character. It's a pity other Georgians are different now. The Svans had the most cruel blood feud in the Caucasus. During the blood feud, the Svans massacred all the men in the family. So more than three hundred genera died out. I have noticed western Georgians are more violent. For example Mingrelians are not inferior in cruelty to the Svans. Or, for example, the Gurians are also cruel. If the Svans lived in the place of the Khevsurs or Tushins, then the Svans would be much more cruel to the Vainakhs and Dagestanis. Probably the Svans would take revenge on them for any insignificant offense, cutting out entire villages and all the people nearby. Of all Georgians, I am impressed by the Svans and Khevsurs. Especially the Svans. The Svan character is a real Georgian character. And the Svans are very different from other Caucasians. With their dances, rituals, mythology and character.

This is how Georgians and their other neighbors represent the Svans.
https://a.radikal.ru/a14/2012/62/6e57522df4cb.jpg

Svans are Svans. They lived in very high mountains and their mountains very higher then mountains of other Caucasians, as well as mountains of Khevsureti.Svans are the only professionally Alpinist people in the Caucasus.
Because of it their character is very fierce. And Georgians who lives in the soft climate near the Black Sea and Georgian who has been living in Svaneti for millennium would be different anyway. The climate made such different.
About Westerners s you are right. They are much more nacionalistics and don't like settlers in their land. While in the East there are a lot of regions what are colonized by Ossetians Armenians etc
Easterners are also philosophers. They have very deep poetry and song text. While Svans are more life full. Their philosophy "kill the enemy and end up". While Tushi will make the whole philosophy about respectness to others, "we are human being"

What's about true Georgians

Khevsurs and Svans were traditional societies..They did not have a state..and of course traditional society without government official church are much more traditional ) that people of the state
In that state agriculture society is more traditional then industrial society etc

[klarji]

Sorry to interrupt of the original topic but i’m very curious as a half Circassian(Kabardin) Is it still unknown who the original habitants of north, south, west and west caucasia?Any conclusion?Some say, except Georgians and Armenians, the rest of the other caucasians were originally Alanic and Turkic.Is it true or just a trash?

The very old population of the Caucasus are recognized so called Paleo Caucasian language speaker peoples like Chechens Circassians Lezgins Circassians etc.
Indo European tribes whose languagal descendants are Armenians Ossetians migrated to the region later while Turkic languages of Oghuz or Kıpçak groups came in the middle ages.
Karachay-Balkars and Kazakh people in Kazakhstan can understand each other
Now there are panTurkists and Nazis among Armenians and Ossetians who want to prove Indo-European / Turkic langAuges are original inhabitants but such ideas are popular only among their societies.

Original inhabitants - peoples of Abkazo-Adyghean, Nakh-Dagestanian, Kartvelian language groups/families.

Alanya was a Kingdom in the steppes of the North-West Caucasus and it's controlled mountain too but Chechenya is ruled by Ryssia but it.doea not mean there live Russians

Alans are recognized to be Indo-Europeans from Aryan group. Though PanTurkist say they are Turkic. But except Turkic so called patriots what I see nobody believe it. normal educated Turkic speaking people as well.

[Frowning Man]

Svans are Svans. They lived in very high mountains and their mountains very higher then mountains of other Caucasians, as well as mountains of Khevsureti.Svans are the only professionally Alpinist people in the Caucasus.
Because of it their character is very fierce. And Georgians who lives in the soft climate near the Black Sea and Georgian who has been living in Svaneti for millennium would be different anyway. The climate made such different.
About Westerners s you are right. They are much more nacionalistics and don't like settlers in their land. While in the East there are a lot of regions what are colonized by Ossetians Armenians etc
Easterners are also philosophers. They have very deep poetry and song text. While Svans are more life full. Their philosophy "kill the enemy and end up". While Tushi will make the whole philosophy about respectness to others, "we are human being"

What's about true Georgians

Khevsurs and Svans were traditional societies..They did not have a state..and of course traditional society without government official church are much more traditional ) that people of the state
In that state agriculture society is more traditional then industrial society etc

That is why I like the Svans. Their mentality and philosophy are close to me. These are specific guys. Although I'm only half Svan.

[klarji]

That is why I like the Svans. Their mentality and philosophy are close to me. These are specific guys. Although I'm only half Svan.
Same
I like archaical cultures of traditional Georgian societies
But anyway the glory history of the Middle Age Georgian Kingdom or ancient Colchis was developed by central statowned Georgian societies