Classify three Albanian national football team members

[CommonSense]

1. Berat Djimsiti

https://tmssl.akamaized.net/images/portrait/originals/165513-1449508577.jpg

https://www.thefinalball.com/img/jogadores/70/281970_ori_berat_djimsiti.jpg

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/djimsiti-berat-during-the-serie-a-football-match-between-juventus-fc-picture-id870569036?s=612x612

http://www.bergamonews.it/photogallery_new/images/2016/01/berat-djimsiti-529707.660x368.jpg


2. Eros Grezda

https://media.rangers.co.uk/uploads/2018/09/150918_dundee_grezda_108.jpg

https://media.rangers.co.uk/uploads/2018/09/110918_training_grezda_08.gif

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1pnxMsVwMYY/maxresdefault.jpg

https://www.syri.tv/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/pp-1.jpg

3. Myrto Uzuni

http://www.panorama.com.al/sport/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/myrto-uzuni.jpg

https://minuta90.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Sequence-02.00_59_32_13.Still002-658x370.jpg

https://eltoncela.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/myrto.jpg

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/myrto-uzuni-of-albania-during-uefa-nations-league-c-group-1-match-picture-id1052144364

[Coolguy1]

Last two look North African or something

[Dick]

1. Keltic nordid
2. Atlanto-alpine
2. Noric

[Vojnik]

I don't know the Albanian national team. But did you post the most North African looking ones? :P

[Vojnik]

Eros Looks French Berber.

[Pribislav]

They looks like Berbers.

[Aspirin]

1. Keltic nordid
2. Atlanto-alpine
2. Noric

:confused:

[CommonSense]

I don't know the Albanian national team. But did you post the most North African looking ones? :P

More Albanian NT members:

Thomas Strakosha:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HcMUT5bPBKo/Wywv-g0wMJI/AAAAAAAAd8o/ZNQSQZyJQsIkT8KrB5gwOjI5TcG9jxo5QCLcBGAs/s640/Untitled.jpg

Elseid Hysaj:

https://tmssl.akamaized.net/images/portrait/originals/200056-1448529186.jpg

Herdi Prenga:

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Herdi+Prenga+Scotland+vs+Albania+UEFA+Nations+G1az pAuXg3Jl.jpg

Kastriot Dermaku:

https://tmssl.akamaized.net/images/portrait/originals/163647-1449071230.jpg

Sabien Lilaj:

https://tmssl.akamaized.net/images/portrait/originals/99108-1476447203.png

Emanuele Ndoj:

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/J36Y4C/italian-league-serie-b-2016-2017-brescia-calcio-emanuele-ndoj-J36Y4C.jpg

Rey Manaj:

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/J36X5D/italian-league-serie-a-2016-2017-delfino-pescara-calcio-1936-rey-aldo-J36X5D.jpg

Egli Kaja:

https://www.afcwimbledon.co.uk/api/image/cropandgreyscale/21c494f3-805a-4af8-a78e-82b80c864430/?preset=player&greyscale=false

[Cristiano viejo]

I don't know the Albanian national team. But did you post the most North African looking ones? :P

Here you have, enjoy
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?223469-differences-between-spanish-and-albanian-national-football-teams

[CommonSense]

Here you have, enjoy
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?223469-differences-between-spanish-and-albanian-national-football-teams

Their National team just keeps getting woggier and woggier, lol :D

[Jana]

Eros Grezda could be part Gypsy. Myrto Uzuni looks Saharid influenced!

[CommonSense]

Eros Grezda could be part Gypsy. Myrto Uzuni looks Saharid influenced!

He's from Kosovo, all the Albanian-Gypsy mixes from that region simply identify as Ashkali.

[Skerdilaid]

He's from Kosovo, all the Albanian-Gypsy mixes from that region simply identify as Ashkali.

Not correct. Ashkali in most part actually seem to be some type of Serbian gypsies (judging genetically) who speak Albanian now days. Hence why I also think good part of them moved out with serbs and migrated to Serbia after the last war.

[CommonSense]

Not correct. Ashkali in most part actually seem to be some type of Serbian gypsies (judging genetically) who speak Albanian now days. Hence why I also think good part of them moved out with serbs and migrated to Serbia after the last war.

They migrated to Serbia because we were on the same side of the conflict, simple as that. The Ashkali's Euro component is clearly Albanian, which is evident by their phenotypes:

https://i1.wp.com/www.stoneworksinternational.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2.jpg

https://i0.wp.com/farm1.static.flickr.com/40/117561434_a6f2a8a5f2.jpg

http://pink-rs.com/media/image/portal-media-e2907793-7432-89ee-c87e-6a2110c8c78b/720

https://telegrafi.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/veton.jpg

[Hulu]

They migrated to Serbia because we were on the same side of the conflict, simple as that. The Ashkali's Euro component is clearly Albanian, which is evident by their phenotypes:



Doesnt make sense Common sense. They are on the same side cause they partly serbian, that's why they migrated to serbia. Anyway, why are serbs so interested in dark albanians

[CommonSense]

Doesnt make sense Common sense. They are on the same side cause they partly serbian, that's why they migrated to serbia. Anyway, why are serbs so interested in dark albanians

Gorani also migrated to Serbia after the war, even though they are genetically and lingustically closer to Macedonians than to us. You wanted to chase out every single non-Albanian ethnicity out of Kosovo, even Circassians, the only obvious choice for those poor sods was to side with Serbs.
We have always been christians, while you and the Ashkali were muslims. They aren't going to mix with us, but with their islamic 'brothers'.

[Hulu]

Gorani also migrated to Serbia after the war, even though they are genetically and lingustically closer to Macedonians than to us. You wanted to chase out every single non-Albanian ethnicity out of Kosovo, even Circassians, the only obvious choice for those poor sods was to side with Serbs.
We have always been christians, while you and the Ashkali were muslims. They aren't going to mix with us, but with their islamic 'brothers'.

That's wishful thinking, look at Mortimer. Albanians dont marry by religion but by blood, you should know that by now. You turned out pretty nasty by the way, I've seen serbs spouting this nonsense since forever, nothing new.

[Czechen]

In 1990, an "Egyptian association" was formed in Ohrid, Macedonia. During the Kosovo War, Albanized Roma were displaced as refugees in Albania and the Republic of Macedonia. Many Ashkali fought in the Kosovo Liberation Army. Albanized Roma formed the ethnic group Ashkali after the end of the war in 1999, to show their pro-Albanian stance and distinguish themselves from the Roma, who had been mistakenly viewed as pro-Serbian during the war. Many Albanized Roma were also sent to refugee camps with other Roma, with whom they did not share the same language and customs.[9] As the majority of Kosovo (or Albanized) Roma, many Ashkali refugees settled in Serbia and Montenegro. The first Ashkali party (Democratic Party of the Ashkali Albanians of Kosovo) was formed in 2000 under Sabit Rrahmani, who supported Kosovo independence in the name of all Ashkali.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkali_and_Balkan_Egyptians

They speak Albanian
They're Muslim
They live among Albanians
Define themselves as Albanian and support Albanians


Conclusion: They're obviously an Albanian-Egyptian/Roma mix.


I don't understand this obsession with proving no Egyptian/Roma admixed Albanians. Nowadays, there is high mixing between these communities and Albanians. As there is high mixing between the Roma and their host populations all over Europe. Days of arranged marriages are over.

[CommonSense]

That's wishful thinking, look at Mortimer.

Mortimer's Gypsy ancestors are from Banat, not Kosovo and they were orthodox christians.


Albanians dont marry by religion but by blood, you should know that by now

Of course I know that, that's why the Sanjak muslims are a mix of Gheg Albanians, Montenegrin Serbs and Turks :picard2: Do you know what those three groups had in common?

[Hulu]

Mortimer's Gypsy ancestors are from Banat, not Kosovo and they were orthodox christians.



Of course I know that, that's why the Sanjak muslims are a mix of Gheg Albanians, Montenegrin Serbs and Turks :picard2: Do you know what those three groups had in common?

That's why they are not Albanians but Sanjak muslims. Serbs also mixed with muslim gyspsies not just orthodox like Mortimer, Marija Serifovic, christian name, muslim last name

https://www.kurir.rs/data/images/2017/11/16/09/1328225_196565-marijaserifovic-ff_ls.jpg

https://www.google.com/search?q=marija+serifovic&client=firefox-b-1-ab&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiKs-aUtaTeAhVE8IMKHaq7BQcQ_AUIECgD&biw=917&bih=497

[CommonSense]

That's why they are not Albanians but Sanjak muslims.

Bingo! And that's why the offspring of Albanians who mixed with muslim Gypsies today call themselves Ashkali.

[Hulu]

Bingo! And that's why the offspring of Albanians who mixed with muslim Gypsies today call themselves Ashkali.

Serb?
https://www.kurir.rs/data/images/2017/11/16/09/1328225_196565-marijaserifovic-ff_ls.jpg

[Jana]

There is no Egyptian blood in Ashkali, it's just their wishful thinking. I seen DNA study that confirmed that they are simply Gypsies for the most part.

[CommonSense]

Serb?
https://www.kurir.rs/data/images/2017/11/16/09/1328225_196565-marijaserifovic-ff_ls.jpg

She is a product of 20th century interracial and interreligious mixing. The only reason she identifies as Serbian is because she has no idea who or what she is. In Serbia today even pure hindu-looking Gypsies strive to identify as one of us. It's the same thing in Romania and Bulgaria. Albanian lands are different in that regard because the Gypsies/Ashkalis there aren't assimilated or integrated into society.

[Skerdilaid]

They migrated to Serbia because we were on the same side of the conflict, simple as that. The Ashkali's Euro component is clearly Albanian, which is evident by their phenotypes:
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You’re obviously retarded. Have you actually seen Serbs from Serbia? I have seen few of their autosomal and ydna results. One of them is CTS10228 and the other who looks like L241 (not in any Albanian cluster) on top of his East Asian component he also scored over 20% east euro.

I also know one Ashkali is on the sanxhak project and he too is CTS10228.

[CommonSense]

You’re obviously retarded. Have you actually seen Serbs from Serbia? I have seen few of their autosomal and ydna results. One of them is CTS10228 and the other who looks like L241 (not in any Albanian cluster) on top of his East Asian component he also scored over 20% east euro.

I also know one Ashkali is on the sanxhak project and he too is CTS10228.

Yes, they don't look like Serbs from Belgrade, Banat, Backa, Srem, Nis or Sumadija. They look like Albanians mixed with Indians, which is what they essentially are. You are free to post the gedmatch kits so we can see where they cluster.

[Skerdilaid]

So two CTS10228 and one L241 who possibly is on some Serbian cluster. More Slavic than you my G2a nigga ;)

[CommonSense]

So two CTS10228 and one L241 who possibly is on some Serbian cluster. More Slavic than you my G2a nigga ;)

And how many Ashkali results have you seen? Tell me, how would it make sense that they in particular have so much I-CTS10228, when all across the Balkans the Gypsies' most common haplogroup is H1, followed by none other than E-V13?

https://i.imgur.com/z8C7hAb.png

Who are you trying to fool, lmao? xD

[Skerdilaid]

And how many Ashkali results have you seen? Tell me, how would it make sense that they in particular have so much I-CTS10228, when all across the Balkans the Gypsies' most common haplogroup is H1, followed by none other than E-V13?

https://i.imgur.com/z8C7hAb.png

Who are you trying to fool, lmao? xD

You were the one suggesting Ashkali are Albanian gypsies. I basically just pointed out to you that the three tested thus far seems like Serbs to me or at least related to the south slavs more than they are to Albanians.

Two CTS10228 and V13 who doesn’t belong to any of our clusters and scores high east euro on Family Finder. Make of it what you wish, moron.

[Czechen]

There has not been any studies on Ashkali in Kosova. Picking and choosing random gypsy samples across former Yugoslavia in the way this perplexed individual above me with inferiority complexes does, does not prove one way or another. Nor all of your amateurs interpretations of Y-DNA and their significance to history. This perplexed individual above me has a tendency to manipulate data and I wouldn't take anything he says as a fact.

Facts are:

They identify as Albanian
They support Albanians
They speak Albanian
They look Albanian(mixed ofcourse)

Everything else is retardation.

The Ashkali specifically don't identify as Gypsies(Roma). THere may be Roma that may identify as Ashkali because of political reasons. However, Ashkali are a separate group with a unique and separate history to the Gypsies(Roma). Whether they are or are not Gypsy admixed is a discussion that needs to be had with serious genetic studies. Not from amateurish villagers.

[Czechen]

Berat Cerimi Pse Ashkali dhe jo Egjipjan - Berat Cerimi "Why Ashkali and not Egyptian"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZcEOz23T0U

[Kelmendasi]

Yes, they don't look like Serbs from Belgrade, Banat, Backa, Srem, Nis or Sumadija. They look like Albanians mixed with Indians, which is what they essentially are. You are free to post the gedmatch kits so we can see where they cluster.
Saying that their Euro component is Albanian is incorrect. Many have Slavic(probably Serb) paternal origin

[Kelmendasi]

Here you have, enjoy
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?223469-differences-between-spanish-and-albanian-national-football-teams
You got some info wrong on there Viejo. Balliu is paternally Albanian so he isn't ethnically a Spaniard, only his mother is Spanish, to me he looks more Albanian. The lightest Albanian player is Bekim Balaj, he's lighter than Balliu by far. You didn't include him.

[Kelmendasi]

Gorani also migrated to Serbia after the war, even though they are genetically and lingustically closer to Macedonians than to us. You wanted to chase out every single non-Albanian ethnicity out of Kosovo, even Circassians, the only obvious choice for those poor sods was to side with Serbs.
We have always been christians, while you and the Ashkali were muslims. They aren't going to mix with us, but with their islamic 'brothers'.
Albanians don't go by religion. It's seen as taboo to marry a gypsy regardless of faith.

[Kelmendasi]

And how many Ashkali results have you seen? Tell me, how would it make sense that they in particular have so much I-CTS10228, when all across the Balkans the Gypsies' most common haplogroup is H1, followed by none other than E-V13?

[mg]https://i.imgur.com/z8C7hAb.png[/img]

Who are you trying to fool, lmao? xD
It's the Gypsies of Vojvodina that have the highest E-V13 out of all Roma, Albanians had no presence there. It's definitely from another source, probably E-V13 carrying Serbs or some other group. Ashkal are H1-M82 for the most part like the Roma.

[Kelmendasi]

Eros Grezda could be part Gypsy. Myrto Uzuni looks Saharid influenced!
Uzuni defintely is Roma or part Roma

[Cristiano viejo]

You got some info wrong on there Viejo. Balliu is paternally Albanian so he isn't ethnically a Spaniard, only his mother is Spanish, to me he looks more Albanian. The lightest Albanian player is Bekim Balaj, he's lighter than Balliu by far. You didn't include him.

Stop inventing things, Balliu is a very old Catalan surname that the Albanian federation has taken advantage to nationalize him due in Albania it exists another identical surname. I already proved this here https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?222705-SPANISH-SURNAME-BALLIU

The such Bekim Balaj did not play the game, that is why I did not include him :picard1: I have had to search who this such Balaj is, and saying he is lighter by far is ridicolous

Iván Balliu
http://www.footballtop.com/sites/default/files/styles/player_full/public/photos/players/1_188.jpg?itok=sUr-ptXz

Bekim Balaj
https://tmssl.akamaized.net/images/portrait/originals/99137-1465376453.jpg

they are quite similar in skin colour, colour of eyes and hair.

[Kelmendasi]

Stop inventing things, Balliu is a very old Catalan surname that the Albanian federation has taken advantage to nationalize him due in Albania it exists another identical surname. I already proved this here https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?222705-SPANISH-SURNAME-BALLIU

The such Bekim Balaj did not play the game, that is why I did not include him :picard1: I have had to search who this such Balaj is, and saying he is lighter by far is ridicolous

Iván Balliu
http://www.footballtop.com/sites/default/files/styles/player_full/public/photos/players/1_188.jpg?itok=sUr-ptXz

Bekim Balaj
https://tmssl.akamaized.net/images/portrait/originals/99137-1465376453.jpg

they are quite similar in skin colour, colour of eyes and hair.
Cope, even your wiki pages show that he has Albanian paternal origin "Tras obtener la nacionalidad albanesa (al descubrirse su ascendencia albanesa por vía paterna)" https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Balliu. To obtain Albanian nationality you need to have Albanian ancestry or be married to one .Even if he is Spanish, he looks Albanian. Sure, though he's still on the national team. Balliu has lighter brown hair whilst Balaj is blond, Balaj has lighter eyes as well and passes as northern European.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/albanias-forward-bekim-balaj-holds-a-press-conference-at-the-teams-picture-id540920674?s=612x612

[Cristiano viejo]

Cope, even your wiki pages show that he has Albanian paternal origin "Tras obtener la nacionalidad albanesa (al descubrirse su ascendencia albanesa por vía paterna)" https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Balliu. To obtain Albanian nationality you need to have Albanian ancestry or be married to one .Even if he is Spanish, he looks Albanian. Sure, though he's still on the national team.
Pufff, I dont care what Wikipedia, the Albanian federation or the own Balliu say (by own interests, obviously). Balliu is a Catalan surname from the same area where this guy comes, and there are records of this since the XV century. Stop stealing our surnames, this is not Kosovo.


Balliu has lighter brown hair whilst Balaj is blond, Balaj has lighter eyes as well and passes as northern European.

So does Iván Balliu, who has not light brown eyes but blond.

[Kelmendasi]

Pufff, I dont care what Wikipedia, the Albanian federation or the own Balliu say (by own interests, obviously). Balliu is a Catalan surname from the same area where this guy comes, and there are records of this since the XV century. Stop stealing our surnames, this is not Kosovo.


So does Iván Balliu, who has not light brown eyes but blond.
Again cope. "Stop stealing our surnames" xD, yh right. Balliu clearly has light brown hair, not blond. He does look very Albanian, I must say.

https://cdn-s-www.republicain-lorrain.fr/images/54B6365A-00D0-412F-B000-50364147A4EC/LRL_v0_13b/ivan-balliu-defenseur-photo-pascal-brocard-1521030669.jpg

https://tmssl.akamaized.net/images/portrait/originals/85295-1497957273.jpg

http://telesport.al/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Ivan-Balliu-do-t---jet-----8220-anti-Neymar--8221---Ka-pak-sekrete-p--r-ta-ndaluar-at--_TS_08-09-17_3026906880_.jpg

The hair is clearly light brown.

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes, I forgot the stupidity of "he looks Albanian" xD as if Albanians were known for being blonde with blue eyes xD

[Kelmendasi]

Yes, I forgot the stupidity of "he looks Albanian" xD as if Albanians were known for being blonde with blue eyes xD
He looks Albanian. If he does he does, nothing you can do about it. Sure not known as being blond but his look is still common. It's stupid to say that his look is uncommon because Albanians aren't predominantly blond. I know what Albanians look like better than you do, and he passes typically

[Cleitus]

Cherry picking

[Cristiano viejo]

He looks Albanian. If he does he does, nothing you can do about it. Sure not known as being blond but his look is still common.

He does not and he has nothing to do with Albanians, live with it.
Now go to nationalize other guys around the world. Check all the surnames of other countries to see if you have the luck they are identical and vuola, you already have new "Albanians" xD

[Kelmendasi]

He does not and he has nothing to do with Albanians, live with it.
Now go to nationalize other guys around the world. Check all the surnames of other countries to see if you have the luck they are identical and vuola, you already have new "Albanians" xD
Lol so you're going to tell me what Albanians look like xD. Not my fault your fellow "Spaniard" passes better as an Albanian xD. I don't have interests in those thing, but whatever. Only speaking the truth, he looks like an Albanian.

[Cristiano viejo]

Lol so you're going to tell me what Albanians look like xD. Not my fault your fellow "Spaniard" passes better as an Albanian xD. I don't have interests in those thing, but whatever. Only speaking the truth, he looks like an Albanian.
Yes, specially when you steal Spaniards to do it :thumb001:

[Kelmendasi]

Yes, specially when you steal Spaniards to do it :thumb001:
Oooh poor Spaniard xD. Get lost Viejo

[Cristiano viejo]

Oooh poor Spaniard xD. Get lost Viejo

It was you who quoted me, and plus to say a Spaniard looks Albanian jeje!!
Get lost yourself.

[Kelmendasi]

It was you who quoted me, and plus to say a Spaniard looks Albanian jeje!!
Get lost yourself.
But he does jejejeje.

[Cristiano viejo]

But he does jejejeje.

No, Spaniards dont look Albanian :thumb001:
I know you wish, specially the lightest :laugh: but that does not happen :)

[Kelmendasi]

No, Spaniards dont look Albanian :thumb001:
I know you wish, specially the lightest :laugh: but that does not happen :)
Course, whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Kelmendasi]

Trying to tell me that this face doesn't look Albanian xD

http://telesport.al/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Ivan-Balliu-do-t---jet-----8220-anti-Neymar--8221---Ka-pak-sekrete-p--r-ta-ndaluar-at--_TS_08-09-17_3026906880_.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

Trying to tell me that this face doesn't look Albanian xD


Of course does not look, since it is a Spanish face, and Spanish faces have nothing to do with Albanian ones... unless you claim it looks Albanian because he gets two ears, two eyes and one nose.

Genealogy and blood are not your friends, and this is not Kosovo, sorry.

[Kelmendasi]

Of course does not look, since it is a Spanish face, and Spanish faces have nothing to do with Albanian ones... unless you claim it looks Albanian because he gets two ears, two eyes and one nose.

Genealogy and blood are not your friends, and this is not Kosovo, sorry.
Yh yh

[Pandur]

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