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cyberlorian
10-31-2018, 02:39 PM
Were pre Turkic Anatolians genetically closest to modern Sardinians?
gıulıoımpa
10-31-2018, 02:47 PM
Yes, neolithic settlers anatolia came there at the same time or slightly before of the expansion by them from the middle easr to other places in the mediterranian
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No,Anatolia took many migrations before the Turks came and Neolithic ancestry decreased in time.
http://www.haplogruplar.com/the-genetic-structure-of-anatolia-from-the-neolithic-to-the-oghuz-migrations/
Papastratosels26
10-31-2018, 02:58 PM
I believe that imo.
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Livin
10-31-2018, 03:06 PM
Neolithic anatolia is different from chalcolithic/bronze age anatolia.
The pre-turkic anatolia is actually the anatolia of hittites,hattians,hurrians.Populations genetically to modern west asians.
The g2a neolithic anatolians yes are close to modern sardinians,basques lets say and iberians.
Gangrel
10-31-2018, 03:11 PM
Do you see any Anatolian Greeks or Turks modelled as part Sardinian? No
Marmara
10-31-2018, 03:30 PM
Neolithic Anatolians were G2a, they were replaced by J2 farmers from North Iran/Transcaucasia in Bronze Age.
Today, Sardinians have the most Neolithic Anatolian ancestry, followed by Spaniards, North Italians and rest of West Europeans.
Livin
10-31-2018, 04:00 PM
Neolithic Anatolians were G2a, they were replaced by J2 farmers from North Iran/Transcaucasia in Bronze Age.
Today, Sardinians have the most Neolithic Anatolian ancestry, followed by Spaniards, North Italians and rest of West Europeans.
What you prefer?
J2a or G2a?
Marmara
10-31-2018, 04:15 PM
What you prefer?
J2a or G2a?
G2as were midgets.
Livin
10-31-2018, 04:17 PM
G2as were midgets.
I see!
I am PRO j2 KAVKAZ.
DarknessWin
10-31-2018, 04:45 PM
Neolithic anatolia is different from chalcolithic/bronze age anatolia.
The pre-turkic anatolia is actually the anatolia of hittites,hattians,hurrians.Populations genetically to modern west asians.
The g2a neolithic anatolians yes are close to modern sardinians,basques lets say and iberians.
Agree with the first 2 lines , then in 3rd line you start again this haplogroup and neolithic bullcrap
Pre turkic anatolians were Armenoids and Anatolids not matter their haplo
DarknessWin
10-31-2018, 04:47 PM
G2as were midgets.
I didnt know that Haplo give also the height .
If some geneticist read that bullcrap you idiots post here he will die from laughing
Marmara
10-31-2018, 04:48 PM
I didnt know that Haplo give also the height .
If some geneticist read that bullcrap you idiots post here he will die from laughing
You always make me laugh, Cheers.
Livin
10-31-2018, 04:50 PM
Agree with the first 2 lines , then in 3rd line you start again this haplogroup and neolithic bullcrap
Pre turkic anatolians were Armenoids and Anatolids not matter their haplo
Listen clown.G2a people were like modern sardinians and basques pretty much and they were med people mostly.
J2a people were brachy and they were pretty close to what we call armenoid or as you said anatolid.
J2a come from kaukasus and northwest iran.
Mens-Sarda
10-31-2018, 04:58 PM
Listen clown.G2a people were like modern sardinians and basques pretty much and they were med people mostly.
J2a people were brachy and they were pretty close to what we call armenoid or as you said anatolid.
J2a come from kaukasus and northwest iran.
It's worth to mention that not all Sardinians are G2a. Only 11-15% are G2a, the remaining Sardinians are : I2a1 45/37%, R1b 25/22%, J2 10%, J1 2.5/2%, E1b1b 10/5%, T+L 1.5/0%, Q 2%
Livin
10-31-2018, 05:01 PM
It's worth to mention that not all Sardinians are G2a. Only 11-15% are G2a, the remaining Sardinians are : I2a1 45/37%, R1b 25/22%, J2 10%, J1 2.5/2%, E1b1b 10/5%, T+L 1.5/0%, Q 2%
Your people are mix of the anatolian farmers and WHG mostly.
You are med with some CM like berid,paleosardinian etc.
You have nothing to do with caucasians and other west asians(J2-J1).
My people Pontic Greeks are a mix of neolithic anatolians(g2a) and CHG(J2a).
Marmara
10-31-2018, 05:06 PM
It's worth to mention that not all Sardinians are G2a. Only 11-15% are G2a, the remaining Sardinians are : I2a1 45/37%, R1b 25/22%, J2 10%, J1 2.5/2%, E1b1b 10/5%, T+L 1.5/0%, Q 2%
It's because Sardinians aren't purely Neolithic Anatolian, and some Northeastern Sardinians actually have Steppe input, but the purest Sardinians still have more than 20 distance to Neolithic Anatolians, so Sardinians are -by far-closest modern population to Neolithic Anatolians but still aren't the same with them.
Mens-Sarda
10-31-2018, 05:09 PM
The presence of J1-J2 could be related to Sea Peoples or other Anatolian influences, or it could be related to the Byzantine epoch, Byzantine soldiers or mercenaries from west Asia or Caucasus. (Sardinia was a Byzantine province for 4 centuries).
Listen clown.G2a people were like modern sardinians and basques pretty much and they were med people mostly.
J2a people were brachy and they were pretty close to what we call armenoid or as you said anatolid.
J2a come from kaukasus and northwest iran.
I am probably a j2a.
Kelmendasi
10-31-2018, 05:12 PM
Neolithic Anatolians were G2a, they were replaced by J2 farmers from North Iran/Transcaucasia in Bronze Age.
Today, Sardinians have the most Neolithic Anatolian ancestry, followed by Spaniards, North Italians and rest of West Europeans.
J2 was already present in Neolithic Anatolia, though it probably did arrive after G2a. Not sure about Spaniards having the most Neolithic input after Sardinians but I do know that southeastern Europeans such as Albanians and Greeks have one of the highest. Western Europe has more IE input.
Edit: Seems that Spaniards and Iberians do have pretty high levels of EEF
Barcin Neolithic (Anatolian Farmers)
Sardinian - 81.4%
Italian Bergamo - 60.6%
Albanian - 56.6%
Spanish Castilla La Mancha - 56.6%
Basque Spanish - 56.4%
Spanish Andalusian - 56.2%
Spanish Aragon - 56.2%
Spanish Valencia - 56.2%
Spanish Murcia - 56%
Basque French - 55.6%
French South - 55.4%
Italian Tuscan - 54.4%
Spanish Catalonia - 54.4%
Portuguese - 54.2%
Spanish Canarias - 53.4%
Spanish Galician - 52.2%
Greek - 52%
Macedonian - 52%
Italian Abruzzo - 50%
Romanian - 50%
Bulgarian - 49.6%
Serbian - 49.4%
Montenegrin - 49.2%
Maltese - 48.6%
French - 48.4%
French East - 46.8%
Sicilian East - 46%
Italian South - 46%
Sicilian West - 45.6%
Bosnian - 45.4%
Belgian - 44.8%
Moldovan - 43.6%
Austrian - 42.8%
Croatian - 42.8%
Slovenian - 42.8%
Sephardic Jewish - 42.6%
Hungarian - 41.2%
Ashkenazi Jewish - 40.8%
German - 40.6%
Cornish - 39.8%
English - 38.8%
Greek Cretan - 38.6%
Czech - 37.6%
Dutch - 37.6%
Scottish - 37.4%
Orcadian - 37%
Welsh - 37%
Irish - 36.8%
Shetlandic - 36.6%
Slovakian - 36.2%
Norwegian - 34%
Icelandic - 33.8%
Cypriot - 33.6%
Swedish - 33.6%
Polish - 33.4%
Ukrainian - 33.2%
Russian Voronez - 31.4%
Russian Orel - 30.4%
Russian Smolensk - 30.2%
Roma - 29.8%
Belarusian - 29.6%
Russian Kursk - 29.4%
Turkish Istanbul - 29.2%
Russian Tver - 26.6%
Lithuanian - 26.4%
Mordovian - 24.2%
Russian Kostroma - 24.2%
Estonian - 24%
Finnish - 23%
Latvian - 21.8%
Karelian - 18.2%
Tatar - 18%
Finnish East - 16%
Saami - 5.4%
Livin
10-31-2018, 05:12 PM
The presence of J1-J2 could be related to Sea Peoples or other Anatolian influences, or it could be related to the Byzantine epoch, Byzantine soldiers or mercenaries from west Asia or Caucasus. (Sardinia was a Byzantine province for 4 centuries).
This man here is Sardinian and he looks textbook armenoid.IMO some J2 and J1 lineages come with byzantines os Sicilians/Italians.
Look him.
81444
Livin
10-31-2018, 05:13 PM
I am probably a j2a.
I am a mix of J2a and G2a.
My haplo is J2.But my phenotype (looks) more close to G2a.
I am a mix of J2a and G2a.
My haplo is J2.But my phenotype (looks) more close to G2a.What is G2a pheno looks like?
Yaglakar
10-31-2018, 05:16 PM
Analogous J2a haplotypes (Sary-Bel Kurgan - 2nd BC to 1 AD and Kutmanovo 700 to 900 AD, both in Altai) have been found in Nogais, Anatolian Turks, Karakalpaks, Uyghurs, Kazakhs, Mongols and Tatars. Their numbers are currently growing, that J2a ancestor must have been very promiscuous.
Livin
10-31-2018, 05:17 PM
What is G2a pheno looks like?
Meds mostly.Check some modern Cretans,Sardinians,south italians,and some iberians.
In Turkey,Iran also and in the west asia the people with med types have ancestry from these farmers.
Kelmendasi
10-31-2018, 05:18 PM
I am a mix of J2a and G2a.
My haplo is J2.But my phenotype (looks) more close to G2a.
Did you test?
Livin
10-31-2018, 05:20 PM
Did you test?
No.But i saw Muslim Pontians kits with the same surname like mines.They are from Trabzon and they have the same surname with me.
Typical west asian results.The haplo was J2a(can't remember the clade).These people actually had never mixed with real turks or some kind of other group xd.
Mens-Sarda
10-31-2018, 05:20 PM
This man here is Sardinian and he looks textbook armenoid.IMO some J2 and J1 lineages come with byzantines os Sicilians/Italians.
Look him.
81444
Perhaps. His name is Benito Urgu, he's a famous Sardinian comedian/singer.
https://www.vistanet.it/cagliari/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/05/Benito-Urgu-770x480.jpg
http://images.sassarinotizie.com/ImageServer.ashx?id=13028&size=300
When he was young
https://salimbasarda.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/uid_1412079840039_1310451073.flv.640.0.jpg
Livin
10-31-2018, 05:22 PM
Perhaps. His name is Benito Urgu, he's a famous Sardinian comedian/singer.
https://www.vistanet.it/cagliari/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/05/Benito-Urgu-770x480.jpg
http://images.sassarinotizie.com/ImageServer.ashx?id=13028&size=300
When he was young
https://salimbasarda.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/uid_1412079840039_1310451073.flv.640.0.jpg
Yes,something between anatolid or armenoid.Looks turkish xd!!!!
Actually i think Italians or byzantines brought types like him in your island.
Kelmendasi
10-31-2018, 05:22 PM
No.But i saw Muslim Pontians kits with the same surname like mines.They are from Trabzon and they have the same surname with me.
Typical west asian results.The haplo was J2a(can't remember the clade).These people actually had never mixed with real turks or some kind of other group xd.
Interesting, could be coincidence though? Since you aren't a Muslim and don't have Muslim family iirc.
Meds mostly.Check some modern Cretans,Sardinians,south italians,and some iberians.
In Turkey,Iran also and in the west asia the people with med types have ancestry from these farmers.So I'm probably either that or J2a cuz im taurid w some sort of med
I am a mix of J2a and G2a.
My haplo is J2.But my phenotype (looks) more close to G2a.
Have you done Yseq?
Livin
10-31-2018, 05:24 PM
Interesting, could be coincidence though? Since you aren't a Muslim and don't have Muslim family iirc.
No.I talked with the one guy.They become muslims actually with violence or to hide from Ottomans.
They never mixed with others.Muslim Pontians are actually a small minority still in Trabzon.
They look like us and they have the same blood.IMO they only difference is the religion xd.
But i will go for the test.Even if am sure that differences will not be big.
Livin
10-31-2018, 05:26 PM
So I'm probably either that or J2a cuz im taurid w some sort of med
Pretty much yes.The majority of west asians coming from J2-J1 lineages.
And these areas are mostly brachy skull.
So I'm probably either that or J2a cuz im taurid w some sort of med
You’ll never know until you test.
Token
10-31-2018, 05:27 PM
Nope they weren't, they were closest to North African Jews and Maltese, but still very different from any modern-day population. Sardinians are a mixture of Anatolian farmers and Western Hunter-Gatherers, Anatolian farmers lacked Villabruna-like admixture altogether.
You’ll never know until you test.How much the test cost?
How much the test cost?
Depends on the test. Do you only want to know your haplogroup?
Depends on the test. Do you only want to know your haplogroup?Honestly i have no idea cuz i don't know much about genetics besides the names of haplogroups. What would be your suggestion?
Honestly i have no idea cuz i don't know much about genetics besides the names of haplogroups. What would be your suggestion?
You can start with 23andme ancestry only test. It will provide you with both basic haplogroups (with explanation) and your autosomal ethnicity results.
You can start with 23andme ancestry only test. It will provide you with both basic haplogroups (with explanation) and your autosomal ethnicity results.Thank you. I'll do it whenever i have $ for it!
cyberlorian
10-31-2018, 07:53 PM
Yes,something between anatolid or armenoid.Looks turkish xd!!!!
Actually i think Italians or byzantines brought types like him in your island.
Nothing but Dinarid in my opinion.
Livin
10-31-2018, 08:29 PM
Nothing but Dinarid in my opinion.
Armenoid=Dinaricized Alpine.
This guy is armenoid actually not dinarid.
cyberlorian
10-31-2018, 08:33 PM
Armenoid=Dinaricized Alpine.
This guy is armenoid actually not dinarid.
You might be right. I sometimes screw up when classifying types. :D
DarknessWin
11-02-2018, 11:49 PM
Listen clown.G2a people were like modern sardinians and basques pretty much and they were med people mostly.
J2a people were brachy and they were pretty close to what we call armenoid or as you said anatolid.
J2a come from kaukasus and northwest iran.
J2 people were brachy :picard1: :picard2:
It is so hard to understand that haplogroup have ZERO connection to phenotype,head shape,color, height etc ???????
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