Peace in the Middle East

[Teutone]

What is your personal idea that could bring peace to the region?

What is your opinion about the reasons for the instability in the region?

Serious answers please

Cant wait for Stony,Phenix or Marmara

[Borealis]

Anti-inbreeding laws.

[TheMaestro]

The only thing that could bring peace to Middle-east is education. Terorism, separatism, corruption, destroying, wars are spoiled by uneducated untermensch.

[IncelSlayer]

USA should make a big fucking hole out of the Middle East, with its center in Mecca

[rein]

There’s already peace in many Middle Eastern countries. Just leave them be.

[TheMaestro]

USA should make a big fucking hole out of the Middle East, with its center in Mecca

Actually believe or not, but if imperialistic money hunting USA politicans wouldn't harvest in middle-east, nowaydays Arabs would be respected like Japanese in Europe.

[Teutone]

The only thing that could bring peace to Middle-east is education. Terorism, separatism, corruption, destroying, wars are spoiled by uneducated untermensch.

Education is not the solution, mostly a leftie argument. The preperators of 9/11 were all very educated and many other radical movements like the nazi movement were supported and lead by very educated people.

[The Lawspeaker]

USA should make a big fucking hole out of the Middle East, with its center in Mecca

I think the best solution would be to ban donations to both groups from the West (Jews or Arabs), deport both groups from the West and allow nature to run its course. We should, simply, not get involved. Instead of buying their oil - we are already looking elsewhere as well (Canada, the U.S, Norway and Russia are options) and we should just re-route shipping and other commercial routes so they can't be, inadvertently, shot down. Let them do to each other what they want - it doesn't concern us. And any politician that wants to make it our problem, should lose his seat immediately.

Our policy should be this: not our circus, not our monkeys !

[TheMaestro]

USA should make a big fucking hole out of the Middle East, with its center in Mecca

Why are you downvoting me you ugly faggot.

[TheMaestro]

Education is not the solution, mostly a leftie argument. The preperators of 9/11 were all very educated and many other radical movements like the nazi movement were supported and lead by very educated people.

Eduaction is actually the reason, Arab are dumb bunch, who literally got spoiled and baited by a religion to kill their won people, for someones sake. Would a well mannered and educated person take an AK, and kill his own people and blowhimself randomly in Europe? The only smart people are those who are leading those monkeys.

[IncelSlayer]

Actually believe or not, but if imperialistic money hunting USA politicans wouldn't harvest in middle-east, nowaydays Arabs would be respected like Japanese in Europe.

Good joke.Arabs were bottom of the barrel intellect piss drinking camel fuckers throughout their history, pre and post USA, and once they're out of oil, they will go back to their origins, while japanese people were and still are hard working, respectful,intelligent with a very rich culture.

[The Lawspeaker]

Eduaction is actually the reason, Arab are dumb bunch, who literally got spoiled and baited by a religion to kill their won people, for someones sake. Would a well mannered and educated person take an AK, and kill his own people and blowhimself randomly in Europe? The only smart people are those who are leading those monkeys.

How do you explain the fact that all Islamic terrorists that staged attacks here in Europe came from middle class, educated backgrounds ?

[TheMaestro]

Good joke.Arabs were bottom of the barrel intellect piss drinking camel fuckers throughout their history, pre and post USA, and once they're out of oil, they will go back to their origins, while japanese people were and still are hard working, respectful,intelligent with a very rich culture.

Oh really? Half of Europe was licking dick to Arab sheikhs and they are doing it until nowaydays, they saw Arabs won't just spread their legs, so USA just started a war there so they can have something from it. Do you even realise what kind of life Syrians had before US entered there? Yes Arabs maybe were 50 years behind us, but they could be on level of Dubai now if USA wouldn't do what they did, or should I say zionists handling the US muppets?

[Teutone]

Eduaction is actually the reason, Arab are dumb bunch, who literally got spoiled and baited by a religion to kill their won people, for someones sake. Would a well mannered and educated person take an AK, and kill his own people and blowhimself randomly in Europe? The only smart people are those who are leading those monkeys.

Were SS soldiers uneducated? Mohammed Atta uneducated?

[IncelSlayer]

but they could be on level of Dubai now

The only reason Dubai is on the level it is today, is because of oil and only oil.

[TheMaestro]

How do you explain the fact that all Islamic terrorists that staged attacks here in Europe came from middle class, educated backgrounds ?

You want to say to me that an educated man who has everything normal in his head is able to blowhimself in middle of the street? The person is clearly damaged case and believe me I don't like Arabs.

[Teutone]

Dubai also hires foreign workers and especially western architects, engineers and IT specialists. Nothing you witness there comes from the people of Dubai except the money from oil resources.

[The Lawspeaker]

You want to say to me that an educated man who has everything normal in his head is able to blowhimself in middle of the street? The person is clearly damaged case and believe me I don't like Arabs.

Let's be honest about it: it's normal behavior in their culture. Not in ours.

[TheMaestro]

Were SS soldiers uneducated? Mohammed Atta uneducated?

You want to compare SS soilders during world war with Arab sandnibbas terrorists? All those terrorist are neither ex-prisoners, plebs, retards or they have miserable lifes, no money, or their families are being held as a hostage.

[TheMaestro]

The only reason Dubai is on the level it is today, is because of oil and only oil.

Yeah and? Everybody is using their rescources not just Arabs, as I said if US didn't interfere most of the countries would be 80 years infront of their current stage.

[Teutone]

You want to compare SS soilders during world war with Arab sandnibbas terrorists? All those terrorist are neither ex-prisoners, plebs, retards or they have miserable lifes, no money, or their families are being held as a hostage.

I say that education doesnt prevent a psychopath from being a psychopath or follow radical ideologies.

There are way less educated nations that still manage to maintain political stability, for instance Ghana.

[Khamzat]

Bring Saddam back from the dead.

[rein]

The only reason Dubai is on the level it is today, is because of oil and only oil.

Dubai doesn’t have much oil. You’re thinking of Abu Dhabi.

[IncelSlayer]

What The Lawspeaker is saying.People forget Islam is a mongrelised judaic byproduct of arab culture.Beating your wife, stoning, torture,child raping, are part of arab culture.

[Khamzat]

Good joke.Arabs were bottom of the barrel intellect piss drinking camel fuckers throughout their history, pre and post USA, and once they're out of oil, they will go back to their origins, while japanese people were and still are hard working, respectful,intelligent with a very rich culture.
What exactly have Hungarians given to the world? Your greatest invention is the rubiks cube lol, talk about a pathetic people.

[rein]

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[Teutone]

The root of the instability are the colonial powers ruling over the middle east and after the independence, drawing borders and create nations completly ignoring the ethnic and religious differences within the new artifical countries.

Also the pan arabic movements of Haddad, Nasser or Assad were always destroyed by foreign powers.

[The Lawspeaker]

The root of the instability are the colonial powers ruling over the middle east and after the independence, drawing borders and create nations completly ignoring the ethnic and religious differences within the new artifical countries.

Also the pan arabic movements of Haddad, Nasser or Assad were always destroyed by foreign powers.
Aha. Tell me more about how the West was wrong and evil when the Arabs were at Poitiers.

[Teutone]

Aha. Tell me more about how the West was wrong and evil when the Arabs were at Poitiers.

What has this to do with evil when there were no bad intentions but complete incompetence by French and Brittish authorities?

And I can tell you plenty of conflicts were the NATO and therfor the west violated international law and started massacres from Serbia to Syria.

So frankly fuck this West and Nato.

[StonyArabia]

Good joke.Arabs were bottom of the barrel intellect piss drinking camel fuckers throughout their history, pre and post USA, and once they're out of oil, they will go back to their origins, while japanese people were and still are hard working, respectful,intelligent with a very rich culture.

Coming from a Romanian that's rich dude

[StonyArabia]

The only reason Dubai is on the level it is today, is because of oil and only oil.

No Romanian Dubai has very little oil. Educate yourself from your Romanian hut

[The Lawspeaker]

What has this to do with evil when there were no bad intentions but complete incompetence by French and Brittish authorities?

And I can tell you plenty of conflicts were the NATO and therfor the west violated international law and started massacres from Serbia to Syria.

So frankly fuck this West and Nato.

Too much ZDF white guilt, my friend ? You must have forgotten the fact that they have been attacking us since 714 AD.

[Ayetooey]

Close the borders, fuck them off, give free money to NONE OF THEM, including Israel. Never invade or get involved with any of these countries, trade and only trade.

West makes Middle East worse 99 percent of the time.

[Teutone]

Too much ZDF white guilt, my friend ? You must have forgotten the fact that they have been attacking us since 714 AD.

Where is there any guilt? You are just stuck at the surface, thinking a complex problem has a easy answer and same time fail to educate yourself about the roots of the conflicts.

"They" abonded political islam till the west one by one teared down every secular country in the region.

Only a uneducated fool can support the west or even identifies with it.

[Ayetooey]

Where is there any guilt? You are just stuck at the surface, thinking a complex problem has a easy answer and same time fail to educate yourself about the roots of the conflicts.

"They" abonded political islam till the west one by one teared down every secular country in the region.

Only a uneducated fool can support the west or even identifies with it.

This is true, with the Wests support every single left leaning, secular "dictator" was overthrown or brutally murdered and replaced with Islamist tribal savages. Assad is the only bastion of hope remaining, may Allah bless him.

[The Lawspeaker]

Where is there any guilt? You are just stuck at the surface, thinking a complex problem has a easy answer and same time fail to educate yourself about the roots of the conflicts.

"They" abonded political islam till the west one by one teared down every secular country in the region.

Only a uneducated fool can support the west or even identifies with it.
The only examples of "abandoned political Islam" can be found in former Soviet client states in the Middle East. Do you identity with those ?

[Haider]

Right of return for Palestinian refugees and further division along sectarian lines for other countries.

[Teutone]

The only "abandoned political Islam" was one followed by former Soviet client states in the Middle East. Do you identity with those ?

Again no education, the only real client State was Afghanistan and it was waaaaay better off with the communist leader.

Syria, Egypt, Iraq and Lybia were arab socialist republics but never controlled by soviets and even maintained friendly relationships with the USA, very much like yugoslavia.

Arabic socialism lead to more positive development than privatize oil fields for the sake of exxon or BP while supporting Al Quaida to later fight them to keep the military industrial complex alive.

[The Lawspeaker]

Again no education, the only real client State was Afghanistan and it was waaaaay better off with the communist leader.

Syria, Egypt, Iraq and Lybia were arab socialist republics but never controlled by soviets and even maintained friendly relationships with the USA, very much like yugoslavia.

Arabic socialism lead to more positive development than privatize oil fields for the sake of exxon or BP while supporting Al Quaida to later fight them to keep the military industrial complex alive.
You know: let's withdraw then, stop investing, pull out our oil companies, take the oil from somewhere else and watch them collapse.

[StonyArabia]

To answer this question is quite simple the West should stop interference and also they should halt their funds to Israel. This would be the first step. For example the Americans used to fund both Islamist and minority group nationalism to cause mayhem like in Iraq for example. Iraq did not needed the West and was making quite the progress. But we had many traitors who are now crying like bitches imao.

[Teutone]

You know: let's withdraw then, stop investing, pull out our oil companies, take the oil from somewhere else and watch them collapse.

They wouldnt collapse but prosper if "we" back off from the region.

[The Lawspeaker]

They wouldnt collapse but prosper if "we" back off from the region.

I don't think they would: they woudn't have people that want to invest in them.

[Teutone]

To answer this question is quite simple the West should stop interference and also they should halt their funds to Israel. This would be the first step. For example the Americans used to fund both Islamist and minority group nationalism to cause mayhem like in Iraq for example. Of course it's very complex to answer this question.

America is creating its future enemies of popouse, first arm them and display them as freedom fighters, make them collapse the government, let exxon mobile take over the oil fields, declare the former freedom fighters as terrorists, bomb them.

A pattern so obvious

[Teutone]

I don't think they would: they woudn't have people that want to invest in them.

China and Russia.

Syria was pretty well off and Iran too

Factually the west is holding them down with embargos.

[Haider]

When the Ayatollah regime in Iran comes to an end in about 20 years half of the ME's problems will be solved. And even more when the gulf states run out of oil in about 50 years.

[The Lawspeaker]

China and Russia.

Syria was pretty well off and Iran too

Factually the west is holding them down with embargos.

Actually: Russia's economy is down the drain and has been since the days the Soviets took over. China would collapse without Western industries and Western investment. If the West pulls out today, China would be back in the 1970s by the end of this decade.

[StonyArabia]

They wouldnt collapse but prosper if "we" back off from the region.

Baghdad was called Tokyo of the Arab world should speak enough on the situation. The problem was that Iraq had some minority groups aligned with Israel, well others wanted a religious government and had ties to Iran, and some wanted a Muslim brotherhood type of government. These people all hoped that the former nationalist government will break, and they will rule, despite this what happened after 2003, the country which was progressive and making in roads to industrialization, strong economy and currency and was not dependent on oil, became a destroyed nation and regressed into backwardness. Shia Islamists have the most seat, Muslim brotherhood does as well, and of course other parties, but the nationalist/Arab nationalist were removed from power completely by the U.S in the debaathification program. This also lead to brain drain, and thus the West is benefiting from this, and these nations are harmed by it as well.

[Teutone]

Actually: Russia's economy is down the drain and has been since the days the Soviets took over. China would collapse without Western industries and Western investment. If the West pulls out today, China would be back in the 1970s by the end of this decade.

Trade depends on several sides, the glorious western fuck companies as apple depend on china and not vice versa.

Stop idolizing the corrupt anti white west, real nationalist are anti imperialistic, anti globalist and anti foreign interventions.

You are more the Mitt Romney Cuckservative "dem arabs r commie nd muslim let bumb dem" type of patriot.

I despite this camp as much as the left.

[The Lawspeaker]

Trade depends on several sides, the glorious western fuck companies as apple depend on china and not vice versa.

Stop idolizing the corrupt anti white west, real nationalist are anti imperialistic, anti globalist and anti foreign interventions.

You are more the Mitt Romney Cuckservative "dem arabs r commie nd muslim let bumb dem" type of patriot.

I despite this camp as much as the left.

Actually: I want to move all industries back to the West. I want jobs here, not abroad. And I don't care if the Arabs or Chinese face a deep recession and starve to death when that happens. It's not our problem.

[Teutone]

Baghdad was called Tokyo of the Arab world should speak enough on the situation. The problem was that Iraq had some minority groups aligned with Israel, well others wanted a religious government and had ties to Iran, and some wanted a Muslim brotherhood type of government. These people all hoped that the former nationalist government will break, and they will rule, despite this what happened after 2003, the country which was progressive and making in roads to industrialization, strong economy and currency and was not dependent on oil, became a destroyed nation and regressed into backwardness. Shia Islamists have the most seat, Muslim brotherhood does as well, and of course other parties, but the nationalist/Arab nationalist were removed from power completely by the U.S in the debaathification program. This also lead to brain drain, and thus the West is benefiting from this, and these nations are harmed by it as well.

Many true points but Sadam made many stupid decisions leading to the downfall. Iraq would have been better off with a smarter leader.

[Teutone]

Actually: I want to move all industries back to the West. I want jobs here, not abroad. And I don't care if the Arabs or Chinese face a deep recession and starve to death when that happens. It's not our problem.

As a ethno nationalist I support every ethnicity wanting to achieve a ethnostate and seek friendship not war.

If I had something to say Assad would be a partner helping us resettle the refugees to syria and stop further from coming.

But the west is lead by ethnomasochist bastards and inhabited by a complete degenerated population.


Point the finger on yourself before you point it on others.

[StonyArabia]

Many true points but Sadam made many stupid decisions leading to the downfall. Iraq would have been better off with a smarter leader.

He had to fight battles from all fronts, it's actually amazing he lasted this long. He had war from the North, he had war from the East and war from the South. That said he did mistakes yes, but he also suffered heavy black propaganda and defamation. That said his younger son, should have taken over and probably would have lead the nation to a better place but he passed away as he fought the Americans hands on. That said we progressed without the need of Western aide, and we never needed it. The Americans and their allies only brought to us cancers, deformities, sectarian, and ethnic hate, so where is the democracy? it does not exist. The leaders now that we have now are joke and scum, they plunder the nation's money and they invest in the Western nations mostly America and Britain, I wonder why? Yet they don't even help their own. Basra is completely a mess and with high poverty, and many regions in the South, other than the shrine cities which have some investments, but even then it does not compare to what America and Britain get, and from the plunder of the oil resources. I believe one of the American leaders also plundered the Gold reserves of Iraq Bremer. Of course there were traitor scum among us to, but many heroes who fought for their honor especially in the Western regions.

[Dragoon]

The Middle Eastern question is very difficult.

You have local powers fighting (Turkey, Iran, Israel, Saudi, Egypt), world powers involved as well (US, Rus, France, UK), extremists groups,
fighting for control in the region. Makes a big mess.

For the Israel/Palestine thing...

Maybe the Palestinians can give the Jews, the West bank, or Gaza Strip
in exchanged for better treatment / money.

Good would be if some of the Jews outside Israel would return fast (that would be best cause their lobbies and influence are annoying in US and elsewhere).

Israel has nukes, which gives them advantage. Turkey has large army and connected to NATO (also nuclear sharing).

Is one state, two state solutions the fix? Dont know.


“Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.”
John Sheehan, S.J. (a Jesuit priest)

[The Lawspeaker]

As a ethno nationalist I support every ethnicity wanting to achieve a ethnostate and seek friendship not war.

If I had something to say Assad would be a partner helping us resettle the refugees to syria and stop further from coming.

But the west is lead by ethnomasochist bastards and inhabited by a complete degenerated population.


Point the finger on yourself before you point it on others.
Why not point it at Islam who has been attacking us since the 8th century ?

[rein]

The Middle Eastern question is very difficult.

You have local powers fighting, world powers involved as well, extremists groups,
fighting for control in the region (Turkey, Iran, Israel, Saudi, Egypt).

Mixed feelings on the whole thing.

Maybe the Palestinians can give the Jews, the West bank, or Gaza Strip
in excchanged for better treatment / money.

Heck maybe some of the Jews outside Israel would return fast (that would be best cause their lobbies and influence are annoying in US and elsewhere).


Israel has nukes, which gives them advantage. Turkey has large army and connected to NATO (also nuclear sharing).


Is one state, two state solutions the fix? Dont know.

Clearly also outside powers are fighintg for control in the area (US, Russia, UK/France). Makes the whole area a mess.

“Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.”
John Sheehan, S.J. (a Jesuit priest)

Palestinians already barely have any land left and you want them to give it all to Israel?

[Dragoon]

Palestinians already barely have any land left and you want them to give it all to Israel?

Not all. Just exchange one of the areas for better treatment.
Another way to go is have a one state solution where all Palestine/Israel is one country.

Both obviously have flaws, because people wont give things up easily.

[rein]

Not all. Just exchange one of the areas for better treatment.
Another way to go is have a one state solution where all Palestine/Israel is one country.

Both obviously have flaws, because people wont give things up easily.

I doubt the treatment would improve either way.

[Dukagjini]

Stop offensive wars and get the f*** out.

[Marmara]

TheMaestro was right the first time, what Middle-East needs is education and culture shift. The way of thinking of an average Middle-Easterner is the main reason of situation there. They are usually incapabable of making decision that would benefit them in the long term. All countries try to undermine each other, it has been like this since forever, so blaming West is just another way of Arabs to escape reaponsibility, why the West is able to undermine their governments so easily?

Islamic extremism/terrorism is only one face of the problem but i honestly think it's not the reason but result of unstability there.Baath dictators (Assad, Saddam) were in fact terrible people ruled by oppression, but it's the only way keeping the country together tells you something.

[Teutone]

Why not point it at Islam who has been attacking us since the 8th century ?

Not aware of Iraq, Lybia, Syria or Afghanistan ever attacking my country?

[Teutone]

He had to fight battles from all fronts, it's actually amazing he lasted this long. He had war from the North, he had war from the East and war from the South. That said he did mistakes yes, but he also suffered heavy black propaganda and defamation. That said his younger son, should have taken over and probably would have lead the nation to a better place but he passed away as he fought the Americans hands on. That said we progressed without the need of Western aide, and we never needed it. The Americans and their allies only brought to us cancers, deformities, sectarian, and ethnic hate, so where is the democracy? it does not exist. The leaders now that we have now are joke and scum, they plunder the nation's money and they invest in the Western nations mostly America and Britain, I wonder why? Yet they don't even help their own. Basra is completely a mess and with high poverty, and many regions in the South, other than the shrine cities which have some investments, but even then it does not compare to what America and Britain get, and from the plunder of the oil resources. I believe one of the American leaders also plundered the Gold reserves of Iraq Bremer. Of course there were traitor scum among us to, but many heroes who fought for their honor especially in the Western regions.

The gas attack against Kurds, gulf war and Iran war were stupid and dont let me get started with his sons, especially Udai.

[StonyArabia]

The gas attack against Kurds, gulf war and Iran war were stupid and dont let me get started with his sons, especially Udai.

I agree the war with Iran happened because they were moving into our borders and also creating proxies problems in the region. As for the first even Western journalist are questioning if it did happen or it was Iran who did it. Iran also used chemical weapons on Iraq, and many things were black propaganda just like the stories of Kuwait.The Iran war was encouraged by the Western powers and both sides get played. However the mullahs and Iran in general always wanted to expand their influence to Iraq thus it was defensive. The stupidest mistake was going through Kuwait but Kuwait is our land, which the Anglo colonizers split up from us. Udai well he had a lot of issues, but he redeemed himself when he fought. Qusay was going to be the successor, anyways and was more fit to rule than his father or his brother but this did not happen. The majority even if they were not supporters of him, believe he is better with the new Anglo-Iranian imposed puppets. Omanis/Bahrainis/Emiratis prefer him over their own leaders, as they see him a hero who stood against imperialism speak enough. The West only aided Kuwait, because they feared that we will secure the oil and eventually unify the Arabian peninsula. In fact Kuwait fell, and their leader was a coward when fled. He did not even defend his fake nation. The West did massive black propaganda campaign. Everything is coming to light it seems. One thing I liked how he was defiant and made the court into a joke.

The guys who have replaced him are bunch of pathetic losers, and would run away. Was he a saint no politician is, was he an angel no politician is such. Did he want his nation free and progressive yes.

[Marmara]

I agree the war with Iran happened because they were moving into our borders and also creating proxies problems in the region. As for the first even Western journalist are questioning if it did happen or it was Iran who did it. Iran also used chemical weapons on Iraq, and many things were black propaganda just like the stories of Kuwait.The Iran war was encouraged by the Western powers and both sides get played. However the mullahs and Iran in general always wanted to expand their influence to Iraq thus it was defensive. The stupidest mistake was going through Kuwait but Kuwait is our land, which the Anglo colonizers split up from us. Udai well he had a lot of issues, but he redeemed himself when he fought. Qusay was going to be the successor, anyways and was more fit to rule than his father or his brother but this did not happen. The majority even if they were not supporters of him, believe he is better with the new Anglo-Iranian imposed puppets. Omanis/Bahrainis/Emiratis prefer him over their own leaders, as they see him a hero who stood against imperialism speak enough. The West only aided Kuwait, because they feared that we will secure the oil and eventually unify the Arabian peninsula. In fact Kuwait fell, and their leader was a coward when fled. He did not even defend his fake nation. The West did massive black propaganda campaign. Everything is coming to light it seems. One thing I liked how he was defiant and made the court into a joke.

The guys who have replaced him are bunch of pathetic losers, and would run away. Was he a saint no politician is, was he an angel no politician is such. Did he want his nation free and progressive yes.

He wasn't a strategist, he declared war head on, gambled and lost Iraq.

[StonyArabia]

He wasn't a strategist, he declared war head on, gambled and lost Iraq.

He was not a military guy and did interfere with the advisors which was problematic. We did not lose the Iran war. We had to teach them a lesson, always harassing our borders and always wanting to expand their accursed influence upon us. The problem was that war took to long and they were the ones who called for cease fire. We took lands from them but gave it back. The problem was the Kuwait war, this when it went wrong. All fronts were against Iraq, so it was lost. The Americans lied. Without Western interference all of the peninsula would have fallen, he has many supporters among them that this day. The biggest mistake was Kuwait, but I don't hate them, after all blood is thicker than water but they are brainwashed by the Anglo-Americans, when in reality they belong to us. However I heavily dislike Iran and has been harassing us for the past 500 years. It's good they got their noses bruised.

[Marmara]

He was not a military guy and did interfere with the advisors which was problematic. We did not lose the Iran war. We had to teach them a lesson, always harassing our borders and always wanting to expand their accursed influence upon us. The problem was that war took to long and they were the ones who called for cease fire. We took lands from them but gave it back. The problem was the Kuwait war, this when it went wrong. All fronts were against Iraq, so it was lost. The Americans lied. Without Western interference all of the peninsula would have fallen, he has many supporters among them that this day. The biggest mistake was Kuwait, but I don't hate them, after all blood is thicker than water but they are brainwashed by the Anglo-Americans, when in reality they belong to us. However I heavily dislike Iran and has been harassing us for the past 500 years. It's good they got their noses bruised.

This wasn't a mistake?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_campaign

[StonyArabia]

This wasn't a mistake?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_campaign

Well it's complicated, the regime became more religious in order to protect itself from Muslim brotherhood and Iranian loyalists, as well Salafist groups. They were Hanafi Sunnis, however after the collapse of the regime these people took on the naqashbandi Sufi way calling themselves Army of the Naqashbandi. It's believed that when Saddam was in jail he became very religious, at least what the courts say. Few of any adopted full out right Salafism, allied yes to get the Americans out. He probably wanted to Sunnify the country in subtle ways.

[Marmara]

Well it's complicated, the regime became more religious in order to protect itself from Muslim brotherhood and Iranian loyalists, as well Salafist groups. They were Hanafi Sunnis, however after the collapse of the regime these people took on the naqashbandi Sufi way calling themselves Army of the Naqashbandi. It's believed that when Saddam was in jail he became very religious, at least what the courts say. Few of any adopted full out right Salafism, allied yes to get the Americans out. He probably wanted to Sunnify the country in subtle ways.

It WAS a mistake. He gave Islamists what they wanted, Saddam did it even when rest of Baathists were against it.

[arkas]

Ask Doc if you can borrow his delorean so you can stop the spread of Islam from Mecca in the 7th century, simple.

[Incal]

Any line with the words 'Middle East' and 'peace' is an oxymoron.

[The Lawspeaker]

Not aware of Iraq, Lybia, Syria or Afghanistan ever attacking my country?

Islam has. And Muslims themselves would be happy to tell you that they just want to take over Europe.

[Teutone]

Islam has. And Muslims themselves would be happy to tell you that they just want to take over Europe.

Muslims are no monolith block, you are really the surface conservative.

[Teutone]

Stony you should ignore nationalist feelings and reflect more about Sadam.

[The Lawspeaker]

Muslims are no monolith block, you are really the surface conservative.

Oh really ? That makes you a surface "ooh us evil whites !" liberal then. I don't care about the interests of Muslims as long as they're not in Europe. I don't care who holds them down but they should be permanently held under a boot because there are two ways to deal with them: either they're on their knees or they are at your throat. It's the same with f.i Jews.

[Jägerstaffel]

I think the best solution would be to ban donations to both groups from the West (Jews or Arabs), deport both groups from the West and allow nature to run its course. We should, simply, not get involved. Instead of buying their oil - we are already looking elsewhere as well (Canada, the U.S, Norway and Russia are options) and we should just re-route shipping and other commercial routes so they can't be, inadvertently, shot down. Let them do to each other what they want - it doesn't concern us. And any politician that wants to make it our problem, should lose his seat immediately.

Our policy should be this: not our circus, not our monkeys !

This is the only reasonable answer. We cannot fix their mess.

[Teutone]

Oh really ? That makes you a surface "ooh us evil whites !" liberal then. I don't care about the interests of Muslims as long as they're not in Europe. I don't care who holds them down but they should be permanently held under a boot because there are two ways to deal with them: either they're on their knees or they are at your throat. It's the same with f.i Jews.

No because I dont connect the US and Franco-Anglo foreign politics to my race or my people. Infact its leading to the downfall of my people.

[The Lawspeaker]

No because I dont connect the US and Franco-Anglo foreign politics to my race or my people. Infact its leading to the downfall of my people.

I would be in favour of starving them from all funds, economic development (zero investment), food (they have to import that as well) ways out through emigration if that is what it takes to hold them down. In fact: since the West controls the sealanes, I would make any of their oil exports to China impossible as well. That way, we don't have to literary interfere there but we can still crush them in order for them to stop invading us. For the rest, we shouldn't get involved in their internal situation: let them kill, rape, plunder each other to their heart's content. Let them each other into slavery, if they have to. As long as they don't bother us, it's not our problem.

[StonyArabia]

This is the only reasonable answer. We cannot fix their mess.

Which you created ?

[Jägerstaffel]

Which you created ?

Not me. My government hasn't reliably represented my interests and the interests of my people for a long time.

Nice try though.

[StonyArabia]

Not me. My government hasn't reliably represented my interests and the interests of my people for a long time.

Nice try though.

I never meant you personally btw. However it was your government that's responsible for the situation in the Mideast and some other Western governments. I agree that your government have not the same interest as the citizen, but the citizens if actually were awakened they can do something about it. However most of the citizens are extremely distracted or brainwashed. For example many Americans supported the Iraq war according to the polls, but they did not expect it's outcome or the effect it was going to happen and it's probably they were brainwashed, lied to, and yes distracted. The migration crisis and the Syrian civil war both trace to it for example. I agree that Western governments like that of the U.S should use the money they spent on the war efforts in the Mideast, on itself like dealing with problem of student debt, healthcare, and improving poor public schools. Don't blame us, blame your governments.

[Jägerstaffel]

I never meant you personally btw. However it was your government that's responsible for the situation in the Mideast and some other Western governments. I agree that your government have not the same interest as the citizen, but the citizens if actually were awakened they can do something about it. However most of the citizens are extremely distracted or brainwashed. For example many Americans supported the Iraq war according to the polls, but they did not expect it's outcome or the effect it was going to happen and it's probably they were brainwashed, lied to, and yes distracted. The migration crisis and the Syrian civil war both trace to it for example. I agree that Western governments like that of the U.S should use the money they spent on the war efforts in the Mideast, on itself like dealing with problem of student debt, healthcare, and improving poor public schools. Don't blame us, blame your governments.

I don't care who is to blame. My country is in shambles and I'm not supporting spending a fucking dollar on another foreigner. We're damned if we do one way or another.

Again, it's not MY mess and I won't agree to shoulder the burden.

The thread's topic is what would I do to fix the Middle East. The answer to that is; I wouldn't do a damned thing.