All Europeans are distant cousins if you go back just 1500 years, scientists say

[Peterski]

We all have 2 parents, which require 4 grandparents, which require 8 great grandparents and so on, up until this:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FjqO8iC4XrA/VcqyFHqB7HI/AAAAAAAAK_U/RoDoDNd1OVY/s1600/Grandparents.png

And there simply wasn't this many people alive.

Are we all related after all?

There was a genetic study tackling this issue:

https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/all-europeans-are-related-if-you-go-back-just-1-6C9826523

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001555

[Peterski]

And Slavic populations as well as their neighbours have especially high numbers of shared ancestors with each other, dating back to the Migration Period (ca. 400-700 AD). Relevant quote from the study:

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001555

"There is also substantial regional variation in the number of shared genetic ancestors. For example, there are especially high numbers of common ancestors shared between many eastern populations that date roughly to the migration period (which includes the Slavic and Hunnic expansions into that region). (...) Few of us know our family histories more than a few generations back. It is therefore easy to overlook the fact that we are all distant cousins, related to one another via a vast network of relationships. Here we use genome-wide data from European individuals to investigate these relationships over the past 3,000 years, by looking for long stretches of genome that are shared between pairs of individuals through their inheritance from common genetic ancestors. We quantify this ubiquitous recent common ancestry, showing for instance that even pairs of individuals from opposite ends of Europe share hundreds of genetic common ancestors over this time period. Despite this degree of commonality, there are also striking regional differences. Southeastern Europeans, for example, share large numbers of common ancestors that date roughly to the era of the Slavic and Hunnic expansions around 1,500 years ago, while most common ancestors that Italians share with other populations lived longer than 2,500 years ago."

[Caveat Emptor]

The number of Europeans related to Charlemagne alone is huge.

I used to think that all Europeans are ultimately related going back to the Yamnaya and the Proto-Indo-Europeans, but there's no need to go back this far at all.

[J. Ketch]

You share less than 1% of your ancestry with all Europeans going back that far, but you share the majority of your ancestry with people of your nation, 1500 years ago. One is meaningful, the other not so much.

After about 300 years or 10 generations, I don't really care about descent from any individuals tbh, they're irrelevant. The national/regional gene pool is all that matters.

[Lucas]

You share less than 1% of your ancestry with all Europeans going back that far, but you share the majority of your ancestry with people of your nation, 1500 years ago. One is meaningful, the other not so much.

After about 300 years or 10 generations, I don't really care about descent from any individuals tbh, they're irrelevant. The national/regional gene pool is all that matters.

THIS

[TeutonicBoyars]

You share less than 1% of your ancestry with all Europeans going back that far, but you share the majority of your ancestry with people of your nation, 1500 years ago. One is meaningful, the other not so much.

After about 300 years or 10 generations, I don't really care about descent from any individuals tbh, they're irrelevant. The national/regional gene pool is all that matters.

I don't care. I literally wuz Charlemagne and Rurik and Otto and Rudolf and Henry and all those other homies. Nothing you say can change this.

[Marolinepint]

You share less than 1% of your ancestry with all Europeans going back that far, but you share the majority of your ancestry with people of your nation, 1500 years ago. One is meaningful, the other not so much.

After about 300 years or 10 generations, I don't really care about descent from any individuals tbh, they're irrelevant. The national/regional gene pool is all that matters.

This, the matter is not if you're descended from Charlemagne or let's say Sammy the proto-Indoeuropean, but more how many times and how many lines are you descended from/can you trace back to Charlemagne or Sammy. Let's say i'm Sardinian, out of my 32 great-great-great grandparents, 3 or 4 will have Charlemagne as an ancestor. But if i'm Dutch, 25/32 will.

[MercifulServant]

Sharing 32nd great grandparents or whatever doesn’t mean anything. That’s much less than 1% of your overall DNA.

[Peterski]

This, the matter is not if you're descended from Charlemagne or let's say Sammy the proto-Indoeuropean, but more how many times and how many lines are you descended from/can you trace back to Charlemagne or Sammy. Let's say i'm Sardinian, out of my 32 great-great-great grandparents, 3 or 4 will have Charlemagne as an ancestor. But if i'm Dutch, 25/32 will.
THIS
I don't care.

Do you guys think I'm descended multiple times (in many lines) from everyone who lived in Early Piast Poland ca. 1020 AD?:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Poland1020.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Poland1020.png

^^^
I think I am, considering that entire area shown in the map above probably had no more than 1.5 - 2 million people back then.

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Edit:

Queen Elisabeth is descended from Mieszko I, in at least two lines:

https://i.imgur.com/IJMsmY8.png

George Washington is descended from Mieszko I:

http://x0.wykop.pl/cdn/c0834752/01ujrTs_XeFmmCz9g42IPz8joTEhY5yO322sNeS7,wat600.jp g?author=yosemitesam&auth=c78d0d316ac231e1caef1d45522f272a

Obama is descended from Mieszko I too:

http://x0.wykop.pl/cdn/c0834752/11ujrU1_XeFmmCz9g42IPz8joTEhY5yO322sNeS7,wat600.jp g?author=yosemitesam&auth=c78d0d316ac231e1caef1d45522f272a

[Cernunnos]

Hello cousins! xD

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[Peterski]

Hello cousins! xD

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Hello Medieval cousins, let's have a party:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaRNvJLKP1E

[Marolinepint]

Do you guys think I'm descended multiple times (in many lines) from everyone who lived in Early Piast Poland ca. 1020 AD?:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Poland1020.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Poland1020.png

^^^
I think I am, considering that entire area shown in the map above probably had no more than 1.5 - 2 million people back then.


From all the people? No, many died without having kids and many lines disappeared.

[IncelSlayer]

What is Peterski trying to say, is that everyone is related to poles 1500 years ago

[Peterski]

From all the people? No, many died without having kids and many lines disappeared.

I mean from all those who had children and whose offspring survived.

[Peterski]

What is Peterski trying to say, is that everyone is related to poles 1500 years ago

:grouphug::bearhug::Hug00001::hug2::hug::grouphug:

That's why I only joined Permission Group "Polish" and didn't bother to join "Of The World", it's the same.

[Ülev]

nvmd

[TeutonicBoyars]

Hello Medieval cousins, let's have a party:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaRNvJLKP1E

*Gets drunk and pees in a shot glass*.

Party is over.

[Peterski]

*Gets drunk and pees in a shot glass*.

Party is over.

You're such a Debbie Downer.

[Lucas]

Do you guys think I'm descended multiple times (in many lines) from everyone who lived in Early Piast Poland ca. 1020 AD?:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Poland1020.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Poland1020.png

^^^
I think I am, considering that entire area shown in the map above probably had no more than 1.5 - 2 million people back then.

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Edit:

Queen Elisabeth is descended from Mieszko I, in at least two lines:

https://i.imgur.com/IJMsmY8.png

George Washington is descended from Mieszko I:

http://x0.wykop.pl/cdn/c0834752/01ujrTs_XeFmmCz9g42IPz8joTEhY5yO322sNeS7,wat600.jp g?author=yosemitesam&auth=c78d0d316ac231e1caef1d45522f272a

Obama is descended from Mieszko I too:

http://x0.wykop.pl/cdn/c0834752/11ujrU1_XeFmmCz9g42IPz8joTEhY5yO322sNeS7,wat600.jp g?author=yosemitesam&auth=c78d0d316ac231e1caef1d45522f272a

It makes sense only when we consider mtDNa (no one inherited from obvious reason it from Mieszko I).
Also Y-DNA not, because it was inheritance through women lines.
And autosomes were completely diluted after more than 7-8 generations.
So in individual cases it is bullshit.

But if we talk about intermarrying local population like Polish yes, could be some autosomal inheritance from deeper time because what you lack in one generation you receive in another from the same national gene pool.

[Norb]

not me

[Peterski]

And autosomes were completely diluted after more than 7-8 generations.

In some of his descendants they were, in others weren't. It is pure chance.

[Insuperable]

You share less than 1% of your ancestry with all Europeans going back that far, but you share the majority of your ancestry with people of your nation, 1500 years ago. One is meaningful, the other not so much.

After about 300 years or 10 generations, I don't really care about descent from any individuals tbh, they're irrelevant. The national/regional gene pool is all that matters.

https://media.giphy.com/media/2ilpCny5dook1eM8LX/giphy.gif

[Peterski]

https://media.giphy.com/media/2ilpCny5dook1eM8LX/giphy.gif

But this guy is of another race, isn't he?

[Insuperable]

But this guy is of another race, isn't he?

You have 20/20 vision.

[Sikeliot]

People in the middle of Sicily or on some remote Aegean island, also? Even Sardinians?