Daco Celtic's AncestryDNA Update vs Original

[Daco Celtic]

New AncestryDNA Update from September 2018

https://i.imgur.com/yAcm7n9.jpg

Old Results

https://i.imgur.com/Terv1lW.jpg

New Map

https://i.imgur.com/SxIk8SN.jpg

[Daco Celtic]

Are you a Vlach?

I'm not sure to be honest. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm part Vlach. How does one know if they are "Vlach" Romanian? Greek influence?

[Daco Celtic]

Are you from Wallachia? Where in Romania were you born?

I wasn't born in Romania. My grandparents were raised near Ramnicu Valcea, south of Brasov.

[Daco Celtic]

What about your parents?

Both born in America

[Daco Celtic]

Do you speak Romanian?

Only a few bad words

[Daco Celtic]

the worst word is Bozgori, because it describes something revolting.

lol...I'll have to remember that one

[Turul Karom]

lol...I'll have to remember that one

Lol, he is saying to use specifically anti-Hungarian slang. Take a look at his profile and see his posts. He's just a troll messing around.

[Daco Celtic]

Lol, he is saying to use specifically anti-Hungarian slang. Take a look at his profile and see his posts. He's just a troll messing around.

Thanks for the heads up. I wasn’t planning on using that word anyway.

[Leto]

Interestingly, you are 70% Northwestern European

[Ayetooey]

Interestingly, you are 70% Northwestern European

We are pretty sure it's a problem with the algorithm, several other half NW Euro half East Euro members get similar results, I am also 70 percent Northwest Euro most of it German, according to ancestry, yet the same data gives me 50 percent east/south east euro on FTDNA, myheritage etc.

[Leto]

We are pretty sure it's a problem with the algorithm, several other half NW Euro half East Euro members get similar results, I am also 70 percent Northwest Euro most of it German, according to ancestry, yet the same data gives me 50 percent east/south east euro on FTDNA, myheritage etc.
Yep, FTDNA was more accurate for you.

[Daco Celtic]

We are pretty sure it's a problem with the algorithm, several other half NW Euro half East Euro members get similar results, I am also 70 percent Northwest Euro most of it German, according to ancestry, yet the same data gives me 50 percent east/south east euro on FTDNA, myheritage etc.

Yeah, I do question my 13% Germanic to some degree but it doesn't seem completely out of the realm of possibilities given that some Transylvanian Romanians can have a slight German influence. In your case the result do seem a bit off if you get 50% Germanic but are mainly Serbian and British. Generally I think the Ancestry update made my results more accurate.The old Ancestry DNA results, MyHeritage, and DNA Land had me anywhere from 5-10% Finnish/Baltic which seems way off since PCAs and oracles show me genetically distant from North Slavs. I'm not sure if I'm 70% Northern European but Oracles like the Eurogenes K13 seem to provide results like this:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.7% Southeast_English + 29.3% Central_Greek @ 2.28
2 67.1% Orcadian + 32.9% Central_Greek @ 2.3
3 83.7% West_German + 16.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.3
4 63.8% Orcadian + 36.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.32
5 69.2% Orcadian + 30.8% South_Italian @ 2.32
6 86.9% West_German + 13.1% South_Italian @ 2.39
7 67.6% Southeast_English + 32.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.47
8 79.1% Southeast_English + 20.9% Cyprian @ 2.49
9 65.3% West_Scottish + 34.7% Central_Greek @ 2.52
10 90.6% West_German + 9.4% Cyprian @ 2.53

[Ayetooey]

Yeah, I do question my 13% Germanic to some degree but it doesn't seem completely out of the realm of possibilities give that some Transylvanian Romanians can have a slight German influence. In your case the result do seem a bit off if you get 50% Germanic but are mainly Serbian and British. Generally I think the Ancestry update made my results more accurate.The old Ancestry DNA results, MyHeritage, and DNA Land had me anywhere from 5-10% Finnish/Baltic which seems way off since PCAs and oracles show me genetically distant from North Slavs. I'm not sure if I'm 70% Northern European but Oracles like the Eurogenes K13 seem to provide results like this:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.7% Southeast_English + 29.3% Central_Greek @ 2.28
2 67.1% Orcadian + 32.9% Central_Greek @ 2.3
3 83.7% West_German + 16.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.3
4 63.8% Orcadian + 36.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.32
5 69.2% Orcadian + 30.8% South_Italian @ 2.32
6 86.9% West_German + 13.1% South_Italian @ 2.39
7 67.6% Southeast_English + 32.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.47
8 79.1% Southeast_English + 20.9% Cyprian @ 2.49
9 65.3% West_Scottish + 34.7% Central_Greek @ 2.52
10 90.6% West_German + 9.4% Cyprian @ 2.53

For you it seems like a possibility, you plot to the north for your mix also so it would make sense, especially if other tests have given you similar results. Ancestry is the only test that gave me such weird results, yet its raw data gives me perfect ftdna resutls, and this is my k13 top pop from ancestrydna LOL.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% Southeast_English @ 1.646529

Followed by 3 pop.
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% South_Polish +25% West_Sicilian @ 1.052142

The algorithm just fucked it for me, probably got confused with my mixture and tried to average out my DNA and gave me Germanic Europe, which makes sense since overall I plot South Austria/North Slovenia. You should upload your data to FTDNA, I would be curious to see how your Romanian side comes out. I get a pretty even 50/50 split with FTDNA.

[Daco Celtic]

For you it seems like a possibility, you plot to the north for your mix also so it would make sense, especially if other tests have given you similar results. Ancestry is the only test that gave me such weird results, yet its raw data gives me perfect ftdna resutls, and this is my k13 top pop from ancestrydna LOL.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% Southeast_English @ 1.646529

Followed by 3 pop.
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% South_Polish +25% West_Sicilian @ 1.052142

The algorithm just fucked it for me, probably got confused with my mixture and tried to average out my DNA and gave me Germanic Europe, which makes sense since overall I plot South Austria/North Slovenia. You should upload your data to FTDNA, I would be curious to see how your Romanian side comes out. I get a pretty even 50/50 split with FTDNA.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% Southeast_English @ 1.646529

That seems to suggest that the algorithm was wrong for you but the raw data was very good. So at least you got good raw data. I did upload my results to Family Tree but they only show matches for free, not origin. Maybe it would be worth the extra $19. You had to pay for it, correct?

[Ayetooey]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% Southeast_English @ 1.646529

That seems to suggest that the algorithm was wrong for you but the raw data was very good. So at least you got good raw data. I did upload my results to Family Tree but they only show matches for free, not origin. Maybe it would be worth the extra $19. You had to pay for it, correct?

Yeah I had to pay 19 quid, the results were accurate for me and you also get your ancient ancestry make up. FTDNA is a bit boring, but it's accurate where as ancestry tries to be too fancy. If you haven't you should do 23andme or a Y dna test to get your Y haplogroup. I'm saving up for an FTDNA one which goes more in-depth.

[Daco Celtic]

Yeah I had to pay 19 quid, the results were accurate for me and you also get your ancient ancestry make up. FTDNA is a bit boring, but it's accurate where as ancestry tries to be too fancy. If you haven't you should do 23andme or a Y dna test to get your Y haplogroup. I'm saving up for an FTDNA one which goes more in-depth.

Cool, I'll give it a shot.

[Carpatz]

Interestingly, you are 70% Northwestern European

Ancestry seems inaccurate for mixed people

[Daco Celtic]

Ancestry seems inaccurate for mixed people

I think AncestryDNA results are good with Northwest Europe, esp the British Isles, and bad with Eastern Europe. For example, they identified 92 different genetic communities in Ireland yet they have this vast area for Eastern Europe that doesn't even distinguish between a Polish person and a Romanian despite obvious genetic differences.

[Daco Celtic]

My sister just received her AncestryDNA results. Here is how they compare to mine:

https://i.imgur.com/iHTp9u8.jpg

[Seya]

My sister just received her AncestryDNA results. Here is how they compare to mine:

https://i.imgur.com/iHTp9u8.jpg

the difference is huge

[Daco Celtic]

the difference is huge

You think so? I don't know if these differences are typical for siblings. This sister actually looks totally Romanian and my other sister looks very Irish.

[Seya]

You think so? I don't know if these differences are typical for siblings. This sister actually looks totally Romanian and my other sister looks very Irish.

It doesn’t matter how she looks like...the 10% difference is huge for siblings.

[Mr.G]

It's a little surprising but I don't think it's huge. Mixed Euro people are very tricky to split.

[Mr.G]

My daughter is 9% different Eastern European on Ancestry than my son.

[Mr.G]

It doesn’t matter how she looks like...the 10% difference is huge for siblings.
No, not a huge difference for kids of mixed Euro ancestry. My wife is 100% Samos, Greece. My kids:

Son.
Greece & the Balkans48%

Greece, Turkey & Albania

Germanic Europe24%

Eastern Europe & Russia23%

Italy5%

Daughter.
Greece & the Balkans42%

Greece, Turkey & Albania

Eastern Europe & Russia32%

Germanic Europe16%

Turkey & the Caucasus5%

Italy2%

Ireland & Scotland1%

France1%

Baltic States1%

[Seya]

No, not a huge difference for kids of mixed Euro ancestry. My wife is 100% Samos, Greece. My kids:

Son.
Greece & the Balkans48%

Greece, Turkey & Albania

Germanic Europe24%

Eastern Europe & Russia23%

Italy5%

Daughter.
Greece & the Balkans42%

Greece, Turkey & Albania

Eastern Europe & Russia32%

Germanic Europe16%

Turkey & the Caucasus5%

Italy2%

Ireland & Scotland1%

France1%

Baltic States1%

that's because they don't know how to read the results..this is what i meant

[Mr.G]

that's because they don't know how to read the results..this is what i meant

Okay yes, I agree with that.

[Rgvgjhvv]

No, not a huge difference for kids of mixed Euro ancestry. My wife is 100% Samos, Greece. My kids:

Son.
Greece & the Balkans48%

Greece, Turkey & Albania

Germanic Europe24%

Eastern Europe & Russia23%

Italy5%

Daughter.
Greece & the Balkans42%

Greece, Turkey & Albania

Eastern Europe & Russia32%

Germanic Europe16%

Turkey & the Caucasus5%

Italy2%

Ireland & Scotland1%

France1%

Baltic States1%

I love this. Makes me want to get my mom and brother tested asap because as you can see, sometimes the kids don't get all the same regions even!

[Ayetooey]

Okay yes, I agree with that.

If we're talking bad results for mixed people. This is one of the worst I've seen. Both kids inherited over 70% of their mothers results on ancestrydna (Finnish mother, Belgian father).

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/4umRAb-BC0wxLup6VBPWbNAGpIMfFNcFehDyDkpdC-E/%3Fwidth%3D960%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D cd0faf051ee887ad962bebed9c4f500c4a643267/https/preview.redd.it/jny0hyyp5ng21.jpg?width=300&height=300

[Mr.G]

If we're talking bad results for mixed people. This is one of the worst I've seen. Both kids inherited over 70% of their mothers results on ancestrydna (Finnish mother, Belgian father).

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/4umRAb-BC0wxLup6VBPWbNAGpIMfFNcFehDyDkpdC-E/%3Fwidth%3D960%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D cd0faf051ee887ad962bebed9c4f500c4a643267/https/preview.redd.it/jny0hyyp5ng21.jpg?width=300&height=300

Holy cow! My kid's results are within reason, but these are just inexcusable. Ancestry still has a lot of bugs to work out...I was trying to rationalize and breakdown how the results in your example came out like that but I give up, it's just poor.

[Mr.G]

To clarify above, I agree with what Seya was saying, AncestryDNA seems to do a mediocre and sometimes poor job for people with mixed Euro Ancestry.

[Daco Celtic]

If we're talking bad results for mixed people. This is one of the worst I've seen. Both kids inherited over 70% of their mothers results on ancestrydna (Finnish mother, Belgian father).

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/4umRAb-BC0wxLup6VBPWbNAGpIMfFNcFehDyDkpdC-E/%3Fwidth%3D960%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D cd0faf051ee887ad962bebed9c4f500c4a643267/https/preview.redd.it/jny0hyyp5ng21.jpg?width=300&height=300

I’ve come to the conclusion that the AncestryDNA calculator sucks for the most part but their raw DNA is good. Seems like 23andme has a good calculator but bad raw DNA. The link to the thread below is a good example of this when they were applied to DNAland. Raw data is more important to me personally, so I actually think Ancestry DNA is a good value despite a shitty calculator. They also will probably correct these issues in the future anyway. Not sure I want to buy 23andme simply for a better calculator unless they offer other stuff I don’t know about.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?279887-Comparing-AncestryDNA-23andMe-with-DNA-land

[Rgvgjhvv]

I’ve come to the conclusion that the AncestryDNA calculator sucks for the most part but their raw DNA is good. Seems like 23andme has a good calculator but bad raw DNA. The link to the thread below is a good example of this when they were applied to DNAland. Raw data is more important to me personally, so I actually think Ancestry DNA is a good value despite a shitty calculator. They also will probably correct these issues in the future anyway. Not sure I want to buy 23andme simply for a better calculator unless they offer other stuff I don’t know about.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?279887-Comparing-AncestryDNA-23andMe-with-DNA-land

I find that my MyHeritage raw data is more accurate on some calculators, than my AncestryDNA raw data

[Daco Celtic]

Me vs. Uncle on AncestryDNA

https://i.imgur.com/3sm4qw6.jpg

[XXXKanedaGUNDAM]

Yeah I had weird results my dads brother was like Russian and from the Caucasus Iberian peninsula, but yet it doesn’t show it at all for me. There’s also lots of people closely related to me who have European Jew ancestry, I swear I have some features which I’m sure are pretty exclusive ormspecific to jewish people a lot of the time though no stereotypically, but you know.

I’m sure it’s not entirely like, cavemen or something back that much further. I guess maybe it’s our saliva.

[XXXKanedaGUNDAM]

So the ancestry DNA test only goes back 600 to 1000 years which I dunno, is like the start of Europe at best, so maybe it’s more pernicious but there’s ones that go even further back and I’m tempted to take them.