Are Cypriots european?

[MercifulServant]

From a genetic standpoint are Greek Cypriots european? discuss

[Maintenance]

Kid said cypriots are full middle easterners geneticly

[MercifulServant]

Kid said cypriots are full middle easterners geneticly

Not full but mainly.

[rein]

They’re half European genetically.

[rein]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzheGH4p8is

[Rgvgjhvv]

I think Thanas' results showed like 60% Greek/European or something along those lines

[Mingle]

I think Thanas' results showed like 60% Greek/European or something along those lines

Isn't he part Macedonian? Or is he trolling with that info on his profile?

[TheMaestro]

I always thought they are, but many people here say they rather look levant than mainland Greeks, idk.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Isn't he part Macedonian? Or is he trolling with that info on his profile?

Good question :lol: I believe he's trolling but :dunno:

[Papastratosels26]

Genetically I don't know

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[Kamal900]

They're around 30 to 50% Europeans genetically on average. The rest is Levantine. I myself somewhat cluster with them while I don't cluster with their mainlander counterparts.

[rein]

They're around 30 to 50% Europeans genetically on average. The rest is Levantine. I myself somewhat cluster with them while I don't cluster with their mainlander counterparts.

Do you cluster with Maltese? Post your K36 map.

[Vojnik]

Isn't he part Macedonian? Or is he trolling with that info on his profile?

Trolling.

[Kamal900]

Do you cluster with Maltese? Post your K36 map.

Sure:
https://image.ibb.co/cUV4nc/Moody1.png

[rein]

Sure:
https://image.ibb.co/cUV4nc/Moody1.png

What percentage do you get for Malta?

[xripkan]

Neolithic Cyprus was similar to the other mediterranean pre-Indoeuropean civilizations like Minoan Crete and Sicily. During the Bronze Age Cyprus was settled by Mycaenaeans and Dorians in two different waves of Greek settlement. So it became partly european in genetic terms. Later Cyprus was settled by Christians from Middle East. I think we can say that they are close both to Europe and Western Asia.

[Kamal900]

What percentage do you get for Malta?

Dunno. It doesn't show, honestly. These are my clusters in Europe. I cluster the closest to Southern Italians and the peoples of the Aegean Islands in Greece in Europe.

[rein]

Dunno. It doesn't show, honestly. These are my clusters in Europe. I cluster the closest to Southern Italians and the peoples of the Aegean Islands in Greece in Europe.

It should show underneath Sicily. I think you cropped the image.

[Bobby Martnen]

Less so than Jews, Gypsies, Puerto Ricans, and Mexicans.

[Mingle]

Dunno. It doesn't show, honestly. These are my clusters in Europe. I cluster the closest to Southern Italians and the peoples of the Aegean Islands in Greece in Europe.What number does it show for Palestine and Cyprus?

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[Leto]

They often get DNA results like this

This guy of Cypriot origin did 23andme and his results are the following:

89.7% Western Asian & North African
- 81.2% Western Asian (Cyprus) (5 dots for Cyprus, 1 for Lebanon)
- 3.9% North African & Arabian
- 4.9% Broadly Western Asian & North African

9.4% European
- 5.6% Italian
- 1.0% Balkan
- 2.0% Broadly Southern European
- 0.9% Broadly European

0.8% Unassigned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vr6w-Nuh0s&t=1s

[Hadouken]

what is "genetically european" ? a finn or an andalucian ? a swede or a sicilian ? a russian or a sardinian ? a sami or a cretan ? who do you take as reference ? this is all blurry

cypriots count as europeans I think

[Mingle]

what is "genetically european" ? a finn or an andalucian ? a swede or a sicilian ? a russian or a sardinian ? a sami or a cretan ? who do you take as reference ? this is all blurry

cypriots count as europeans I thinkGenetically clustering with a European population. Or at least being genetically closer to a European population than an Asian one.

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[Leto]

what is "genetically european" ? a finn or an andalucian ? a swede or a sicilian ? a russian or a sardinian ? a sami or a cretan ? who do you take as reference ? this is all blurry

Not really. You are being intellectually dishonest using these extremes and outliers. You know damn well there is a few European clusters. How many Sardinians and Sami are there? What percentage do they make up in Europe? Come on.

[Nurzat]

yes, Cypriots are European and I also consider Israelis and Lebanese to be European

[Leto]

cypriots count as europeans I think
Yes, because they speak Greek and identify with Greek/Hellenic culture. Turkish Cypriots are not European by any means.

[rein]

They often get DNA results like this

He must be an outlier.

[rein]

yes, Cypriots are European and I also consider Israelis and Lebanese to be European

Yes, many Israelis are a European export.

[Hadouken]

Yes, because they speak Greek and identify with Greek/Hellenic culture. Turkish Cypriots are not European by any means.

so it has nothing to do with genetics if someone is european or not . but some say otherwise . it depends on the daily mood I guess

[Kamal900]

What number does it show for Palestine and Cyprus?

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Here:
https://image.ibb.co/jp8qSc/Moody2.png

[Leto]

For fuck's sake, the vast majority of Europeans can be categorized in several clusters. Northwestern/Northern European/Germanic-Celtic, Southwestern/Iberian, Southeastern/Balkan, Northeastern/Eastern/Balto-Slavic, etc. A few exceptions don't mean there is no rule.

[rein]

Here:
https://image.ibb.co/jp8qSc/Moody2.png

Excellent.

[Leto]

so it has nothing to do with genetics if someone is european or not . but some say otherwise . it depends on the daily mood I guess
Genetically they are between the Levant and Sicily/Greek islands, Sikeliot says. So they are outliers. I said they might consider themselves European because they might not even know that Greeks in Greece are not the same as them genetically.

[Leto]

He must be an outlier.
Until I see his GEDmatch, I won't be so sure. I mean what makes you think people like him are so rare out there?

[MercifulServant]

Bump

[Thanas Django]

Until I see his GEDmatch, I won't be so sure. I mean what makes you think people like him are so rare out there?

You keep trying to pass yourself off as an expert on Cypriot DNA when all you have to show for yourself is one British Cypriot Youtube guy's 23andme results. Since you are an expert of course, just to play your little tune off your high horse, you use the quantifier "often".

What does "often" even mean? Since you are an expert, can you give us concrete evidence of the numbers of native Cypriot Greek and Turkish speakers who carry a certain percentage of European DNA. Out of a 100 Greek Cypriots, how many carry 8% European DNA, how many carry 15%, how many 30%, 46%, 60%?

It's really easy to simply google Cyprus 23andme results to find that the majority of Cypriots range between 30 and 50%.

This whole discussion of "how European" Cypriots are is of course a bunch of meaningless balls.

If some of you are trying to catch me out on whether "I wuvv being Uropeeen" or not you can go suck my huge Karpasia peninsula sized dick.

Unlike the 17 year olds and failed Untermenschen of this forum I do not base my worth on an arbitrary percentage on gedmatch or some kind of "heritage" but my own experiences in life and my personal competence as a human being.

At the same time, I know that I am part of an ever shrinking Greek world. I will fight tooth and nail for the people I consider my people.

Little monkeyslavos, turcomuslimos, eurohatos fear me coz I am coming for you and my dick is biiiiig.

[rein]

You keep trying to pass yourself off as an expert on Cypriot DNA when all you have to show for yourself is one British Cypriot Youtube guy's 23andme results. Since you are an expert of course, just to play your little tune off your high horse, you use the quantifier "often".

What does "often" even mean? Since you are an expert, can you give us concrete evidence of the numbers of native Cypriot Greek and Turkish speakers who carry a certain percentage of European DNA. Out of a 100 Greek Cypriots, how many carry 8% European DNA, how many carry 15%, how many 30%, 46%, 60%?

It's really easy to simply google Cyprus 23andme results to find that the majority of Cypriots range between 30 and 50%.

This whole discussion of "how European" Cypriots are is of course a bunch of meaningless balls.

If some of you are trying to catch me out on whether "I wuvv being Uropeeen" or not you can go suck my huge Karpasia peninsula sized dick.

Unlike the 17 year olds and failed Untermenschen of this forum I do not base my worth on an arbitrary percentage on gedmatch or some kind of "heritage" but my own experiences in life and my personal competence as a human being.

At the same time, I know that I am part of an ever shrinking Greek world. I will fight tooth and nail for the people I consider my people.

Little monkeyslavos, turcomuslimos, eurohatos fear me coz I am coming for you and my dick is biiiiig.


https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/58783294/i-think-we-all-just-need-to-calm-down-and-have-a-drink.jpg

[Leto]

You keep trying to pass yourself off as an expert on Cypriot DNA when all you have to show for yourself is one British Cypriot Youtube guy's 23andme results. Since you are an expert of course, just to play your little tune off your high horse, you use the quantifier "often".

What does "often" even mean? Since you are an expert, can you give us concrete evidence of the numbers of native Cypriot Greek and Turkish speakers who carry a certain percentage of European DNA. Out of a 100 Greek Cypriots, how many carry 8% European DNA, how many carry 15%, how many 30%, 46%, 60%?

It's really easy to simply google Cyprus 23andme results to find that the majority of Cypriots range between 30 and 50%.

This whole discussion of "how European" Cypriots are is of course a bunch of meaningless balls.

If some of you are trying to catch me out on whether "I wuvv being Uropeeen" or not you can go suck my huge Karpasia peninsula sized dick.

Unlike the 17 year olds and failed Untermenschen of this forum I do not base my worth on an arbitrary percentage on gedmatch or some kind of "heritage" but my own experiences in life and my personal competence as a human being.

At the same time, I know that I am part of an ever shrinking Greek world. I will fight tooth and nail for the people I consider my people.

Little monkeyslavos, turcomuslimos, eurohatos fear me coz I am coming for you and my dick is biiiiig.
Dude, calm down, no need to overreact. I didn't say he was typical or atypical, because guess what - I don't have enough knowledge about Cyprus. However, many DO look as dark as him, there is no denying.

[Leto]

Sikeliot is a true expert in that part of the world.

For reference - Cypriot Eurogenes K13 average:

# Population Percent
East_Med 41.08
West_Asian 20.34
West_Med 19.86
Red_Sea 8.12
North_Atlantic 5.67
Baltic 2.81
Sub-Saharan 0.54
South_Asian 0.50
Oceanian 0.47
Northeast_African 0.30
Siberian 0.23
East_Asian 0.07

[Bobby Martnen]

Sikeliot is a true expert in that part of the world.

For reference - Cypriot Eurogenes K13 average:

# Population Percent
East_Med 41.08
West_Asian 20.34
West_Med 19.86
Red_Sea 8.12
North_Atlantic 5.67
Baltic 2.81
Sub-Saharan 0.54
South_Asian 0.50
Oceanian 0.47
Northeast_African 0.30
Siberian 0.23
East_Asian 0.07

MENA = 41.08+20.34+8.12 = 69.54%
European = 28.34%

So I was right, they're essentially 70/30 MENA/Euro

[Smeagol]

Greek Cypriots are but they're the cut off point for Europe.

[Thanas Django]

MENA = 41.08+20.34+8.12 = 69.54%
European = 28.34%

So I was right, they're essentially 70/30 MENA/Euro

Is the East Med component exclusively MENA? How about West Med? IAre you more European than Cypriots?

[Rgvgjhvv]

MENA = 41.08+20.34+8.12 = 69.54%
European = 28.34%

So I was right, they're essentially 70/30 MENA/Euro

Wtf are you talking about

[Ayetooey]

Wtf are you talking about

Bobby Martnen is probably a crypto Turk, real name Babür Mehmed.

[Thanas Django]

Dude, calm down, no need to overreact. I didn't say he was typical or atypical, because guess what - I don't have enough knowledge about Cyprus. However, many DO look as dark as him, there is no denying.
Many don't. Just like many posters like yourself like to post bollocks to pass themselves as authorities then hide behind words such as often and many.

[Thanas Django]

Wtf are you talking about

He is a deceiver with a wicked heart :lol:

[Kamal900]

Is the East Med component exclusively MENA? How about West Med? IAre you more European than Cypriots?

No..I mean, Greeks and Italians score the highest in Europe, but the component peaks among Levantines and Mesopotamians as well as in Egyptians, so it's kinda is a MENA component. I'm 8% west med genetically.

[Jana]

West med peak in europe (sardinia and basques), east med peaks in Levant so it isnt Euro component though most Euros score some.

Greek Cypriots I consider European culturally but genetically they are more Levantine than European.

I think overwhelming majority of Europeans consider Cypriots part of Europe.

[Rgvgjhvv]

MENA = 41.08+20.34+8.12 = 69.54%
European = 28.34%

So I was right, they're essentially 70/30 MENA/Euro

I guess I'm 50/50 then wow now I know

[Kamal900]

I guess I'm 50/50 then wow now I know

You're one of us, boy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGN2uWS2iKs

[Warmian]

TIL Cypriots are fantastical dancers and invented break dancing.

[Thracian]

They are plot with MENA's.

[CommonSense]

No, they are closer to Turks and Levantines than to Europeans, both genetically and phenotypically.

[Rgvgjhvv]

No, they are closer to Turks and Levantines than to Europeans, both genetically and phenotypically.

:picard2:

[CommonSense]

:picard2:

https://image.ibb.co/gKWmqf/EURO-PCA-v3.jpg

I don't even need to explain how foreign most of their faces are over here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB78fSjtPt4

[Rgvgjhvv]

...

I'm not even going to bother arguing, tbh. Too tired of this :zzz

[Ayetooey]

What counts as Cypriot on that graph, are Turkish Cypriot results also bundled in or is that purely Greek Cypriot results?

[Kivan]

No, they are closer to Turks and Levantines than to Europeans, both genetically and phenotypically.

They are closer to Levantines and Jews, and even Southern Italians while we are closer to Caucasians. About phenotype, they overlap with people from Southern coast of Anatolia. I see little to none similarities of the people of the video with (native) Turks from Aegean, Black Sea or Thrace, for example.

[rein]

What counts as Cypriot on that graph, are Turkish Cypriot results also bundled in or is that purely Greek Cypriot results?

Yes. Jews, Armenians and all kinds of Cypriots.

[Ayetooey]

Yes. Jews, Armenians and all kinds of Cypriots.

Interesting. I would be interested to see Greek Cypriot only results, the thread question is specifically about Greek Cypriots. Posting results which include many different ethnic groups is slightly unfair.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Interesting. I would be interested to see Greek Cypriot only results, the thread question is specifically about Greek Cypriots. Posting results which include many different ethnic groups is slightly unfair.

Thanas' results for reference:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?240131-Thanas-Django-updated-23andme

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?215131-My-(Greek-Cypriot)-DNA-Land-results-are-in

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?249144-Thanas-Django-(Greek-Cypriot)-MLDP-K16

[Mingle]

They are closer to Levantines and Jews, and even Southern Italians while we are closer to Caucasians. About phenotype, they overlap with people from Southern coast of Anatolia. I see little to none similarities of the people of the video with (native) Turks from Aegean, Black Sea or Thrace, for example.Is there an overlap with people from Kappadokia or Eastern Turkey?

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[Hadouken]

Is there an overlap with people from Kappadokia or Eastern Turkey?

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yes there is if I might say .

[Rgvgjhvv]

Night Club Boyz:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?264474-Greek-Cypriots-Night-Club-Edition!

[Böri]

Phoenicians.

[Kivan]

Is there an overlap with people from Kappadokia or Eastern Turkey?

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Judging by the video, it seems to be minimal.

[BreakingBed]

some of them, except the turks that living in the northern cyprus.

[Kaspias]

Turks are definitely not European but Cyprians are European hmmm hmmmm. They were triggered when i said Western Turks have important European admixture, and blamed me like "Turks are West Asians u retarded" but now they are claiming Cyprians are European.

Smeagol claimed Greek Cypriots are European but Turk Cypriots not, well there is no difference between them except 2% East Eurasia admixture.

FUNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD


My answer is no they are not European both genetically and phenotypically. Culture, yes arguable.

[Seth MacFarlane]

genitically they are in between greek islanders and levantines. politically they are european , geographically they are eastern mediterrean like turkey and levant.

[Seth MacFarlane]

Thanas' results for reference:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?240131-Thanas-Django-updated-23andme

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?215131-My-(Greek-Cypriot)-DNA-Land-results-are-in

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?249144-Thanas-Django-(Greek-Cypriot)-MLDP-K16

thanks i was interested in seeing that , ill copy n paste em in the thread

this is Thanos

Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.28
2 West_Asian 21.95
3 West_Med 17.14
4 Atlantic 7.82
5 Red_Sea 7.37
6 Baltic 4.93
7 North_Sea 2.27
8 Eastern_Euro 0.13
9 Northeast_African 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Cyprian 3.77
2 Lebanese_Muslim 8.81
3 Sephardic_Jewish 10.75
4 Tunisian_Jewish 10.87
5 Syrian 11.21
6 Samaritan 11.52
7 Lebanese_Christian 11.74
8 Italian_Jewish 11.83
9 South_Italian 11.99
10 Algerian_Jewish 12
11 Assyrian 13.36
12 Libyan_Jewish 13.41
13 Kurdish_Jewish 14.06
14 Central_Greek 14.13
15 East_Sicilian 14.24
16 Lebanese_Druze 14.26
17 Iranian_Jewish 14.59
18 Turkish 15.04
19 Ashkenazi 15.27
20 Jordanian 15.54





and another calculator eurogenes k13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 39.77
2 West_Asian 21.74
3 West_Med 20.37
4 Red_Sea 7.43
5 North_Atlantic 6.8
6 Baltic 3.74
7 Northeast_African 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Cyprian 2.45
2 Lebanese_Muslim 8.05
3 Samaritan 10.77
4 Lebanese_Christian 10.8
5 Syrian 10.81
6 Tunisian_Jewish 11.12
7 Sephardic_Jewish 11.34
8 Algerian_Jewish 11.94
9 Libyan_Jewish 12.14
10 Lebanese_Druze 12.22
11 Italian_Jewish 12.34
12 South_Italian 12.95
13 Assyrian 13.73
14 Kurdish_Jewish 14.12
15 Jordanian 14.56
16 Ashkenazi 14.58
17 East_Sicilian 14.62
18 Palestinian 14.8
19 Iranian_Jewish 14.85
20 Central_Greek 15.08


Dodekad k12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 44.19
2 Atlantic_Med 20.6
3 Southwest_Asian 16.69
4 Gedrosia 7.71
5 North_European 7.05
6 Northwest_African 3.2
7 East_African 0.48
8 East_Asian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Cypriots (Behar) 5.63
2 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 8.47
3 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 10.35
4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 10.86
5 Lebanese (Behar) 11.88
6 Druze (HGDP) 12.27
7 Turkish (Dodecad) 12.28
8 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 12.69
9 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 12.91
10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 13.15
11 Turks (Behar) 14.48
12 Syrians (Behar) 15.83
13 Greek (Dodecad) 17.04
14 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 17.09
15 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 17.16
16 Assyrian (Dodecad) 17.17
17 Jordanians (Behar) 17.17
18 Armenian (Dodecad) 17.25
19 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 17.33
20 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 17.51

[Jana]

genitically they are in between greek islanders and levantines. politically they are european , geographically they are eastern mediterrean like turkey and levant.

Agree with this.

[Astarte]

No..I mean, Greeks and Italians score the highest in Europe, but the component peaks among Levantines and Mesopotamians as well as in Egyptians, so it's kinda is a MENA component. I'm 8% west med genetically.

You forgot to mention the Assyrians.

[Hadouken]

No..I mean, Greeks and Italians score the highest in Europe, but the component peaks among Levantines and Mesopotamians as well as in Egyptians, so it's kinda is a MENA component. I'm 8% west med genetically.

you and me are more med than some greeks :D

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?217747-Post-your-COMBINED-West-East-Med-scores-from-Eurogenes-k15&p=4565903&viewfull=1#post4565903

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?217747-Post-your-COMBINED-West-East-Med-scores-from-Eurogenes-k15&p=5314556&viewfull=1#post5314556

[Astarte]

Phoenicians.

Shut your börek hole Böri.

[Sikeliot]

Genetically they are between the Levant and Sicily/Greek islands, Sikeliot says. So they are outliers. I said they might consider themselves European because they might not even know that Greeks in Greece are not the same as them genetically.

Here is a Sicilian from Enna, a more isolated region. This person is as close to Cyprus as to Thessalian Greeks (mainland reference). So to answer, Cypriots are basically an even more Levantine version of Sicilians and Cretans.



# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 4.01
2 East_Sicilian 4.51
3 Central_Greek 5.61
4 Italian_Jewish 6.8
5 Ashkenazi 6.88
6 Sephardic_Jewish 7.57
7 Algerian_Jewish 8.24
8 Italian_Abruzzo 8.47
9 West_Sicilian 8.78
10 Greek_Thessaly 11
11 Tunisian_Jewish 11.34
12 Greek 11.35
13 Libyan_Jewish 12.43
14 Cyprian 12.77
15 Tuscan 13.07
16 Lebanese_Muslim 16.24
17 Syrian 16.61
18 Turkish 18.07
19 Bulgarian 18.85
20 Samaritan 18.89

[Kamal900]

you and me are more med than some greeks :D

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?217747-Post-your-COMBINED-West-East-Med-scores-from-Eurogenes-k15&p=4565903&viewfull=1#post4565903

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?217747-Post-your-COMBINED-West-East-Med-scores-from-Eurogenes-k15&p=5314556&viewfull=1#post5314556

Yup. I'm less than 50% Mediterranean, lol.

[Hadouken]

Yup. I'm less than 50% Mediterranean, lol.

you mean you score almost 50% . thats the right way to put it

I am 38% or so

[Sikeliot]

Yup. I'm less than 50% Mediterranean, lol.

What it looks like to me genetically is there is a cline from Central Italy to the Levant, on which Sicilians, South Italians, Aegean islanders, and Cypriots are located.

I can consider Cypriots to be European, since they are roughly intermediate between Sicily and Levant.

[Thanas Django]

They are closer to Levantines and Jews, and even Southern Italians while we are closer to Caucasians. About phenotype, they overlap with people from Southern coast of Anatolia. I see little to none similarities of the people of the video with (native) Turks from Aegean, Black Sea or Thrace, for example.

After the Ottoman conquest of Cyprus the Turks killed so many people that they resettled the island with Anatolians both Turks and Greeks. After 1922 there was a considerable wave of Anatolian Greek refugees who settled in Cyprus. Christian populations from Lebanon were also settled in Cyprus in the last centuries as well as Armenians. In Byzantine times all the inhabitants of several Greek islands were resettled in Cyprus because the islands were hit with a drought. Notably Tilos.

Blanket statements such as your own carry no real meaning.

[Kivan]

After the Ottoman conquest of Cyprus the Turks killed so many people that they resettled the island with Anatolians both Turks and Greeks. After 1922 there was a considerable wave of Anatolian Greek refugees who settled in Cyprus. Christian populations from Lebanon were also settled in Cyprus in the last centuries as well as Armenians. In Byzantine times all the inhabitants of several Greek islands were resettled in Cyprus because the islands were hit with a drought. Notably Tilos.

Blanket statements such as your own carry no real meaning.

My statement was about the natives, only. And what are you trying to say? That native Cypriots were supposed closer to Europeans and that now are Levantines-ish just because of external migrations? That are facts, any person will agree with me, i could show 1000 PCA plots confirming the same about your genetics(i have seen your Gedmatch results here as well) and photos/videos about your phenotypes.

[Seth MacFarlane]

What it looks like to me genetically is there is a cline from Central Italy to the Levant, on which Sicilians, South Italians, Aegean islanders, and Cypriots are located.

I can consider Cypriots to be European, since they are roughly intermediate between Sicily and Levant.

well now actually look at cypriot ged match in multiple calculators they do shift more towards levant, they are in between them but not of a equal distance

[Tauromachos]

I always thought they are, but many people here say they rather look levant than mainland Greeks, idk.

What means they look more Levant than like Mainland Greeks here?

How do Mainland Greeks look like?

What is supposed to be the Mainland Greek look first of all?

Does it realy exist as such or is there a clear objective notion everyone agrees on what it is or what it looks like?

[Joso]

I don't know

[Thanas Django]

And what are you trying to say? That native Cypriots were supposed closer to Europeans and that now are Levantines-ish just because of external migrations? That are facts, any person will agree with me, i could show 1000 PCA plots confirming the same about your genetics(i have seen your Gedmatch results here as well) and photos/videos about your phenotypes.

Here we have you build a little strawman and defeat it all by yourself. tlue stlongman.

What I said was in my post you quoted and has nothing to do with what you say here.



My statement was about the natives, only.

What does "native, only." even mean when we talk about Cyprus?

Whatever natives you are talking about, they are probably carrying a considerable chunk of Anatolian DNA. I told you the island was resettled with Anatolians not just once but a few times. Do you think the Anatolians didn't fuck? Please tell me your definition of native Cypriot.

My statement is to draw a line in the sand between Anatolia and Cyprus with regards to genetics is as ridiculous as drawing a line between Cyprus and the Levant.

Your whole theatrical performance may have been to just say "omg Greek Cypriots cluster with Jews". We know how Muslims love using the word Jew to describe their "enemies".

[FinalFlash]

Yes they are. Their affinity to the Levant is exaggerated I think. If anything, Levantines are the ones who do produce Med Islander individuals sometimes yet almost every Cypriot looks distinctly like a Med Islander.

[Kivan]

What does "native, only." even mean when we talk about Cyprus?

Whatever natives you are talking about, they are probably carrying a considerable chunk of Anatolian DNA. I told you the island was resettled with Anatolians not just once but a few times. Do you think the Anatolians didn't fuck? Please tell me your definition of native Cypriot.
Your logic applies at any ethnic group that are subject to mixing with something else, and, by 'native', i was talking about the modern 'ethnic 'population of the island. Following your logic we couldn't talk about, let's say, mainland Greeks because they might have Slavic admixture in some degree. By the way, could you show who are the "true" Cypriots then(i mean, the unmixed ones) and show their DNA results?



My statement is to draw a line in the sand between Anatolia and Cyprus with regards to genetics is as ridiculous as drawing a line between Cyprus and the Levant.

Your whole theatrical performance may have been to just say "omg Greek Cypriots cluster with Jews". We know how Muslims love using the word Jew to describe their "enemies".
I am just describing what i have seen in the PCA plots and autosomal results, nothing more. And what do you mean and what are you smoking? I'm not even a muslim, and i have nothing against jews. I simply said you plot closer to them because is what the DNA results show. Sorry if it bother you.

[Hellenas]

Cypriots need some eugenics to become fully European genetically and phenotypically, we don't going to leave Cyprus!

Race betterment
http://eugenicsarchive.ca/discover/connections/535eedae7095aa000000024f



I don't even need to explain how foreign most of their faces are over here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB78fSjtPt4

LOL, SOME TANNED OLDMEN WITH PURPOSE TO "PROVE" CYPRIOTS ARE NON-WHITE! :lol:


Some older posts of mine about Cypriots.




Genetics, genetics and genetics, that's all you band, by posting also tanned photos of Cypriots.

Phenotypically Cypriots are a mix between Greeks(from Aegean Islands and mainland Greece) and of Near Easterners(locals of Cyprus and Phoenicians as well as more recent Near Easterners), they always were.

The tanned photos you use to post are BS, very rarely a Cypriot is non-white.

Average Cypriot Male from Nikosia
http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/f285f367-bcd7-465b-b622-3b94b394a876_zps72dfe192.jpg~original
Composite face from the Greek side of the border made by
combining 16 of the individual male faces.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iQsYeozt11I/USd-6O5SJRI/AAAAAAAAAeg/qnk1SgJdW2I/s1600/all75.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bQAcvQkya74/Uzm4WmwbZaI/AAAAAAAAG40/Woa--0GIVIE/s1600/6.gif

http://cyprus-mail.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/missing-persons5.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6170/6179324508_bd8d6e6348_b.jpg

http://www.parikiaki.com/wp-content/uploads/cyprus-national-team.jpg
Cypriots with some foreign Europeans.

http://www.lifo.gr/uploads/image/476727/7.png.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/yvT0PX1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/HuxAj9i.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/IERW8S0.jpg



Below Cypriots with visible Near Easterner phenotype, Armenoids.


http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/veterans-of-the-greek-cypriot-nationalist-eoka-underground-guerrilla-picture-id3188595

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/04/europe_greek_cypriot_voices/img/4.jpg

http://www.naftemporiki.gr/fu/p/729739/638/399/0x000000000084f504/2/glaukos-kliridis-arxeiou.jpg

http://cdn1.bbend.net/media/com_news/story/2016/06/03/702041/main/moustakas.jpg

Greek Cypriots having this brown pigmentation of the two kids at the right as natural are just rare.

http://mylondondiary.co.uk/2005/07/16/050716_n697.jpg


People posting here tanned photos of Cypriots by trying to pass them as niggers are trolls.




Near Easterners/Levantines are not some kind of niggers.

In the Near East/Levant you usually find these 3 phenotypes:

1. Armenoids.

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BXYW0W/syrian-man-in-traditional-head-scarf-old-city-damascus-syria-BXYW0W.jpg

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/DDGBJA/young-syrian-woman-with-hands-off-syria-painted-on-her-cheek-at-demonstration-DDGBJA.jpg

2. Iranids(Middle Easterner brown to light brown skinned).

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/mideast_jordan_syrian_refugees.jpg?quality=90&strip=all

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/26/article-2378815-1B007228000005DC-702_634x467.jpg

Also Asiatic Alpines.

http://storage.torontosun.com/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/suns-prod-images/1297779295773_ORIGINAL.jpg?quality=80&size=420x

http://syrianobserver.com/tjcgArtImages/images/IMG-TFI-67324.jpg

3. Aegean Euro-Mediterranids(at the coasts)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVAjwaoWEAQqqDj.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02129/Syrian_2129640b.jpg


And all these types mixed together.


Sources:

"Contributions to the Anthropology of the Near-East"
http://www.dwc.knaw.nl/DL/publications/PU00015950.pdf

"The early inhabitants of western Asia"
https://archive.org/stream/earlyinhabitants00luscrich#page/n3/mode/2up

"The racial characteristics of Syrians and Armenians"
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5758366b/f415.image




Cypriots = Europeans + Near Easterners.

Levantines = Near Easterners(Armenoids) + Middle Easterners + Europeans.


Cypriots are not Levantines, Cypriots are just mixed Europeans.

[Hellenas]

The Italian actor you posted.

https://www.superiorpics.com/pictures/thumb270/Imperioli_M25660.jpg

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Michael+Imperioli+Detroit+1+8+7+Detroit+Special+Me dBFB0a0zcl.jpg

Armenoids can be found in Sicily.

Al Pacino.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Al_Pacino_Cannes_1996.jpg

http://topyaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/al-pacino.jpg

https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/al-pacino.jpg?w=1000&h=750&crop=1

"Because of the lack of clear distinction in craniological studies between Armenoid and Alpine crania, considerable uncertainty prevails as to the prehistoric distribution of the Armenoid race in Europe. Apparently no great extension into Europe of this physical type in its purity occurred in prehistoric times, so far as can be judged from archeological remains. It seems clear, nevertheless, that the oriental phase of the first Early Iron Age, generally called the Hallstatt period in central Europe and dating from about 700 to 500 B.C., witnessed a considerable diffusion of Armenoids from Asia Minor into the Balkan Peninsula, Greece, Italy, and probably other areas adjacent to Asia Minor. The Etruscans almost certainly came from Asia Minor and settled in Italy about the eighth century B.C. And there is reason for believing that they were in some degree Armenoid."

-Hooton

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/single/?p=1017353&t=5088582

The southern Italians, as this survey will indicate, are a distinctive group of people who will not fall into any one recognized racial category. Besides conventional Mediterraneans and Alpines there are two special types which are particularly common, and will be familiar to anyone living in Italian sections of the United States, as well as to anyone who has visited southern Italy. These are: (1) a coarse Mediterranean, short-statured, thick-limbed, mesocephalic, possessing a narrow forehead, wide malars, heavy browridges, a short, broad, straight or lightly concave nose with upturned tip, a strong jaw, and some prognathism; (2) a local approximation to an Armenoid, short-statured, especially thick-set and short-necked, with a flattened occiput, dome-shaped lateral vault profile, heavy browridges, a high-rooted, high-bridged, thick-tipped and depressed-tipped nose, and an especially prominent jaw.

The coarse Mediterranean mesocephal has counterparts in Spain and Portugal, as well as North Africa, and goes back at least to the time of the shell-heap burials of Muge. It seems, however, especially prevalent among South Italians. The local Armenoid may be partly descended from Near Easterners brought to cental and southern Italy in imperial times, but it is more likely that it is to a greater extent a local combination of Alpine with various Mediterranean elements, through the mechanism of differential inheritance.

-Carleton Coon

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XII7.htm





Most Greek Cypriots have natural pale white skin color and south-east european features, still not white...? Other Greek Cypriots have natural pale white skin color and near eastern armenoid features, not white if we only consider that Armenoid is a non-European phenotype and then there are some light brown and fewer brown skinned Greek Cypriots who definetely are not white.

To say all are this, all are that is wrong.


Famous Cypriot singers.



http://www.govastileto.gr/assets/images/224644.jpg

Anna Vissi

http://cdn.cnngreece.gr/media/com_news/story/2016/09/07/45421/main/6e3579df58183ebf7b48cfde6b2b96a0_XL.jpg

Michalis Hatzigiannis

https://www.mygreekfm.com/covers/art-photo/img-5a4ea43655497172801b3eff68e833a9/3233/image.jpg?1

Michalis Violaris

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ANms7HEa2QM/TUb2LAYxqXI/AAAAAAAAB5s/TP7n-LcxH9Y/s1600/12319_388130808469_56816793469_3823505_2082650_n.j pg

Konstantina

https://www.govastileto.gr/assets/images/185910.jpg

Evridice

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bviiPGOQhLM/VQ0w0ZFMOnI/AAAAAAAADkk/De5k3OkeHsU/s1600/MV5BMjEwODg3NTYwNl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMTYyOTQwNg%40% 40._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg

Alexia

http://www.i-eidisi.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/%CE%97-%CE%B1%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%B2%CE%AE-%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%85-%CF%80%CE%AE%CF%81%CE%B5-%CE%B1%CF%80%CF%8C-%CF%84%CE%B7%CE%BD-%CE%95%CE%A1%CE%A4-%CE%BF-%CE%9A%CF%89%CE%BD%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%BD%CF%84%C E%AF%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82-%CE%A7%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%86%CF%8C%C F%81%CE%BF%CF%85-656x330.jpg

Konstantinos Christoforou

http://www.backstage24.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/ioannidis.jpg

Alkinoos Ioannidis

http://st-listas.20minutos.es/images/2013-08/367980/4152749_640px.jpg?1377542398

Hivi Adamou

https://tempo24.news/sites/default/files/articles/2015/04/06/det_mariaelenakyriakou_cover.jpg

Maria Hellena Kyriakou

http://www.govastileto.gr/assets/images/60421.jpg

Stavros Konstantinou

http://www.peoplegreece.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/15/eleftheria-eleftheriou-homepage.png

Eleftheria Eleftheriou

http://www.star-fm.gr/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/olympioy-2.jpg

Despina Olympiou

http://www.gossip-tv.gr/media/com_news/story/2011/11/14/150094/main/a94ddf06255b0e4efc91a86f544dbba9.jpg

Giorgos Theophanous(composer)

http://www.agiosgeorgiossylikou.org/uploads/images/Gallery/marios_tokas/N1.jpg

Marios Tokas(composer)

http://www.e-orfeas.gr/images/stories/2008/afierwmata/loizos/loizos_2.jpghttp://www.musiccorner.gr/images/various/loizos_01.jpg

Manos Loizos(composer)


Greeks just love them.

[Hellenas]

This Seth MacFarlane keep posting heavily tanned Cypriots by trying to pass them for Arabs.

http://epikaira.gr/var/thumbs/1403879111a684aaed734d0b729c6312d26a21f69c.jpg
http://city.sigmalive.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_image_625x435/public/article/2016-06/teke-aa2.jpg?itok=2fumqF8c
http://like.philenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/kentriki-4.jpg
http://www.i-eidisi.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/cover-1-770x439_c.jpg
http://like.philenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/tragoudistes.jpg
http://www.eprovoli.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/113-36839.14216565463464.75585b38736a4db22f2a8622b2810 1fa.jpg
http://www.cityway.gr/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/immigrants3.jpg
http://www.ilovestyle.com/sites/default/files/sitefiles/10252026_10206166724991549_2278167586683064601_n_a rthro.jpg
http://www.ilovestyle.com/sites/default/files/sitefiles/10994447_659236567514684_4367461621305146382_n_art hro.jpg




Swedes in Cyprus

Even Northern Tourists in Cyprus are tanned!

http://cdn1.bbend.net/media/com_news/story/2012/06/22/212610/main/b92a9c7f37c5654b328a9ec1aeb2ee6b.jpg

Link with Swedes in Cyprus: http://www.onsports.gr/Cheerleaders/item/485102-Soyidezes-gdythikan-me-fanela-toy-APOEL-photos



Mr Cyprus 2017

http://dromosfm.alfanews.com.cy/media/k2/items/cache/f986d21835fb47e30e4c2723b79709b8_XL.jpg
Click to enlarge: http://dromosfm.alfanews.com.cy/media/k2/items/cache/f986d21835fb47e30e4c2723b79709b8_XL.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OMOJIfILwY


https://i.imgur.com/4QNktQ7.jpg?2

Greek Cypriots may are mixed with West Asians but more than half of them look like Island and Mainland Greeks.

[Thanas Django]

Your logic applies at any ethnic group that are subject to mixing with something else

Some pretty good logic then.


and, by 'native', i was talking about the modern 'ethnic 'population of the island.

Thanx for specifying.


Following your logic we couldn't talk about, let's say, mainland Greeks because they might have Slavic admixture in some degree.

No, that has nothing to do with my logic. I am the best at logic. It's your logic that's faulty.


.

By the way, could you show me who the true unmixed Cypriots are and post their DNA results alongside them?



I am just describing what i have seen in the PCA plots and autosomal results, nothing more.

You just looked at a few night club pictures and went "THESE PEOPLE DUN LOOK LIKE MY ANATOLIAN PEOPLE, WE ARE CAUCASIANS" lol "AND THEY PLOT WITH ARABS AND JEWS OMG"

and I just replied "Hold your horses Turkoherpderp, we have been receiving DNA input from Anatolia for millenia now. There should not be as much difference as you imply".


.

I don't know what you are smoking. Sorry if it bothers you that Cypriots have more Anatolian DNA than you would like.

According to your logic if my grandma had balls she would be a bicycle.

[Tauromachos]

I don't even need to explain how foreign most of their faces are over here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB78fSjtPt4

Yes you don't need since your comparison here is also crap

How foreign a Cypriot looks in Serbia is totally meaningless for the question if Cypriots are more similar to Europeans or Levantines in general

It would be better to compare them to South Italians,Mainland Greece and maybe Iberians

I mean hell,not even Mainland Greeks look the same with Serbians

[Thanas Django]

Given that I seem to score way more European than the average Cypriot on 23andme I took it upon myself to ask my mother for information regarding our genealogical tree.

Her answer will fly over most user's heads but I hope it entertains future Cypriot members who will read this post.

"Your paternal grandfather comes from Taktakala, that's where all the καυκατζίες (kavgaci) (someone who likes to fight) come from.

Your paternal grandmother comes from Lemythou, that's where all the οβραίοι (jews) come from.

From my side your grandfather came from Kythrea, he was a generous man he gave ποδίνες (shoes) to all the refugees from Asia Minor for free

your maternal grandmother came from Limassol, she was a teacher, very educated person"


This is my geneological tree for everyone interested.

[Centurion]

Greek Cypriots are European (though they are far to be 100% Euro) and other Cypriots are not (though they often have a notable amount of Euro blood).

[MercifulServant]

West med peak in europe (sardinia and basques), east med peaks in Levant so it isnt Euro component though most Euros score some.

Greek Cypriots I consider European culturally but genetically they are more Levantine than European.

I think overwhelming majority of Europeans consider Cypriots part of Europe.

I agree that they are culturally part of Europe for sure. But genetically not really. Most of the results posted indicates they are more Levantine then euro.

[Leto]

Many don't. Just like many posters like yourself like to post bollocks to pass themselves as authorities then hide behind words such as often and many.
The guy has uploaded his data to MyHeritage, here's the result
https://youtu.be/fX8EPrd-vE4
He is 61.5% Greek and 1.5% Italian which means 63% European. The rest is Jewish, ME and West Asian.

[Thanas Django]

The guy has uploaded his data to MyHeritage, here's the result
https://youtu.be/fX8EPrd-vE4
He is 61.5% Greek and 1.5% Italian which means 63% European. The rest is Jewish, ME and West Asian.

Lol, I still think Myheritage is crap.

Here is my Myheritage. The results are different to what I get on 23andme. That is for sure.

Europa
50,5%
Süd-Europa
47,8%
Italiener
34,4%
Grieche
13,4%
Aschkenasischer Jude
2,7%
Aschkenasischer Jude
2,7%
Mittlerer Osten
23,1%
Mittlerer Osten
23,1%
Orientale
23,1%
Asien
23,0%
Westasien
23,0%
Westasiate
23,0%
Afrika
3,4%
Nordafrika
3,4%
Nordafrikaner
3,4%

[Maintenance]

Given that I seem to score way more European than the average Cypriot on 23andme I took it upon myself to ask my mother for information regarding our genealogical tree.

Her answer will fly over most user's heads but I hope it entertains future Cypriot members who will read this post.

"Your paternal grandfather comes from Taktakala, that's where all the καυκατζίες (kavgaci) (someone who likes to fight) come from.

Your paternal grandmother comes from Lemythou, that's where all the οβραίοι (jews) come from.

From my side your grandfather came from Kythrea, he was a generous man he gave ποδίνες (shoes) to all the refugees from Asia Minor for free

your maternal grandmother came from Limassol, she was a teacher, very educated person"


This is my geneological tree for everyone interested.


https://youtu.be/S0dRCSYfmfA

[Mingle]

Lol, I still think Myheritage is crap.

Here is my Myheritage. The results are different to what I get on 23andme. That is for sure.

Europa
50,5%
Süd-Europa
47,8%
Italiener
34,4%
Grieche
13,4%
Aschkenasischer Jude
2,7%
Aschkenasischer Jude
2,7%
Mittlerer Osten
23,1%
Mittlerer Osten
23,1%
Orientale
23,1%
Asien
23,0%
Westasien
23,0%
Westasiate
23,0%
Afrika
3,4%
Nordafrika
3,4%
Nordafrikaner
3,4%

What's the difference between Mittlerer Osten (Middle Eastern), Orientale, Wesasien, and Westasiate?

[Leto]

Lol, I still think Myheritage is crap.

Here is my Myheritage. The results are different to what I get on 23andme. That is for sure.

Europa
50,5%
Süd-Europa
47,8%
Italiener
34,4%
Grieche
13,4%
Aschkenasischer Jude
2,7%
Aschkenasischer Jude
2,7%
Mittlerer Osten
23,1%
Mittlerer Osten
23,1%
Orientale
23,1%
Asien
23,0%
Westasien
23,0%
Westasiate
23,0%
Afrika
3,4%
Nordafrika
3,4%
Nordafrikaner
3,4%
Why is that in German? Do you live in Germany? Now tell me if you are seen as white in Germany. Germans are as white as it gets, it's not Venezuela, so their opinion is interesting.

[CommonSense]

Yes you don't need since your comparison here is also crap

How foreign a Cypriot looks in Serbia is totally meaningless for the question if Cypriots are more similar to Europeans or Levantines in general

It would be better to compare them to South Italians,Mainland Greece and maybe Iberians

I mean hell,not even Mainland Greeks look the same with Serbians

There isn't much of a difference between proper Southern Europeans and Serbs, most of you could certainly pass here, but the same can't be said about Cypriots (too many of them are heavily Levant and West Asian looking).

[Mingle]

Yes you don't need since your comparison here is also crap

How foreign a Cypriot looks in Serbia is totally meaningless for the question if Cypriots are more similar to Europeans or Levantines in general

It would be better to compare them to South Italians,Mainland Greece and maybe Iberians

I mean hell,not even Mainland Greeks look the same with Serbians

The ones in the video mostly don't pass in Southern Europe in general. The girl in the thumbnail looks European whereas the others look West Asian.

[J. Ketch]

lol at the poll being 50-50. What a joke forum.

[Token]

Transitional between Europeans and Levantines.

[Hellenas]

Transitional between Europeans and Levantines.

This ^

[MercifulServant]

lol at the poll being 50-50. What a joke forum.

Ikr. Genetic evidence proves they are closer to the Levant then Europe

[Tauromachos]

Ikr. Genetic evidence proves they are closer to the Levant then Europe

What do you mean by Europe?

If we take South Italy or Aegean Greek regions this is not true afaik

Also why are you so obsessed with Cypriots?

[MercifulServant]

What do you mean by Europe?

If we take South Italy or Aegean Greek regions this is not true afaik

Also why are you so obsessed with Cypriots?

How the fuck am I obsessed? I made one thread. Sicilians are already half Levantine and Cypriots are even more than that. Cypriots do not cluster genetically with Europeans deal with it.

[Tauromachos]

How the fuck am I obsessed? I made one thread. Sicilians are already half Levantine and Cypriots are even more than that. Cypriots do not cluster genetically with Europeans deal with it.

You posted about them already in the past a couple of silly things

And now you made a thread if they are European


You have nothing to do with Cyprus or Cypriots so why do you even care what they are?

Why do i have to deal with what a Serb thinks about Cypriots?

Shall i make threads now where i ask if Serbs are part Gypsy?

[DarknessWin]

Some of them are and some of them are not.
I mean they have many arabids and west asians in the island but also have many europeans

[MercifulServant]

You posted about them already in the past a couple of silly things

And now you made a thread if they are European


You have nothing to do with Cyprus or Cypriots so why do you even care what they are?

Why do i have to deal with what a Serb thinks about Cypriots?

Shall i make threads now where i ask if Serbs are part Gypsy?

Idc about being pure european or whatever. But there is no genetic evidence that we are gypsy. On the other hand there is genetic proof Cypriots cluster more with Levantines then euros

[rein]

Idc about being pure european or whatever. But there is no genetic evidence that we are gypsy. On the other hand there is genetic proof Cypriots cluster more with Levantines then euros

They’re certainly in between.

https://i.imgur.com/5jbkEdu.png

[Hadouken]

They’re certainly in between.

https://i.imgur.com/5jbkEdu.png

from finland to cyprus . le european race :)

10 races on this plot :)

herp derp

[MercifulServant]

They’re certainly in between.

https://i.imgur.com/5jbkEdu.png

See, they are even closer to Lebanese then south italians

[Rgvgjhvv]

I love how some people forget there's different types of Cypriots as well. Obviously the Turkish Cypriots will plot closer to West Asians. The Greek Cypriots will be closer to Greeks (obviously) with some having ancient admixture which pulls them towards the Levant

[Rgvgjhvv]

Putting all Cypriots into one group clearly isn't the most accurate way of doing it

[rein]

I love how some people forget there's different types of Cypriots as well. Obviously the Turkish Cypriots will plot closer to West Asians. The Greek Cypriots will be closer to Greeks (obviously) with some having ancient admixture which pulls them towards the Levant

Still 80% of the island is Greek Cypriot.

[Tauromachos]

Idc about being pure european or whatever. But there is no genetic evidence that we are gypsy.


There are people in Serbia which have mixed Serbian and Gypsy ancestry.
Mortimer for example is one of them

Its fact and doesn't matter if you count them now
as Serbs or not they live there and are part of your country



On the other hand there is genetic proof Cypriots cluster more with Levantines then euros

As i said again if you compare Cypriots to European people who are culturaly,historically and ethnically related
to Cypriots such as South Italians and other Greek speaking populations at least Non Mainland ones this is in general
not true.

Now if you compare them to Swedes or Poles or even to Serbs the comparism becomes arbitrary.

No one denies Cypriots have extra Levantine ancestry

[Leto]

Putting all Cypriots into one group clearly isn't the most accurate way of doing it
I think virtually everyone here would agree that Turkish Cypriots are not European. They are out of the question.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Still 80% of the island is Greek Cypriot.

Never forget it babeh

[Rgvgjhvv]

It's important to understand simple geography, but also simple history. Of course there will be Greek Cypriots who plot close to some Levantine populations. Just look on a map. But don't ignore the Greek history either. Greeks have lived there for centuries, Cyprus is simply just a more Eastern shifting part of Greek ethnicity. Just how Greeks in the north may shift closer to Albania or Northern Macedonia. To think Greek Cypriots aren't European because their specific shift is pulling them towards the Levant's direction is really stupid.

[DarknessWin]

Still 80% of the island is Greek Cypriot.

Hellenized

Greek types there at 30% at best

[Kivan]

lol at the poll being 50-50. What a joke forum.

The countless Gedmatch results and PCA plots already showed to who they are closer genetically. People here have simply ethnic bias.

[Mingle]

They’re certainly in between.

https://i.imgur.com/5jbkEdu.png

Here is another PCA from yesterday on K15 results:

https://i.imgur.com/YSEJdYn.png

They seem to be heavily overlapping with Levantines here.

[Mingle]

Hellenized

Greek types there at 30% at best

Compared to Levantines, Cypriots have a shift towards Greece. Even though they are mostly of native DNA, they tend to show a greater shift towards Europe compared to Levantines so I'd say they most likely have partial ancestry from Greece's Greeks.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Compared to Levantines, Cypriots have a shift towards Greece. Even though they are mostly of native DNA, they tend to show a greater shift towards Europe compared to Levantines so I'd say they most likely have partial ancestry from Greece's Greeks.

Of course

[Zroota]

Since when is European a race? Cyprus is only in Europe because of religious and cultural reasons. In one second, they can have it categorised under Western Asia if they want to, just the same way Sicily and Malta can be in North Africa as well (after all, they lie on the African plate). So do this mean Sicilians and the Maltese are north Africans?

Anyway, if the EU considers these countries to be part of Europe then their native inhabitants are...European. The boundaries of Europe are mostly human inventions. If Israel were an island slightly strayed off from West Asia I'm pretty sure they would've regarded it as part of Europe.

[Tauromachos]

Since when is European a race? Cyprus is only in Europe because of religious and cultural reasons. In one second, they can have it categorised under Western Asia if they want to, just the same way Sicily and Malta can be in North Africa as well (after all, they lie on the African plate). So do this mean Sicilians and the Maltese are north Africans?

Sicilians and Maltese have more North African shared ancestry than other Europeans but they are far from being genetically identical or even close to
proper North Africans

Sicily is certainly not on the African plate
If it is then so is Crete or even the Southern tip of the Peloponnese




Anyway, if the EU considers these countries to be part of Europe then their native inhabitants are...European. The boundaries of Europe are mostly human inventions. If Israel were an island slightly strayed off from West Asia I'm pretty sure they would've regarded it as part of Europe.

Israel is considered together with the US and Australia part of the Western World and not of Europe.

Yes its in this context more or cultural or political notion.

Geographically speaking as an Island Cyprus is neither part of Continental West Asia nor of Europe,technically speaking its closer to West Asia,yes

[StonyArabia]

Yes culturally and partially genetic

[Bogdan]

Partially

[archangel]

who cares though they are southerns

[Seth MacFarlane]

They’re certainly in between.

https://i.imgur.com/5jbkEdu.png

Barely , they’re only in between the most furthest Greeks , southern most Italians and Jews (who are already about half Levantine).

[Marshall Theodore]

yes, Cypriots are European and I also consider Israelis and Lebanese to be European

Pure mental illness.

Israelis and Lebanese are as europeans as blacks, Cypriots are not europeans either, at least not mainly.

[DraviXi99]

Pure mental illness.

Israelis and Lebanese are as europeans as maghrebis, Cypriots are not europeans either, at least not mainly.

Cypriots are genetically greek i think.

[Marshall Theodore]

Cypriots are genetically greek i think.

Half Greeks to be exactly, actually they're almost eurasian mutts (half greek/levantine), and i dont consider it to be european, at least not genetically.

[Jingle Bell]

Borderline Europeans/MENAS

Target: East_Med:Greek_Cyprus
Distance: 1.4693% / 0.01469294
46.4 Phoenician*(1000–330*BC)
25.4 Greek*(770–400*BC)
25.0 Greek*(AD*250–410)
3.2 Slavic*(AD*540–1100)

[Smeagol]

Genetically they're about half European. Culturally Greek Cypriots are Europeans.

[Monapps]

Half Greeks to be exactly, actually they're almost eurasian mutts (half greek/levantine), and i dont consider it to be european, at least not genetically.

Actually Cypriots, Aegean islanders and Maniots are the closest descendants of ancient Greeks while the majority of mainlanders have Slavic admixture. So yes, they're as European as one can get.

[Marshall Theodore]

Actually Cypriots, Aegean islanders and Maniots are the closest descendants of ancient Greeks while the majority of mainlanders have Slavic admixture. So yes, they're as European as one can get.

Yes, europeans that are closer to iraqis than any other euro ethnicity, good observation, they're the epitome of whiteness.

What a joke, i lived enough to see someone calling near easterners "europeans/white" :laugh::laugh:

[DraviXi99]

Half Greeks to be exactly, actually they're almost eurasian mutts (half greek/levantine), and i dont consider it to be european, at least not genetically.

Didn't know about that.

[Cassidy1234]

Genetically they're about half European. Culturally Greek Cypriots are Europeans.

Hmm, that's not how it goes, dude. If anything, it's European Jewry are like that. Cypriots cluster more closer to other middle easterners than to other Europeans. On average, they're around 30% Aegean while the rest is Levantine and Anatolian. Most of the DNA in Jewry comes from the Greco-Roman sources with some Germanic and Slavic admixtures.
https://i.ibb.co/TKp5H6t/2023-03-29-05-44-34-vahaduo-github-io-453b712882e3.jpg

[Smeagol]

Hmm, that's not how it goes, dude. If anything, it's European Jewry are like that. Cypriots cluster more closer to other middle easterners than to other Europeans. On average, they're around 30% Aegean while the rest is Levantine and Anatolian. Most of the DNA in Jewry comes from the Greco-Roman sources with some Germanic and Slavic admixtures.
https://i.ibb.co/TKp5H6t/2023-03-29-05-44-34-vahaduo-github-io-453b712882e3.jpg

Yeah, looks like they're less European than I thought.

[Monapps]

Pure mental illness.

Israelis and Lebanese are as europeans as blacks, Cypriots are not europeans either, at least not mainly.

The founders of Western Civilization aren't European to you??

[Marshall Theodore]

The founders of Western Civilization aren't European to you??

What is more important to you, genetics or cultural contribution?

[Monapps]

What is more important to you, genetics or cultural contribution?

Both are related. You can't have one without the other.

[Jingle Bell]

Hmm, that's not how it goes, dude. If anything, it's European Jewry are like that. Cypriots cluster more closer to other middle easterners than to other Europeans. On average, they're around 30% Aegean while the rest is Levantine and Anatolian. Most of the DNA in Jewry comes from the Greco-Roman sources with some Germanic and Slavic admixtures.
https://i.ibb.co/TKp5H6t/2023-03-29-05-44-34-vahaduo-github-io-453b712882e3.jpg

They clusts far from Europe bcs their lack of WHG & little Steppe

Ancient Greeks were also closer to MENAS rather to some other Euros. (Bcs their mega Med like genotype) Do u consider they white? Cypriots by the way are almost half Mycenian like


Distance to: GrGRC:Mycenaean:I9041
0.05109016 South_Italy:Italian_Apulia
0.05645161 Aegean:Greek_Peloponnese
0.05798062 Aegean:Greek_Crete
0.06059853 Ashkenazim:Germany+Poland
0.06130159 South_Italy:Sicilian_West
0.06335438 Sephardim
0.06477273 Ashkenazim:AshkenaziBelarussia+Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.06568100 Tuscany:Italian_Tuscany
0.06660814 Ashkenazim:AshkenaziRussia+AshkenaziUkrania
0.07431280 West_Balkans:Albanian
0.08295308 Italy:Etruscan
0.08456407 North_Italy:Italian_Liguria
0.08657406 Sardinia:Sardinian
0.09595857 East_Iberia:Spanish_Eivissa
0.09749258 West_Iberia:Portuguese
0.09886149 West_Iberia:Spanish_Andalucia
0.10174292 France:French_Provence
0.10266241 East_Balkans:Bulgarian
0.10383563 East_Iberia:Spanish_Aragon
0.10941393 East_Balkans:Romanian
0.10956225 Mizrahim
0.10963843 Northern_Mesopotamia:Assyrian
0.11096471 Mountain_Jew
0.11150953 South_Turkey:Turkish_Adana
0.11293091 Southern_Mesopotamia:Mandean
0.11705564 Southern_Caucaus:Georgian_Laz
0.12383552 Southwest_Germanic:Swiss_German
0.12415526 Northern_Turkey:Turkish_Samsun
0.12638304 South_Turkey:Turkish_Aydin
0.12692919 Basque:Basque_Spanish
0.12758183 France:French_Paris
0.13019803 Northern_Western_Iran:Iranian_Kurdistan
0.13022021 Egypt:Ancient_Egyptian
0.13024427 Northern_Azerbaijan
0.13104227 Kurdish:Kurdish
0.13369925 Northwest_Germanic:Belgian
0.13600150 Southern_Azerbaijan
0.14001443 Southern_Western_Iran:Lor
0.14256165 West_Balkans:Croatian
0.14388717 Central_Iran:Persian_Isfahan
0.14558021 Northwest_Caucasus:Circassian
0.14697203 Pannonia:Hungarian
0.14915022 Southern_Iran_Persian_Fars
0.15118562 Northeast_Caucasus:Chechen
0.15604643 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English
0.15840273 Northwest_Germanic:Dutch
0.16018727 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:Scottish
0.16110129 East_Germanic:German_East
0.16579303 Northern_Iran:Mazandarani
0.17290247 Northern_Arabia:BedouinB