Did Dinaroid features occured via Caucasian Hunter Gatherers (CHG)?

[cyberlorian]

One of the most knowledgeable members on anthropology has told me that Caucasian Hunter Gatherers' features looked like a mixture of Eastern Orientalids and Cromagnons. So, I wonder whether Dinaroid features occured via Caucasian Hunter Gatherers or not. What do you think?
https://image.ibb.co/kHDPt0/Caucasian-admixture.gif

[Tauromachos]

Yeah probably

[Token]

One of the most knowledgeable members on anthropology has told me that Caucasian Hunter Gatherers' features looked like a mixture of Eastern Orientalids and Cromagnons]
Very knowledgeable :laugh:

[Kivan]

Dinarization occurs when someone read too many Berkan threads.

[Veslan]

CHG were dolichocephals, so not likely.

[cyberlorian]

CHG were dolichocephals, so not likely.

I actually mean just the reciprocal features. Or, is Dinarisation just another process?

[Livin]

Lol

Who said this stupid thing xd.

CHG Are today west asians and they were mostly brachy and hooked nose.

[Tauromachos]

Lol

Who said this stupid thing xd.

CHG Are today west asians and they were mostly brachy and hooked nose.

Dinarids are brachy and often hooked nosed

A convex nose is one of the common features between Dinarics and Armenoids

[cyberlorian]

Very knowledgeable :laugh:


Lol

Who said this stupid thing xd.

CHG Are today west asians and they were mostly brachy and hooked nose.

Actually, he has made sense to me. Brachycephalisation might have occurred later.

[Veslan]

I actually mean just the reciprocal features.

CHG might have taken part in the synthesis of the Armenoid race, which was originally an Irano-Afghan (CHG) + Asiatic Alpine (East Anatolian ENF) mix. It was traditionally proposed that the Dinaric race originates from the Armenoid one, however, modern population genetics seem to rather imply that they evolved separately, meaning Dinaroid features didn't occur because of the CHG.

[Livin]

Actually, he has made sense to me. Brachycephalisation might have occurred later.

Orientalid actually is Very neolithic phenotype and looks a mix between dolicho med and Taurid.

J1 and j2 lineages IMO brought hooked noses and brachy skull shape in Middle east and west Asia.

[Tauromachos]

Actually, he has made sense to me. Brachycephalisation might have occurred later.

Yes
The Proto Dinaro Armenoids were originally a mesocephalic Med race with simply hooked form of Nose

The Nose became hooked say the scientists because these people were very curios and had to put their Nose into everything

They also made competitions between them in Ancient Caucasus who could lift more weights with his Nose

Similar to the Indian penis yoga

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYGH1Jqh8V4

[Hadouken]

I think I am a good example of CHG with some subhuman influence

[cyberlorian]

Orientalid actually is Very neolithic phenotype and looks a mix between dolicho med and Taurid.

J1 and j2 lineages IMO brought hooked noses and brachy skull shape in Middle east and west Asia.

Orientalid might be more ancient then Armenoid in my opinion. Because Armenoids are Dinarised Iranids as far as I know.

[cyberlorian]

I think I am a good example of CHG with some subhuman influence

Why subhuman, mister?

[Veslan]

Lol

Who said this stupid thing xd.

CHG Are today west asians and they were mostly brachy and hooked nose.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D 0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D1%83%D1 %80%D0%B0#%D0%90%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0% BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA %D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BF

"Пока антропологических определений было сделано не очень много. Они относят представителей МНО к средиземноморской антропологической формации или южным европеоидам"
"So far not a lot has been determined on anthroplogical definitions. Their types include mainly Mediterranean formations of the Southern Caucasoid types, in some case, there are cases of heterogenity".

So not very brachycephalic, but probably hooked nosed.

[Hadouken]

Why subhuman, mister?

you still dont see when I am joking :cussing Berkan you shithead

[Tauromachos]

Orientalid might be more ancient then Armenoid in my opinion.

In your opinion



Because Armenoids are Dinarised Iranids as far as I know.


No they are not as far as i know

[Livin]

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D 0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D1%83%D1 %80%D0%B0#%D0%90%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0% BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA %D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BF

"Пока антропологических определений было сделано не очень много. Они относят представителей МНО к средиземноморской антропологической формации или южным европеоидам"
"So far not a lot has been determined on anthroplogical definitions. Their types include mainly Mediterranean formations of the Southern Caucasoid types, in some case, there are cases of heterogenity".

So not very brachycephalic, but probably hooked nosed.

I am talking about kura-araxes.

Maykop had probably steppe admixture.

[Livin]

Orientalid might be more ancient then Armenoid in my opinion. Because Armenoids are Dinarised Iranids as far as I know.

Orientalid actually seems dolicho med with armenoid.

[Veslan]

In your opinion




No they are not as far as i know

Coon claimed that Armenoid race originated from Irano-Afghans mixing with Asiatic Alpines:

"The Armenoid type is a stable hybrid between two principal elements, the Alpine race and the Irano-Afghan division of the Mediterranean stock, mixed at the ratio of 2 of the latter to 1 of the former. The combination has produced a greater laterality than either parent stock, an excess of brachycephaly, and an excess of facial length and nasality. "

The Races of Europe, Chapter XII, section 18

[Tauromachos]

Orientalid actually is Very neolithic phenotype and looks a mix between dolicho med and Taurid.


Nope

[Livin]

Nope

What are the big diffrences with meds?

The hooked nose and the slightly bigger lips?

[Magnet]

One of the most knowledgeable members on anthropology has told me that Caucasian Hunter Gatherers' features looked like a mixture of Eastern Orientalids and Cromagnons. So, I wonder whether Dinaroid features occured via Caucasian Hunter Gatherers or not. What do you think?
https://image.ibb.co/kHDPt0/Caucasian-admixture.gif
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[Veslan]

What are the big diffrences with meds?

The hooked nose and the slightly bigger lips?

Higher vault, taller stature, taller eye orbits.

[Tauromachos]

What are the big diffrences with meds?

The hooked nose and the slightly bigger lips?

In case you are talking about Arabid which is what most people mean when they say Orientalid it is a type
which split of from Gracile Med types
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabid_race
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/MPP-Sm1.jpg


Assyrid,the common ancient Middle Eastern look is a mix of Armenoid and Orientalid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabid_race#/media/File:MPP-Sm1.jpg

[Livin]

Higher vault, taller stature, taller eye orbits.

Yep. Both are neolithic types. The big diffrence is that Orientalids showing armenoid traits.

[Veslan]

Yep. Both are neolithic types. The big diffrence is that Orientalids showing armenoid traits.

:picard1:

It's Armenoids who show Orientalid traits. Orientalids are more ancient, this is widely accepted by all the anthropologists.

[cyberlorian]

Orientalid actually seems dolicho med with armenoid.

Med + Armenoid cannot be Orientalid because Orientalid is more dolichocephal than both Med and Armenoid.

[Papastratosels26]

Probably

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[Livin]

:picard1:

It's Armenoids who show Orientalid traits. Orientalids are more ancient, this is widely accepted by all the anthropologists.

So,you telling me that these natufians and neolithic levantines were hooked nose people?

[Cleitus]

CHG were dolichocephals, so not likely.

And yet Georgians have the highest amount of CHG DNA inherited and they are vastly brachycephalic.

[Veslan]

So,you telling me that these natufians and neolithic levantines were hooked nose people?

Neolithic Levantines for sure, Naftufians were probably more primitive looking.

[Livin]

And yet Georgians have the highest amount of CHG DNA inherited and they are vastly brachycephalic.

Actually all the west asians with high CHG roots are mostly brachy.Even Pontic Greeks witch are 80% CHG are mostly brachy or meso-brachy.

[Hadouken]

Actually all the west asians with high CHG roots are mostly brachy.Even Pontic Greeks witch are 80% CHG are mostly brachy or meso-brachy.

there is no population that scores 80% CHG lol

[Livin]

Neolithic Levantines for sure, Naftufians were probably more primitive looking.

I think orientlid is a mixed phenotype,i might be wrong.

[Livin]

there is no population that scores 80% CHG lol

Not 80 a little lower i guess.

[Veslan]

And yet Georgians have the highest amount of CHG DNA inherited and they are vastly brachycephalic.

People closest to the Corded Ware culture (Norwegians, Balto-Slavs, Baltic Finns) are also mainly brachycephalic or mesocephalic at best, but we measured Corded skulls and their average CI was about 71. Cephalic Index can change due to the evolutionary adaptation.

[Hadouken]

Not 80 a little lower i guess.

georgians and abkhazians score the most and they score around 55 - 60 % (I think Circassians score similar) . nobody gets higher

[Livin]

georgians and abkhazians score the most and they score around 55 - 60 % (I think Circassians score similar) . nobody gets higher

Can you check Pontics?

[Cleitus]

People closest to the Corded Ware culture (Norwegians, Balto-Slavs, Baltic Finns) are also mainly brachycephalic or mesocephalic at best, but we measured Corded skulls and their average CI was about 71. Cephalic Index can change due to the evolutionary adaptation.

Exactly it can change even from generation to generation, so its not a good indicator for predicting ancestry. Cephalic Index can change due to various factors apparently.

[Nurzat]

no genetic connection between CHG (straight nose), Armenoid (medium/short very hooked nose) and Dinarid (long downward nose)

[cyberlorian]

no genetic connection between CHG (straight nose), Armenoid (medium/short very hooked nose) and Dinarid (long downward nose)

But CHG were Eastern Orientalid and Cromagnon blends as far as I know.

[Hadouken]

Can you check Pontics?

later

[cyberlorian]

you still dont see when I am joking :cussing Berkan you shithead
To you:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_le3soB58nc :D

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[Hadouken]

Can you check Pontics?

ok so I have found one kit number of a pontian from a TA thread : https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?233388-Pontic-Greek-results

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 54.17
2 Atlantic_Med 15.25
3 Gedrosia 14.55
4 Southwest_Asian 13.5
5 East_Asian 1.35
6 Northwest_African 0.56
7 North_European 0.43
8 Southeast_Asian 0.21


thats a lot

also Gedrosia is often also included as CHG on many calcs

[Veslan]

Exactly it can change even from generation to generation, so its not a good indicator for predicting ancestry. Cephalic Index can change due to various factors apparently.

Cephalic Index changes by evolution, in other words brachycephalic people becoming more or less numerous (or attractive) in a certain territory. So it does indicate the ancestry in a way. It's rather autosomal DNA that is not perfect and using it in a way "Modern nation is autosomally mainly CHG = exactly the same phenotype" is rather ridiculous and produces absurd results.

[Tauromachos]

Exactly it can change even from generation to generation, so its not a good indicator for predicting ancestry. Cephalic Index can change due to various factors apparently.

So Albanians may all look mesocephalic Meds in a few decades

[Cleitus]

So Albanians may all look mesocephalic Meds in a few decades

Probably not, regarding the fact that doliocephaly is more of a primitive trait. Greeks are mostly brachy to.

[Tauromachos]

Probably not, regarding the fact that doliocephaly is more of a primitive trait. Greeks are mostly brachy to.

Ancient Greeks where more Meso than todays Greeks

Neither in all regions today of Greece there are more brachy Greeks than meso+doli
Not even in Mainland Greece

[xtal]

Only God knows the answer

[nicalandia]

Yeah probably

I strongly disagree with this