Classify this guy and where can he pass?

[Kivan]

http://media.sinematurk.com/person/e/b8/3b6e9a036d35/cc98465frt0ret.jpg
http://www.dizisi.gen.tr/resimler/CRMGIjfp2Tr61S4emNZX-0.jpg
http://www.tatenlos.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Tar%C4%B1k-%C3%9Cnd%C3%BCz-Ferhat.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d6/02/81/d602816fb637781ad63a3b947d2303b1.jpg
http://gzone.com.tr/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/tarik-unduz.jpg
https://www.filmi.info.tr/usr/image/artist/3114.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/txT1IlKHHnQ/hqdefault.jpg

[indo-uralopean]

Iranian/Persian shifted.

[xtal]

Pontid. I know he is turkish so i am not going to guess or say where he can pass.

[Kivan]

Iranian/Persian shifted.

No.

[The Blade]

Iranid + CM. Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan.

[xtal]

Iranid + CM. Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan.Iranid?

[The Blade]

Iranid?
To me yes. Forehead is narrower than Pontid one and nose seems to fit also.
He's more robust than Pontids, too.

[xtal]

To me yes. Forehead is narrower than Pontid one and nose seems to fit also.
He's more robust than Pontids, too.Yea he definitely lookes like these lolhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181027/4ab6d0860761cd03472eadbd69657861.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181027/a67b128e95a4dec538968a0e31b625b0.jpg

[Kivan]

Yea he definitely lookes like these lol
LOL No at all.

[xtal]

LOL No at all.It's called sarcasm

[Papastratosels26]

Pontid

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[MysteriousWays]

Between Pontid & East Med, with minor CM. Passes best in Turkey, but also passes in Iran fine. Can pass as any of the major types of Jews too.

[Kivan]

up.

[kiko]

Pontid + CM

[Zroota]

Proto-Iranid.

He doesn't have to look like those stereotypical, textbook figures in order to be Iranid. He clearly seems Orientalid/Iranian shifted and would pass well in Iran, parts of Turkey and even Afghanistan as a Pashtun. Not so much in Greece, Cyprus and the likes.

[Hadouken]

Yea he definitely lookes like these lolhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181027/4ab6d0860761cd03472eadbd69657861.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181027/a67b128e95a4dec538968a0e31b625b0.jpg

as I said these kind of people you dont find anywhere in turkey . not among us kurds either lol

but they are probably just bad examples of iranid I guess

[xtal]

as I said these kind of people you dont find anywhere in turkey . not among us kurds either lol

but they are probably just bad examples of iranid I guessI was being sarcastic! I classified him pontid before, there's nothing iranid about him!

[Hadouken]

I was being sarcastic! I classified him pontid before, there's nothing iranid about him!

I know that you are sarcastic . I just mean that those plates look foreign for my kurdish eyes too

[Kivan]

Proto-Iranid.

He doesn't have to look like those stereotypical, textbook figures in order to be Iranid. He clearly seems Orientalid/Iranian shifted and would pass well in Iran, parts of Turkey and even Afghanistan as a Pashtun. Not so much in Greece, Cyprus and the likes.

Nothing Orientalid or Iranid about him. And i never seen an Iranian(much less Afghan or Paki) like him in my life.

To me he is just Pontid/Med with Cromagnid.

I am really surprised with some classifications...

[Hadouken]

Nothing Orientalid or Iranid about him. And i never seen an Iranian(much less Afghan or Paki) like him in my life.

To me he is just Pontid/Med with Cromagnid.

I am really surprised with some classifications...

it seems you have a wrong image of what iranians look . they dont look like ahmadinejad or something lol

but I also dont see this guy as iranian . he looks EXTREMELY turkish imo and doesnt pass outside of turkey except maybe as karachay etc

[xtal]

Nothing Orientalid or Iranid about him. And i never seen an Iranian(much less Afghan or Paki) like him in my life.

To me he is just Pontid/Med with Cromagnid.

I am really surprised with some classifications...He just seems to have an obsession with iranid pheno and assumes every west asian is iranid! How unfortunate

[Seth MacFarlane]

I know that you are sarcastic . I just mean that those plates look foreign for my kurdish eyes too

yea i think those might be bad examples , those ppl in the plates look almost indian lol

[Hadouken]

yea i think those might be bad examples , those ppl in the plates look almost indian lol

no I dont think they look indian

[Kivan]

it seems you have a wrong image of what iranians look . they dont look like ahmadinejad or something lol


I know but I have seen a thread that you created about them, and i also googled plenty of crowd/group photos of Iranians, and i didn't see one single person like the guy in the OP...


but I also dont see this guy as iranian . he looks EXTREMELY turkish imo and doesnt pass outside of turkey except maybe as karachay etc
His facial structure looks pretty much like mine.

[Hadouken]

I know but I have seen a thread that you created about them, and i also googled plenty of crowd/group photos of Iranians, and i didn't see one single person like the guy in the OP...


His facial structure looks pretty much like mine.

no you pass in more countries than him . he fits only as turkey turk and some caucasus ethnicities like karachay imo

[Mingle]

it seems you have a wrong image of what iranians look . they dont look like ahmadinejad or something lol

but I also dont see this guy as iranian . he looks EXTREMELY turkish imo and doesnt pass outside of turkey except maybe as karachay etc

I think he could probably pass in South Europe too. He reminded me a bit of the footballer Kaka in the first three pics.

[Seth MacFarlane]

not sure how to classify him , in a way he looks like a Eastern shifted atlanto med . he looks very turkish but theres some persians with this phenotype even if its not iranid

[Zroota]

Nothing Orientalid or Iranid about him. And i never seen an Iranian(much less Afghan or Paki) like him in my life.

To me he is just Pontid/Med with Cromagnid.

I am really surprised with some classifications...
There is something uniquely West Asian about him. I can see how he cannot be a textbook Iranid. But I guess it came the closest. I just don't see him as a Pontid. Maybe he's a good old Cappadocian Med - Which it escaped my mind.

Maybe if the term "east med" existed and were legit, I would have classified him as that too.

P.S. I have seen a few Pashtun men with that look, honestly. Not all Pashtuns look South Asian.

[Kivan]

There is something uniquely West Asian about him. I can see how he cannot be a textbook Iranid. But I guess it came the closest. I just don't see him as a Pontid. Maybe he's a good old Cappadocian Med - Which it escaped my mind.

Maybe if the term "east med" existed and were legit, I would have classified him as that too.
If i change or hide his ethnicity i really doubt everyone here would classify him as Iranid. He looks Eastern-shifted but he passes as Karachay, Balkar, Abkhasian, etc rather than Afghan, Iranian or Paki.


P.S. I have seen a few Pashtun men with that look, honestly. Not all Pashtuns look South Asian.
Sure, and I have seen Turks who look Swedish and Norwergian as well...

[xtal]

^ agreed. He passes better in Caucasus and Turkey or even Greece. No way in hell he can pass in Pakistan or Afghanistan

[Seth MacFarlane]

There is something uniquely West Asian about him. I can see how he cannot be a textbook Iranid. But I guess it came the closest. I just don't see him as a Pontid. Maybe he's a good old Cappadocian Med - Which it escaped my mind.

Maybe if the term "east med" existed and were legit, I would have classified him as that too.

P.S. I have seen a few Pashtun men with that look, honestly. Not all Pashtuns look South Asian.

yea i also think cappadocian med

[Fibonacci]

Yea he definitely lookes like these lolhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181027/4ab6d0860761cd03472eadbd69657861.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181027/a67b128e95a4dec538968a0e31b625b0.jpg

You'd actually be surprised, this guy looks more Iranian than me buddy. He can pass in Iran. I also wouldn't say he's an Iranid but there are similarities

[xtal]

You'd actually be surprised, this guy looks more Iranian than me buddy. He can pass in Iran. I also wouldn't say he's a pure Iranid.I am not saying he can't pass in Iran.

[Kivan]

You'd actually be surprised, this guy looks more Iranian than me buddy. He can pass in Iran. I also wouldn't say he's an Iranid but there are similarities

And this is a typical Iranian woman according to yourself:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181018/457b652eb5bbdd3c9fdef6c8f69e0351.jpg

[Zroota]

Sure, and I have seen Turks who look Swedish and Norwergian as well...
It's not about Turks looking like Swedes or Japanese.

This guy just wouldn't be out of place as a Pashtun for me. And that's that. You make a thread, you should expect a myriad of opinions and sentiments on things. We may agree in some regards, but in others we just won't and we can perceive things rather differently.

If I said "he looks Serbian or Spanish", we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. This board is extremely antagonistic towards eastern-shifted classifications and ethnicities. It's pretty tragic.

[Kivan]

It's not about Turks looking like Swedes or Japanese.

This guy just wouldn't be out of place as a Pashtun for me. And that's that. You make a thread, you should expect a myriad of opinions and sentiments on things. We may agree in some regards, but in others we just won't and we can perceive things rather differently.


You gave your opinion and I gave mine. There is no need of getting upset and write wall-texts to prove your point.

I simply googled crowd photos from Pakistan and they looked worlds apart from the OP, simple as that. If you disagree, patience.

[Mingle]

It's not about Turks looking like Swedes or Japanese.

This guy just wouldn't be out of place as a Pashtun for me. And that's that. You make a thread, you should expect a myriad of opinions and sentiments on things. We may agree in some regards, but in others we just won't and we can perceive things rather differently.

If I said "he looks Serbian or Spanish", we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. This board is extremely antagonistic towards eastern-shifted classifications and ethnicities. It's pretty tragic.Bro, he doesn't look Pashtun. I don't remember ever seeing a Pashtun that looks like him. When I first saw him, I thought he was Iberian or something. Though I do agree there is a general anti-eastern/southern bias, this wouldn't be one of those cases.

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[Zroota]

You gave your opinion and I gave mine. There is no need of getting upset and write wall-texts to prove your point.

I simply googled crowd photos from Pakistan and they looked worlds apart from the OP, simple as that. If you disagree, patience.
My post was a nod to others as well, not you. I can write it in any way I want to. It's just my writing style? And there is no point to prove, he just looks the way I perceived him to be. This is pretty subjective. But yes, we have to agree to disagree.

By the way, I wasn't talking about Pakistani people in general (who vary in ethnic groups). Look up Pashtuns. They're a specific ethnic group that are found in Afghanistan and also Pakistan. If you just search "Pakistani people", you'll get group photos of many ethnic groups found in the region.


Bro, he doesn't look Pashtun. I don't remember ever seeing a Pashtun that looks like him. When I first saw him, I thought he was Iberian or something. Though I do agree there is a general anti-eastern/southern bias, this wouldn't be one of those cases.

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I'm not saying he is typical Pashtun looking. But my main point was that, he wouldn't be out of place further in the east. But somehow it's a crime to say this, and west Asians must only pass in Greece and beyond. But never in Iran and the surrounds. :confused: I will never understand this mindset.

I do see a Iberian vibe to him as well tbh.

[Fibonacci]

And this is a typical Iranian woman according to yourself:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181018/457b652eb5bbdd3c9fdef6c8f69e0351.jpg

Depigmented Iranian alpine. I've seen women just like her without the depigmentation. Shes Iranian either way, born in Iran and will die in Iran. What's your point?

[lameduck]

If i change or hide his ethnicity i really doubt everyone here would classify him as Iranid. He looks Eastern-shifted but he passes as Karachay, Balkar, Abkhasian, etc rather than Afghan, Iranian or Paki.


Sure, and I have seen Turks who look Swedish and Norwergian as well...

google is not best way to judge about a population , since it take images from news and many unrelated pics also come in searches , these are authentic crowd pictures of Pashtuns from Pakistan. He has similarities to some Pashtuns obviously not all , atleast he doesnt look world's apart


http://i.dawn.com/large/2015/12/567eef9286ff0.jpg
https://i0.wp.com/khybernews.tv/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/parachinar-protest.jpg?fit=960%2C540&ssl=1
https://i.dawn.com/primary/2016/12/586433faefb36.jpg

Pashtun guy who kinda look like him

https://www.youlinmagazine.com/gallery/14-august/29.jpg

[Kivan]

google is not best way to judge about a population , since it take images from news and many unrelated pics also come in searches , these are authentic crowd pictures of Pashtuns from Pakistan. He has similarities to some Pashtuns obviously not all , atleast he doesnt look world's apart


I didn't see similarity with that people either. The majority of the people you posted look like lighter South Asians, Tajiks and Afghans, and the guy in last pic looks Iranian to me. And i still think, the best fit to him would be as Balkar, Karachay, Abhkazian, Circassian, etc.

Thanks for the input anyway.

[lameduck]

I didn't see similarity with that people either. The majority of the people you posted look like lighter South Asians, Tajiks and Afghans, and the guy in last pic looks Iranian to me. And i still think, the best fit to him would be as Balkar, Karachay, Abhkazian, Circassian, etc.

Thanks for the input anyway.

yeah I agree

[Fibonacci]

I didn't see similarity with that people either. The majority of the people you posted look like lighter South Asians, Tajiks and Afghans, and the guy in last pic looks Iranian to me. And i still think, the best fit to him would be as Balkar, Karachay, Abhkazian, Circassian, etc.

Thanks for the input anyway.

He's not an Iranid though. He has some overlapping features. In some pictures he looks half Iranid. For example, these Iranians also have overlapping features with Iranids and would probably be classified as one as well. I don't think the Iranid examples are that accurate.
http://imgur.com/Dh3jaqO.jpg
http://imgur.com/FJaG52X.jpg

[Kivan]

He's not an Iranid though. He has some overlapping features. In some pictures he looks half Iranid. For example, these Iranians also have overlapping features with Iranids and would probably be classified as one as well. I don't think the Iranid examples are that accurate.

He looks a bit(facial shape) like the guy in the right on the first photo. The others look pretty different to me. First guy looks Dinarid.

[Marmara]

It's true he has eastern, Iranic vibe, he probably has roots from Eastern Turkey.

[Kivan]

It's true he has eastern, Iranic vibe, he probably has roots from Eastern Turkey.

I don't really see Iranid in him. I wonder how he would be classified if i put his ethnicity as Spanish or Greek. xD

He is from Adana, if i'm not wrong.

[Marmara]

I don't really see Iranid in him. I wonder how he would be classified if i put his ethnicity as Spanish or Greek. xD

He is from Adana, if i'm not wrong.

His father is from Adana, his maternal grandfather is Gazanfer Özcan who was a big actor, from Istanbul.