Ethnic Greek man reported killed by Albanian police in shootout

[Papastratosels26]

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Albanian police reportedly shot and killed an ethnic Greek man on Sunday after he opened fire against officers taking down a Greek flag at a World War II cemetery in the village of Bularat, some 6 kilometers from Albania's border with Greece.

According to Albanian media reports the man, identified as 35-year-old Konstantinos Kacifa (Katsifas), opened fire against officers with a Kalashnikov assault rifle as they were taking down the flag he had raised at a cemetery for Greek soldiers who died in battle. The incident took place as the village, which is mostly ethnic Greek, marked the anniversary of Greece's entry into the war in 1940.

Kacifa reportedly ran into the village firing his weapon and then into the mountains in an effort to evade arrest but was intercepted shortly after by a team from the Albanian police's special forces, who claimed that the 35-year-old shot at them before they opened fire and killed him.

Kacifa, whose family hailed from the northwestern Greek town of Ioannina, was born and grew up in Bularat but had been living in Athens recently, according to reports. Photographs in Greek media show him dressed in military-style clothes, with a Greek flag patch on his arm.

Police confirmed his death in a shootout, according to the Associated Press.

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[Papastratosels26]

http://www.ekathimerini.com/234091/article/ekathimerini/news/ethnic-greek-man-reported-killed-by-albanian-police-in-shootout

[Ujku]

If you are stupid that's what you get . You cant be a hero alone you need an army to follow you .

[Kelmendasi]

If you are stupid that's what you get . You cant be a hero alone you need an army to follow you .
It was stupid. What was he thinking to open fire on armed policeman..

[Ujku]

It was stupid. What was he thinking to open fire on armed policeman..

He wanted his name to be remembered . He successed , he died for no reason at all.

What's funny is that Greeks claim that Albanians killed him because he was holding a Greek flag hahahahha

[Crn Volk]

https://youtu.be/go2IX8WHgBs

[DarknessWin]

He wanted his name to be remembered . He successed , he died for no reason at all.

What's funny is that Greeks claim that Albanians killed him because he was holding a Greek flag hahahahha

Albanian dogs would pay for this , many more Μ.Α.Β.Η. soldiers will follow now .
Freedom to North Epirus , fucking pussies you killed a Hero

You sent a whole army to kill 1 man , cowards

[Kelmendasi]

Albanian dogs would pay for this , many more Μ.Α.Β.Η. soldiers will follow now .
Freedom to North Epirus , fucking pussies you killed a Hero

You sent a whole army to kill 1 man , cowards
What are you on about? The guy opened fire on policemen because they were pulling down his flag, the police had every right to shoot him. Well duh that's how the police work, they don't send just one man, that's retarded. Lol at freedom for north Epirus, guess you still don't realise that Greeks are a minority even in that region

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

Greek lives matter.

[Incal]

In spanish is "policia" too.

[The Lawspeaker]

A litany of pure idiocy: the police should never have removed that flag, the daft fool should never have turned a gun on the police and they shouldn't have made him a martyr (some lead in the hip and a guarded hospital room would have done just nicely). Now the Albanian police made sure that their government is viewed by the whole village (and probably even the region if also majority Greek) as occupiers to be fought with lead (for desecrating their graves (by removing a flag) and killing a local and the fool himself as a martyr.

In the early 20th century, Marechaussees (military police) from Holland (how tone-deaf could one be !) were often posted in border regions in both South and East and they were considered bird free by a population that viewed them in much the same light - as they later viewed the Germans. I think the Albanian government may have made a very similar mistake here.... (judging from the police's tone deaf actions)

[Bobby Martnen]

A litany of pure idiocy: the police should never have removed that flag, the daft fool should never have turned a gun on the police and they shouldn't have made him a martyr (some lead in the hip and a guarded hospital room would have done just nicely). Now the Albanian police made sure that their government is viewed by the whole village (and probably even the region if also majority Greek) as occupiers to be fought with lead (for desecrating their graves (by removing a flag) and killing a local and the fool himself as a martyr.

In the early 20th century, Marechaussees (military police) from Holland (how tone-deaf could one be !) were often posted in border regions in both South and East and they were considered bird free by a population that viewed them in much the same light - as they later viewed the Germans. I think the Albanian government may have made a very similar mistake here.... (judging from the police's tone deaf actions)

Why do you have a German permission group if you're Dutch?

That would be like me using a Canadian permission group

[The Lawspeaker]

Why do you have a German permission group if you're Dutch?

That would be like me using a Canadian permission group

Why don't you focus on your own stuff and leave the intricacies of European ethnic identities to Europeans ? Keep your nose out.

[Georgia]

Very stupid way for someone to lose his life,sad,very sad because he was a young man,only 35 years old.

The Greek character of North Epirus has traditionally been very strong,the Greek army liberated 3 times this region,but since the Great Powers gave it to Albania,there is nothing we can do.

Unfortunately,fantasies kill.

[Kelmendasi]

Very stupid way for someone to lose his life,sad,very sad because he was a young man,only 35 years old.

The Greek character of North Epirus has traditionally been very strong,the Greek army liberated 3 times this region,but since the Great Powers gave it to Albania,there is nothing we can do.

Unfortunately,fantasies kill.
He could have avoided it very easily. The very south of Albania, or north Epirus, still has an Albanian majority and not a Greek one.

[Georgia]

He could have avoided it very easily. The very south of Albania, or north Epirus, still has an Albanian majority and not a Greek one.

In any case,we don’t live in 1940,the borders are what they are,and we should respect it,playing the war heroes in time of peace is pure idiocy.

[ShenGjergj]

Golden Gypsy came many times in Albania to commemorate their soldiers but never opened fires, and nothing happened to them so why this propaganda about being killed for a Greek flag. It's not true.

Well done RENEA special forces.

[Kelmendasi]

Reports seem to be saying that he was planning an attack on the Albanian police. He had sent messages to Rama on the 28th. He doesn’t seem so innocent

[catgeorge]

Typical Epirot highlander mad bastard. He is martyred now. Thanks!

[Crn Volk]

http://www.ekathimerini.com/234093/article/ekathimerini/news/protesters-gather-outside-albanian-embassy-in-athens-over-ethnic-greeks-killing

Protesters gather outside Albanian Embassy in Athens over ethnic Greek's killing

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Dozens of protesters gathered outside the Albanian Embassy in the northern Athens suburb of Filothei on Sunday evening to protest the killing earlier in the day of an ethnic Greek man in the village of Bularat, some 6 kilometers from Albania's border with Greece, earlier in the day.

Traffic was backed up on Kifissias Avenue due to the protest, which was organized via social media by Greek-Albanian groups and the far-right Golden Dawn party.

Konstantinos Kacifa (Katsifas in Greek), 35, was killed after reportedly opening fire against officers with a Kalashnikov assault rifle as they were taking down a Greek flag he had raised at a cemetery for Greek soldiers who died in battle. The incident took place as the village marked the anniversary of Greece's entry into the war in 1940.

The Greek Foreign Ministry issued a statement after Kacifa's killing was confirmed, calling on Albanian authorities to investigate the incident thoroughly.

Kacifa, whose family hailed from the northwestern Greek town of Ioannina, was born and grew up in Bularat but had been living in Athens recently, according to reports.

Photographs from social media show him dressed in military-style clothes, with a Greek flag patch on his arm. Reports have also suggested that he fostered extreme nationalist sympathies.

[ShenGjergj]

If Albanians would protests at Greek embassy for every ethnic Albanians killed in Greece, the greek embassy would have been burned 10 times already lol. He was an extremist and turned out being a terrorist nothing less nothing more.

[Ujku]

Albanian dogs would pay for this , many more Μ.Α.Β.Η. soldiers will follow now .
Freedom to North Epirus , fucking pussies you killed a Hero

You sent a whole army to kill 1 man , cowards

Listen to me morons , Police went there because they had a call of someone SHOOTING , it had nothing to do with the Greek flag.
That village was full with Greek flags , you can see it in the video . ENOUGH WITH YOUR FUCKING PROPAGANDA.

In that village Albanian and Greek officials gather each year to pay respect to the fallen ones of 1940.

Also about the army thing , there were sent only some special forces of the police which is the typical procedure for terrorism in every nation of the world .

[Queen B]

There is no-one fault but ours.
We should start doing to the same.
Kill any armed Albanian when in contact with police.We would have hundreds of deaths.And every excuse to do so.

[-Scar-]

There is no-one fault but ours.
We should start doing to the same.
Kill any armed Albanian when in contact with police.We would have hundreds of deaths.And every excuse to do so.
Greek policy have killed several Abanians. Many which had no criminal intentions.

[Queen B]

Greek policy have killed several Abanians. Many which had no criminal intentions.
Name some.

[-Scar-]

Name some.

http://shekulli.com.al/31930/

[Queen B]

http://shekulli.com.al/31930/
Name some.
Name and Surname so I can look this up. A link in Albanian , with only surname, is not something.

[DarknessWin]

What are you on about? The guy opened fire on policemen because they were pulling down his flag, the police had every right to shoot him. Well duh that's how the police work, they don't send just one man, that's retarded. Lol at freedom for north Epirus, guess you still don't realise that Greeks are a minority even in that region

Bla bla bla fucking clowns , you must pay for everything.
Its not just him we have thousand like him and especially Cretans which want to come
up there and fuck your ass

North Epirus is Greek lands and you know it.
You try to kill all minorities but your time is near

[DarknessWin]

A litany of pure idiocy: the police should never have removed that flag, the daft fool should never have turned a gun on the police and they shouldn't have made him a martyr (some lead in the hip and a guarded hospital room would have done just nicely). Now the Albanian police made sure that their government is viewed by the whole village (and probably even the region if also majority Greek) as occupiers to be fought with lead (for desecrating their graves (by removing a flag) and killing a local and the fool himself as a martyr.

In the early 20th century, Marechaussees (military police) from Holland (how tone-deaf could one be !) were often posted in border regions in both South and East and they were considered bird free by a population that viewed them in much the same light - as they later viewed the Germans. I think the Albanian government may have made a very similar mistake here.... (judging from the police's tone deaf actions)

Not martyr but Hero , Greece is in rage and they will get what they deserve .
They are lucky that we have Tsipras as president and he didnt go to war and fuck their bastard people

[DarknessWin]

Very stupid way for someone to lose his life,sad,very sad because he was a young man,only 35 years old.

The Greek character of North Epirus has traditionally been very strong,the Greek army liberated 3 times this region,but since the Great Powers gave it to Albania,there is nothing we can do.

Unfortunately,fantasies kill.

The 4th time would be the last , Μ.Α.Β.Η. are stronger than ever

[Marmara]

I love DarknessWin

[DarknessWin]

Listen to me morons , Police went there because they had a call of someone SHOOTING , it had nothing to do with the Greek flag.
That village was full with Greek flags , you can see it in the video . ENOUGH WITH YOUR FUCKING PROPAGANDA.

In that village Albanian and Greek officials gather each year to pay respect to the fallen ones of 1940.

Also about the army thing , there were sent only some special forces of the police which is the typical procedure for terrorism in every nation of the world .


Fuck you bastard , you are cowards . We liberated Epirus 3 times from your fucking people and great powers give it to you.
But you must respect the Greek minority

If you dont then we have laws for war again in the region.
Now its a time like this.
Greek army must invade North Epirus and take revenge for the Hero

[Vojnik]

Fucken retard Griks man. What does he expect will happen to him if he opens fire on law enforcement.

[DarknessWin]

Fucken retard Griks man. What does he expect will happen to him if he opens fire on law enforcement.

Too bad you have not heroes and brave mens like him to fought an army alone to support his flag.
He is a Hero martyr and we have another 1 reason now to invade Albania and liberate North Epirus for 4th time

[Vojnik]

Too bad you have not heroes and brave mens like him to fought an army alone to support his flag.
He is a Hero martyr and we have another 1 reason now to invade Albania and liberate North Epirus for 4th time


Bravery is not being a dumb fuck.

The problem is that you Griks worship your British east indian company flag way too much. Like it's a God. Very sick. How can you guys call yourself Christians when you worship your ethnicity more then God?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/British_East_India_Company_flag.svg

[Kelmendasi]

Bla bla bla fucking clowns , you must pay for everything.
Its not just him we have thousand like him and especially Cretans which want to come
up there and fuck your ass

North Epirus is Greek lands and you know it.
You try to kill all minorities but your time is near
Oh shut up you retard, and give up this hard man act. You are the only few people that I have seen glorifying acts of terrorism and considering it heroic. And yet you like to talk about honour. You are a minority in south Albania, sure a large minority in some areas, but still a minority. I don't understand how you can't get that through your head. We haven't tried to kill minorities, it's the Greek guys fault. He tried to kill policeman and got killed himself for trying.

[DarknessWin]

Bravery is not being a dumb fuck.

The problem is that you Griks worship your British east indian company flag way too much. Like it's a God. Very sick. How can you guys call yourself Christians when you worship your ethnicity more then God?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/British_East_India_Company_flag.svg


All european flags are similar one to another moron ,
most of them just have different colors

Maybe you mean also that Swedish flag is copy paste of Norwegian flag???
Or maybe Italian flag is copy paste of France flag ???


LOL idiots your propaganda is so funny.
Also the first Greek flag was this :

https://www.coconis.gr/images/thumbnails/480/250/detailed/2/e-shop_xiras.jpg?t=1522230628

[Kelmendasi]

Name some.
Name and Surname so I can look this up. A link in Albanian , with only surname, is not something.
How is it not? Anyways, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Gramoz_Palushi there is one. The guy was killed for celebrating an Albanian football victory. A lot more have been killed in Greece.

[Kelmendasi]

Fuck you bastard , you are cowards . We liberated Epirus 3 times from your fucking people and great powers give it to you.
But you must respect the Greek minority

If you dont then we have laws for war again in the region.
Now its a time like this.
Greek army must invade North Epirus and take revenge for the Hero
So by your dumb logic the police should've let the man kill them? Come on now, stop being a fool

[Queen B]

How is it not? Anyways, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Gramoz_Palushi there is one. The guy was killed for celebrating an Albanian football victory. A lot more have been killed in Greece.
It is not because I can wrote random surnames myself, and claim stuff. Give name+surnames so the info can be cross-checked.

This guy was not killed by the police :picard2:

[Aspar]

That's what you get for being stupid...

[Tomorr]

Shame on Greece for not condemning a Greek citizen for his violent acts and write fake news about how the Albanian police killed him for raising the Greek flag, even though the Greek minister of education Myrsini Zorba reported that everything went well and that there were Greek flags and Albanian officials present. Our dear neighbors to the south are mad and proving that we can’t have normal relations with them.

[Papastratosels26]

So sad posts here....

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[Vojnik]

So sad posts here....

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You think the gunman was a hero?

[Papastratosels26]

You think the gunman was a hero?1 human being died respect his memory and don't mock him. This post goes to all.

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[Vojnik]

1 human being died respect his memory and don't mock him. This post goes to all.

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Respect the memory of a guman who wanted to shoot people over a flag incident? No thanks.

If this guy was Macedonian, i'd condemn it the same way.

[Papastratosels26]

Respect the memory of a guman who wanted to shoot people over a flag incident? No thanks.

If this guy was Macedonian, i'd condemn it the same way.That's the Balkan Mentality.. I wanna throw up...

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[Queen B]

Respect the memory of a guman who wanted to shoot people over a flag incident? No thanks.
If this guy was Macedonian, i'd condemn it the same way.
I'm with you. Let's say someone firing towards police , would result to be (fairly) shot because he is dangerous.

I just have some questions, because the story doesn't really make sense;

(1)
He actually did shot toweards people ? The first reports were that he shot in the air and then the story changed, that he shot towards the police. They should decide what fits their story better for the start.
(2)
How come special forces, and helicopter came ''so fast''? Let's say that this incident was soooo dangerous and soooo important to require special forces (!) and an helicopter (!), how come no camera and live news/footage was involved?

[Dorian]

Don't worry brother,your day will come.... http://www.egrafis.com/images/kosovo-declares-independence-slide-7-ny-daily-news.jpg
Same goes for skopjans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3FiizFvvk4

[Vojnik]

I'm with you. Let's say someone firing towards police , would result to be (fairly) shot because he is dangerous.

I just have some questions, because the story doesn't really make sense;

(1)
He actually did shot toweards people ? The first reports were that he shot in the air and then the story changed, that he shot towards the police. They should decide what fits their story better for the start.
(2)
How come special forces, and helicopter came ''so fast''? Let's say that this incident was soooo dangerous and soooo important to require special forces (!) and an helicopter (!), how come no camera and live news/footage was involved?

Apparently he was a member of Golden dawn.

But look, i'm hearing the reports from the news. That's all i can do. Can you try justify why the Albanian police would just shoot him for no reason?

[Georgia]

What needs to be highlighted is that his village is an officially recognized Greek minority village,and raising a Greek flag in a military cemetery during a day of national celebration for Greece isn’t illegal or provocative action.

One thing is for sure,what happened between him and the Albanian police and led to his death needs further investigation and I don’t see how Rama bragging on Twitter about the killing of an “extremist” helps shed light on this case.

[Vojnik]

Question for Greeks. Would you allow citizens to raise a flag of another country?

[Georgia]

Question for Greeks. Would you allow citizens to raise a flag of another country?

Tell me what you didnt understand exactly from the sentence” it’s an officially recognized Greek minority village” and I will try to explain it to you.

[Vojnik]

Tell me what you didnt understand exactly from the sentence” it’s an officially recognized Greek minority village” and I will try to explain it to you.

How do you feel having a officially recognised Greek village in another country? Feels good?

[Papastratosels26]

Question for Greeks. Would you allow citizens to raise a flag of another country?

Yep even we have LGBT flag raised. In the Balkans probably not.

[Vojnik]

Yep even we have LGBT flag raised. In the Balkans probably not.

Pffff. LGBTQITSE#$RB flag is no big deal. Nothing nationalist about it.

[Georgia]

How do you feel having a officially recognised Greek village in another country? Feels good?

Resorting to irony when your argument falls flat on your face?

There are 99 Greek minority villages in South Albania or North Epirus btw,and their inhabitants are protected by international treaties,that means they have every right to speak the Greek language,raise the Greek flag and celebrate Greek national days,that’s the reality of international law,either you and the Albanians like it or not.

[Papastratosels26]

Im Butthurt. Let's jeopardize another thread with off-Topic posts

Yes a lot of flags ����, ����, ���� ��, ����.

[Vojnik]

Resorting to irony when your argument falls flat on your face?

There are 99 Greek minority villages in South Albania or North Epirus btw,and their inhabitants are protected by international treaties,that means they have every right to speak the Greek language,raise the Greek flag and celebrate Greek national days,that’s the reality of international law,either you and the Albanians like it or not.


I didn't say i was against it. I frankly don't give a shit. I was wondering how it feels.

There are also recognised Macedonian minorities in Albania. It's great.

[Skerdilaid]

(1)
He actually did shot toweards people ? The first reports were that he shot in the air and then the story changed, that he shot towards the police. They should decide what fits their story better for the start.
(2)
How come special forces, and helicopter came ''so fast''? Let's say that this incident was soooo dangerous and soooo important to require special forces (!) and an helicopter (!), how come no camera and live news/footage was involved?

Is it legal in Greece to parade around populated areas with an AK and shoot in the air? Don’t be retarded. Anywhere else in the world cops would come after you, and if you resist, they will shoot you.

[Kelmendasi]

What needs to be highlighted is that his village is an officially recognized Greek minority village,and raising a Greek flag in a military cemetery during a day of national celebration for Greece isn’t illegal or provocative action.

One thing is for sure,what happened between him and the Albanian police and led to his death needs further investigation and I don’t see how Rama bragging on Twitter about the killing of an “extremist” helps shed light on this case.
He wasn't shot for putting up a flag, he started shooting in the air and then at the police when they pulled his flag down. The area around there probably already has Greek flags so it surely wasn't over the flag. All reports are suggesting that he had extreme nationalistic views and that he was planning an attack on the Albanian police.

[-Scar-]

He shot for 30 mins and had even damaged their car, meaning that he was trying to kill them.

[Kelmendasi]

It is not because I can wrote random surnames myself, and claim stuff. Give name+surnames so the info can be cross-checked.

This guy was not killed by the police :picard2:
Now you're just being petty and are just trying not to accept anything.

[Albobalboa]

He shot for 30 mins and had even damaged their car, meaning that he was trying to kill them.

Bro he shot in the air and the bullets then came down and tragically hit the police car. He dindu nuffin.

[-Scar-]

He shot 17 bullets for around half an hour, if that isn't a crime I don't know what else is.

[Albobalboa]

Rest in peace Pavlos Fyssas, we avenged you and many others even if just slightly by bodying this Golden Dawn rat.

https://greece.greekreporter.com/files/fyssas.jpg

Gonna have a good glass of wine and think about the defenceless victims that have had to deal with mentally retarded Golden Dawners all over Greece. They are only tough because the police forces have been infiltrated by them, he probably thought he was gonna do some Rambo shit in the mountaints because he read about Skanderbeg, ol bitch ass Romoi :rotfl:

For anyone that is not Greek or Albanian, don't base your opinion of Greeks on TA. Go to reddit instead and you will find a more balanced bunch. This is a clear case and fortunately no civilian got hurt.

[-Scar-]

Bla bla bla fucking clowns , you must pay for everything.
Its not just him we have thousand like him and especially Cretans which want to come
up there and fuck your ass

North Epirus is Greek lands and you know it.
You try to kill all minorities but your time is near

Dumb Bulgarian!

[-Scar-]

For anyone that is not Greek or Albanian, don't base your opinion of Greeks on TA. Go to reddit instead and you will find a more balanced bunch. This is a clear case and fortunately no civilian got hurt.

They are much better here than they are in some other site(s). They have already made him a national ''hero''.

[Albobalboa]

They are much better here than they are in some other site(s). They have already made him a national ''hero''.

Xaxaxa

Meh maybe I just saw some sanity and assumed it was for everyone there. Don't really give a fuck since their butthurt makes everything more entertaining, Greeks are Serbs 2.0.

[Queen B]

Now you're just being petty and are just trying not to accept anything.

No this is irrelevant . A random citizen is not police. Do not confuse power, authority and officials , with civilians .

[Thanas Django]

Xaxaxa

Meh maybe I just saw some sanity and assumed it was for everyone there. Don't really give a fuck since their butthurt makes everything more entertaining, Greeks are Serbs 2.0.

The conversation quality just went down two notches because of this post.

[Queen B]

Apparently he was a member of Golden dawn.

But look, i'm hearing the reports from the news. That's all i can do. Can you try justify why the Albanian police would just shoot him for no reason?
Apparently ? Any source ?

Why ? Because he is a nationalist. A nationalist is a "danger" . Imagine a powerful "unstable" minority. You are from Balkans you know well what this means

He also was an Albanian citizen. (Greek too). It wasn't a Greek citizen raising flag there.

And it is under the Constitution that he can raise the flag in the minority village

Also he was shooting in the air. If he had NOT turn the gun towards a human , the procedure is to immobilize , not kill.

[Albobalboa]

Lmao check his facebook page, this is karma x100.

https://scontent-frt3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32407991_1566736600116567_844248875127537664_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent-frt3-2.xx&oh=40fbe5216657c6c420332b3f3d9107af&oe=5C43BF7F

With the comment: "Μ.Α.Β.Η !!! Βόρεια Ήπειρος Γη ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΉ!!!"

SLAVAAA CCCC SRBIJAAAAAA!1!!

[Georgia]

He wasn't shot for putting up a flag, he started shooting in the air and then at the police when they pulled his flag down. The area around there probably already has Greek flags so it surely wasn't over the flag. All reports are suggesting that he had extreme nationalistic views and that he was planning an attack on the Albanian police.
All Greece asks you to do is a further investigation of this story.Is that too radical in your opinion?

[Skerdilaid]

Also he was shooting in the air. If he had NOT turn the gun towards a human , the procedure is to immobilize , not kill.

You obviously are retarded.

Not too long a ago a man was shot like a dog downtown Vancouver, and only because he had a knife and resisted when they attempted to arrest him. Not the first case either. Police or special forces take no chances when civilians are threatened.

[Kelmendasi]

Apparently ? Any source ?

Why ? Because he is a nationalist. A nationalist is a "danger" . Imagine a powerful "unstable" minority. You are from Balkans you know well what this means

He also was an Albanian citizen. (Greek too). It wasn't a Greek citizen raising flag there.

And it is under the Constitution that he can raise the flag in the minority village

Also he was shooting in the air. If he had NOT turn the gun towards a human , the procedure is to immobilize , not kill.
Lol, what are policemen now robots who can't make errors when shooting? Perhaps they weren't aiming to kill but did, you can't conclude that they were shooting to kill.

[Kelmendasi]

All Greece asks you to do is a further investigation of this story.Is that too radical in your opinion?
And that's whats happening. In turn we ask you not to act like this man was innocent and that what he did was heroic. If anything the Greek community should condemn this man

[Kelmendasi]

No this is irrelevant . A random citizen is not police. Do not confuse power, authority and officials , with civilians .
I wasn't saying that he was a policeman. I didn't know that you was talking about police officers so I posted it. What's petty is that you don't want to accept that there are probably more Albanians in Greece killed by the police than Greeks in Albania, yet nobody is turning them into martyrs or calling them heroes

[nightrider+]

50 more like him and Tosks would be running for the sea.

[Arjana]

He was a disgusting terrorist that had Facebook full of chauvinistic posts. He should have been regarded as non grata person a long time ago.

This subhuman shot the village and policemen and shot even the special b forces.

This continued for 5 hours.

He got what he deserved.

Too bad that this thread and this forum is still full of under humans commenting all day.

[Ujku]

You obviously are retarded.

Not too long a ago a man was shot like a dog downtown Vancouver, and only because he had a knife and resisted when they attempted to arrest him. Not the first case either. Police or special forces take no chances when civilians are threatened.

Thye are fucking retarded...shooting with an AK EVEN IN THE AIR while the police is there is what i call being a rotkarri .

[Ujku]

50 more like him and Tosks would be running for the sea.

He is living in a area without Tosks , that's why he thought he was so tough. I would love for him to try this shit in Gjirokaster , they would literally skin him alive .

[Arjana]

I wasn't saying that he was a policeman. I didn't know that you was talking about police officers so I posted it. What's petty is that you don't want to accept that there are probably more Albanians in Greece killed by the police than Greeks in Albania, yet nobody is turning them into martyrs or calling them heroes

Do not engage much with her.

Some Albanians that have been baned have been brut with her but in some cases they would be justified.

The biggest under humans would be the Armenoid darkness wins and the other mono brow from crete.

This creature was not even a criminal but someone that shot bullets for 4 hours.

He could have been killed by the police since the beginning but they tried to make him surrender.

But you are dealing with a nation with fake history here such as modern Greece.

It is insane because Albanians allowed neo Greeks to have graveyard of Greek soldiers in Albanian land and they are not even gretefull.

These graveyards should have not even be allowed in first place and we would not be dealing with such subhumans now.

And this is coming by me whose mother is from himare

[Kelmendasi]

Do not engage much with her.

Some Albanians that have been baned have been brut with her but in some cases they would be justified.

The biggest under humans would be the Armenoid darkness wins and the other mono brow from crete.

This creature was not even a criminal but someone that shot bullets for 4 hours.

He could have been killed by the police since the beginning but they tried to make him surrender.

But you are dealing with a nation with fake history here such as modern Greece.

It is insane because Albanians allowed neo Greeks to have graveyard of Greek soldiers in Albanian land and they are not even gretefull.

These graveyards should have not even be allowed in first place and we would not be dealing with such subhumans now.

And this is coming by me whose mother is from himare
I'm just kinda confused on how some of the Greeks here are calling him a hero. He didn't even do anything heroic, he got shot. I guess their standards are low

[Dorian]

Look at these frying-pan headed dark armenoids :cool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UJRnr-ZX3g

[Faklon]

Alboz do have a point, I think we should kill every Albanian criminal and every Albanian suspected to be a future criminal in retaliation.

I remember the case of Ilia Kareli, the prisoner who was tortured after killing a prison guard, of course he was considered a hero in Albania and got the funeral of a king.

https://flashnews.gr/storage/photos/c_700px_400px/201404/kareli.PNG

[Albobalboa]

Alboz do have a point, I think we should kill every Albanian criminal and every Albanian suspected to be a future criminal in retaliation.

I remember the case of Ilia Kareli, the prisoner who was tortured after killing a prison guard, of course he was considered a hero in Albania and got the funeral of a king.

https://flashnews.gr/storage/photos/c_700px_400px/201404/kareli.PNG

Ilia Karelia wasn't in a shootout and ended up being killed through exchange of fire, he was tortured and murdered in prison. If this guy had been taken to custody, and then tortured and killed, you'd have a point.

I get what you're trying to prove through your estrogenic outburst, but these cases are very different. Use your head bro, I know that deep down you're not this stupid.

[Skerdilaid]

Greek government should be held responsible for this incident actually. At least until they clear out the air why was one of their army personnel in the neighboring country carrying an illegal weapon (AK47) and shooting at the police that confronted him.

[Papastratosels26]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolationism

This is the best solution for the countries. CLOSED BORDERS.

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[Faklon]

meow

Yeah, they should have killed Kareli before touching the prison guard to be a similar situation, that's why I pointed out every Albanian suppected to be a future criminal.

[Kelmendasi]

Look at these frying-pan headed dark armenoids :cool: [veo=youtube;8UJRnr-ZX3g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UJRnr-ZX3g[/video]
What's your point? Look here, your fellow Greek was killed for being a dumbass, it's only you lot that I have seen praising such stupidity. Lol at dark, Albanians are lighter than Greeks on average, but lets not turn this into a racial discussion.

[Albobalboa]

Yeah, they should have killed Kareli before touching the prison guard to be a similar situation, that's why I pointed out every Albanian suppected to be a future criminal.

So just killing him for being alive? Ok that's not similar to this case either.

Again, use your fcking brain. You're just trying to use this as an outlet for butthurt.

[Geni]

He was 1 idiot....because to terrorize i village with kalashnikov without raison and shot 30 minute long vs Renea
despite megaphone calls to be delivered ( i assure you when he was albanian they killed them in the first shot) (they was most greek in the ceremonie)is stupid and the albanian police that was in the village are more stupid.....without experience one to know what is to do they call " Renea "special forces from Tirana.....then every idiot know that when the special forces to every country of this fucking planet come and you shot them you are dead...the idiots local police mens should let the monkey with kalashnikov to go in the mountain and announce him in police search....conclusion extremist idiot (patriot :rolleyes:) dead and hero to Raine and company and the normal albanian police man out standart and formation...this is the logic....i dont aprove the kill of anyone ,albanian greek,roma etc but the man had what he deserved...Albania is not 1 jungle where anyone kan shot in public like in Syria....even he was albanian i will aprove the behavior of "Renea" forces

[Dorian]

What's your point? Look here, your fellow Greek was killed for being a dumbass, it's only you lot that I have seen praising such stupidity. Lol at dark, Albanians are lighter than Greeks on average, but lets not turn this into a racial discussion.

Well I follow the news,but personally I don't believe in anything yet,it's soon ,maybe time will show or maybe not,there is a theory going on of him being executed and police just firing to make it look like there was exchange,It wouldn't surprise me if this is the truth,it would fit your people, we will see,his parents asked forensic lawyers from Greece to examine the case, the thing is you guys who make fun of people who made him a hero are not any different cause you just repeat what you'd like to be the truth,as I said time will show...I hope.
And my point was some bitch called me Cretan monobrow even though I'm neither,we have 3x your population so it's normal that we will have more dark people,but mostly it's your features not skin tone that makes you non-white but fuck it let's not go into this because each side will send the exotic ones of the other nation leading nowhere.

[Geni]

Νέα στοιχεία για τον ομογενή Κωνσταντίνο Κατσίφα – Είχε συλληφθεί το 2009 για διακίνηση ναρκωτικών
ΔΗΜΟΣΙΕΥΘΗΚΕ: 29.10.2018 | 18:09 NEWSIT NEWSROOM
Νέα στοιχεία για τον ομογενή Κωνσταντίνο Κατσίφα – Είχε συλληφθεί το 2009 για διακίνηση ναρκωτικών | Newsit.gr
- Θολό ακόμα το τοπίο για τις συνθήκες κάτω από τις οποίες έπεσε νεκρός ο Κωνσταντίνος Κατσίφας - Ανοικτή γραμμή για το περιστατικό μεταξύ του αρχηγού της ΕΛΑΣ, αντιστράτηγου Αριστείδη Ανδρικόπουλου και του Αλβανού ομολόγου του - Δίπλα στο νεκρό βρέθηκαν οκτώ κάλυκες, μία τσάντα με περίπου 100 σφαίρες καλάσνικοφ
Νέα στοιχεία βλέπουν το φως της δημοσιότητας για το παρελθόν του ομογενή που έπεσε νεκρός από τα πυρά αλβανών αστυνομικών στο χωριό Βουλιαράτες της Αλβανίας. Σύμφωνα με πηγές της αστυνομίας, ο Κωνσταντίνος Κατσίφας είχε συλληφθεί μετά από επιχείρηση της Δίωξης Ναρκωτικών το 2009 για συμμετοχή σε κύκλωμα που διακινούσε ναρκωτικά. Η σύλληψη είχε γίνει μετά από μεγάλη επιχείρηση στο Χαλάνδρι. Είχε βρεθεί σύμφωνα με τις ίδιες πηγές να έχει στην κατοχή του μισό κιλό χασίς και είχε ασκηθεί εναντίον του ποινική δίωξη ως μέλος εγκληματικής οργάνωσης.

Την ίδια ώρα, σύμφωνα με άλλες πηγές της Ελληνικής Αστυνομίας, δεν υπάρχουν διαθέσιμα στοιχεία, ούτε μαρτυρίες, που να συνδέουν την ένοπλη συμπλοκή στην Αλβανία, κατά την οποία έπεσε νεκρός από τις σφαίρες των Αλβανών αστυνομικών ο 35χρονος Βορειοηπειρώτης Κωνσταντίνος Κατσίφας, με την ύψωση της ελληνικής σημαίας.

Όπως έγινε γνωστό, από την πρώτη στιγμή υπήρξε επικοινωνία για το περιστατικό μεταξύ του αρχηγού της ΕΛΑΣ, αντιστράτηγου Αριστείδη Ανδρικόπουλου, με τον Αλβανό ομόλογο του -στο πλαίσιο της συνεργασίας που υπάρχει- και ενημερώθηκε για το συμβάν, ενώ έχουν ξεκινήσει ήδη οι διαδικασίες προκειμένου να συμμετάσχει και η ελληνική πλευρά στις έρευνες για την πλήρη διαλεύκανση των αιτίων της συμπλοκής.

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Διάβημα διαμαρτυρίας από το ΥΠΕΞ για τη δολοφονία του Κωνσταντίνου Κατσίφα
Ειδικότερα, σύμφωνα με τις ίδιες πηγές, έχουν δρομολογηθεί μέσω της διπλωματικής οδού όλες οι ενέργειες για τη συμμετοχή της ελληνικής πλευράς στις έρευνες, προκειμένου να ενημερώνεται και παράλληλα να παρέχει στις αλβανικές Αρχές οποιαδήποτε συνδρομή κριθεί απαραίτητη.

Πάντως, όπως έγινε γνωστό από το αρχηγείο της ΕΛΑΣ, ο ίδιος ο Κωνσταντίνος Κατσίφας συμμετείχε στον σημαιοστολισμό στους Βουλιαράτες, όπου αναρτήθηκαν δεκάδες σημαίες, ενόψει της επετείου της 28ης Οκτωβρίου 1940, χωρίς να ανακύψει κάποιο θέμα.

Πληροφορίες αναφέρουν ότι ο Κωνσταντίνος Κατσίφας, φορώντας στολή παραλλαγής, ήταν οπλισμένος με καλάσνικοφ, αρχικά πυροβόλησε στον αέρα και μετά κατά διερχόμενου περιπολικού της αστυνομίας, το οποίο δέχτηκε τουλάχιστον τρεις σφαίρες (υπάρχουν και φωτογραφίες), ενώ στο σημείο βρέθηκαν 17 κάλυκες. Στη συνέχεια διέφυγε. Έγιναν αναζητήσεις και τελικά εντοπίστηκε σε μία βουνοπλαγιά, στην περιοχή όπου βρίσκεται το σπίτι του. Η αλβανική αστυνομία διέταξε την επέμβαση των ειδικών δυνάμεων, οι οποίες μεταφέρθηκαν με ελικόπτερο στην περιοχή. Σημειώθηκαν πυροβολισμοί με συνέπεια τον θάνατο του Κωνσταντίνου Κατσίφα.

Δίπλα στον νεκρό βρέθηκαν οκτώ κάλυκες, μία τσάντα με περίπου 100 σφαίρες καλάσνικοφ, μαχαίρι στρατιωτικού τύπου και θηλιά στρατιωτικού τύπου.
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New facts about the expatriate Konstantinos Katsifas - He was arrested in 2009 for drug trafficking
PUBLISHED: 29.10.2018 | 18:09 NEWSIT NEWSROOM
New facts about the expatriate Konstantinos Katsifas - He was arrested in 2009 for drug trafficking | Newsit.gr
- Still clouds the landscape for the conditions under which Constantine Katsifas fell dead - Open line for the incident between the head of ELAS, Deputy Aristeid Andrikopoulos and his Albanian counterpart - Next to the dead were found eight cups, a bag with about 100 bullet bullets
New elements see the light of publicity about the past of the homogenous who fell dead from the Albanian police fires in the village of Vouliarates in Albania. According to police sources, Konstantinos Katsifas was arrested after a Drug Enforcement operation in 2009 for involvement in a drug trafficking circuit. The capture was after a big business in Halandri. He had been found, according to the same sources, to own half a kilo of hashish and had been charged with criminal prosecution as a member of a criminal organization.

At the same time, according to other sources of the Hellenic Police, there are no data available, nor evidence, linking the armed struggle in Albania, where 35-year-old Northeastern Constantine Katsifas , a 35-year-old Northeastern , has fallen asleep from the spheres of Albanian police Greek flag.

As it was known, from the very first moment there was communication about the incident between the head of ELAS, Deputy Aristeidis Andrikopoulos, with his Albanian counterpart - in the framework of the cooperation that exists - and was informed about the incident, while the procedures for the the Greek side also participates in the investigations to fully elucidate the causes of the conflict.

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Statement by the Foreign Ministry on the murder of Constantine Katsifa
In particular, according to the same sources, all actions for the participation of the Greek side in the investigations have been launched through the diplomatic channel in order to be informed and at the same time to provide the Albanian authorities with any assistance deemed necessary.

However, as reported by ELAS headquarters, Konstantinos Katsifas himself participated in the markism in Vouliarates, where dozens of flags were posted, in view of the anniversary of 28 October 1940, without any issue.

Information says that Konstantinos Katsifas, wearing a variation suit, was armed with a Kalashnikov, initially shot in the air and then by a passing police patrol, which received at least three spheres (there are photographs), while 17 caps were found. Then he fled. There were searches and finally found on a mountainside, in the area where his home is located. The Albanian police ordered the intervention of the special forces, which were transported by helicopter to the area. There were shootings resulting in the death of Constantine Katsifa.

Next to the dead were found eight cups, a bag of about 100 bullets, a military-type knife and a military-style loop.

[Albobalboa]

Well I follow the news,but personally I don't believe in anything yet,it's soon ,maybe time will show or maybe not,there is a theory going on of him being executed and police just firing to make it look like there was exchange,It wouldn't surprise me if this is the truth,it would fit your people, we will see,his parents asked forensic lawyers from Greece to examine the case, the thing is you guys who make fun of people who made him a hero are not any different cause you just repeat what you'd like to be the truth,as I said time will show...I hope.
And my point was some bitch called me Cretan monobrow even though I'm neither,we have 3x your population so it's normal that we will have more dark people,but mostly it's your features not skin tone that makes you non-white but fuck it let's not go into this because each side will send the exotic ones of the other nation leading nowhere.

Behold, the master of cope. Bro Cretans are dark as shit and everyone and their Cretan dog knows it. Mainland Greeks are similar to other balkan people, but ya'll are literal middle easterners. Stop spouting your stormfront fantasies here, idiot.

[Kelmendasi]

Well I follow the news,but personally I don't believe in anything yet,it's soon ,maybe time will show or maybe not,there is a theory going on of him being executed and police just firing to make it look like there was exchange,It wouldn't surprise me if this is the truth,it would fit your people, we will see,his parents asked forensic lawyers from Greece to examine the case, the thing is you guys who make fun of people who made him a hero are not any different cause you just repeat what you'd like to be the truth,as I said time will show...I hope.
And my point was some bitch called me Cretan monobrow even though I'm neither,we have 3x your population so it's normal that we will have more dark people,but mostly it's your features not skin tone that makes you non-white but fuck it let's not go into this because each side will send the exotic ones of the other nation leading nowhere.
I'm going by reports, reports are suggesting that he wasn't such a hero but rather was asking for it. As much as you would like for the Albanian police to have executed an innocent Greek man, this is just wishful thinking and highly unlikely. I make fun out of the people trying to justify his actions as acts of heroism when they clearly were not. Yh right, "non-white" features lol

[Kelmendasi]

Lol and people are trying to make him seem innocent. The guy had 100 bullets for crying out loud.

[Dorian]

Behold, the master of cope. Bro Cretans are dark as shit and everyone and their Cretan dog knows it. Mainland Greeks are similar to other balkan people, but ya'll are literal middle easterners. Stop spouting your stormfront fantasies here, idiot.

I said fag,I'm not Cretan,whatever...

[Papastratosels26]

Close Borders people. It's for the best.

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[Albobalboa]

Close Borders people. It's for the best.

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Nah we want to have contact with leftist Greeks, they seem cool and they know how to treat Greek fascists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mUW5Zn4n8k

There's a reason the leftists haven't caused a fuss over this: http://www.xryshaygh.com/enimerosi/view/g.-lagos-kamia-sumponia-apo-thn-boulh-gia-thn-dolofonia-tou-k.-katsifa-apo

[Papastratosels26]

Nah we want to have contact with leftist Greeks, they seem cool and they know how to treat Greek fascists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mUW5Zn4n8k

There's a reason the leftists haven't caused a fuss over this: http://www.xryshaygh.com/enimerosi/view/g.-lagos-kamia-sumponia-apo-thn-boulh-gia-thn-dolofonia-tou-k.-katsifa-apoIt's for the best. Closed borders. Both happy and no hate each other. Like the countries of visegrand

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[-Scar-]

He was a disgusting terrorist that had Facebook full of chauvinistic posts. He should have been regarded as non grata person a long time ago.

This subhuman shot the village and policemen and shot even the special b forces.

This continued for 5 hours.

He got what he deserved.

Too bad that this thread and this forum is still full of under humans commenting all day.

Those who look up to him as a role model can join him anytime if they want.

[-Scar-]

Recorded video of the Aromanian Neo Greek terrorist:
https://youtu.be/sb5RjLGLWCo

[Skerdilaid]

The irony in of this is that these ‘Greeks’ of southern Albania all seem to be Greek speaking south slavs (Bulgarian etc). All tested thus far are some type of I2a xD

[-Scar-]

The irony in of this is that these ‘Greeks’ of southern Albania all seem to be Greek speaking south slavs (Bulgarian etc). All tested thus far are some type of I2a xD

Source? They were merchants from Pindos Mountains in 17th/18th century.

[Skerdilaid]

Source? They were merchants from Pindos Mountains in 17th/18th century.

Am I your waitress or some shit? Do some research, use your head for once.

[Gangrel]

My man shot for 30 minutes and didnt manage to kill anyone LOL

[ShenGjergj]

Thousand of Albanians have been killed during history and we are not crying like you do greek pussies especially for a terrorist. Greeks kill innocent greeks everyday you should care more about them.

[-Scar-]

Am I your waitress or some shit? Do some research, use your head for once.

You have no source. Got it.

[-Scar-]

Fuck you bastard , you are cowards . We liberated Epirus 3 times from your fucking people and great powers give it to you.
But you must respect the Greek minority

If you dont then we have laws for war again in the region.
Now its a time like this.
Greek army must invade North Epirus and take revenge for the Hero

It turns out the 'hero' had a criminal past.
https://www.balkanweb.com/detaje-ngjarja-ne-bularat-kacifa-ishte-arrestuar-per-trafik-droge/

[Kelmendasi]

Seems like he was asked to surrender by the police but replied with gun fire. More and more evidence seems to be coming out and it is showing that he was the provoker. http://shqiptarja.com/lajm/vrasja-e-ekstremistit-grek-gazetari-i-report-tv-artan-hoxha-kacifa-sishte-i-vetem-ka-nisur-nje-hetim-i-padrejte-mbi-renean

[Kelmendasi]

You have no source. Got it.
The Greeks from Albania tested on the Albanian project have come out mainly as belonging to I2a1b-Din.

[Coolguy1]

The Greeks from Albania tested on the Albanian project have come out mainly as belonging to I2a1b-Din.

Lol the one or two that have tested? Give me a break man, all of southern Albania has high I2a dinaric. And Ive seen quite a few Albanians from Himara, Saranda, Argirokastro and some Chams come up as J2a, I guess they're Greek.

[Kelmendasi]

Lol the one or two that have tested? Give me a break man, all of southern Albania has high I2a dinaric. And Ive seen quite a few Albanians from Himara, Saranda, Argirokastro and some Chams come up as J2a, I guess they're Greek.
It still mainly is it not? Yes the sample size is small, but that is the majority result so far. Only 1 is J2a. Nobody lied at that. Majority from Himare belong to J2b2>Z631, in all of these places you have mentioned only 1 Albanian has come up as J2a lol. Gjirokaster is overwhelmingly E-V13.

[DarknessWin]

Apparently he was a member of Golden dawn.

But look, i'm hearing the reports from the news. That's all i can do. Can you try justify why the Albanian police would just shoot him for no reason?

Beware the Golden Dawn you bastards, now thousands of them going to take guns and take revenge.
You maybe already forget Strebesnica ???

Feel bad for albos , they have huge problems now and whole Greece and especially Golden Dawn call for war.
Many people already want to volunteer for a gorilla war in North Epirus

I am one of them , want the goverment to let us take the guns.
Freedom to North Epirus and North Macedonia

[Kelmendasi]

Beware the Golden Dawn you bastards, now thousands of them going to take guns and take revenge.
You maybe already forget Strebesnica ???

Feel bad for albos , they have huge problems now and whole Greece and especially Golden Dawn call for war.
Many people already want to volunteer for a gorilla war in North Epirus

I am one of them , want the goverment to let us take the guns.
Freedom to North Epirus and North Macedonia
xD, what is this 300? Pipe down you speng xD

[Coolguy1]

It still mainly is it not? Yes the sample size is small, but that is the majority result so far. Only 1 is J2a. Nobody lied at that. Majority from Himare belong to J2b2>Z631, in all of these places you have mentioned only 1 Albanian has come up as J2a lol. Gjirokaster is overwhelmingly E-V13.



Ruci Dhermi, Himare, Shqiperi J2a-M410>L25>Z7700
Xhavara Labova e Kryqit, Gjirokaster, Shqiperi J2a-M410>L25>Z7700
Kapia Mbrezhan, Permet, Shqiperi J2a-M410>L25>Z7700
Lato Gjonbabas/Opar, Korce, Shqiperi J2a-M410>M319>S17259
Hoxha (Sadja) Selite, Elbasan, Shqiperi J2a-M410>M67>M92
Mehmeti Gumenice, Cameri, Greqi J2a-M410>M67>M92>Z515
Dhimitri (Duma) Lekures, Sarande, Shqiperi J2a-M410>M67>M92>Z515
Kulla Korce, Shqiperi J2a-M410>PF5008>L581>Z39726

There are other J2a's from the south that ive seen that arent in the project, Whats Minoan M319 doing in Korca lol? Ive seen one from Permet as well.

[DarknessWin]

He was a disgusting terrorist that had Facebook full of chauvinistic posts. He should have been regarded as non grata person a long time ago.

This subhuman shot the village and policemen and shot even the special b forces.

This continued for 5 hours.

He got what he deserved.

Too bad that this thread and this forum is still full of under humans commenting all day.

Fuck you WHORE

He was a HERO , we will take revenge dont worry BITCH

[Kelmendasi]

Dhermi, Himare, Shqiperi J2a-M410>L25>Z7700
Labova e Kryqit, Gjirokaster, Shqiperi J2a-M410>L25>Z7700
Mbrezhan, Permet, Shqiperi J2a-M410>L25>Z7700
Gjonbabas/Opar, Korce, Shqiperi J2a-M410>M319>S17259
Selite, Elbasan, Shqiperi J2a-M410>M67>M92
Gumenice, Cameri, Greqi J2a-M410>M67>M92>Z515
Lekures, Sarande, Shqiperi J2a-M410>M67>M92>Z515
Korce, Shqiperi J2a-M410>PF5008>L581>Z39726

There are other J2a's from the south that ive seen that arent in the project, Whats Minoan M319 doing in Korca lol? Ive seen one from Permet as well.
At least remove the surnames, in case of privacy things. Yh only 1 in Himare, 1 in Permet, 1 Cam, 1 Sarande, 1 in Korca and 1 Gjirokaster. The rest from those areas belong to haplogroups common among Albanians. Some of the J2a isn't even Greek in origin

Greeks in Albania from the Albanian project:
Minoritar Grek Polican, Gjirokaster, Shqiperi I2a-M423>CTS10228
Minoritar Grek Delvine, Shqiperi I2a-M423>CTS10228
Minoritar Grek Narte, Vlore, Shqiperi I2a-M423>CTS10228
Minoritar Grek Delvine, Shqiperi J2a-M410>M67>M92

From Ftdna Greek project:
Gjirokaster - E-V12
Gjirokaster - E-Z5017

[-Scar-]

Ruci Dhermi, Himare, Shqiperi J2a-M410>L25>Z7700
Xhavara Labova e Kryqit, Gjirokaster, Shqiperi J2a-M410>L25>Z7700
Kapia Mbrezhan, Permet, Shqiperi J2a-M410>L25>Z7700
Lato Gjonbabas/Opar, Korce, Shqiperi J2a-M410>M319>S17259
Hoxha (Sadja) Selite, Elbasan, Shqiperi J2a-M410>M67>M92
Mehmeti Gumenice, Cameri, Greqi J2a-M410>M67>M92>Z515
Dhimitri (Duma) Lekures, Sarande, Shqiperi J2a-M410>M67>M92>Z515
Kulla Korce, Shqiperi J2a-M410>PF5008>L581>Z39726

There are other J2a's from the south that ive seen that arent in the project, Whats Minoan M319 doing in Korca lol? Ive seen one from Permet as well.

J2a is below 15% in mainland Greece. In Macedonia it is very minimal. And J2a is a very diverse halpogroup. It has different roots , even M319.
The overall % is quite low.

[Coolguy1]

At least remove the surnames, in case of privacy things. Yh only 1 in Himare, 1 in Permet, 1 Cam, 1 Sarande, 1 in Korca and 1 Gjirokaster. The rest from those areas belong to haplogroups common among Albanians. Some of the J2a isn't even Greek in origin

These people clearly disclosed their information willingly, and realize that other people can see it. And lets be honest with ourselves, there is no real other explanation for the high levels of J2a in southern Albanian compared to Ghegs other than Greek presence. J2a makes up some 7% of the overall Tosk gene pool, which may make it a minor haplogroup but not an insignificant one. Compare to Ghegs who have nearly 0% J2a.

[Skerdilaid]

There are other J2a's from the south that ive seen that arent in the project, Whats Minoan M319 doing in Korca lol? Ive seen one from Permet as well.

Vlahs have elevated J2a percentages as well. One needs to study those subclades more closely. Claiming they are Greeks just because they are J2a is lunacy considering how old J2a is in the region. There might be specific Albanian clusters too that aren’t related to Greeks.

Anyway, definitely not on the same level with CTS10228 ‘greeks’ from southern Albania.

[DarknessWin]

The irony in of this is that these ‘Greeks’ of southern Albania all seem to be Greek speaking south slavs (Bulgarian etc). All tested thus far are some type of I2a xD

Come and suck out I2a dicks moron

[Kelmendasi]

These people clearly disclosed their information willingly, and realize that other people can see it. And lets be honest with ourselves, there is no real other explanation for the high levels of J2a in southern Albanian compared to Ghegs other than Greek presence. J2a makes up some 7% of the overall Tosk gene pool, which may make it a minor haplogroup but not an insignificant one. Compare to Ghegs who have nearly 0% J2a.
Yes but who knows what lunatics are hiding in TA, it's happened before where users have stalked people based on their surnames from DNA tests.A good amount is of Aromanian/Vlach origin. L25 seems to suggest this

[DarknessWin]

My man shot for 30 minutes and didnt manage to kill anyone LOL

Police run away and called special forces to kill him.
1 man against whole army

Imagine if more golden dawn members move there???
The next Strebesnica :)

[Skerdilaid]

Come and suck out I2a dicks moron

Scream harder and talks some more because I can’t fucking hear you, you sulvaki making monobrow gypo. See what happens when merchants play the warrrior game? xD

[Kelmendasi]

Police run away and called special forces to kill him.
1 man against whole army

Imagine if more golden dawn members move there???
The next Strebesnica :)
Again, you lack basic understanding. The police obviously will call units, that is the procedure in every country dumbo. But guess what, it was an Albanian that shot him, not the other way round. Yh of course, the golden dawn led by their fat gypsy leader Nikolaos Michaloliakos xD

[DarknessWin]

Seems like he was asked to surrender by the police but replied with gun fire. More and more evidence seems to be coming out and it is showing that he was the provoker. http://shqiptarja.com/lajm/vrasja-e-ekstremistit-grek-gazetari-i-report-tv-artan-hoxha-kacifa-sishte-i-vetem-ka-nisur-nje-hetim-i-padrejte-mbi-renean

Yes he answer that " Greeks never surrender "
this is the way to become a Hero and fought an army alone no matter if they kill you
you stay alive in history and have diner at Ylisian Fields with Leonidas

[Kelmendasi]

Yes he answer that " Greeks never surrender "
this is the way to become a Hero and fought an army alone no matter if they kill you
you stay alive in history and have diner at Ylisian Fields with Leonidas
Nah, the guy had plans to escape the police which is why began fleeing into the mountains. He got cut off by policemen who then killed him in a gun fight, he shot for 1 hour but didn't hit anybody. We aren't living in some movie, this is real life kid

[ShenGjergj]

Police run away and called special forces to kill him.
1 man against whole army

Imagine if more golden dawn members move there???
The next Strebesnica :)

If Albanians want they send 50 strong men and can make a "Crystal nacht" for the neogreeks there but the reality is different, keep living with Athen's propaganda idiot.

[DarknessWin]

If Albanians want they send 50 strong men and can make a "Crystal nacht" for the neogreeks there but the reality is different, keep living with Athen's propaganda idiot.

Lets make a war then and see fuckers.
we liberated north epirus 4 times

You forget it already ???
5th time would be the last and its close

[Coolguy1]

Vlahs have elevated J2a percentages as well. One needs to study those subclades more closely. Claiming they are Greeks just because they are J2a is lunacy considering how old J2a is in the region. There might be specific Albanian clusters too that aren’t related to Greeks.

Anyway, definitely not on the same level with CTS10228 ‘greeks’ from southern Albania.

Stop acting like a snarky idiot, especially coming from someone like you who claims to know something about genetics. You act like a couple samples from the Greek minority being I2a is some sort of proof that they are Slavs when 20% of Tosks belong to I2a and R1a. If more Greeks are tested then the results will give us a more accurate picture of the genetic reality of these people, which I have no doubts will be close to southern Albanians and northern Greeks.

As for Aromanians, they are highly heterogeneous from specific group to group. Some groups have very high J2b and no J2a. I doubt they are responsible for the increased levels of J2a in the south especially when there is possibly a clear and historically sound explanation for this, your beloved neighbors from the south. As for there "might" being specific Albanian clusters of J2a, lol, I guess you can dream too. It will be interesting when they are tested in more detail.

[Ujku]

THIS IS YOUR HERO GREEKS .



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb5RjLGLWCo

[ShenGjergj]

Lets make a war then and see fuckers.
we liberated north epirus 4 times

You forget it already ???
5th time would be the last and its close

Keep wanking on your fairytales. you better liberate your islands and your capital city full of refugees haha

[Dorian]

:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xamW9IohD2A

[Kelmendasi]

Stop acting like a snarky idiot, especially coming from someone like you who claims to know something about genetics. You act like a couple samples from the Greek minority being I2a is some sort of proof that they are Slavs when 20% of Tosks belong to I2a and R1a. If more Greeks are tested then the results will give us a more accurate picture of the genetic reality of these people, which I have no doubts will be close to southern Albanians and northern Greeks.

As for Aromanians, they are highly heterogeneous from specific group to group. Some groups have very high J2b and no J2a. I doubt they are responsible for the increased levels of J2a in the south especially when there is possibly a clear and historically sound explanation for this, your beloved neighbors from the south. As for there "might" being specific Albanian clusters of J2a, lol, I guess you can dream too. It will be interesting when they are tested in more detail.
Skerdi is actually an admin of the project, he understands these things. Certain groups of Aromanians are J2a. They definitely did contribute to the J2a levels without a doubt. This is suggested by certain clades that are more linked to Italians and other populations than Greeks. In fact historically a Aromanian origin of a good amount of J2a makes sense, the south is where the Aromanians are

[DarknessWin]

Stop acting like a snarky idiot, especially coming from someone like you who claims to know something about genetics. You act like a couple samples from the Greek minority being I2a is some sort of proof that they are Slavs when 20% of Tosks belong to I2a and R1a. If more Greeks are tested then the results will give us a more accurate picture of the genetic reality of these people, which I have no doubts will be close to southern Albanians and northern Greeks.

As for Aromanians, they are highly heterogeneous from specific group to group. Some groups have very high J2b and no J2a. I doubt they are responsible for the increased levels of J2a in the south especially when there is possibly a clear and historically sound explanation for this, your beloved neighbors from the south. As for there "might" being specific Albanian clusters of J2a, lol, I guess you can dream too. It will be interesting when they are tested in more detail.

They are clueless like this idiot Livin, actually everyone believe that Haplogroups have some connection to DNA is clueless.
I am I2 and my DNA is 100% Greek

[Alboz]

THIS IS YOUR HERO GREEKS .


[video=youtube;sb5RjLGLWCo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb5RjLGLWCo

Duket sikur po terheq policet nga fshati per t'i derguar ne nje kurth. Une besoj qe ky ka pas shok te tjere qe kan prit policin jasht fshatit per te bere masaker por u eshte prish plani nga nderhyrja e Renes.

Mos t'harrojm cfare kane bere greket ne Peshkepi


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfT9bSttGtI

[-Scar-]

Duket sikur po terheq policet nga fshati per t'i derguar ne nje kurth. Une besoj qe ky ka pas shok te tjere qe kan prit policin jasht fshatit per te bere masaker por u eshte prish plani nga nderhyrja e Renes.

Mos t'harrojm cfare kane bere greket ne Peshkepi


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfT9bSttGtI
Keto metoda i bejne zakonisht serbet.
Mirpo nuk me shkoj ndermend. Mundet te jete e vertete.

[Livin]

They are clueless like this idiot Livin, actually everyone believe that Haplogroups have some connection to DNA is clueless.
I am I2 and my DNA is 100% Greek

Can you prove that you are 100% Greek?

Your haplo Btw is not Greek.And I am 100% sure that you have never tested before.

Also your village florina is the most Slavic influenced region in Greece.

[Dorian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5U6bEzOoAw

[Ujku]

Duket sikur po terheq policet nga fshati per t'i derguar ne nje kurth. Une besoj qe ky ka pas shok te tjere qe kan prit policin jasht fshatit per te bere masaker por u eshte prish plani nga nderhyrja e Renes.

Mos t'harrojm cfare kane bere greket ne Peshkepi


https://wwube.com/watch?v=GfT9bSttGtI

Edhe mundet , Greket jan shume te poshter ...

[Alboz]

Ja edhe fjalet e ish komandantit per aksionin e Renes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4NqVx7ZAbU

Besoj qe institcionet duhet te jen te kujdeseshme gjat varrimit, plus qe autoritetet duhet patjeter te shkojn thell ksaj pune. Besoj qe nje organizat terroriste greke i ka thell rrenjet dikun ne trojet e Republikes se Shqiperis, dhe ka bashkpuntor edhe shqiptar. Duhet nje aksion i madh nga ana e policis. Nje aksion ne stilin "antimafia".

[Ujku]

Ja edhe fjalet e ish komandantit per aksionin e Renes:


htoutube.com/watch?v=I4NqVx7ZAbU

I qifsha ropt rames qe na mori armet.

[catgeorge]

Greeks are rallying


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB0n2q2za9Q

[Kelmendasi]

I qifsha ropt rames qe na mori armet.
Mos ki merak, shumica kajn ja dy kalasha n'shpi.

[Crn Volk]

Don't worry brother,your day will come.... http://www.egrafis.com/images/kosovo-declares-independence-slide-7-ny-daily-news.jpg
Same goes for skopjans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3FiizFvvk4

Albanians, Macedonians, Bulgarians, Turks will descend on Greece and take a massive dump. You will drown in our excrement.

[Skerdilaid]

Stop acting like a snarky idiot, especially coming from someone like you who claims to know something about genetics. You act like a couple samples from the Greek minority being I2a is some sort of proof that they are Slavs when 20% of Tosks belong to I2a and R1a. If more Greeks are tested then the results will give us a more accurate picture of the genetic reality of these people, which I have no doubts will be close to southern Albanians and northern Greeks.

As for Aromanians, they are highly heterogeneous from specific group to group. Some groups have very high J2b and no J2a. I doubt they are responsible for the increased levels of J2a in the south especially when there is possibly a clear and historically sound explanation for this, your beloved neighbors from the south. As for there "might" being specific Albanian clusters of J2a, lol, I guess you can dream too. It will be interesting when they are tested in more detail.

Only moron I see here is you, that I can’t be bothered with explaining the diversity of a group that started expanding 18000 years ago.

Wasn’t specifically speaking about Aromanians, but Vlahs including Romanians. I am sure they are probably Greeks too, right, including the J2a Vlahs of Serbia and Montenegro.

[ilir]

Also he was shooting in the air. If he had NOT turn the gun towards a human , the procedure is to immobilize , not kill.

Can you please tell me how they were suposed to do that ??
Did you ever had a AK47 in your hands ?? Only special forces and no ordinary police troops will handle subjects armed with AK47, and in Greece happened also recently. Thousands off special forces where engaged for 11 albanians that escaped from the prison.


In the page below you see where he was shouting and also the greek flag that is still untouched .

Reading the reactions of the greeks here makes me thing that for Balkans there is no hope.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb5RjLGLWCo&feature=player_embedded

http://shqiptarja.com/uploads/ckeditor/5bd5ae14a3826qellohet%20makinaaa.jpg

[Ujku]

Mos ki merak, shumica kajn ja dy kalasha n'shpi.

une kam hahahha

[Alboz]

I qifsha ropt rames qe na mori armet.

Kjo pune nuk zgjedhet vetem me arm. Duhet nje hetim i autoriteteve shqiptare ne stilin "antimafia" per shkuljen e rrenjeve te organizatave terroriste greke ne Shqiperi. Nje hetim qe do conte ne nje skandal te madh, edhe per vete shtetin grek. Fatkeqsisht shteti shqiptar nuk besoj qe i ka "goglat", momentalisht, per kete pune.

[Skerdilaid]

Three out of four Greeks from southern Albania are CTS10228. Sure sample is small but that’s still a lot, vast majority! We got freaking Polaks here screaming hellas and talking about Epir. Oh the irony :rotfl:

[Kelmendasi]

une kam hahahha
Edhe na lol, Lezhjanet njihen per arm

[Ujku]

Kjo pune nuk zgjedhet vetem me arm. Duhet nje hetim i autoriteteve shqiptare ne stilin "antimafia" per shkuljen e rrenjeve te organizatave terroriste greke ne Shqiperi. Nje hetim qe do conte ne nje skandal te madh, edhe per vete shtetin grek. Fatkeqsisht shteti shqiptar nuk besoj qe i ka "goglat", momentalisht, per kete pune.

Ti mirr e ke o vlla , po neve skemi as ushtri as gje ..

[Dorian]

Ali Pasha raped the ass of thousand of vlachs like you, so what's the point of posting all these videos?

Bla bla..don't talk to me frying-pan headed subhuman,come and clean my toilet,I have 50cents for you.

[Ujku]

Bla bla..don't talk to me frying-pan headed subhuman,come and clean my toilet,I have 50cents for you.

You are a typical Greek , you act like a kid . You insult like a woman .

You need some besa in your life .

[Coolguy1]

Only moron I see here is you, that I can’t be bothered with explaining the diversity of a group that started expanding 18000 years ago.

Wasn’t specifically speaking about Aromanians, but Vlahs including Romanians. I am sure they are probably Greeks too, right, including the J2a Vlahs of Serbia and Montenegro.

Mental midget, don't insinuate that a couple Greek samples being I2a means thats these people are Slavs. We both know your country is littered with the same haplogroup. I obviously understand that J2a is an old and diverse haplogroup, and it has a high rate of diversity in Greece. Im making the point that its elevation in southern Albania compared to the north is no coincidence, especially when the region has a Greek history spanning for thousands of years. I highly doubt that a couple thousands Vlach families were the main propagators of J2a and its subclades in southern Albania, but believe whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.

[Ujku]

Edhe na lol, Lezhjanet njihen per arm

Berati edhe vlora jan plot me arme . E gjith shqiperia eshte plot hahah

This Greek dude was tought because he used to live in a Greek populated area. I would love to see him try the same shit a little bit norther in Vlora.

[Papastratosels26]

Albanians, Macedonians, Bulgarians, Turks will descend on Greece and take a massive dump. You will drown in our excrement.Μολων Λάβε Come and get them.

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[Ujku]

Μολων Λάβε Come and get them.

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We Albanian don't attack , we only protect . Attacking and backstabing is a typical Greek thing .

[Kelmendasi]

Mental midget, don't insinuate that a couple Greek samples being I2a means thats these people are Slavs. We both know your country is littered with the same haplogroup. I obviously understand that J2a is an old and diverse haplogroup, and it has a high rate of diversity in Greece. Im making the point that its elevation in southern Albania compared to the north is no coincidence, especially when the region has a Greek history spanning for thousands of years. I highly doubt that a couple thousands Vlach families were the main propagators of J2a and its subclades in southern Albania, but believe whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
As of now this is applying to you more, you are choosing to not look at subclades and generalise. It was already pointed out that multiple J2a Albanian Tosks belong to clades not linked to Greeks but other populations. The north has a lack of Vlachs whilst the south has a higher number, I could use the same argument. Sure a large amount could be Greek in origin but you have to acknowledge that a large number isn't

[Coolguy1]

As of now this is applying to you more, you are choosing to not look at subclades and generalise. It was already pointed out that multiple J2a Albanian Tosks belong to clades not linked to Greeks but other populations. The north has a lack of Vlachs whilst the south has a higher number, I could use the same argument.

Kelmendasi, I never said that Aromanians did not play a role in spreading J2a in southern Albania. They probably did to a small extent, and im sure there may be some Albanians with clades that are not found in Greeks. I said that it most likely that Greeks were the main propagators of J2a which makes sense from a historical point of view. If you guys want to deny this, then that's your problem.

[ilir]

All your heroes drug dealers and mentally sick. Really fucked up.

https://www.balkanweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/bntgb.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

Kelmendasi, I never said that Aromanians did not play a role in spreading J2a in southern Albania. They probably did to a small extent, and im sure there may be some Albanians with clades that are not found in Greeks. I said that it most likely that Greeks were the main propagators of J2a which makes sense from a historical point of view. If you guys want to deny this, then that's your problem.
Well perhaps I misunderstood somewhat. Thought you were denying the Vlach origin of some clades. Sure a large amount may be Greek in origin but a good amount also isn't and comes from other sources.

[Dorian]

Albanians, Macedonians, Bulgarians, Turks will descend on Greece and take a massive dump. You will drown in our excrement.

Well only with such an alliance you can hope for something my slavic untermensch,If we go for ww3 then everything is possible,maybe it will be me and the rest of Greeks happily taking a dump to your graves.But it's natural,many great civilizations and tribes ceased to exist,If it will be us It won't matter,till the end of the world you will be our inferiors,the world will remember a glorious lost tribe and you guys will always remain a shithole,and when your nation ceases to exist too,well none will remember you,that's our difference monkey.

[Crn Volk]

Can you prove that you are 100% Greek?

Your haplo Btw is not Greek.And I am 100% sure that you have never tested before.

Also your village florina is the most Slavic influenced region in Greece.

Yep

[Papastratosels26]

Well only with such an alliance you can hope for something my slavic untermensch,If we go for ww3 then everything is possible,maybe it will be me and the rest of Greeks happily taking a dump to your graves.But it's natural,many great civilizations and tribes ceased to exist,If it will be us It won't matter,till the end of the world you will be our inferiors,the world will remember a glorious lost tribe and you guys will always remain a shithole,and when your nation ceases to exist too,well none will remember you,that's our difference monkey.Άστους να λένε αδερφέ. Σκυλος που γαυγίζει μην το φοβάσαι.

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[Dorian]

You are a typical Greek , you act like a kid . You insult like a woman .

You need some besa in your life .

Lol the irony.