Please classify

[Panopticon]

Greetings! This is my first post here and the reason that I'm posting is that I would like you to classify the Albanian Zogu family, which is the royal family of Albania. I have my own opinion of what they are racially, however, I'd like to see you guys post what you think first so that my opinion won't affect yours.

King Zogu with Queen Geraldine (she was of royal Hungarian stock):
http://www.albanianroyalcourt.al/pages/Images/Resized/hnem1g8dtkpq1msmqnpw_580_939_S_70.jpg

Queen Geraldine:
http://www.albanianroyalcourt.al/pages/Images/Resized/0xm4v1m0rnjzorfze4ed_580_715_S_70.jpg

http://www.albanianroyalcourt.al/pages/Images/Resized/mqsqi02656aiacshiz11_580_768_S_70.jpg

With her grandson at an old age:
http://www.albanianroyalcourt.al/pages/Images/Resized/mjzgf0e5jilw9y482eju_580_393_S_70.jpg



King Zogu:

http://www.albanianroyalcourt.al/pages/Images/Resized/t6d7fv1ccqg1swgn3wn0_580_870_S_70.jpg

http://www.albanianroyalcourt.al/pages/Images/Resized/wi6rbpu3tgjuyg4rx9p4_580_866_S_70.jpg

They both had a son, King Leka, who is as you most likely will notice quite tall, I've read that he's 6'8 f (207cm) or 7 f (213cm), he's most likely the latter as the source knew him, I don't know though.

King Leka Zogu:

With his wife Queen Susana (Australian) and their son.
http://www.albanianroyalcourt.al/pages/Images/Resized/kdgim9ia2jiimn5vq8pb_580_859_S_70.jpg

With his wife.
http://www.albanianroyalcourt.al/pages/Images/Resized/hxv0msbnh9otcl0drnkk_580_465_S_70.jpg

At an older age.
http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2008/royalty/zog_albania.jpg

Queen Susana:

http://www.albanianroyalcourt.al/pages/Images/Resized/3p4z5opmp2qsu0snivg5_580_773_S_70.jpg

Their son, Prince Leka II:

Along with his fiance (I think).
http://www.albanianroyalcourt.al/pages/Images/Resized/owc7xbcram2i4874m9t3_580_847_S_70.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pzICWg_Xk24/R77h-pb09II/AAAAAAAABBw/Mx4NoMLEDD8/s400/LekaII.jpg

I look forward to your responses and if it was too much I'll excuse myself. Cheers!

[Prengs]

Zogu is pure Dinarid

[Ushtari]

Zogu is pure Dinarid
I agree, i think one can see it on this pic
http://i53.tinypic.com/2ikbix4.jpg

[Panopticon]

Zogu is pure Dinarid

He's predominantly Dinarid, however I believe there is some minor Pontid influences also perhaps. He has a look that is quite a typical Albanian look I think.

[leisitox]

Queen Geraldine is pred.alpine + something CM , in the older age photo I see something brunn perhaps

[Panopticon]

Queen Geraldine is pred.alpine + something CM , in the older age photo I see something brunn perhaps

I'm not so sure about Alpine as she was too tall, she's lighter than the Alpine mean so I would say that there might also be some other influences such as Nordid perhaps, I think it's clearer in this picture:
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff485/aliaaenor/geraldinealbania.png

The shape of her nose isn't that very Alpine, seems more nordic. Alpines also tend to have quite round foreheads if I'm not mistaken. Personally I would say she's more of an CM+alpine/sub-nordid. Very good looking imo.

[leisitox]

Conclusion
the shape of the nose of the alpine women has a tendency to be concave and are low rooted. Queen Geraldine has a thin straight nose, and she is lighter, sub-nordid+CM, the CM being noticed more by passing the years, when she is older.
U are right Horten :thumbs up,

King Leka Zogu mabye is an atlantid/alpine + dinaric (body type and height?) and strangely have a faelid like jaw when he is older. So atlantid/alpine+dinaric (body type and height) and hidden CM faelid tendency whe is older?, his wife maybe anglo saxon+ little KN? (guessing)

[Panopticon]

King Leka's wife seems to be more Nordid proper I think, I don't see the Nordid+CM mix that is the Anglo Saxon type and she doesn't seem to have any proper distuingishable KN traits either. Their son seems to be something like Nordid+Dinarid. As for King Leka, I don't see the atlantid, he does however have features that are Dinarid such as the hawkish nose and the slightly sloping forehead which is high, his eyes seem to be wide apart that is a CM trait and Dinarid eyes are usually quite close. His features don't seem Alpinidish either more CM like if you ask me and this becomes more appareant in the picture of him in old age, the same with his mother they seem to be more CM influenced rather than Alpinid which becomes more clear in older age.

Anyone else wants to give their opinions?

[Agrippa]

Very progressive and well-bred family it seems.

Well, Zogu is rather Atlanto-Dinarid, so Atlanto-Pontid/Atlanto-Nordid + Dinarid in my opinion.

Geraline Dalofaelid/Cromagnid with Nordid and Alpinoid influences.

King Leka Zogu is actually more Dinarid than the father I'd say, but shows also the Cromagnid from the mother's side.

Prince Leka II is mostly Nordoid phenotypically with Norid/Dinarid and slight Cromagnid influences.

[Hess]

Very progressive and well-bred family it seems.

Well, Zogu is rather Atlanto-Dinarid, so Atlanto-Pontid/Atlanto-Nordid + Dinarid in my opinion.

Geraline Dalofaelid/Cromagnid with Nordid and Alpinoid influences.

King Leka Zogu is actually more Dinarid than the father I'd say, but shows also the Cromagnid from the mother's side.

Prince Leka II is mostly Nordoid phenotypically with Norid/Dinarid and slight Cromagnid influences.

this may be a bit off topic, but for educational purposes, could you post some pictures of Europeans who are below average in terms of progressiveness?

[Agrippa]

this may be a bit off topic, but for educational purposes, could you post some pictures of Europeans who are below average in terms of progressiveness?

Archemorphic (primitive) traits in an European after H.F.K. Günther:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8674&stc=1&d=1303752092

Paedomorphic (infantile) traits in extremely reduced Alpinids after H.F.K. Günther:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8675&stc=1&d=1303752160

Very infantile Swiss Alpinid after Schlaginhaufen:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3277&stc=1&d=1259868776

More robust Alpinoid variant, but with archaic (primitive) traits too:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3276&stc=1&d=1259868708

[Guapo]

Royal families are all inbreds.

[Guapo]

Archemorphic (primitive) traits in a European after H.F.K.

Very infantile Swiss Alpinid after Schlaginhaufen:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3277&stc=1&d=1259868776

More robust Alpinoid variant, but with archaic (primitive) traits too:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3276&stc=1&d=1259868708

They look mesocephalic, I thought Alpinids where flat headed like dinarids.

[Panopticon]

Very progressive and well-bred family it seems.

Well, Zogu is rather Atlanto-Dinarid, so Atlanto-Pontid/Atlanto-Nordid + Dinarid in my opinion.

Geraline Dalofaelid/Cromagnid with Nordid and Alpinoid influences.

King Leka Zogu is actually more Dinarid than the father I'd say, but shows also the Cromagnid from the mother's side.

Prince Leka II is mostly Nordoid phenotypically with Norid/Dinarid and slight Cromagnid influences.

I would say you're very much spot on.:thumb001:

[Agrippa]

Royal families are all inbreds.

Even if, that can mean becoming high-bred or degenerated.

That is decisive, "inbred or not" is totally unimportant. And most aristocratic families are rather high-bred, they are significantly above average biological niveau.

[Panopticon]

While I don't believe that there wasn't inbreeding in royal families, there is also the fact that people of royal lineage have always had more opportunities when it comes to picking their partners, they could therefore pick people that were above the average.

Anyways, Zogu wasn't of any royal descent as he himself proclaimed himself king, which is why someone do not think of him as worthy of the title "king", which I don't support seeing as royalty has to start from somewhere :) So I doubt there is much inbreeding, at least in this family. Also the family has healthy family values which is obvious seeing as Prince Leka II is quite intelligent and well-educated, currently he's working in the Albanian Foreign Ministry.

[Agrippa]

They look mesocephalic, I thought Alpinids where flat headed like dinarids.

Alpinoids can have flat or curvoccipital occiputs. Planoccipital heads are typical only for the Taurids (Dinarid and Armenid).

Also they are NOT mesocephalic, you can read the indices on the right side, both are well above 81 with their Cephalic Index, actually more than 85, which is very high.

Hyperdolichokephal: x-70,9
Dolichokephal: 71,0-75,9
Mesokephal: 76-80,9
Brachykephal: 81,0-85,4
Hyperbrachykephal: 85,5-90,9
Ultrabrachykephal: 91,0-x

They already approach hyperbrachycephaly!