Dalmatian Serbs

[Pribislav]

http://images.yuku.com/image/pjpeg/14c3665c4f05c0d24e3f55b91eb120a1ba4634f3.pjpg
http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/e81361e012cea63c1ad7d7fb6498e843d987f4c4.jpg
http://benkovac.rs/administrator/files/gallery/images/kolovac1979.jpg
http://www.plavno.rs/images/Spasovdan_2018_16.jpg
http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/6ab269f1e58fd83e4a5752fe29c73440029b7ffd4.jpg
http://banija.rs/images/slike/galerija/NKVelebit/NK_Velebit_04.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/52/03/05/52030563e372f5a281230cbd62273b6c.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VLJklF2yj8U/maxresdefault.jpg
http://www.plavno.rs/images/spasovdan-2015-14.jpg
https://images.yuku.com/image/jpg/fb116e6ff3fc185a6d56b04028eb38a11f7c8599_r.jpg
http://www.p-portal.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/image-0-02-04-56e2f7d7e4991977fa9c678e9c579fce335e45e5974c1646a2 e5f67626b9409c-V.jpg
http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/4ce260f39d31202110ac120a456c0531b7c5483a.jpg
http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/4ce260f39d3120211ac120a456c0531b7c5483a.jpg

http://www.cuvari-hristovog-groba.org/galerija/2007-1/32.jpg
http://images.yuku.com/image/jpg/7c526b959631e3fd9999ef33e1bd37f49efe109f_r.jpg
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https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/benkovackoguvno/imageproxy.php?url=http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq82/smile_xD_95/pola3.jpg
http://www.eparhija-dalmatinska.hr/arhiva2006/Images2006/0103-03-06.jpg
http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/6ab269f1e58fd83e4a5752fe29c7344029b7ffd4.jpg
http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/850363594b7fa05cdd47f7001078286da126e348.jpg
https://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/aa03639a4842aa0ed0d4f70a1d6c21fcc8153b7e.jpg
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[Ayetooey]

Ma homies.

They fit in Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, some like the guy on the top left 3rd picture are strongly Dinaric and could pass in Montenegro.

[Vožd]

Dinarid mostly as i expected. Pass in Bosnia, Montenegro, Serbia, (north) Albania and somewhere in Croatia.

Probably best in Bosnia (especially Bosnian Krajina).

[Papastratosels26]

Mainly Dinarids.

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[Bosniensis]

Dinarid mostly as i expected. Pass in Bosnia, Montenegro, Serbia, (north) Albania and somewhere in Croatia.

Probably best in Bosnia (especially Bosnian Krajina).

Bosanska Krajna /where I live/ is made of settlers from that region.

I am Herzegovian/Montenegrin myself :)

[Dick]

Bosanska Krajna /where I live/ is made of settlers from that region.

I am Herzegovian/Montenegrin myself :)

since when were Dacians in Poland

[Ayetooey]

since when were Dacians in Poland

You're ignorant it's Thraco-Illyrians now m8.

[Ryuk]

Most of them fit the rest of the Serbs.But the most leftmost person in the last photo,the redhead woman in the sixteenth photo,and the blonde boy in the twelfth photo have quite turanid appearance.

[Ayetooey]

Most of them fit the rest of the Serbs.But the most leftmost person in the last photo,the redhead woman in the sixteenth photo,and the blonde boy in the twelfth photo have quite turanid appearance.

The blonde guy just looks like the sun is in his eyes, his eyes are almost closed lol. You're right on the redhead tho lol.

[Veneda]

since when were Dacians in Poland

Since always, because "Draco" (dragon) is similar to Polish "Dragon from Cracow" (https://www.google.pl/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwio74-p-5DeAhWyiIsKHY99A60QjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tripadvisor.ie%2FLocationPho toDirectLink-g274772-d11899193-i289721754-Monument_of_the_Wawel_Dragon-Krakow_Lesser_Poland_Province_Southern_Pol.html&psig=AOvVaw2DF5KMwE7nMYLRRYOjb2TP&ust=1539985473974587), so people from the area of Cracow are Dracians, too ;)

[Bosniensis]

since when were Dacians in Poland

Dacians are just a bigger Thracian tribe, author of the map got it wrong, it's all the same. Thracians & Dacians

http://t68.trilu.ro/image/BOBOTITE/4ed705005b8b2b/thumb-1400x733.jpg

[Pribislav]

On this video are Dalmatian Serbs from Knin area.

https://youtube.com/b9pbmKYSXno?t=116 (https://youtu.be./b9pbmKYSXno?t=116)
https://youtu.be/b9pbmKYSXno?t=165
https://youtu.be/b9pbmKYSXno?t=252
https://youtu.be/b9pbmKYSXno?t=369
https://youtu.be/b9pbmKYSXno?t=430
https://youtu.be/b9pbmKYSXno?t=467
https://youtu.be/b9pbmKYSXno?t=1746

Priest is not Dalmatian Serb, he is in Dalmatia in service.

[Ayetooey]

Jovan Radulovic. Writer from Polaca where my family hail from. Looks a bit like my dad if he was obese and had no hair.

http://www.novosti.rs/upload/images/2015//08/01/Jovan-Radulovic-(1).jpg

[Pribislav]

Dalmatian Serbs from Vrlika and Knin area which returned to Dalmatia

https://youtu.be/1idwnsoM1x8?t=150s
https://youtu.be/1idwnsoM1x8?t=196
https://youtu.be/1idwnsoM1x8?t=312
https://youtu.be/1idwnsoM1x8?t=573

Other people on video are not Dalmatian Serbs.

[Tauromachos]

They seem to have a good deal of Dinarid influence

I would say Alpine and Dinarics plus CM,Borreby for most of them

Plus some other Slavic influenced types maybe

[Pribislav]

They seem to have a good deal of Dinarid influence

I would say Alpine and Dinarics plus CM,Borreby for most of them

Plus some other Slavic influenced types maybe


Could they pass in Greece?

[Tauromachos]

Could they pass in Greece?

Some might pass

As a group they don't look typical

Examples of people who don't pass would be these below
But ok maybe it has not only to do with phenotype but also because of the dressing
which looks extremely foreign for Greece
I think there are traditional Serbian dresses which look more similar to Greek ones
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/52/03/05/52030563e372f5a281230cbd62273b6c.jpghttps://i.ytimg.com/vi/VLJklF2yj8U/maxresdefault.jpg

The most unpassable,the guy on the right here
http://www.cuvari-hristovog-groba.org/galerija/2007-1/32.jpg

[Pribislav]

Appearance like this are common among Serbs from Knin area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knin
http://www.mc.rs/upload/photoservice/2013/Jun/SDS/SDS_7.jpg
https://www.antenazadar.hr/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/milan-martic.jpg

Both are from Knin area.

First one is Serbian economist, and second one is former leader of Serbian Krajina.

[Tauromachos]

Appearance like this are common among Serbs from Knin area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knin
http://www.mc.rs/upload/photoservice/2013/Jun/SDS/SDS_7.jpg
https://www.antenazadar.hr/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/milan-martic.jpg

Both are from Knin area.

First one is Serbian economist, and second one is former leader of Serbian Krajina.

Both of them wouldn't be that typical or are not Greek looking in the stereotypical sense

But the second man would better pass than the first
Greeks have some types who can look like him in particular in the Northern Mainland

[Pribislav]

Both of them wouldn't be that typical or are not Greek looking in the stereotypical sense

But the second man would better pass than the first
Greeks have some types who can look like him in particular in the Northern Mainland

Both of them are Borreby influenced, and Borreby influence is common in Dinaric area for some reason.

[Pribislav]

Some might pass

As a group they don't look typical

Examples of people who don't pass would be these below
But ok maybe it has not only to do with phenotype but also because of the dressing
which looks extremely foreign for Greece
I think there are traditional Serbian dresses which look more similar to Greek ones
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/52/03/05/52030563e372f5a281230cbd62273b6c.jpghttps://i.ytimg.com/vi/VLJklF2yj8U/maxresdefault.jpg

The most unpassable,the guy on the right here
http://www.cuvari-hristovog-groba.org/galerija/2007-1/32.jpg

On the last 2 photos are costumes of people which are "Čuvari Hristovog groba. " That is a Serbian Orthodox custom from Vrlika area in Northern Dalmatia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Čuvari_Hristovog_groba

I heard that similar custom exist in Greece.

[Dalmatinac]

They are same as Dalmatian Croats by physical appearance, at least from what I can see from these photos. The only differences would probably be dialect and religion. Even many customs are almost the same, often the difference being only in details. For example, we also have Čuvari Kristova groba" in many small dalmatian towns but we call it "Žudije" and our uniforms are usually those of roman soldiers or seafarers. We even have annual festival where thousands of Žudije gather coming from many different parishes.

[Pribislav]

They are same as Dalmatian Croats by physical appearance, at least from what I can see from these photos. The only differences would probably be dialect and religion. Even many customs are almost the same, often the difference being only in details. For example, we also have Čuvari Kristova groba" in many small dalmatian towns but we call it "Žudije" and our uniforms are usually those of roman soldiers or seafarers. We even have annual festival where thousands of Žudije gather coming from many different parishes.

I did not know for existence of this custom among Dalmatian Croatians. Especially for coastal one is surprise for me, because this custom is considered typical for Vrlička Krajina.

Custom "Čuvari Hristovog Groba" live in Batajnica near Belgrade. Because in Batajnica live a lot of Dalmatian Serbs and significant part of them are from Vrlička and Cetinska Krajina. A lot of Dalmatian Serbs came to Batajnica in 1950s-1980s, probably more then in 1990s.
Only guys which have origin from Vrlička/Cetinska Krajina (at least one parent) can dress costumes and participated in custom. Participation for Serbs from other parts of Dalmatia such as: Knin area, Drniš area, Bukovica, Ravni Kotari... is not allowed, only Serbs from Vrlička and Cetinska Krajina can participate. I know one guy whose father is Slavonian Serb and mother is Serb from Vrlika, and he participated in "Čuvari Hristovog Groba", due to origin of his mother.

[Regnera]

NE Italy

[MiloshN]

For me, they are surprisingly short?

[Dalmatinac]

I did not know for existence of this custom among Dalmatian Croatians. Especially for coastal one is surprise for me, because this custom is considered typical for Vrlička Krajina.

Custom "Čuvari Hristovog Groba" live in Batajnica near Belgrade. Because in Batajnica live a lot of Dalmatian Serbs and significant part of them are from Vrlička and Cetinska Krajina. A lot of Dalmatian Serbs came to Batajnica in 1950s-1980s, probably more then in 1990s.
Only guys which have origin from Vrlička/Cetinska Krajina (at least one parent) can dress costumes and participated in custom. Participation for Serbs from other parts of Dalmatia such as: Knin area, Drniš area, Bukovica, Ravni Kotari... is not allowed, only Serbs from Vrlička and Cetinska Krajina can participate. I know one guy whose father is Slavonian Serb and mother is Serb from Vrlika, and he participated in "Čuvari Hristovog Groba", due to origin of his mother.

It's a very popular tradition on dalmatian coast and it's even attracting tourists. I read in a book that it was imported to Metković from small italian town of Loreto by the middle of 19th century and subsequently it spread almost all over Dalmatia. Even in my hometown Sumartin on the island of Brač this tradition is older than a century. Many of my friends are dressed each year. I was also invited but I declined because I didn't have time.

[Jana]

Bosnia best fit. This particular set looks different than Dalmatian Croats I'm used too, perhaps bit more eastern, women especially. But otherwise very similar.

[Pribislav]

For me, they are surprisingly short?

Because 15 of 20 photos are from Benkovac and around, and Serbs from Benkovac/Ravni Kotari are shorter than other Dalmatian Serbs. They have a lot of Alpinids.

Serbs from Vrlička, Cetinska and Kninska Krajina and Bukovica are quite taller than those from Ravni Kotari.

Serbs from Benkovac have own site and they have a tons of photos there.
Serbs from other parts of Dalmatia are not so organized in preserving of tradition and memories to region where are born of from where they originated.


This are Serbs from Knin area (except 2:43 and 2:49 who are volunteers from from Serbia). Look at 0:25-0:30 and 1:15-1:18 how tall they are, some of them are as basketball players.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTxlao9FWZo

[Tauromachos]

Both of them are Borreby influenced, and Borreby influence is common in Dinaric area for some reason.

Borreby,Dinaric and Alpine are kinda related

Many Anthropogists believe Dinarics come from Proto Mediteraneans mixing with Proto Alpines.

Borrebies are also linked or related to Alpines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_race
"Coon further argued that they were linked to their unreduced (Brünn, Borreby) counterparts."


Some of the people here in your set might be pure Alpines as well not Dinarics or Borrebies.
Compare to this example of an Alpine man below

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Alpinoid_Race_Caucasoid_Ripley.PNG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_race#/media/File:Alpinoid_Race_Caucasoid_Ripley.PNG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_race#/media/File:Alpinoid_Race_Caucasoid_Ripley.PNG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_race#/media/File:Alpinoid_Race_Caucasoid_Ripley.PNG

[Tauromachos]

On the last 2 photos are costumes of people which are "Čuvari Hristovog groba. " That is a Serbian Orthodox custom from Vrlika area in Northern Dalmatia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Čuvari_Hristovog_groba

I heard that similar custom exist in Greece.

Yes but not with this type of dressing
I have never seen a Greek with this kind of dress
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Guardian_of_Christ%27s_Grave.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%8Cuvari_Hristovog_groba#/media/File:Guardian_of_Christ%27s_Grave.jpg

[Pribislav]

Yes but not with this type of dressing
I have never seen a Greek with this kind of dress
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Guardian_of_Christ%27s_Grave.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%8Cuvari_Hristovog_groba#/media/File:Guardian_of_Christ%27s_Grave.jpg

How looks Greek traditional costumes which are used within that custom?

[Tauromachos]

How looks Greek traditional costumes which are used within that custom?

I don't know right now or where they do this custom.

Greeks of course have many traditional Orthodox customs

For example in many Islands they dive for the cross
https://www.faithandleadership.com/diving-cross

In Northern Greek they do Anastenaria which is Orthodox-Pagan hypbrid custom.
They walk or dance with barefeet over hot coals
Do you have this in Serbia too?

[Pribislav]

I don't know right now or where they do this custom.

Greeks of course have many traditional Orthodox customs

For example in many Islands they dive for the cross
https://www.faithandleadership.com/diving-cross

In Northern Greek they do Anastenaria which is Orthodox-Pagan hypbrid custom.
They walk or dance with barefeet over hot coals
Do you have this in Serbia too?

There is no dance with barefeet over hot coals.

In estern Serbia among Vlach population exist ritual dance where participants jump over the fire in costumes which imitate demons like in video down


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeI0uLBioO4

[Pribislav]

http://www.plavno.rs/images/Spasovdan14.JPG
https://www.pogledi.rs/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/023-7-pogledi27-Stapska-ceta-Golubickog-bataljona.jpg
http://www.moje-kistanje.net/administrator/files/images/pbk2010_14.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIgc1H7f8oQ&t=594s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQS0jXj6mHg

[Dna8]

Lightest Serbs on average, according to my impression.

[Pribislav]

Lightest Serbs on average, according to my impression.

Both my father and mother are Dalmatian Serbs from full Serbian villages.
In father's village there was a lot of light pigmented people and even some Nordic looking, more that what is normal for Balkans. In mother's villages there was various people from very light to very swarhty, they were darker than in father's village on average.
My father and mother somethimes joking. He say to her than Turks arrived in her village, and she say to him that Germans arrived in his village. :)

[Dna8]

Both my father and mother are Dalmatian Serbs from full Serbian villages.
In father's village there was a lot of light pigmented people and even some Nordic looking, more that what is normal for Balkans. In mother's villages there was various people from very light to very swarhty, they were darker than in father's village on average.
My father and mother somethimes joking. He say to her than Turks arrived in her village, and she say to him that Germans arrived in his village. :)

haha nice

My mom is from Uzice (not Dalmatia, I know) and she looks British..

[Pribislav]

haha nice

My mom is from Uzice (not Dalmatia, I know) and she looks British..

Balkan tradition is connecting of dark pigment with Turks and light pigment with Germans.
Slavs, Vlachs and Greeks are not counted in that sense...

[Dna8]

Balkan tradition is connecting of dark pigment with Turks and light pigment with Germans.
Slavs, Vlachs and Greeks are not counted in that sense...

Internet tradition is connection of Croatian Serbs with Vlachs (they must have been some very Aryan Vlachs)

[MiloshN]

Both my father and mother are Dalmatian Serbs from full Serbian villages.
In father's village there was a lot of light pigmented people and even some Nordic looking, more that what is normal for Balkans. In mother's villages there was various people from very light to very swarhty, they were darker than in father's village on average.
My father and mother somethimes joking. He say to her than Turks arrived in her village, and she say to him that Germans arrived in his village. :)

can i pass in them villages? :P

[Dna8]

can i pass in them villages? :P

+1

Do me too

[Pribislav]

Internet tradition is connection of Croatian Serbs with Vlachs (they must have been some very Aryan Vlachs)

Serbs of Croatia were not vlachs even in sense of sheperds. Serbs from Slavonia, Banija and Ravni Kotari (Dalmatia) were traditional very agricuture population. Other were mix of agriculture producer and sheperds, plus urban educatad population for centuries.
My parents are from higher part of Dalmatia and villagers there were both farmers (agriculture) and sheperds, but agriculture was more frequent.

[Pribislav]

can i pass in them villages? :P

Yes, but I still claim you best fit in Syrmia. :)

[Dna8]

Serbs of Croatia were not vlachs even in sense of sheperds. Serbs from Slavonia, Banija and Ravni Kotari (Dalmatia) were traditional very agricuture population.
My parents are from higher part of Dalmatia and villagers there were both farmers (agriculture) and sheperds, but agriculture was more frequent.

In my historical understanding, of all the Serbs, I associate Srbijanci the most with Vlachs.

[Dna8]

Yes, but I still claim you best fit in Syrmia. :)

And me?

See sig..

[MiloshN]

Yes, but I still claim you best fit in Syrmia. :)
There are a lot of Serbs from the RSK living there?

[Joso]

Strong dinarid influence.

[Dna8]

Strong dinarid influence.

Agreed.

[Pribislav]

In my historical understanding, of all the Serbs, I associate Srbijanci the most with Vlachs.

Do you know that a lot of Serbs in Croatia in 19th century especially in Zagreb were bussinesmen, bankers, intelectuals... and like that they were on attack of Croatian nationalism. Zagreb and Novi Sad were the strongest cultural centers of Serbs in 19th century.

There is various meaning of word vlach. Latin speaking sheperds are only one.

[Joso]

Agreed.

They pass better in Northern Italy, by the way.

[Ayetooey]

Lightest Serbs on average, according to my impression.

It is quite mixed, you have some who are light haired light eyed, then in the same village people like my father who look very Med.

[Dna8]

Do you know that a lot of Serbs in Croatia in 19th century especially in Zagreb were bussinesmen, bankers, intelectuals... and like that they were on attack of Croatian nationalism. Zagreb and Novi Sad were the strongest cultural centers of Serbs in 19th century.

There is various meaning of word vlach. Latin speaking sheperds are only one.

I know man.. If you haven't noticed already, I am not a fan of simple historical truths (I like to try and appreciate the nuances etc)..

[Pribislav]

There are a lot of Serbs from the RSK living there?

Yes, most of Krajina Serb refugees which came to Serbia settled to Syrmia.

Even most of so called native Syrmian Serbs are settlers from Krajina in 18th and 19th century.

[Dna8]

It is quite mixed, you have some who are light haired light eyed, then in the same village people like my father who look very Med.

Agreed.

I'm a big fan of our phenotypic diversity.

[Ayetooey]

Do you know that a lot of Serbs in Croatia in 19th century especially in Zagreb were bussinesmen, bankers, intelectuals... and like that they were on attack of Croatian nationalism. Zagreb and Novi Sad were the strongest cultural centers of Serbs in 19th century.

There is various meaning of word vlach. Latin speaking sheperds are only one.

Hrvat national anthem was even writen by Serb from Croatia.

[aherne]

Mix of Dinaric, Balkan CM, Pontid and Aryan.

[Pribislav]

Hrvat national anthem was even writen by Serb from Croatia.

I know, that is Josif Runjanin.

Arsen Dedić one of most important figure of Croatian culture in the last 100 years was a Serb.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Zagreb and Novi Sad were the strongest cultural centers of Serbs in 19th century.

Lmao you truly have comedic gifts Pribislav.

[MiloshN]

Lmao you truly have comedic gifts Pribislav.

Old name for Zagreb = Srbinovo :D

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Old name for Zagreb = Srbinovo :D

Deretić style fantasy. Zagreb connection with Serbs is zero.

[Pribislav]

Lmao you truly have comedic gifts Pribislav.

Serbs in Zagreb were like present day diasporian Serbs. They were bankers, intelectuals, bussinesmen... originated of other regions of present day Croatia. They were not native in Zagreb, of course.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Serbs in Zagreb were like present day diasporian Serbs. They were bankers, intelectuals, bussinesmen... origihated of other regions of present day Croatia. They were not native in Zagreb, of course.

There were Serb businessmen in late 19th century. But there were other ethnicities too.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I know, that is Josif Runjanin.

Arsen Dedić one of most important figure of Croatian culture in the last 100 years was a Serb.

Well, I heard more than one Serb claiming Croat Ivo Andrić was greatest Serbian writer.

[Ford]

Serbs in Zagreb were like present day diasporian Serbs. They were bankers, intelectuals, bussinesmen... originated of other regions of present day Croatia. They were not native in Zagreb, of course.

My grandfather used to work at a company in Zagreb (although I think it was run by Serbs). Don't remember the name though.

[Dna8]

Well, I heard more than one Serb claiming Croat Ivo Andrić was greatest Serbian writer.

Greatest (or one of) Yugoslav writers for sure

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Greatest (or one of) Yugoslav writers for sure

He got Nobel award for literature after all.

[Pribislav]

There were Serb businessmen in late 19th century. But there were other ethnicities too.

An example of Serbian intelectual elite living in Zagreb is Serbian family Medaković which came from Zrmanja in southern Lika https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dejan_Medaković

They escaped from Zagreb to Belgrade in 1941, because they should have been killed as by ustashe as Serbian intelectual familly.

[Dna8]

I'm interested to learn more about the Ragusani (how they fit into their contemporary context)..

[Ayetooey]

I'm interested to learn more about the Ragusani (how they fit into their contemporary context)..

Ask user Robocop, he will give you lecture on them.

[Dna8]

Ask user Robocop, he will give you lecture on them.

Okay, as long as I'm allowed to drink during the lecture.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

An exsmple of Serbian intelectual elite living in Zagreb is Serbian family Medaković which came from Zrmanja in southern Lika https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dejan_Medaković

They escaped from Zagreb to Belgrade in 1941, because they should have been killed as by ustashe as Serbian intelectual familly.

Don't be so sure. It's mostly rural Serbs that got the worst. Lot of urban Jews and Serbs served Ustashe regime as clerks and similar. Pavelić wife was Jewess after all.

this is funny (Serbian site)

https://www.bastabalkana.com/2015/09/srpski-ustaski-generali-u-ndh-nezavisnoj-drzavi-hrvatskoj/

NDH had 13 Serb generals and 28 Jewish generals

https://i.giphy.com/media/fGuqeA6PiXINa/200.gif

:cry2

[Ayetooey]

Okay, as long as I'm allowed to drink during the lecture.

You may drink unpasteurised sheeps milk like a true Vlach!

[Pribislav]

Well, I heard more than one Serb claiming Croat Ivo Andrić was greatest Serbian writer.

He is Yugoslavian writer, born as Croatian. Bosniaks don't like him, they claim that he presented them as convertits and savages.

Arsen Dedić was born as Serb, but he belong to Croatian culture. I don't deny that.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

He is Yugoslavian writer, born as Croatian. Bosniaks don't like him, they claim that he present them as convertits and savages.

Arsen Dedić was born as Serb, but he belong to Croatian culture. I don't deny that.

Well I think Andrić belongs to Serbian and Bosnian culture both. He created his greatest work in Belgrade and wrote on ekavian dialect. But Bosnia was always central stage of his stories.

[Ford]

Anyways, the pictures you posted remind me of people from where I come from. The man on the 6th picture even resembles one of my relatives.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Two of Serb origin generals received right to carry Knight title which means they distinguished themself in fighting. In regular NDH army (Home Guard/Hrvatsko domobranstvo), not Ustaše millitia ofcourse.
It was similar award like Knight's Cross in German Army.

[Pribislav]

Well I think Andrić belongs to Serbian and Bosnian culture both. He createt his greatest work in Belgrade and wrote on ekavian dialect. But Bosnia was always central stage of his stories.

Make sense.
His national feeling is not clear. Officially he was Yugoslavian and in very good relations with Karađorđević donasty and Tito.
Funny, he promoted Bosnia so much in his literature, and Bosniaks claim that his literature was heavy anti-Muslim.

[Ford]

Two od Serb origin generals received right to carry Knight title which means they distinguished themself in fighting. In regular NDH army (Home Guard/Hrvatsko domobranstvo), not Ustaše millitia ofcourse.
It was similar award like Knight's Cross in German Army.

There are a lot of things that don't make any sense... Kinda like this guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismet_Popovac

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

There are a lot of things that don't make any sense... Kinda like this guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismet_Popovac

History is more complex than it seems at first glance indeed.

[Pribislav]

Anyways, the pictures you posted remind me of people from where I come from. The man on the 6th picture even resembles one of my relatives.

On photo is married couple Milanko on krsna slava of family Veselinović near Obrovac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obrovac,_Croatia
Photo is from 1910.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/52/03/05/52030563e372f5a281230cbd62273b6c.jpg

[Pribislav]

I have seen on forum Poreklo ("Serbian DNA project") 8 Serbs with different surnames from village Žegar was tested and they are all I2-PH908 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Žegar,_Croatia

Stojan Janković was born in Žegar, so I bealive that he was I2-PH908 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stojan_Janković

[Pribislav]

http://www.moje-kistanje.net/images/bajka40.jpg
http://www.moje-kistanje.net/images/bajka43.jpg
http://www.moje-kistanje.net/images/bajka53.jpg
http://www.moje-kistanje.net/images/bajka57.jpg
http://www.moje-kistanje.net/images/bajka6.jpg
http://www.moje-kistanje.net/images/bajka7.jpg
http://www.moje-kistanje.net/images/bajka85.jpg
http://www.moje-kistanje.net/images/bajka83.jpg
http://www.moje-kistanje.net/images/bajka9.jpg

[Pribislav]

...

[Pribislav]

http://www.radio-dunav.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/21167685_471853613194356_5444690241313469284_o.jpg
https://vesti-online.com/data/images/2017-04-21/650097_220420c5_f.jpg?1493215745
http://www.eparhija-dalmatinska.hr/Images/Novosti/0036.jpg
https://www.sibenik.in/upload/novosti/2015/08/2015-08-19/46183/krka12.jpg

[Vožd]

There are a lot of Serbs from the RSK living there?

Yes, but you are Alpino-Pontid (if i remember well), so Voivodina is where you best pass.

[MiloshN]

Yes, but you are Alpino-Pontid (if i remember well), so Voivodina is where you best pass.

Ok for Alpine, but Pontid? :D

[Vožd]

Serbs in Zagreb were like present day diasporian Serbs. They were bankers, intelectuals, bussinesmen... originated of other regions of present day Croatia. They were not native in Zagreb, of course.

Zagreb was irrelevant for Serbs, unlike Novi Sad.

[Vožd]

Ok for Alpine, but Pontid? :D

Alpinids, Dinarids, Pontids and Gorids are usual phenotypes here.

[MiloshN]

Alpinids, Dinarids, Pontids and Gorids are usual phenotypes here.

Well, it's possible that I fit perfectly into your area.

[Vožd]

Well, it's possible that I fit perfectly into your area.

Yes, easly.

[MiloshN]

Yes, easly.

Nice.

[Pribislav]

Zagreb was irrelevant for Serbs, unlike Novi Sad.

Zagren was important bussines center of Serbs in second half of 19th and first half of 20th century as Trieste earlier https://www.in4s.net/projekat-privrednik-srpska-preduzetnicka-elita-u-zagrebu-na-medji-dva-vijeka/?lang=lat

Serbs in Zagreb were always tiny minority, unlike Novi Sad which was known as Ratzen Stadt (Serbian town). Of course that Novi Sad was more important, it's not by accident nickname of Novi Sad "Serbian Athens."

[Pribislav]

From Serbian school in Islam Grčki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_Grčki
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/1454616_6093499905795834_1158574387_n-jpg.636833/
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/16298638_1319822471415237_8733055513510739311_n-jpg.636839/
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/66475460_2405448929519247_357151450062651392_o-1-jpg.636841/


Serbian traditional female costumes from Knin area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knin
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/36988150_1989551267742426_3249298628082139136_n-1-jpg.630807/


Serbian family from Benkovac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benkovac
http://www.benkovac.rs/administrator/files/gallery/images/sl6008.jpg

[PAGANE]

People from the Balkans weigh most in the Balkans

[Pribislav]

..

[aherne]

From Serbian school in Islam Grčki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_Grčki
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/1454616_6093499905795834_1158574387_n-jpg.636833/
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/16298638_1319822471415237_8733055513510739311_n-jpg.636839/
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/66475460_2405448929519247_357151450062651392_o-1-jpg.636841/


Interesting how children are super-blonde, but teens are almost entirely brown haired (similar to Irish, which they resemble somewhat). Pigmentation wise they are MUCH lighter than Romanians or Hungarians: some look Slavic but most look "local" blondes (Corded + Borreby)

[Pribislav]

Interesting how children are super-blonde, but teens are almost entirely brown haired (similar to Irish, which they resemble somewhat). Pigmentation wise they are MUCH lighter than Romanians or Hungarians: some look Slavic but most look "local" blondes (Corded + Borreby)

Children on the last photo are like these Serbian children from Korenica https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korenica
https://korenicani.com/fotografije/Generacija%2046-47.jpg

[aherne]

Children on the last photo are like these Serbian children from Korenica https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korenica
https://korenicani.com/fotografije/Generacija%2046-47.jpg

Most children are blonde (all, according to Romanian standards), something I've also noticed among local ("Serbian") tourists in Budva. No difference from "Croats": same people, different religion/politics... It's like Russians vs. Ukrainians

[Celine]

This is wrong on so many levels.