Katy Perry can pass for Iberian... true or false?

[Iloko]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/960x540/p01khvxr.jpg

[Bobby Martnen]

too northern looking

[xtal]

Not really

[Bobby Martnen]

She looks so much better without the butch haircut.

[Cernunnos]

Doesn't look at the first sight, but can pass.

[Ruggery]

Doesn't look at the first sight, but can pass.

And Tom Hanks? i read that he has Portuguese ancestry
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6a/18/77/6a1877bc583e854b764cbc8c654804d6.jpg

[Cernunnos]

And Tom Hanks? i read that he has Portuguese ancestry
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6a/18/77/6a1877bc583e854b764cbc8c654804d6.jpg

Ofc, when I poted my parents here, some said my fathers gives a Tom Hanks vibe, he is 50% Portuguese (from the Azores).

[PT Tagus]

She has partial portuguese ancestry, more specifically "Azorean" with roots in Horta (Faial Island), but can not pass for Iberian.
She is also part Irish, German and English.

[Ruggery]

Ofc, when I poted my parents here, some said my fathers gives a Tom Hanks vibe, he is 50% Portuguese (from the Azores).

So we could say that Tom Hanks looks almost typical Portugues?

[Cernunnos]

So we could say that Tom Hanks looks almost typical Portugues?

Yes he can pass as typical but as a British vibe, from his father side I assume.

[Gauthier]

Hell yeah.

[Deneb]

Looks British to my eyes.

[JMack]

I don't think so. She looks too British to pass in Iberia, probbly would be called ''guiri'' in the Spanish summer.

[Latinus]

Maybe as atypical.

[Rouxinol]

She can pass. Definitely not the most Northern European-looking person.

[Papastratosels26]

False

[Ruggery]

Atipical

[Suinthila]

There are a lot of spanish gals looking like her, even more beautiful.

But no please, she's blue eyed and blondine, she can never looks like an iberian. Iberian is always swarthy.

What a question, for god's sake.

Never.

[Ruggery]

There are a lot of spanish gals looking like her, even more beautiful.

But no please, she's blue eyed and blondine, she can never looks like an iberian. Iberian is always swarthy.

What a question, for god's sake.

Never.

That's obviously exaggerating not all of them look dark, but there are more brunette elements that blond in Iberia.

[El_Abominacion]

Nahh she does not look Iberian at all. Definitely a NW Euro mix

[Deneb]

There are a lot of spanish gals looking like her, even more beautiful.

But no please, she's blue eyed and blondine, she can never looks like an iberian. Iberian is always swarthy.

What a question, for god's sake.

Never.

This woman is brunette (if dyed IDK). Her facial features scream British.


BRITISH
https://i.ibb.co/zVhrZ3F/British.jpg (https://ibb.co/r2GmHB3)

SPANISH
https://i.ibb.co/YDwhYcc/Spanish.jpg (https://ibb.co/DGTQs99)
https://i.ibb.co/cJh5XMg/2.jpg (https://ibb.co/rk2PfT7)

[The Blade]

Can pass as Iberian of Gothic ancestry.
Of course, she's more typical for Northwestern Europe.

[Latinus]

Kate dyes her hair, the natural tone is a lighter brown shade.

[Ruggery]

Can pass as Iberian of Gothic ancestry.
Of course, she's more typical for Northwestern Europe.

The Goths do not look like that, I see she would pass more as of Celtic descent Asture.

[The Blade]

The Goths do not look like that, I see she would pass more as of Celtic descent Asture.
They didn't look like popstars with tons of makeup and hair dye, yes...
Other than that, they expressed several Northern looks among whom she could fit, I believe, and they belonged mainly to haplogroups I1 and R1a.
Perry is in fact naturally blonde (not that it is of huge importance):
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?243433-Classify-rank-best-to-worst-fit-Katy-Perry

[Cristiano viejo]

lol, of course she can, she looks a lot like this Spanish singer Sonia Gómez González, in fact I always thought they looked very alike

https://famousimportants.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/sonia-gc3b3mez.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/614843220225327105/woaMGmuZ.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/b0/05/39/b005390102d5109cae83b28266b4ec88--girl-bands-superheroes.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5a/33/95/5a3395789392b07e341bf0f31d592ccf.jpg

[NicodemoAS]

As Galician or Asturian, yes

[Cristiano viejo]

As Galician or Asturian, yes

I dont know if crying or laughing with this comment :lmao

[Latinus]

I dont know if crying or laughing with this comment :lmao

Why you say that? Is it because there are no significant diference between Spanish regions, which makes Katy Perry able to pass all over Spain?

[Creoda]

Probably. Doesn't look that British.

[MysteriousWays]

Hanks is decently typical as Portuguese IMO. Perry as Iberian...I think passable(?), but far from typical.

[Cristiano viejo]

Why you say that? Is it because there are no significant diference between Spanish regions, which makes Katy Perry able to pass all over Spain?

I have lived near three years in Galicia and no, there are no differences. The girl that I have posted and that looks a lot like Katy Perry is... from Andalusia :rolleyes:

[Morena]

I have lived near three years in Galicia and no, there are no differences. The girl that I have posted and that looks a lot like Katy Perry is... from Andalusia :rolleyes:

If anything, they should be darker because they have more North African than anyone else.

I also think that she could pass. I always thought so, even if she isn't typical.

[Regnera]

Doesn't look typical Iberian,but she can pass in Northern Iberia.

[Regnera]

The Goths do not look like that, I see she would pass more as of Celtic descent Asture.

Agree,I think KP's face have some Celtic influence

[Zroota]

Pass as atypical.

[Zuh]

She has partial portuguese ancestry, more specifically "Azorean" with roots in Horta (Faial Island), but can not pass for Iberian.
She is also part Irish, German and English.

Lmao more like a "quater" of Portuguese /Iberian ancestry.

[Cristiano viejo]

Pass as atypical.


Doesn't look typical Iberian,but she can pass in Northern Iberia.
No, nobody would think she is foreign, so she would not be atypical.

Also, there are no differences between North, Central and South Iberia.

[Aiwado]

Strongly NW looking. She can't pass.

[Cristiano viejo]

Strongly NW looking.
False.


She can't pass.

False. I already have posted an example of a Spanish girl that looks like her, so she obviously can pass.

[Xacal]

Pass as atypical

[Cristiano viejo]

Pass as atypical

So this Spanish singer pass in her own country as atypical too? :rolleyes:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xfmpJzHcCaQ/U0AVt-iXNBI/AAAAAAAAAB8/MnxMpBehZys/s1600/sdvsd.png

[Sp_loa]

I didn't see anyone mentioning she is a natural blonde and she just dyes her hair black.
Anyone she looks NW European to my eyes, not so much Iberian (but probably still passes as Spain is very diverse).

[Latinus]

I didn't see anyone mentioning she is a natural blonde and she just dyes her hair black.
Anyone she looks NW European to my eyes, not so much Iberian (but probably still passes as Spain is very diverse).

Don't know about being a natural blonde, but I did mention that the jet black hair of her's is not natural.

[swiftie13]

lol, of course she can, she looks a lot like this Spanish singer Sonia Gómez González, in fact I always thought they looked very alike

https://famousimportants.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/sonia-gc3b3mez.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/614843220225327105/woaMGmuZ.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/b0/05/39/b005390102d5109cae83b28266b4ec88--girl-bands-superheroes.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5a/33/95/5a3395789392b07e341bf0f31d592ccf.jpg

She can not .. shes too northern looking tho .. i wouldnt guess her as spanish not even italian .. beside the girl ypu posted look nothing like katy .. she looks too med influence while katy look NW european .. GET OVER IT ... not every white person you see passes as espangol for gods sake

[swiftie13]

Why you say that? Is it because there are no significant diference between Spanish regions, which makes Katy Perry able to pass all over Spain?

dont mind him .. he lost his mind already .. every white person he sees .. he get the spanish fever and passes him as iberian .hes so blind he cant see the over 3/4 of spain is med influence .. wouldnt be so surprised if he passes russians or fins ,swedes as dark spanish because he would believe that they are too dark to pass in spain.. only snow pass in spain ..
stop him he has become troll

[Cristiano viejo]

She can not .. shes too northern looking tho .. i wouldnt guess her as spanish not even italian .. beside the girl ypu posted look nothing like katy .. she looks too med influence while katy look NW european .. GET OVER IT ... not every white person you see passes as espangol for gods sake
They look alike, and a lot, like you or not :thumb001:

Med influence, the brown boy says :laugh:


dont mind him .. he lost his mind already .. every white person he sees .. he get the spanish fever and passes him as iberian .hes so blind he cant see the over 3/4 of spain is med influence .. wouldnt be so surprised if he passes russians or fins ,swedes as dark spanish because he would believe that they are too dark to pass in spain.. only snow pass in spain ..
stop him he has become troll
I am not who claims South Europeans and North Africans look alike.
And I am the troll... xD

[alnortedelsur]

Not as very typical, but not totally unpassable either. And lol at those that suggest she is too light for Iberian standards.

[Suinthila]

That's obviously exaggerating not all of them look dark, but there are more brunette elements that blond in Iberia.


how do you know?

[Ruggery]

how do you know?

Because it is something obvious :dunno:

[Suinthila]

Because it is something obvious :dunno:


Obvious?

At least, have you ever been to Iberia?

[Ruggery]

Obvious?

At least, have you ever been to Iberia?

Which of these 2 Spanish is more common in Spain?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZ3rEq6mxNonpVJ6lhtCyGFj1f5cAwJ 3688T1WCQiiOFeLB1BFlg
https://www.abc.es/media/deportes/2019/02/07/isco-twitter-kd0C--620x349@abc.jpg

[Latinus]

LOL, it's obvious that the majority of Iberians are brunette, WTF.

[Ruggery]

LOL, it's obvious that the majority of Iberians are brunette, WTF.

It depends on what you mean with brunette.

[Latinus]

It depends on what you mean with brunette.

Most Spaniards have dark hair, period. Not jet black and neither light brown or blonde.

[Ruggery]

Most Spaniards have dark hair, period. Not jet black and neither light brown or blonde.
That's true.

[aherne]

She can pass, but she's completely typical not just as British, but as French as well...

[Ruggery]

She can pass, but she's completely typical not just as British, but as French as well...

Only North French not South.

[Sp_loa]

Don't know about being a natural blonde, but I did mention that the jet black hair of her's is not natural.

This what I found as her natural:
https://cdn.cliqueinc.com/cache/posts/img/uploads/current/images/0/92/784/main.original.640x0c.jpg

Blondish color. Also very light eyebrows. Tho roots seem dark but I don't know if it's picture quality or not. But She also claims to be natural blonde so...

[Zroota]

No, nobody would think she is foreign, so she would not be atypical.

Also, there are no differences between North, Central and South Iberia.
It's not that she can't pass in the south. She just looks incredibly and stereotypically Celtic.

[Ruggery]

It's not that she can't pass in the south. She just looks incredibly and stereotypically Celtic.

Agree

[Knight Slayer]

Has a distinctly Irish look IMO. But could pass roughly.

[Segred]

She can pass.

[Pietro97]

Yes

she seems to be a little portuguese

[guyinsf]

Only North French not South.

She can pass pretty much anywhere in France. She's not that northern looking, she's just western/celtic looking. She's got that round alpine/atlantid look and that's pretty much a French thing anyways. Maybe she's a tad more typical for central and northern France but can still pass in southern France. She's got that same look as Zooey Deschanel who's partially French. That last name comes from Lyon.

[Gallop]

I am a full Spaniard and all my life I have lived in Spain like any native of your country and she can pass.

[NSXD60]

Nah, not even slightly swarthy, original hair hue light brown or blondish, face somewhat rectangular with slightly sharp angles and features, not as oval and blunted as most proper Iberians, so she'd eventually be asked to show her ID by authorities even if she spoke fluent Spanish. Ava Gardner who can't pass as Iberian either, would have been a better choice and caused intelligent debate before close observation revealed a more northerly origin, plus she was a big fan of Spain.

[alnortedelsur]

Nah, not even slightly swarthy, original hair hue light brown or blondish, face somewhat rectangular with slightly sharp angles and features, not as oval and blunted as most proper Iberians, so she'd eventually be asked to show her ID by authorities even if she spoke fluent Spanish. Ava Gardner who can't pass as Iberian either, would have been a better choice and caused intelligent debate before close observation revealed a more northerly origin, plus she was a big fan of Spain.

They both could pass in Spain, but cool story. Those NW Europeans who would stand out in Spain are only the extremely Nordic and squared featured ones like Leven Rambin, Conan O'Brien and the likes.

And since when all (or most) Spaniards are supposed to be swarthy? And since when Spaniards cannot have light brown hair or blue eyes? I got blue eyes and medium/light brown hair (depending on the lighting) and I am mostly of Spanish stock.

[NSXD60]

They both could pass in Spain, but cool story. Those NW Europeans who would stand out in Spain are only the extremely Nordic and squared featured ones like Leven Rambin, Conan O'Brien and the likes.

And since when all (or most) Spaniards are supposed to be swarthy? And since when Spaniards cannot have light brown hair or blue eyes. I got blue eyes and medium/light brown hair (depending on the lighting) and I am mostly of Spanish stock.
I'm speaking in generalities, of course some northerners look more Med than Nord, obviously Tom Jones, and the reverse also applies, but these are minorities.

[Erronkari]

They both could pass in Spain, but cool story. Those NW Europeans who would stand out in Spain are only the extremely Nordic and squared featured ones like Leven Rambin, Conan O'Brien and the likes.

And since when all (or most) Spaniards are supposed to be swarthy? And since when Spaniards cannot have light brown hair or blue eyes. I got blue eyes and medium/light brown hair (depending on the lighting) and I am mostly of Spanish stock.

Most pred Combe Capelle (Aurignacoid) britts or British and Germanic descendants usually pass reasonably in Iberia.
So Katy and Tom pass ok to me.

Who usually don’t pass are most Nordo-CM types.

Conclusion: In this case pigmentation is secondary but traits and morphologic structure is the most important.

At least in my humble opinion.

[alnortedelsur]

I'm speaking in generalities, of course some northerners look more Med than Nord, obviously Tom Jones, and the reverse also applies, but these are minorities.

Kate Perry is not super Nordic, nor she is particularly Med either. And her overall pigmentation and look is not out of the norm for Spain.

That she has blue eyes? big deal. Most Spaniards don't have blue eyes, but blue eyed Spaniards aren't uncommon either.

[alnortedelsur]

Most pred Combe Capelle (Aurignacoid) britts or British and Germanic descendants usually pass reasonably in Iberia.
So Katy and Tom pass ok to me.

Who usually don’t pass are most Nordo-CM types.

Conclusion: In this case pigmentation is secondary but traits and morphologic structure is the most important.

At least in my humble opinion.

Funny thing is that some people have this idea that even those central/Northern Europeans with very standard/intermediate European pigmentation (neither to pale/Nordic nor swarthy) and soft/roundish features like Katy Perry are still "too light" and "too northern shifted" for normal Iberian standards. lmao!

[Tooting Carmen]

I don't see why not. She isn't like Claudia Schiffer or Tilda Swinton, after all.

[alnortedelsur]

I don't see why not. She isn't like Claudia Schiffer or Tilda Swinton, after all.

When some people like NSXD60 talk about "just minorities" they think of Spaniards who look super Nordic and pale like the stereotypical ubber Nordic square faced NW Euro phenotype, and NW Euros who look ubber med like the stereotypical swarthy southern Euro they have in mind. And we agree that those two extremes are very minorities.

But they obviate that lots of NW Euros don't look like the stereotypical square faced/super pale/CM stereotype that would stand out in southern Europe, and most southern Euros don't look like the stereotypical swarthy-med that would stand out in central and northern Europe. MILLIONS of NW Euros and MILLIONS of southern Euros (including Iberians) are people with a more pan European/intermediate fair pigmentation and features than those extreme stereotypes. So the overlap is way bigger than just "unimportant minorities". With that said, NW Euros don't need to look swarthy and very med shifted to comfortably pass in Spain and/or other parts of Southern Europe, and Iberians or other southern Europeans don't need to look super blond and pale to comfortably blend in in NW Europe. Millions and millions of of southern Euros don't fit the swarthy med stereotype some people have in mind.

[Gallop]

https://dicomania.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/900katy-perry-rojo-grammy-770x513-1.jpg

La Kety Perry todos los días me la encuentro en la cola del pan, vamos ni que por ser americana y cantante fuese una Diosa del Olimpo. Los íberos? si los íberos o illyrians como ahora se nos conoce tenemos a la Dama de Elche o a la de Baza, con los íberos, ni que los íberos fuesen de otro planeta xd,
La Katy perry mola, todo hay que decirlo, sus temas buenísimos.


Va en serio, que el otro día estaba en la cola de un sitio, pero un buen ratazo, y estuve creyendo todo el rato que la Jesulina que también hacía cola era una inglesa, de estas que viven o vienen por aquí, porque me dijeron que era ella; este foro me está empezando a afectar.