Classify Greek Nationalist friend and where he pass best out of Greece

[DarknessWin]

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[Tauromachos]

Greece

In particular the zone from Epiros til Crete

[Crazy W.]

East Med...

[Livin]

This guy has no forerhead rofl

[DarknessWin]

This guy has no forerhead rofl

Yes he is closer to AtlantoMed type than Pontid

[Livin]

Yes he is closer to AtlantoMed type than Pontid

He dosnt pass in northern greece IMO.

Very southern shifted/islander type individual.


I would guess him as a Cretan for first option.

[DarknessWin]

East Med...

Ok this "east med" non exist type get in my nerves more and more everytime.

If you people cant properly classify then dont do it at all

[DarknessWin]

He dosnt pass in northern greece IMO.

Very southern shifted/islander type individual.


I would guess him as a Cretan for first option.

He is Pelloponessian

[Livin]

He is Pelloponessian

Very good example of how ancient greeks looking like!

[DarknessWin]

Very good example of how ancient greeks looking like!

Yes he pass but majority of them were Pontids and DinaroPontids.
He look AtlantoMed to me

[Livin]

Yes he pass but majority of them were Pontids and DinaroPontids.
He look AtlantoMed to me

All these things are pseudoscience for me.

This guy looks 100% neolithic farmer.Pontid,atlantomed,gracile med no matter at all.

The sure thing, is that he is not fair/pale skinned like the locals in northern greece,thessalia and thrace.

Very med looking.

I would like to see his skull shape,if you have any pic post plss.

[Papastratosels26]

Mainland but South Greece imo

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[Tauromachos]

All these things are pseudoscience for me.

This guy looks 100% neolithic farmer.Pontid,atlantomed,gracile med no matter at all.

The sure thing, is that he is not fair/pale skinned like the locals in northern greece,thessalia and thrace.

Very med looking.

I would like to see his skull shape,if you have any pic post plss.

He looks very Cretan in some of the pictures

[Rgvgjhvv]

Looks more "Eastern" than "Northern"

[Tauromachos]

Yes he pass but majority of them were Pontids and DinaroPontids.
He look AtlantoMed to me

He doesn't pass in NW Europe at least not typical

I would guess him as Greek if i wouldn't knew 99% sure

Real Atlanto Meds pass in NW Europe often

They look Southern but not distinct

[Marmara]

He looks MENA

[Cristiano viejo]

He look AtlantoMed to me
Atlanto Med? no, at all. I dont see him passing in Spain.

[Livin]

He looks MENA

Crete has MENA.

[Tauromachos]

Crete has MENA.

He looks Greek

He pass not only in Crete but also Peloponnese
where in fact he is from according to the OP

Mena has some Ancient Greek influence as well and some Menas can look Greek type like
We can't denie that

[Papastratosels26]

Crete has MENA.Especially North African influence.
Berbers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Crete

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[Livin]

He looks Greek

He pass not only in Crete but also Peloponnese
where in fact he is from according to the OP

Mena has some Ancient Greek influence as well and some Menas can look Greek type like
We can't denie that


This Specific individual can pass easy in syria or lebanon.

Crete has MENA due to East med admixture, like Aegean and South Italy.

YOU didnt learned anything from Your friend Sikeliot?

[Livin]

Especially North African influence.
Berbers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Crete

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Actually this person is from Peloponnesus.,but he can pass in. Crete too and islands.

[Papastratosels26]

I know but I was trolling.
Actually this person is from Peloponnesus.,but he can pass in. Crete too and islands.

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[Jay_Tee]

I'm not an expert by any means but if I saw him strolling down the street here I would assume that he is a Syrian migrant or something like that.

[catgeorge]

He can easily pass in Epirus and Thessaloniki

[Livin]

He can easily pass in Epirus and Thessaloniki

This person is greek not anatolian,slavobulgar or albanian....

[Livin]

I'm not an expert by any means but if I saw him strolling down the street here I would assume that he is a Syrian migrant or something like that.

We don’t want your opinion troll.


You created a fake acount to post this shit?

[Tauromachos]

This Specific individual can pass easy in syria or lebanon.

Crete has MENA due to East med admixture, like Aegean and South Italy.

YOU didnt learned anything from Your friend Sikeliot?

Hahah lol :cool:

[catgeorge]

This person is greek not anatolian,slavobulgar or albanian....

He'll fit in the mountains of Epirus with no problem


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KthRdx9fkS4

[Livin]

He'll fit in the mountains of Epirus with no problem


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KthRdx9fkS4


I have been in Ioannina many times and i never seen a similar person like this.In thesslaoniki were i live,he don’t pass.I am 100% serious to this.

[catgeorge]

I have been in Ioannina many times and i never seen a similar person like this.In thesslaoniki were i live,he don’t pass.I am 100% serious to this.

You haven't looked hard enough. He would easily pass in Thessaloniki I am a native I am 100% sure of this.

[Livin]

You haven't looked hard enough. He would easily pass in Thessaloniki I am a native I am 100% sure of this.

He passes like what?

As a local macedonian?I know guys from Crete,Peloponnesus and islands who study here and they are way deifderent from both local macedonians and anatolian greeks.

This guy would be something atypical for here.

[Tauromachos]

He passes like what?

As a local macedonian?I know guys from Crete,Peloponnesus and islands who study here and they are way deifderent from both local macedonians and anatolian greeks.

This guy would be something atypical for here.

Native Epirotes can look like him i think

About Macedonians not sure

[catgeorge]

He passes like what?

As a local macedonian?I know guys from Crete,Peloponnesus and islands who study here and they are way deifderent from both local macedonians and anatolian greeks.

This guy would be something atypical for here.

If he walks down the street no one would see him as atypical you must be one of the biggest idiots or a very good troll. He is a mediterranean over 70% of of locals in Thessaloniki are Meds how is he not going to fit in. Are you feeling ok

[Livin]

Native Epirotes can look like him i think

About Macedonians not sure

I am not sure about epirus.I have been only in Ioannina.The people there looking balkaners without doubt!

But for thessaloniki and northern greece i am 100%.


And tbh he passes better as an anatolian(cappadocian/Pontian etc) rather local macedonia.

[Marmara]

I am not sure about epirus.I have been only in Ioannina.The people there looking balkaners without doubt!

But for thessaloniki and northern greece i am 100%.


And tbh he passes better as an anatolian(cappadocian/Pontian etc) rather local macedonia.

He doesn't look Anatolian, he looks straight Syrian.

[Aspar]

Looks Caucasian.
Especially with that small forehead...

[Livin]

If he walks down the street no one would see him as atypical you must be one of the biggest idiots or a very good troll. He is a mediterranean over 70% of of locals in Thessaloniki are Meds how is he not going to fit in. Are you feeling ok



The only idiot here is probably you.Do you live in thessaloniki?I don’t think so.You are a refugee as i know!

And who told you that the med people in northern greece looking like the average cretan or peloponnesian/aegean islander?

Even darknesswin agreed with me that he dosnt look Pontid.



You are not the same with southern greeks from both genetics and looks.Even if you put out your slavic admixture you lack minoan/mycenean admixture.

You are closer to a bulgar,albanian rather to a sicilian,south italian.

[Livin]

He doesn't look Anatolian, he looks straight Syrian.



I didn’t said he looks anatolian.I said he passs better as pontic or cappadocian rather local macedonian.


Indeed he looks syrian,lebanese etc.

[Rgvgjhvv]

He has a terrorist beard so people are thinking he looks more exotic than he actually is. I had a beard similar to that and a Pakistani man thought I was Punjabi, lol.

He looks much more typical Greek in the pictures with his beard closer to his face.

[catgeorge]

The only idiot here is probably you.Do you live in thessaloniki?I don’t think so.You are a refugee as i know!

And who told you that the med people in northern greece looking like the average cretan or peloponnesian/aegean islander?

Even darknesswin agreed with me that he dosnt look Pontid.



You are not the same with southern greeks from both genetics and looks.Even if you put out your slavic admixture your lack minoan/minoan admixture.

You are closer to a bulgar,albanian rather to a sicilian,south italian.

I lived in Thessaloniki for first 19 years of my life all my family is still there. What does slavic admixture and other nonsense has got to do with it. Just proves you are an idiot.

Again if he walks down the streets in Thessaloniki no one would see him as atypical. This comes from a local not a refugee from Caucusus.

[Livin]

I lived in Thessaloniki for first 19 years of my life all my family is still there. What does slavic admixture and other nonsense has got to do with it. Just proves you are an idiot.

Again if he walks down the streets in Thessaloniki no one would see him as atypical. This comes from a local not a refugee from Caucusus.



You lived.I still live and i will till i die.You get your ass and moved somewhere to feed your empty stomach.


Better refugee from caucasus rather bulgaroslavic απόγονος κομμητατζηδων :)

[catgeorge]

You lived.I still live and i will till i die.You get your ass and moved somewhere to feed your empty stomach.


Better refugee from caucasus rather bulgaroslavic απόγονος κομμητατζηδων :)

Yes thanks for the Armenoid admixture in Thessaloniki. We very much appreciate it - now you can take it back.

[Mr. Anybody]

Interesting

[Livin]

Yes thanks for the Armenoid admixture in Thessaloniki. We very much appreciate it - now you can take it back.

Ty for the baltid, gorid and north pontid admixture in whole thrace and macedonia region.

Έλα πλύνε κανα πιάτο εκει που είσαι και μην λες πολλα.Τους Ποντίους και τους μικρασιατες η φαρα σου τους ζήτησε δεν ήρθαν εδω απο μόνοι τους.

Τώρα θα μας τρως στη μάπα :thumb001:

[Jay_Tee]

We don’t want your opinion troll.


You created a fake acount to post this shit?

Why am I a troll? I gave you my honest opinion of what I would think if I saw him. He does not look European to me.

[catgeorge]

Ty for the baltid, gorid and north pontid admixture in whole thrace and macedonia region.

Έλα πλύνε κανα πιάτο εκει που είσαι και μην λες πολλα.Τους Ποντίους και τους μικρασιατες η φαρα σου τους ζήτησε δεν ήρθαν εδω απο μόνοι τους.

Τώρα θα μας τρως στη μάπα :thumb001:
και τα μυαλα στα καγκελα - εαν μπορεις να πεις μια επιτυχια απο τους προσφιγοαρμενεζους εγω παντως θα σ'ακουσω

[Livin]

και τα μυαλα στα καγκελα - εαν μπορεις να πεις μια επιτυχια απο τους προσφιγοαρμενεζους εγω παντως θα σ'ακουσω

Η μεγαλύτερη επιτυχία ειναι που ήρθαμε και κάναμε τη θεσσαλονικη και την βόρεια ελλαδα δίκη μας.Η φαρα σου ειναι εξαφανισμένη απο όλες τις απόψεις.Στη Θεσσαλονικη και στην επαρχία έξω κουμάντο κανουν πρώτοι πρώτοι οι Ποντιοι και ολοι οι άλλοι έρχονται δεύτεροι.Η αστική τάξη και οι πλουσιότεροι επισης Ποντιοι μαζι με τους εβραίους του κέντρου(γιατι ειμαι δίκαιος).

Εσυ απο την αλλη είσαι ενας ξυπόλητος πεινάλας που την εκανε στα ξένα μπάς και λιγδώσει το αντεράκι του.Το οτι πουλάς εθνικιστιλικι και πατριωτισμό απο το εξωτερικό εεεε αυτό και αν είναι γελοίο.

[catgeorge]

Η μεγαλύτερη επιτυχία ειναι που ήρθαμε και κάναμε τη θεσσαλονικη και την βόρεια ελλαδα δίκη μας.Η φαρα σου ειναι εξαφανισμένη απο όλες τις απόψεις.Στη Θεσσαλονικη και στην επαρχία έξω κουμάντο κανουν πρώτοι πρώτοι οι Ποντιοι και ολοι οι άλλοι έρχονται δεύτεροι.Η αστική τάξη και οι πλουσιότεροι επισης Ποντιοι μαζι με τους εβραίους του κέντρου(γιατι ειμαι δίκαιος).

Εσυ απο την αλλη είσαι ενας ξυπόλητος πεινάλας που την εκανε στα ξένα μπάς και λιγδώσει το αντεράκι του.Το οτι πουλάς εθνικιστιλικι και πατριωτισμό απο το εξωτερικό εεεε αυτό και αν είναι γελοίο.

Και μετα ξυπνησες

[Tauromachos]

Hahahaha Epic!^:rolleyes:

[Livin]

Και μετα ξυπνησες

Ρε μετανάστη γιατι ασχολείσαι με την Ελλάδα?

Αφού δεν ζεις εδώ.Εναν αλβανο που ζει και εργάζεται εδώ και πληρώνει φόρους τον εχω σε μεγαλύτερη εκτίμηση απο εσενα.

[catgeorge]

Ρε μετανάστη γιατι ασχολείσαι με την Ελλάδα?

Αφού δεν ζεις εδώ.Εναν αλβανο που ζει και εργάζεται εδώ και πληρώνει φόρους τον εχω σε μεγαλύτερη εκτίμηση απο εσενα.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcvAOpnnMK0

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Alpine-Med\CM.

[Livin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcvAOpnnMK0

Ο άρης δημιουργήθηκε απο Εβραίους Σεφαρδίτες ως επι το πλείστον.Εσύ αφού λες οτι είσαι απόγονος των Μακεδόνων δεν θα επρεπε να υποστηρίζεις το συγκεκριμένο σωματείο.

[catgeorge]

Ο άρης δημιουργήθηκε απο Εβραίους Σεφαρδίτες ως επι το πλείστον.Εσύ αφού λες οτι είσαι απόγονος των Μακεδόνων δεν θα επρεπε να υποστηρίζεις το συγκεκριμένο σωματείο.

https://i.imgur.com/kKBNPKr.jpg

https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Photo/competitions/Comp_Matches/01/98/33/71/1983371_w2.jpg

[nafz]

https://i.imgur.com/kKBNPKr.jpg

https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Photo/competitions/Comp_Matches/01/98/33/71/1983371_w2.jpg

H ομοιοτητα του Τζιωλη με τον εικονιζομενο στη μεση στην ασπρομαυρη φωτογραφια , ειναι τρομερη!

[Livin]

https://i.imgur.com/kKBNPKr.jpg

https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Photo/competitions/Comp_Matches/01/98/33/71/1983371_w2.jpg



Καλά την κυριακή ετοιμάσου να δεις πως γαμάνε οι Τούρκοι.Ρε χαζούλη πάρε το χαμπάρι εξαφανισμένοι είστε και η χαζοφαρα σου οι κομητατζηδες και ο αρουλης σου ο τριτοεθνικακιας ο περίγελος....

[DarknessWin]

This Specific individual can pass easy in syria or lebanon.

Crete has MENA due to East med admixture, like Aegean and South Italy.

YOU didnt learned anything from Your friend Sikeliot?

No way he pas as MENA because he is 0% Armenoid

[DarknessWin]

Alpine-Med\CM.

Dont pass as Iberian ??
He look more west med to me

[Bosniensis]

He can't pass in Ex-Yu.

[Livin]

No way he pas as MENA because he is 0% Armenoid

MENAS do not have only armenoids and Orientalids.

They have also med swarthy types.I have seen many Syrians here looking close to this.

[Gold-Shekel]

Syria

[Yaglakar]

could pass from levant to afghanistan. his friend as well.

[kleenex]

He passes like what?

As a local macedonian?I know guys from Crete,Peloponnesus and islands who study here and they are way deifderent from both local macedonians and anatolian greeks.

This guy would be something atypical for here.

Now that's absolutely not true. Peloponnesians are generally Atlanto Meds, Alpine Meds, Dinarids and actually are very Western looking to me. But generally there is no real clear phenotypic difference between Northern mainlanders and Southern mainlanders other than you may have a few more Gorid/Baltid types up there. I'll tell you for a fact that in the mountain villages of the Peloponnese you do have some minor Baltid types for sure some of them are my relatives. I'm not sure where this guy is from in the Peloponnese but I would say Mani possibly but he could definitely pass as a Cretan.

[kleenex]

The only idiot here is probably you.Do you live in thessaloniki?I don’t think so.You are a refugee as i know!

And who told you that the med people in northern greece looking like the average cretan or peloponnesian/aegean islander?

Even darknesswin agreed with me that he dosnt look Pontid.



You are not the same with southern greeks from both genetics and looks.Even if you put out your slavic admixture you lack minoan/mycenean admixture.

You are closer to a bulgar,albanian rather to a sicilian,south italian.

Wow your'e way off in your perceptions of Peloponnesians in general. Phenotypically Peloponnesians may be closer to Central Itals whereas Macedonians are closer to Bulgarians possibly. Aegean Islands are much more similar to Sicilians. Genetically speaking there is very little difference on the mainland and science has proved it.

[Livin]

Wow your'e way off in your perceptions of Peloponnesians in general. Phenotypically Peloponnesians may be closer to Central Itals whereas Macedonians are closer to Bulgarians possibly. Aegean Islands are much more similar to Sicilians. Genetically speaking there is very little difference on the mainland and science has proved it.

Dude Stfu already.

I Live in Greece and i know better than you How peloponnesians look like.

Eat your Mac Donald and leave These threads for people who Live here.

Peloponnesians are not all the same.There are also Slavic input and some foreign from Egyptian conquest remains.

[Livin]

Wow your'e way off in your perceptions of Peloponnesians in general. Phenotypically Peloponnesians may be closer to Central Itals whereas Macedonians are closer to Bulgarians possibly. Aegean Islands are much more similar to Sicilians. Genetically speaking there is very little difference on the mainland and science has proved it.

And who told you that Peloponnesians are atlantomed rofl.

First of all there are many Dinarids or dinaricized types without Being of arvanite origins. Have you ever trip in laconia to see How they look like?

There are many Dinarids and alpines with very High cephalic index. Not to mention Pergus Witch is full of swarthy gypsies.

[kleenex]

And who told you that Peloponnesians are atlantomed rofl.

First of all there are many Dinarids or dinaricized types without Being of arvanite origins. Have you ever trip in laconia to see How they look like?

There are many Dinarids and alpines with very High cephalic index. Not to mention Pergus Witch is full of swarthy gypsies.

All of my family is from Messinia (with the exception of my maternal grandmother who's from Arcadia) and I've been to all of four of my grandparents villages three times in my life. So yes I'm pretty familiar with what they look like.

[kleenex]

And who told you that Peloponnesians are atlantomed rofl.

First of all there are many Dinarids or dinaricized types without Being of arvanite origins. Have you ever trip in laconia to see How they look like?

There are many Dinarids and alpines with very High cephalic index. Not to mention Pergus Witch is full of swarthy gypsies.

Where are you from?

[Livin]

All of my family is from Messinia (with the exception of my maternal grandmother who's from Arcadia) and I've been to all of four of my grandparents villages three times in my life. So yes I'm pretty familiar with what they look like.

And they look atlantomeds rofl:picard1:

Go a trip in laconia, pergus,kalamata, patra and come again and tell me if they look all the same atlantomed types.

[Livin]

All of my family is from Messinia (with the exception of my maternal grandmother who's from Arcadia) and I've been to all of four of my grandparents villages three times in my life. So yes I'm pretty familiar with what they look like.

Btw i cant understand Why you arguing with me.

I said this Specific individual looks 100% real Greek. A very southern shifted med type Witch is founding only in southern Greece.

[Tauromachos]

He can't pass in Ex-Yu.

Well yes since he looks native Greek and not Balkan

Real Greek natives types from the Mainland don't look Balkan in general

Only here in TA they do:rolleyes:

[kleenex]

Btw i cant understand Why you arguing with me.

I said this Specific individual looks 100% real Greek. A very southern shifted med type Witch is founding only in southern Greece.

Didn't mean to argue with you just believe that there isn't much of a difference North to South but I do think that there is a continuum from Maccedoni/Thrace to Thessaly to Boetia. Seems to be somewhat of a difference in the continuum from Epirus to Rumeli to Peloponnese but I'll defer to others on that.

[Tauromachos]

Didn't mean to argue with you just believe that there isn't much of a difference North to South but I do think that there is a continuum from Maccedoni/Thrace to Thessaly to Boetia. Seems to be somewhat of a difference in the continuum from Epirus to Rumeli to Peloponnese but I'll defer to others on that.

There is also a contunium form Southern Peloponnese into Crete

Anyway
most regions of Greece"Mainland and Islands" share same or at least similar looks with slight differences and variations.


Differences can be metrical ones like Cephalic index but also pigmentation.

Many North Greeks looks similar to average Islanders even only that in general their pigmentation is lighter
and they are a bit more Brachy.
Which should be expected since they are in the North.



Its true that the cephalic index increases in general when you go up North in Greece in particular when compared to Non Mainland
Greeks"Islanders".

Individualy i have seen everything from Cretan looking Epirotes till North Greek looking Cretans or Cyclade Islanders.

When you compare Greeks in groups you can see differences.
But many people are not fair and objective about these differences and often exagerate

Its also true that some Mainland Greeks have visibly more Non Greek Balkanic and Slavic influence than other Greeks from the Mainland.

If one acknowledges that some Islanders,Asia Minor Greeks or Cypriots are exotic or outlying for Greeks or don't pass in the rest of Greek because of visible
influence from West Asia or Mena one has also to acknowledge that individualy some Greeks in the Mainland show more Slavic or Balkanite
and hence don't represent the typical Greek look of native Mainlanders and look equaly outlying for Greeks in general

[Livin]

Didn't mean to argue with you just believe that there isn't much of a difference North to South but I do think that there is a continuum from Maccedoni/Thrace to Thessaly to Boetia. Seems to be somewhat of a difference in the continuum from Epirus to Rumeli to Peloponnese but I'll defer to others on that.

I am person witch has the luck to travel all Greece from very young age.I have been in many places and cities.Not all ofc!!!

I have been from Evros down to Crete and Islands.

I am telling you that both looks and genetics are not the same.


Thrace,Macedonia,some parts of epirus(Especially Ioannina),and Thessalia are very northern shifted from both genetics and phenotypes.


Southern Greece like Crete,aegean islands,dodecannisa,peloponnesus,central greece(Attica) are more close to what we call mycenenas/Minoans.And they are more southerneastern shifted from both looks and genetics.


South=More MENA/WEST ASIA input.
North=SLAVO-VLACH/MORE BALKAN shifted.

Put out anatolian greeks with exception some of them in the west coast witch are trully greeks.


Northern Greece even without the slavic/vlach admixture lacks Minoan/Mycenean admixture.
So,a northern greek is closer to bulgars,albanians etc than to a south italian or sicilian.


Even Fyromanians(lets be honest here) are way more natives in balkans than northern greeks who are more eastern shifted.


You can also see it from looks.The averege Cretan/islander and southern peloponnesian is not exactly the same phenomenically from a local from Macedonia or Thrace.This guy here trust me,will never passed in northern Greece.The majority will assume him as a syrian or lebanese.


Southern Greece more MENA than northewestern parts.This is why you see guys like this here!!!

Do not take serious trolls like catgeorge dude!!!

[Kamal900]

Atlanto-Med. Or maybe Pontid and Med. Not really sure.

[Livin]

Atlanto-Med. Or maybe Pontid and Med. Not really sure.

Can he pass in levant dude?

We want your opinion here.I am asking beasue i have seen many syrian refugees looking close to this guy.

Tell us plss.

[Kamal900]

Can he pass in levant dude?

We want your opinion here.I am asking beasue i have seen many syrian refugees looking close to this guy.

Tell us plss.

Maybe as an atypical Syrian, sure. But he sure as hell wouldn't pass for Palestinian or Jordanian.

[Livin]

Maybe as an atypical Syrian, sure. But he sure as hell wouldn't pass for Palestinian or Jordanian.

Ofc not jordanian or palestinian.

[Tauromachos]

Even Fyromanians(lets be honest here) are way more natives in balkans than northern greeks who are more eastern shifted.


This is not true,sorry

It doesn't make sense or is possible in any regard that any Slavic or Slavic speaking population in general is less North Eastern or Slavic shifted
than a Greek one

Only individualy this might apply but this means nothing

One Epirote for example posted by Sikeliot scored 27 East Med this is higher than some
Cyclade Islanders who score 25 only.

Does it meant that Epirotes are more East Med shifted than Aegean Islanders?

Certainly no one here would believe so

The Macedonian trolls here most of the results and people they post are from Bitola at the direct border to Greece
In fact this regions has been Greek and Vlach and was formerly known under the name Monastiri.

They don't represent the average Individual from Skopje

No way

Don' t be fooled

[Freeroostah]

Mediterranean but I also see some Berid influence.

Sikeliot is right about Peloponnesians looking Iberian

[Tauromachos]

Mediterranean but I also see some Berid influence.

Sikeliot is right about Peloponnesians looking Iberian

I agree he fits in Iberia well too

He doesn't look Lebanese or Mena

Can maybe pass there

But passing and looking are two different things

The Dude looks Greek/Southern European

[Bosniensis]

Well yes since he looks native Greek and not Balkan

Real Greek natives types from the Mainland don't look Balkan in general

Only here in TA they do:rolleyes:

I was never of opinion that Greeks look like Balkan people, in my case I was talking about ancient Romans and paleo western Balkan populace but it seems that Greeks don’t know the difference between those two so they think I am wannabe Greek lol. That’s probably cause Fyromanians claim Greek identity or something not sure tbh


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[Kamal900]

I agree he fits in Iberia well too

He doesn't look Lebanese or Mena

Can maybe pass there

But passing and looking are two different things

The Dude looks Greek/Southern European

He can pass in Lebanon or Syria, but honestly, he strikes me more as a Greek or Southern Euro in general than anything.

[Tauromachos]

I was never of opinion that Greeks look like Balkan people, in my case I was talking about ancient Romans and paleo western Balkan populace but it seems that Greeks don’t know the difference between those two so they think I am wannabe Greek lol. That’s probably cause Fyromanians claim Greek identity or something not sure tbh


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You can claim whatever you want as long as you don't troll us to much or become annoying

But the center of Rome was in Italy

So Italians are in the first place the heirs of West Rome

Of course Ancient West Balkan was pretty much Roman and Latin

This you can see also by the fact that Albanians genetically or close to Tuscans and Central Italians among other things

[Livin]

Atlanto Med? no, at all. I dont see him passing in Spain.

Where you think he pases as first option if not like a spaniard?

[Cristiano viejo]

Especially North African influence.
Berbers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Crete


They were not Berbers but muladis ie ethnic Iberians converted to Islam.

[Cristiano viejo]

Where you think he pases as first option if not like a spaniard?

No idea. He has an ambiguous look.

[Jana]

He just looks extremely Greek to me. Can't se anything MENA...

[Seth MacFarlane]

very greek face but outside of Greece probably balkans and Caucasus

[Livin]

very greek face but outside of Greece probably balkans and Caucasus

This person would never pass in caucasus or balkans.

[Seth MacFarlane]

This person would never pass in caucasus or balkans.

never is an extreme statement seeing how both groups mentioned are very diverse .

[Tauromachos]

never is an extreme statement seeing how both groups mentioned are very diverse .

He doesn't look Balkanic as you can see also been verified by Bosniensi's post

[Seth MacFarlane]

He doesn't look Balkanic as you can see also been verified by Bosniensi's post

okie dokie , can pass in Georgia tho. not that it matters he looks very greek .. im just answering the OP

[Mingle]

Outside of Greece, he'd pass best in Syria/Lebanon IMO.

[rein]

Looks very Greek.

[nafz]

I am person witch has the luck to travel all Greece from very young age.I have been in many places and cities.Not all ofc!!!

I have been from Evros down to Crete and Islands.

I am telling you that both looks and genetics are not the same.


Thrace,Macedonia,some parts of epirus(Especially Ioannina),and Thessalia are very northern shifted from both genetics and phenotypes.


Southern Greece like Crete,aegean islands,dodecannisa,peloponnesus,central greece(Attica) are more close to what we call mycenenas/Minoans.And they are more southerneastern shifted from both looks and genetics.


South=More MENA/WEST ASIA input.
North=SLAVO-VLACH/MORE BALKAN shifted.

Put out anatolian greeks with exception some of them in the west coast witch are trully greeks.


Northern Greece even without the slavic/vlach admixture lacks Minoan/Mycenean admixture.
So,a northern greek is closer to bulgars,albanians etc than to a south italian or sicilian.


Even Fyromanians(lets be honest here) are way more natives in balkans than northern greeks who are more eastern shifted.


You can also see it from looks.The averege Cretan/islander and southern peloponnesian is not exactly the same phenomenically from a local from Macedonia or Thrace.This guy here trust me,will never passed in northern Greece.The majority will assume him as a syrian or lebanese.


Southern Greece more MENA than northewestern parts.This is why you see guys like this here!!!

Do not take serious trolls like catgeorge dude!!!

Bullshit. It does not matter if you been to Greece or not you are just parroting Sikeliots theories, a person who has never been to Greece.
Your south Greece = MENA and north Greece = SLAVO/VLACH theory is utterly ridiculous. I myself have met tons of people from Northern Greece who look super Mediterranean and would not pass as Slavs. And NO, they were not from Pontic /Anatolian / Ionian Ancestry their families were for Generations Northern Greek!
Your "KnowItAll" attitude is annoying to us Greeks and misleading to users from other countries who want to learn about Greek phenotypes.

[Livin]

Bullshit. It does not matter if you been to Greece or not you are just parroting Sikeliots theories, a person who has never been to Greece.
Your south Greece = MENA and north Greece = SLAVO/VLACH theory is utterly ridiculous. I myself have met tons of people from Northern Greece who look super Mediterranean and would not pass as Slavs. And NO, they were not from Pontic /Anatolian / Ionian Ancestry their families were for Generations Northern Greek!
Your "KnowItAll" attitude is annoying to us Greeks and misleading to users from other countries who want to learn about Greek phenotypes.

You really didn’t understand anything from what i mention.

i didnt said that northern greeks are not meds rofl.

Read carefully my previous posts.And i am not talking only about phenotypes,but also genetics.


Ionians?ahahaha the fact that you taking serious this stupid term means a lot that how clueless you are.

[catgeorge]

Bullshit. It does not matter if you been to Greece or not you are just parroting Sikeliots theories, a person who has never been to Greece.
Your south Greece = MENA and north Greece = SLAVO/VLACH theory is utterly ridiculous. I myself have met tons of people from Northern Greece who look super Mediterranean and would not pass as Slavs. And NO, they were not from Pontic /Anatolian / Ionian Ancestry their families were for Generations Northern Greek!
Your "KnowItAll" attitude is annoying to us Greeks and misleading to users from other countries who want to learn about Greek phenotypes.

Agreed - tried to explain to him but he is too dogmatic. Must be a huge komplex he has.

[Tauromachos]

Ionians?ahahaha the fact that you taking serious this stupid term means a lot that how clueless you are.

???
I don't understand what you mean here

He means certainly the Greeks from West Asia Minor like Smyrna,Aidini,Aivali e.c.t

Because these regions were mainly settled in Ancient time by Ionian Greeks and hence also called Ionia

[Livin]

???
I don't understand what you mean here

He means certainly the Greeks from West Asia Minor like Smyrna,Aidini,Aivali e.c.t

Because these regions were mainly settled in Ancient time by Ionian Greeks and hence also called Ionia

When you talk about genetics you don’t use term like ionians rofl.Can you tell me what people ionians were exactly ?

Even the term Dorians is not accurate,since we don’t have enough genetic evidence.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Some people man :picard2:

[Tauromachos]

When you talk about genetics you don’t use term like ionians rofl.Can you tell me what people ionians were exactly ?

Even the term Dorians is not accurate,since we don’t have enough genetic evidence.

Well sure

As much as the term Slavs,Albanians,Indo Euros or Jews are not from genetic point of view

But he didn't talked about genetics in his post

[Livin]

Agreed - tried to explain to him but he is too dogmatic. Must be a huge komplex he has.


The only person with huge complex here is you.This forum here is about genetics not about your stupid ethno-nationanistic propaganda .

It’s time for you to accept that you are not genetically the same with the southern regions of Greece.You can’t accept the fact that you are closer to a balkaner(bulgar,albanian ,fyromanian) rather to a sicilian,south italian.

As for phenotypes,those who had some trips can easily see the big differences between southern greeks and northern greeks,or in western regions with islanders.

[nafz]

You really didn’t understand anything from what i mention.

i didnt said that northern greeks are not meds rofl.

Read carefully my previous posts.And i am not talking only about phenotypes,but also genetics.


Ionians?ahahaha the fact that you taking serious this stupid term means a lot that how clueless you are.

ROFL You are probably a teen with too much time on his hands or an unemployed loser who likes to argue all today in the Internet.
Point is, no one is taking you seriously.

[Livin]

Well sure

As much as the term Slavs,Albanians,Indo Euros or Jews are not from genetic point of view

But he didn't talked about genetics in his post



Ionians,dorians these terms are very specific and sounds retarted when it comes for genetics.Even me some times using the term dorians for the r1b lineages in southern greece witch is not accurate since we don’t have enough genetic evidence.

[catgeorge]

The only person with huge complex here is you.This forum here is about genetics not about your stupid ethno-nationanistic propaganda .

It’s time for you to accept that you are not genetically the same with the southern regions of Greece.You can’t accept the fact that you are closer to a balkaner(bulgar,albanian ,fyromanian) rather to a sicilian,south italian.

As for phenotypes,those who had some trips can easily see the big differences between southern greeks and northern greeks,or in western regions with islanders.

Considering our location is near Thrace and Illyria with shared indigenous ancestry with these people the typical North Greek genetic top five results in no order is this

Greek_Thessaly
Central_Greek
Abruzzo
Bulgaria
Tuscan
(Albania and Sicily also comes up frequently)

We don't match with Serbia, Ukraine, Poland etc... Spain comes up frequently in our results/

[Livin]

ROFL You are probably a teen with too much time on his hands or an unemployed loser who likes to argue all today in the Internet.
Point is, no one is taking you seriously.

Blah blah blah .This is a forum about genetics my dear,if you don’t like truths get lost.I don’t have time for idiots like you,catgeorge or the other mongrel hellenas.

[Livin]

Considering our location is near Thrace and Illyria with shared indigenous ancestry with these people the typical North Greek genetic top five results in no order is this

Greek_Thessaly
Central_Greek
Abruzzo
Bulgaria
Tuscan
(Albania and Sicily also comes up frequently)

We don't match with Serbia, Ukraine, Poland etc... Spain comes up frequently in our results/

Well,i am not gonna spend my entire life doing private genetic lessons to you.If you think you are genetically the same with southern greeks then good for you.Btw your fyromanian cousins are more native in balkans and least eastern shirted than your people.

[catgeorge]

Blah blah blah .This is a forum about genetics my dear,if you don’t like truths get lost.I don’t have time for idiots like you,catgeorge or the other mongrel hellenas.

What you don't understand you are too dogmatic I don't blame you - must be the Iranid genes that makes one so retarded.

[catgeorge]

Well,i am not gonna spend my entire life doing private genetic lessons to you.If you think you are genetically the same with southern greeks then good for you.Btw your fyromanian cousins are more native in balkans and least eastern shirted than your people.

Who is "your people"?

[Livin]

Who is "your people"?

You are not local northern greek?

[catgeorge]

You are not local northern greek?

Of course.

[Livin]

Of course.

Ok gn :thumb001:

[Tauromachos]

You are not local northern greek?

Lets take a look

user:catgeorge
Meta-Ethnicity:Father of proto Italo-Celt-Germans
Ethnicity:Greek
Ancestry:North Greek Mountains+Thessaloniki and Constantinople city slicker
Country:Greece
Taxynomy:Alpine Med
Politics:Iron Fist

Hmm ?

[Ride The Lightning]

Spain maybe apart from Greece.

[indo-uralopean]

Turk / Cretan / Caucasian mix.

[kleenex]

Well,i am not gonna spend my entire life doing private genetic lessons to you.If you think you are genetically the same with southern greeks then good for you.Btw your fyromanian cousins are more native in balkans and least eastern shirted than your people.
OK here are my genetic results on MDLP K 23 (probably the most accurate oracle on gedmatch:
Top 5
1 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 2.05
2 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 2.07
3 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 2.94
4 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 3.1
5 Kosovar ( ) 4.84

[Papastratosels26]

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[kleenex]

As you can see there is a genetic continuum South to North. It's been well researched and those who have numerous mainland samples will tell you that the genetic difference is minute. Someone on Eupedia has like 100 mainland samples and when he added my results he mentioned the minimal variation on the mainland. Not sure about phenotype but from the classifications of Peloponnesians on this site many have been classified as Atlanto Meds.

[Sikeliot]

He looks Iberian to me. I don't see anything MENA at all, people who are saying this are probably just looking for attention.

[Sikeliot]

Sikeliot is right about Peloponnesians looking Iberian

They do and I don't know why they would, but it is the case phenotypically.

[DarknessWin]

This person would never pass in caucasus or balkans.

he cant pass in Caucasus but he can pass in Balkans.

[Kamal900]

he cant pass in Caucasus but he can pass in Balkans.

Agreed. He looks very Med in contrast to Caucasians, both northern and southern ones. You're friend reminded me of a Lebanese guy my cousin knows who happens to be in the army in Lebanon. Very tough looking guy.

[DarknessWin]

Agreed. He looks very Med in contrast to Caucasians, both northern and southern ones. You're friend reminded me of a Lebanese guy my cousin knows who happens to be in the army in Lebanon. Very tough looking guy.

Yes he is very Med looking without Armenoid element.
Maybe he can pass among other med lebanese people
but he mostly look south european

[Kamal900]

Yes he is very Med looking without Armenoid element.
Maybe he can pass among other med lebanese people
but he mostly look south european

Indeed, and not all Lebanese people have Armenoid traits.

[arkas]

Paleo Pontid

[Pitsa]

Weird berid, does not really look Greek to me with his small eyes and forehead.

[Constantine13]

Shrunken Cro-Mag type, I would say (Gracile Med + Cro-Mag). I've seen many of these (I'm Peloponnesian). I'd imagine you'd find people like this all around the Med, but the first thing that came to mind was many of the Caucasian Hispanics I've known through the years, which makes sense.

I've never been to Spain or Portugal, or even met many people from those places, but there must be something to this Pelo-Iberian connection looks-wise. Many people have commented on this. Myself, I've been asked more than once by Spaniards if I was of Spanish descent.

A "synchronicity" in which both groups are enriched in Neolithic- and Western Hunter-Gatherer-type ancestry, most likely.