Students from Novi Sad (northern Serbia)

[Pribislav]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Sad

http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/138/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2582.jpg?id=2582
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/138/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2588.jpg?id=2588
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/138/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2626.jpg?id=2626
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/138/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2572.jpg?id=2572
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/138/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2581.jpg?id=2581
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/138/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2591.jpg?id=2591
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/22/130/MojNOVISADcom_22Maj2015_NoviSad_2385.jpg?id=2385
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/138/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2605.jpg?id=2605
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/138/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2602.jpg?id=2602
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/138/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2583.jpg?id=2583
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/22/130/MojNOVISADcom_22Maj2015_NoviSad_2361.jpg?id=2361
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo//thumb/fullsize/2015/05/22/130/MojNOVISADcom_22Maj2015_NoviSad_2370.jpg?id=2370
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/138/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2574.jpg?id=2574
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/141/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2673.jpg?id=2673
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/141/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2675.jpg?id=2675
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/141/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2692.jpg?id=2692
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/141/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2710.jpg?id=2710
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/141/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2712.jpg?id=2712
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/141/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2719.jpg?id=2719
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/141/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2689.jpg?id=2689

[Tauromachos]

Mainly other Slavic countries from Balkan up till Poland

Not exlcuding of course that some would also fit in Russia

A few might fit everywhere in Europe
Some i see fitting in Northern Italy and/or the Alpine region from South Tirol till Austria

[CommonSense]

Mainly Pontids, North Pontids and Alpines. They could fit in Croatia, Bosnia, Hungary and (North) Romania, I suppose.

We have to keep in mind that Novi Sad has students from all over Vojvodina and that includes ethnic minorities too, which means that some of the students in the photos aren't ethnic Serbs.

[Pribislav]

Mainly Pontids, North Pontids and Alpines. They could fit in Croatia, Bosnia, Hungary and (North) Romania, I suppose.

We have to keep in mind that Novi Sad has students from all over Vojvodina and that includes ethnic minorities too, which means that some of the students in the photos aren't ethnic Serbs.

Few of these sudents are probably minorities , but vast majority are ethnic Serbs for sure.

Serbs are in reality currently is about 75% in Vojvodina. % of Serbs in Vojvodina grows from year to yers, and % of minorities falls. :thumb001:

These students are maturants of 2 secundary schools in Novi Sad (which means they are 18-19 years old), and in Novi Sad Serbs are about 80% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Sad#Demographics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Sad#Demographics)
Souronding places around Novi Sad have even more % of Serbs than Novi Sad, and students came also from souronding villages and towns not only from city Novi Sad.

Blonde girl in yellow t-shirt is 1/1 Serb (3 fingers - Serbian symbol). Interesting, Vojvodinian Serbs are one the greatest Serbian nationalists.
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/138/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2591.jpg?id=2591

[Dick]

Few of these sudents are probably minorities , but vast majority are ethnic Serbs for sure.

Serbs are in reality currently is about 75% in Vojvodina. % of Serbs in Vojvodina grows from year to yers, and % of minorities falls. :thumb001:

In NoviSad Serbs are about 80% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Sad#Demographics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Sad#Demographics)

Blonde girl in green t-shirt is 1/1 Serb (3 fingers - Serbian symbol). Interesting, Vojvodinian Serbs are one the greatest Serbian nationalists.
http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/138/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2591.jpg?id=2591

That dude is one lucky guy

[rein]

That dude is one lucky guy

It’s never about luck.

[Ayetooey]

Hot ayran Slavic people. They pass in Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia and some west Slavic states.

[Pribislav]

Hot ayran Slavic people. They pass in Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia and some west Slavic states.

Compare these students from Novi sad with Albo-Turkish looking Muslims from Novi Pazar https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?263660-Muslims-from-Novi-Pazar

[rein]

Look very Serbian.

[Nurzat]

being at the crossroads of Eastern, Southern and Central Europe, they have serious input from all the three regions I think. I see moderate looks, not too Eastern, not too Southern Euro, somewhere in between. I would not guess them Serbs, they just look generic Eastcentral Europeans and would largely fit from Slovakia to Bulgaria, including Moldova, northern Romania, western Ukraine, Hungary and Bosnia. all these populations also cluster together or close genetically.

also, they look considerably lighter than average southwest Romanians (Banat region)

[Dukagjini]

They look like Serbs. Would be nice to see autosomal dna of these people. Autosomal dna results are lacking in the balkans, really would like to see some hard autosomal data from all balkan ethnicities.

[Jana]

Slovakia I'd say. They don't look Croatian or Bosnian to me, some of these faces are quite foreign to me. Actually a cross between Slovakia/Hungary and Serbia, which should reflect demographic situation in the city.

[Ayetooey]

Compare these students from Novi sad with Albo-Turkish looking Muslims from Novi Pazar https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?263660-Muslims-from-Novi-Pazar

Lol, the Sandzakians look like they are from an entirely different continent.

These Vojvodinians even look quite different to many Dalmatian Serbs, especially my family. I notice a strong lack of Dinarids.

[Ayetooey]

Slovakia I'd say. They don't look Croatian or Bosnian to me, some of these faces are quite foreign to me. Actually a cross between Slovakia/Hungary and Serbia, which should reflect demographic situation in the city.

I agree to an extent. They look very Slavic but with an eastern shift, they have very different faces to even my family. I think best Croatian region they would fit in is Slavonia. They wouldn't pass well in Dalmatian Islands for example.

[Pribislav]

They look like Serbs. Would be nice to see autosomal dna of these people. Autosomal dna results are lacking in the balkans, really would like to see some hard autosomal data from all balkan ethnicities.

Results of one 100% Vojvodinian Serb.
https://i.postimg.cc/dtYpqW7S/Screenshoot-2018-6-11-https-www-gedmatch-com-6.png
https://i.postimg.cc/9XTsH3f7/Screenshot-2018-6-11-https-www-gedmatch-com-1.png

Eurogenes K12b
North European - 32,78
Western European - 23,56
Mediterranean - 15,85
Caucasus - 11,48
Southwest Asian - 6,77
West Central Asian - 4,76
East Asian - 0,55

K12b Dodecad
North _European - 41,81
Atlantic_Med - 26,29
Caucasus - 18,63
Gedrosia - 6,3
Southwest_Asian - 6,29
Southest_Asian - 0,49
South_Asian - 0,15

[Hungarian_master]

Gorid, Pontid, Baltid, Dinarid and Norid.

They fit Croatia, Slovakia, Hungary and Slovenia and many countries in Central-East Europe.

[Dukagjini]

Results of one 100% Vojvodinian Serb.
https://i.postimg.cc/dtYpqW7S/Screenshoot-2018-6-11-https-www-gedmatch-com-6.png
https://i.postimg.cc/9XTsH3f7/Screenshot-2018-6-11-https-www-gedmatch-com-1.png

Eurogenes K12b
North European - 32,78
Western European - 23,56
Mediterranean - 15,85
Caucasus - 11,48
Southwest Asian - 6,77
West Central Asian - 4,76
East Asian - 0,55

K12b Dodecad
North _European - 41,81
Atlantic_Med - 26,29
Caucasus - 18,63
Gedrosia - 6,3
Southwest_Asian - 6,29
Southest_Asian - 0,49
South_Asian - 0,15

Do you know the reference points for Baltic in GEDmatch? It's odd that East Euro is so low in south slavs on gedmatch.

[Papastratosels26]

Pontids, North Pontids and Alpines

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[Jana]

I agree to an extent. They look very Slavic but with an eastern shift, they have very different faces to even my family. I think best Croatian region they would fit in is Slavonia. They wouldn't pass well in Dalmatian Islands for example.

I see some German faces too. Overall very East-Central Euro bunch with few recognizible Serbs. All groups from Vojvodina generally look quite Central Euro judging from people I know IRL.

[Jana]

Do you know the reference points for Baltic in GEDmatch? It's odd that East Euro is so low in south slavs on gedmatch.

No it's not odd, Eastern Euro is not a Slavic component and it peaks in Chuvash.

[Dukagjini]

No it's not odd, Eastern Euro is not a Slavic component and it peaks in Chuvash.

So baltic is the slavic reference?

[Jana]

So baltic is the slavic reference?

All Slavs score mix of several components, but baltic is much stronger than east euro. But that also doesn't peak in Slavs but in Balts :D

[Pribislav]

No it's not odd, Eastern Euro is not a Slavic component and it peaks in Chuvash.

How looks to you results of Vojvodinian guy up?

To me he is an average Serb. His is the closest to Serbs.

[Jana]

How looks to you results of Vojvodinian guy up?

To me he is an average Serb. His is the closest to Serbs.

Yep. Vojvodina Serbs should be pretty representative of average Serbs genetically.

[Pribislav]

..

[Pribislav]

Yep. Vojvodina Serbs should be pretty representative of average Serbs genetically.

K36 map of Vovodinian Serb up.
https://i.postimg.cc/kX6bMdZ7/evropa.png

[Vožd]

Pontids and Alpinids mostly, i expected a bit more Dinarids. I think they pass best in central and southeast Europe, but also can pass somewhere in east and south Europe.

[CommonSense]

I see some German faces too. Overall very East-Central Euro bunch with few recognizible Serbs. All groups from Vojvodina generally look quite Central Euro judging from people I know IRL.

The pictures are a bit cherrypicked. Most of them do look typical for the region, basically slightly lighter than average Pontids. However, the groups who look strongly Central European probably have some Magyars and Slovaks in them and do not resemble at all the people I saw on the streets of places like Novi Sad, Subotica, Kovin, etc. The trio in this photo, as well as the guy with the black shirt in the back are undoubtedly the most typical faces in Vojvodina (and Serbia in general):

http://www.mojnovisad.com/pub-photo/thumb/fullsize/2015/05/29/138/MojNOVISADcom_29Maj2015_NoviSad_2602.jpg?id=2602

[Pribislav]

Slovakia I'd say. They don't look Croatian or Bosnian to me, some of these faces are quite foreign to me. Actually a cross between Slovakia/Hungary and Serbia, which should reflect demographic situation in the city.

This are students from Zrenjanin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zrenjanin
How they looks to you? Where they could fit the best in Croatia and in some other countries?
http://www.listztenjanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/DSC_0683-..jpg
http://www.listzrenjanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/DSC_0655-..jpg
http://www.listzrenjanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Maturanti-sa-direktorkom-i-raz-staresinom.jpg
http://listzrenjanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/MATURANTI-FOTO-JOVAN-NJEGOVIC-DRNDAK-034_resize.jpg
http://www.listzrenjanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/MATURANTI-FOTO-JOVAN-NJEGOVIC-DRNDAK-004_resize.jpg

[Ayetooey]

This are students from Zrenjanin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zrenjanin
How they looks to you? Where they could fit the best in Croatia and in some other countries?
http://www.listztenjanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/DSC_0683-..jpg
http://www.listzrenjanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/DSC_0655-..jpg
http://listzrenjanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/MATURANTI-FOTO-JOVAN-NJEGOVIC-DRNDAK-034_resize.jpg
http://www.listzrenjanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/MATURANTI-FOTO-JOVAN-NJEGOVIC-DRNDAK-004_resize.jpg

Lol, guy on the top right looks like he belongs in Polaca.

A lot of my extended family live in Vojvodina, mainly in Novi Sad and Sombor, wouldn't surprise me if there are a lot of Dalmatian-Serbs in these pictures.

[Moje ime]

K36 map of Vovodinian Serb up.
https://i.postimg.cc/kX6bMdZ7/evropa.png

Well not really representative for Serbia in general according to map.

But you probably know in Vojvodina settled lot of Bosnian/Croatian Serbs especially after 90s.

[Ayetooey]

Well not really representative for Serbia in general according to map.

But you probably know in Vojvodina settled lot of Bosnian/Croatian Serbs especially after 90s.

Yes there are an extreme amount of Croatian-Serbs there, even earlier, my grandmothers family all temporarily moved there during WW2 due to Ustase, and a lot of her relatives ended up staying over there and marrying. I think the result would be different if you just took "Native" Vojvodina Serbs.

[Moje ime]

Yes there are an extreme amount of Croatian-Serbs there, even earlier, my grandmothers family all temporarily moved there during WW2 due to Ustase, and a lot of her relatives ended up staying over there and marrying.

After WW2 Communists settled lot of Serbs from around Banja Luka region (Bosnia) in Vojvodina villages as part of migration plans. I know such cases.

[Pribislav]

Well not really representative for Serbia in general according to map.

But you probably know in Vojvodina settled lot of Bosnian/Croatian Serbs especially after 90s.

Guy whose result I put is "native" Vojvodinian Serb.
His mother is from Syrmia, and his father is from Banat.
His ancestors from his mother's side settled to Syrmia about 1770 from northern Dalmatia, as ancestors of many Syrmian Serbs.
His ancestors from his father's side are recorded in Banat in the last 320 years.

[Moje ime]

This are students from Zrenjanin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zrenjanin


Zrenjanin (Banat) has Romanian minority.

[Ayetooey]

Guy whose result I put is "native" Vojvodinian Serb.
His mother is from Syrmia, and his father is from Banat.
His ancestors from his mother's side settled to Syrmia about 1770 from northern Dalmatia, as ancestors of many Syrmian Serbs.
His ancestors from his father's side are recorded in Banat in the last 320 years.
This is interesting as pretty much all of my matches from Serbia on 23andme are from Vojvodina some have 2 grandparents from Dalmatia, but many usually the more distant ones have 4 grandparents born in Vojvodina. There must of been some of these early migrations from the Knin region.

[Pribislav]

Zrenjanin (Banat) has Romanian minority.

Serbs are 74,24% in Zrenjanin, and Romanians are 1,75% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zrenjanin#Demographics

People from Zrenjanin which I put don't looks like Romanians. There are Serbian flags on the last 2 photos.

[Moje ime]

People from Zrenjanin which I put don't looks like Romanians.

True.

[Pribislav]

This is interesting as pretty much all of my matches from Serbia on 23andme are from Vojvodina some have 2 grandparents from Dalmatia, but many usually the more distant ones have 4 grandparents born in Vojvodina. There must of been some of these early migrations from the Knin region.

A lot of Serbs from northern Dalmatia, Lika, Kordun, Banija and western Bosnia settled to Syrmia (mostly eastern part, and Donji Srem) in 18th and 19th century.

I personanly know some Syrmians from Stara Pazova, Krnješevci, Ugrinovci, Batajnica and Golubinci whose ancestors settled there from northern Dalmatia and Lika in 18th and 19th century.
I have meet man in Krnješevci with surname Bursać, and he said to me that his ancestors came to Krnješevci from Plavno in northern Dalmatia in year 1780.
In Batajnica I have meet man whose ancestors came from Bukovica in first half of 19th century.
I know more examples.
Village Surduk was founded by Serbian settlers from northern Dalmatia and Lika in 18th century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surduk

Ancestors of guy whose results I put from his mother's side came to Surduk from Bukovica in 1770s.

[Jana]

This are students from Zrenjanin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zrenjanin
How they looks to you? Where they could fit the best in Croatia and in some other countries?
http://www.listztenjanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/DSC_0683-..jpg
http://www.listzrenjanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/DSC_0655-..jpg
http://www.listzrenjanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Maturanti-sa-direktorkom-i-raz-staresinom.jpg
http://listzrenjanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/MATURANTI-FOTO-JOVAN-NJEGOVIC-DRNDAK-034_resize.jpg
http://www.listzrenjanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/MATURANTI-FOTO-JOVAN-NJEGOVIC-DRNDAK-004_resize.jpg

These would fit all over, in my region quite good suprisingly.

[Tschaikisten]

Majority of “students” on these pics are not “pure” or at least partially Vojvodina Serbs. I know some of them personally, and most of them who they are. This is still small city. :P

[Pribislav]

Majority of “students” on these pics are not “pure” or at least partially Vojvodina Serbs. I know some of them personally, and most of them who they are. This is still small city. :P

"Pure native" Vojvodinian Serbs are very rare today. They are heavy mixed with Serbian colonist from Bosnia, Montenegro and Croatia which settled to Vojvodina after WW1 and WW2.

My friend from secundary school is from Kovin. His surname is typical for Vojvodinian Serbs (ended on ov). His paternal ancestors are in Banat +300 years, but his mother is from Banja Luka area in northwestern Bosnia.

My other friend also from school days is from one village near Pančevo. He is native in all lines which he know. His surname is atypical for Serbs, and he think that he maybe have far Romanian origin. His ancestors were considered themselves for Serbs from when it's remembered.

[Tschaikisten]

"Pure native" Vojvodinian Serbs are very rare today. They are heavy mixed with Serbian colonist from Bosnia, Montenegro and Croatia which settled to Vojvodina after WW1 and WW2.

My friend from secundary school is from Kovin. His surname is typical for Vojvodinian Serbs (ended on ov). His paternal ancestors are in Banat +300 years, but his mother is from Banja Luka area in northwestern Bosnia.

My other friend also from school days is from one village near Pančevo. He is native in all lines which he know. His surname is atypical for Serbs, and he think that he maybe have far Romanian origin. His ancestors were considered themselves for Serbs from when it's remembered.

In Novi Sad most of Serb youth (younger than 25 years for example) are in most cases mix of Serbs from Bosnia and Herzegovina (mostly Bosnian Krajina) or Serbs from Croatia (Krajina) and Vojvodinian Serbs. I'l say that some average is that it's 50/50% mix in one person case, for example dad is from Bosnia and mother from Vojvodina. That mixing mostly starded after WW2 with colonization, and after 90ths wars. Even parents of mixed kids comming from mixed Serb areas. Or for example, grandma from father side is Hungarian, grandpa is from Montenegro, mother side is from Bosnia.

Today there are even economic migrants from other parts of Serbia, so everything is more mixed.

[Pribislav]

In Novi Sad most of Serb youth (younger than 25 years for example) are in most cases mix of Serbs from Bosnia and Herzegovina (mostly Bosnian Krajina) or Serbs from Croatia (Krajina) and Vojvodinian Serbs. I'l say that some average is that it's 50/50% mix in one person case, for example dad is from Bosnia and mother from Vojvodina. That mixing mostly starded after WW2 with colonization, and after 90ths wars. Even parents of mixed kids comming from mixed Serb areas. Or for example, grandma from father side is Hungarian, grandpa is from Montenegro, mother side is from Bosnia.

Today there are even economic migrants from other parts of Serbia, so everything is more mixed.

I heard that "native" Vojvodinian Serbs (starosedeoci) were very rare mixed with other nations such as Bunjevci, Croatians, Hungarians, Germans, Slovaks, Romanians...
I also heard that Serbs which colonized Vojvodina after WW1, WW2 (mostly from Bosnia, Montenegro and Croatia) and which arrived in 1990s from Bosnia and Croatia quite more often had/have marriages with other nations than starosedeoci Serbs.

"Pure" starosedeoci probably can be found in Mokrin and few more places in Vojvodina.

[Tschaikisten]

I heard that "native" Vojvodinian Serbs (starosedeoci) were very rare mixed with other nations such as Bunjevci, Croatians, Hungarians, Slovaks, Romanians...
Vojvodinian Serbs from the past who were mixed with non-Serbs (19th century and before) were mostly people who wanted to get higher positions in the army (with acepting Catholic faith) and people who lived in the northern parts (provincial, non-military areas). In military areas such as Šajkaška was Serbs were high majority with literally no mixing with non-Serbs.

I also heard that Serbs which colonized Vojvodina after WW1, WW2 and which arrived in 1990s from Bosnia and Croatia quite more often have marriages with other nations than starosedeoci Serbs.
That is true. You'll find a lot of intermarriages between colonists from Montenegro and Hungarians in Lovćenac. In that village Hungarians use dialect from Cetinje. xD

[aherne]

They look like Yugoslavs, close to Hungarians, too. There is some Slavic element, too, but the vast majority (incl light ones) have nothing Slavic (Baltid is uncommon).

[Pribislav]

Vojvodinian Serbs from the past who were mixed with non-Serbs (19th century and before) were mostly people who wanted to get higher positions in the army (with acepting Catholic faith) and people who lived in the northern parts (provincial, non-military areas). In military areas such as Šajkaška was Serbs were high majority with literally no mixing with non-Serbs.

That is true. You'll find a lot of intermarriages between colonists from Montenegro and Hungarians in Lovćenac. In that village Hungarians use dialect from Cetinje. xD

Vojvodinian Serbs from Austrian/Austro-Hungarian time which mixed with non-Serbs and accepted Catholicism mostly adopted Hungarian identity, right?

Most famous hungarized Serbs from Vojvodina and Hungary from the past were Jovan Damjanić, Sandor Petofi and Dimitrije Stojaković.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/János_Damjanich
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sándor_Petőfi
https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Димитрије_Стојаковић

[Pribislav]

Hungarian peot, revolutionar and national hero Sándor Petőfi was of Serbian and Slovak origin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sándor_Petőfi#Early_life


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=kSuoKkXa6Tg

[Lavrentis]

Intermediate between Central Europe and Bulgaria

[Regnera]

Croatia,Bulgaria,Albania Montenegro Moldova and NE Italy

[Mingle]

How looks to you results of Vojvodinian guy up?

To me he is an average Serb. His is the closest to Serbs.


Yep. Vojvodina Serbs should be pretty representative of average Serbs genetically.

This guy is genetically closer to Moldovans, Croatians, Austrians and Hungarians than to Bulgarians. Doesn't he seem a bit more CE-shifted than the average Serbia Serb?

[Mingle]

"Pure" starosedeoci probably can be found in Mokrin and few more places in Vojvodina.

By starosedeoci, are you referring to Serbs that migrated there during the Ottoman era?

[Vojnik]

Not Macedonia, the majority don't.

[Mortimer]

I voted croatia, bosnia and romania. I think they would also fit in Bulgaria and Moldova

[pelikarski]

Hot ayran Slavic people. They pass in Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia and some west Slavic states.

+1

[catgeorge]

Between Ukraine and Poland.

Nice looking bunch.

[cyberlorian]

Croatia and Slovenia.

[Pribislav]

This guy is genetically closer to Moldovans, Croatians, Austrians and Hungarians than to Bulgarians. Doesn't he seem a bit more CE-shifted than the average Serbia Serb?

The closest population to him are Serbs.

His is slightly more northern shifted than average for Serbs from Serbia.

This are results of guy who is 3/4 Lika Serb, and 1/4 Dalmatian Serb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lika he got similar results as Vojvodinian guy.
https://i.imgur.com/ljAxevh.png
https://i.imgur.com/TO77x5E.png
https://i.imgur.com/QurAEqu.png

[Pribislav]

By starosedeoci, are you referring to Serbs that migrated there during the Ottoman era?

"Starosedeoci" are Serbs which live in Vojvodina few centuries, since 16th, 17th or 18th century.

Other "branch" of Serbs in Vojvodina are descendants of colonists after WW1 and WW2 which mostly came from Herzegovina, Montenegro, Bosnia, Dalmatia, Lika, Kordun and Banija, and Serbs which arrived from Bosnia and Croatia in 1990s.

"Starosedeoci" and "colonist" Serbs are heavy mixed in Vojvodina.
Tschaikisten said that most of student from photos which I put are mix of "starosedeoci" Serbs and Serbs which came from Bosnia (mostly western part) and Krajina (Croatia), as most of young people in Novi Sad.
Tschaikisten is from Novi Sad, and he has "starosedeoci" Serbs among ancestors, and also Serbs which came from Bosnia after WW2.

[Vožd]

"Starosedeoci" are Serbs which live in Vojvodina few centuries, since 16th, 17th or 18th century.

Other "branch" of Serbs in Vojvodina are descendants of colonists after WW1 and WW2 which mostly came from Herzegovina, Montenegro, Bosnia, Dalmatia, Lika, Kordun and Banija, and Serbs which arrived from Bosnia and Croatia in 1990s.

"Starosedeoci" and "colonist" Serbs are heavy mixed in Vojvodina.
Tschaikisten said that most of student from photos which I put are mix of "starosedeoci" Serbs and Serbs which came from Bosnia (mostly western part) and Krajina (Croatia), as most of young people in Novi Sad.
Tschaikisten is from Novi Sad, and he has "starosedeoci" Serbs among ancestors, and also Serbs which came from Bosnia after WW2.

There is also small group of medieval voivodinian Serbs (or serbized Slavs) too, like this guy from Slankamen. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_Sremac)

[Pribislav]

There is also small group of medieval voivodinian Serbs (or serbized Slavs) too, like this guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_Sremac)

Serbs lived in Vojvodina in the middle age, that is well known. Especially in 15th century a lot of Serbs settled to Vojvodina (mostly in Syrmia).

Medieval Vojvodinian Serbs migrated together with Hungarians to the northern and western Hungary when Ottomans arrived in 16th century. Medieval Vojvodinian Serbs were assimilated by Hungarians.
There is no or very little Serbs in Vojvodina today which their ancestors lived in Vojvodina before 16th century. One Serb from Banat said to me that his family is in Banat since 15th century, but according to migrations and wars it's hard for me bealive in that.

[aherne]

Serbs lived in Vojvodina in the middle age, that is well known. Especially in 15th century a lot of Serbs settled to Vojvodina (mostly in Syrmia).

Medieval Vojvodinian Serbs migrated together with Hungarians to the northern and western Hungary when Ottomans arrived in 16th century. Medieval Vojvodinian Serbs were assimilated by Hungarians.
There is no or very little Serbs in Vojvodina today which their ancestors lived in Vojvodina before 16th century. One Serb from Banat said to me that his family is in Banat since 15th century, but according to migrations and wars it's hard for me bealive in that.

Depends on region. Serbs in Syrmia are native: that region has always been Yugoslav majority.

[Tschaikisten]

And this is how looks like an result of that mix of different Serb areas (mine).

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.17
2 Atlantic 21.19
3 Eastern_Euro 13.41
4 North_Sea 13.09
5 West_Med 10.72
6 West_Asian 8.98
7 East_Med 8.28
8 Red_Sea 1.83
9 Amerindian 0.16
10 Northeast_African 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 6.38
2 Austrian 8.09
3 Moldavian 8.47
4 Serbian 9.27
5 Romanian 9.69
6 Hungarian 10.64
7 Bulgarian 10.85
8 South_Polish 12.19
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.96
10 East_German 13.39
11 Russian_Smolensk 13.53
12 Ukrainian 13.72
13 Polish 14.12
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.55
15 Southwest_Russian 15.19
16 Estonian_Polish 16.09
17 Belorussian 16.18
18 Kargopol_Russian 18.85
19 Southwest_Finnish 18.96
20 Greek 18.99

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.1% Russian_Smolensk + 37.9% Tuscan @ 4.42
2 56.4% Bulgarian + 43.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.54
3 59.2% Russian_Smolensk + 40.8% Greek @ 4.68
4 64.7% Russian_Smolensk + 35.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.71
5 65.9% Russian_Smolensk + 34.1% West_Sicilian @ 4.75
6 61.2% Bulgarian + 38.8% Estonian_Polish @ 4.79
7 61.5% Bulgarian + 38.5% Belorussian @ 5.02
8 71.1% Croatian + 28.9% Bulgarian @ 5.06
9 57.9% Bulgarian + 42.1% Polish @ 5.07
10 82.5% Croatian + 17.5% Greek @ 5.07
11 68.9% Russian_Smolensk + 31.1% South_Italian @ 5.09
12 60.3% Estonian_Polish + 39.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 5.14
13 57.7% Estonian_Polish + 42.3% Tuscan @ 5.14
14 60.4% Romanian + 39.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.19
15 60.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 39.5% Tuscan @ 5.23
16 60.7% Russian_Smolensk + 39.3% North_Italian @ 5.23
17 58.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 41.3% North_Italian @ 5.25
18 58.2% Polish + 41.8% Greek @ 5.26
19 54.6% Estonian_Polish + 45.4% Greek @ 5.27
20 87.2% Croatian + 12.8% West_Sicilian @ 5.29

[meiliren]

Alpines and Meds.

Best fit in ex-Yugo.