Which Arab group is most closely related to Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews?

[Sikeliot]

Which?

[Smeagol]

Syrians are the closest.

[Sikeliot]

Syrians are the closest.

More than Lebanese?

[Smeagol]

More than Lebanese?

I think so but they're nearly the same.

[Borealis]

Well, we can already rule out non-Levantines for Ashkenazi and non-North Africans/Levantines for Sephardim. Based on nMonte:

Model Sample Details Fit Ashkenazi Jew
1 Ashkenazi_Jew Egyptian:Average 12.8293 100
2 Ashkenazi_Jew Jordanian:Average 9.6859 100
3 Ashkenazi_Jew Lebanese_Christian:Average 5.5187 100
4 Ashkenazi_Jew Lebanese_Druze:Average 5.2881 100
5 Ashkenazi_Jew Lebanese_Muslim:Average 5.2465 100
6 Ashkenazi_Jew Moroccan:Average 20.3744 100
7 Ashkenazi_Jew Palestinian:Average 7.7157 100
8 Ashkenazi_Jew Tunisian:Average 16.5923 100

Model Sample Details Fit Sephardic Jew
1 Sephardic_Jew Egyptian:Average 11.343 100
2 Sephardic_Jew Jordanian:Average 8.0315 100
3 Sephardic_Jew Lebanese_Christian:Average 4.2007 100
4 Sephardic_Jew Lebanese_Druze:Average 4.1471 100
5 Sephardic_Jew Lebanese_Muslim:Average 4.1947 100
6 Sephardic_Jew Moroccan:Average 19.1308 100
7 Sephardic_Jew Palestinian:Average 6.5146 100
8 Sephardic_Jew Tunisian:Average 15.3161 100

Lebs are closest. No data for Syrians but they are similar. So it's between Lebanese and Syrians, I would say on average Lebanese are closer since east Syrians are bedouin/Mesopotamian shifted(I think) which would push them away from Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews.

[Haider]

Well, we can already rule out non-Levantines for Ashkenazi and non-North Africans/Levantines for Sephardim. Based on nMonte:

Model Sample Details Fit Ashkenazi Jew
1 Ashkenazi_Jew Egyptian:Average 12.8293 100
2 Ashkenazi_Jew Jordanian:Average 9.6859 100
3 Ashkenazi_Jew Lebanese_Christian:Average 5.5187 100
4 Ashkenazi_Jew Lebanese_Druze:Average 5.2881 100
5 Ashkenazi_Jew Lebanese_Muslim:Average 5.2465 100
6 Ashkenazi_Jew Moroccan:Average 20.3744 100
7 Ashkenazi_Jew Palestinian:Average 7.7157 100
8 Ashkenazi_Jew Tunisian:Average 16.5923 100

Model Sample Details Fit Sephardic Jew
1 Sephardic_Jew Egyptian:Average 11.343 100
2 Sephardic_Jew Jordanian:Average 8.0315 100
3 Sephardic_Jew Lebanese_Christian:Average 4.2007 100
4 Sephardic_Jew Lebanese_Druze:Average 4.1471 100
5 Sephardic_Jew Lebanese_Muslim:Average 4.1947 100
6 Sephardic_Jew Moroccan:Average 19.1308 100
7 Sephardic_Jew Palestinian:Average 6.5146 100
8 Sephardic_Jew Tunisian:Average 15.3161 100

Lebs are closest. No data for Syrians but they are similar. So it's between Lebanese and Syrians, I would say on average Lebanese are closer since east Syrians are bedouin/Mesopotamian shifted(I think) which would push them away from Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews.


And Western and Northern Syrians are HEAVILY Turkish inputed.

[Borealis]

Levantine Arabs are more closely related to Jews than they are to other Arabs, lol.

[Smeagol]

And Western and Northern Syrians are HEAVILY Turkish inputed.

Jews are probably closer to Turks than any pure Levantines.

[Anglojew]

I would have said Palestinians but is this not the case?

[Borealis]

And Western and Northern Syrians are HEAVILY Turkish inputed.

And those in the far south(Houranis) are Jordanian-ish right? In that case it's definitely Lebanese which are closer.


I would have said Palestinians but is this not the case?

Palestinians have some(I think like 30%) Bedouin admixture which pushes them away from Jews. It makes sense that their closest relatives would be the least admixed Levantines.

[chalcogen]

And those in the far south(Houranis) are Jordanian-ish right? In that case it's definitely Lebanese which are closer.



Palestinians have some(I think like 30%) Bedouin admixture which pushes them away from Jews. It makes sense that their closest relatives would be the least admixed Levantines.
Could Samaritans fit the bill? I don't know how admixed they are but they do live in the same area.

[Kamal900]

Could Samaritans fit the bill? I don't know how admixed they are but they do live in the same area.

Basically this along with the Christians and the Druze with some Muslims.

[renaissance12]

Lebanese Syrian

[Anglojew]

And those in the far south(Houranis) are Jordanian-ish right? In that case it's definitely Lebanese which are closer.



Palestinians have some(I think like 30%) Bedouin admixture which pushes them away from Jews. It makes sense that their closest relatives would be the least admixed Levantines.

Yes it does

[Bandesha]

i am pakistani and i am 4% ashkenazi jew , first i thought it was some nazi shit

[Papastratosels26]

Syrians and Lebanese.

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[Sp_loa]

Individually, the clostest MENA (exculding cypriots) group to me are Lebanese Muslims :

Me (Sephardi Jewish Berber-Jewish mix)
9 Cyprian 11.23
10 Central_Greek 12.14
11 West_Sicilian 12.32
12 Lebanese_Muslim 13.9
13 Italian_Abruzzo 14.04
14 Syrian 14.2
15 Samaritan 15.29
16 Palestinian 15.5
17 Jordanian 15.63
18 Lebanese_Christian 17.02
19 Tunisian 17.02
20 Lebanese_Druze 17.59


Ashkenazi from Germany:

13 Cyprian 13.71
14 Tuscan 15.07
15 Lebanese_Muslim 15.82
16 Syrian 17.05
17 Turkish 17.48
18 Lebanese_Druze 19.41
19 Jordanian 19.75
20 Samaritan 19.86

[Sp_loa]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Kingdoms_of_Israel_and_Judah_map_830.svg/250px-Kingdoms_of_Israel_and_Judah_map_830.svg.png

Technically Kingdom of Judah was geographically closer to Modern day Jordan than to Modern day Lebanon.
Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) was closer Modern day to Lebanon.

[Levant15]

It would make sense that Lebanese are the closest. Afterall they're western shifted. While Palestinian and Syrians are southern shifted.

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[Sp_loa]

Sephardi from Turkey:

12 Cyprian 12.67
13 Greek_Thessaly 13.86
14 Lebanese_Muslim 15.54
15 Tuscan 15.95
16 Syrian 16.66
17 Samaritan 18.29
18 Lebanese_Druze 18.42
19 Palestinian 18.64
20 Jordanian 18.78

63.4% Lebanese_Druze + 36.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.71

[Tauromachos]

Maltese

[Borealis]

Individually, the clostest MENA (exculding cypriots) group to me are Lebanese Muslims :

Me (Sephardi Jewish Berber-Jewish mix)
9 Cyprian 11.23
10 Central_Greek 12.14
11 West_Sicilian 12.32
12 Lebanese_Muslim 13.9
13 Italian_Abruzzo 14.04
14 Syrian 14.2
15 Samaritan 15.29
16 Palestinian 15.5
17 Jordanian 15.63
18 Lebanese_Christian 17.02
19 Tunisian 17.02
20 Lebanese_Druze 17.59


Ashkenazi from Germany:

13 Cyprian 13.71
14 Tuscan 15.07
15 Lebanese_Muslim 15.82
16 Syrian 17.05
17 Turkish 17.48
18 Lebanese_Druze 19.41
19 Jordanian 19.75
20 Samaritan 19.86

Well there you go OP. Lebanese are closest.

[Ayetooey]

Lebanese or Jordanians.

[xripkan]

Supposing that Ashkenazi Jews are a mix of middle eastern people and Europeans we can conclude that the Lebanese is the most closest group. This middle eastern group has mixed more than any other middle easterners with Europeans since the age of crusades.

[Hadouken]

Supposing that Ashkenazi Jews are a mix of middle eastern people and Europeans we can conclude that the Lebanese is the most closest group. This middle eastern group has mixed more than any other middle easterners with Europeans since the age of crusades.

the vikings of west asia :) what else is new

[Haider]

And those in the far south(Houranis) are Jordanian-ish right? In that case it's definitely Lebanese which are closer.


Depends. The Sweida region in the Houran is mainly Druze, although they are originally from Lebanon and only moved there in the 18th century after an inter-Druze war in Lebanon. But indeed, Southern Syrian Sunni Arabs are mostly a mixture of Levantine and Bedouin, North/Eastern Syrian Sunni Arabs a mix of Mesopotamians and Bedouins, whilst those in the North/West and coastal regions mostly a mix of Levantine and Turkish.

[cyberlorian]

Lebanese.

[Haider]

Jews are probably closer to Turks than any pure Levantines.

Phenotypically probably yes, since many Turks are of Greek, Albanian, Bosnian or other European descent. Genetically to neither.