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lameduck
11-04-2018, 06:48 AM
harrapa

Population
S-Indian 13.54
Baloch 52.34
Caucasian 18.39
NE-Euro 0.76
SE-Asian 0.35
Siberian 0.11
NE-Asian -
Papuan 0.50
American 0.66
Beringian -
Mediterranean 2.45
SW-Asian 10.28
San 0.13
E-African -
Pygmy 0.16
W-African 0.33


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 balochi (hgdp) 5.4
2 makrani (hgdp) 5.87
3 brahui (hgdp) 8.11
4 kalash (hgdp) 17.36
5 bhatia (harappa) 18.07
6 pathan (hgdp) 18.24
7 sindhi (hgdp) 18.92
8 sindhi (harappa) 19.32
9 pashtun (harappa) 20.58
10 burusho (hgdp) 21.03
11 punjabi-arain (xing) 21.27
12 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 22.56
13 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 22.94
14 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 23.39
15 kashmiri (harappa) 23.66
16 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 24.15
17 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 24.67
18 punjabi (harappa) 24.68
19 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 24.86
20 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 25.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91% balochi (hgdp) + 9% iranian-jew (behar) @ 3.18
2 90.7% balochi (hgdp) + 9.3% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) @ 3.18
3 91.1% balochi (hgdp) + 8.9% assyrian (harappa) @ 3.19
4 91.5% balochi (hgdp) + 8.5% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 3.2
5 91.3% balochi (hgdp) + 8.7% iraq-jew (behar) @ 3.24
6 91.7% balochi (hgdp) + 8.3% georgia-jew (behar) @ 3.32
7 93.2% balochi (hgdp) + 6.8% druze (hgdp) @ 3.39
8 92.2% balochi (hgdp) + 7.8% armenian (behar) @ 3.45
9 90.7% balochi (hgdp) + 9.3% uzbekistan-jew (behar) @ 3.45
10 89.2% balochi (hgdp) + 10.8% kurd (xing) @ 3.47
11 92.4% balochi (hgdp) + 7.6% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 3.47
12 92.5% balochi (hgdp) + 7.5% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 3.49
13 93.5% balochi (hgdp) + 6.5% georgian (behar) @ 3.53
14 88.4% balochi (hgdp) + 11.6% iranian (behar) @ 3.58
15 89.2% balochi (hgdp) + 10.8% kurd (harappa) @ 3.59
16 93.3% balochi (hgdp) + 6.7% samaritian (behar) @ 3.62
17 88.9% brahui (hgdp) + 11.1% druze (hgdp) @ 3.64
18 93.4% balochi (hgdp) + 6.6% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 3.64
19 86.6% brahui (hgdp) + 13.4% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 3.65
20 92.4% balochi (hgdp) + 7.6% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 3.7


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 balochi_hgdp @ 5.966030
2 makrani_hgdp @ 6.275912
3 brahui_hgdp @ 9.008874
4 kalash_hgdp @ 18.976643
5 bhatia_harappa @ 19.856991
6 pathan_hgdp @ 20.029099
7 sindhi_hgdp @ 20.884434
8 sindhi_harappa @ 21.261734
9 pashtun_harappa @ 22.582396
10 burusho_hgdp @ 23.003529
11 punjabi-arain_xing @ 23.460674
12 punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 24.814323
13 punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 25.287086
14 punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 25.722546
15 kashmiri_harappa @ 26.014353
16 gujarati-muslim_harappa @ 26.620924
17 kashmiri-pandit_reich @ 27.150229
18 punjabi_harappa @ 27.205433
19 kashmiri-pahari_harappa @ 27.420931
20 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 28.041216

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% balochi_hgdp +50% makrani_hgdp @ 5.641962


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% brahui_hgdp +25% brahui_hgdp +25% iranian_behar @ 5.109366

Leto
11-04-2018, 07:06 AM
Entirely pre-Aryan, virtually no European admixture. Can you please add Dodecad K12b?

lameduck
11-04-2018, 07:15 AM
Entirely pre-Aryan, virtually no European admixture. Can you please add Dodecad K12b?

i only have harrapa at the moment , I have asked the guy for dodecad K12b will post once I got them.

lameduck
11-04-2018, 08:54 AM
Entirely pre-Aryan, virtually no European admixture. Can you please add Dodecad K12b?

here you go

Gedrosia 56.68
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.49
Atlantic_Med 2.80
North_European 2.05
South_Asian 13.97
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.05
East_Asian -
Caucasus 12.41
Sub_Saharan 0.55

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Makrani (HGDP) 8.4
2 Balochi (HGDP) 9.65
3 Brahui (HGDP) 16.09
4 Pathan (HGDP) 19.63
5 Sindhi (HGDP) 20.41
6 Burusho (HGDP) 23.46
7 Jatt (Dodecad) 24.62
8 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 29.99
9 Iranians (Behar) 33.62
10 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 33.98
11 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 36.11
12 Iranian (Dodecad) 37.23
13 Cochin_Jews (Behar) 37.65
14 Kurd (Dodecad) 38.12
15 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) 38.34
16 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) 39.25
17 Indian (Dodecad) 39.58
18 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 39.65
19 Kshatriya (Metspalu) 39.89
20 Iyer (Dodecad) 40.73

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79% Balochi (HGDP) + 21% Iranians (Behar) @ 3.84
2 80.8% Balochi (HGDP) + 19.2% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 3.92
3 85.7% Balochi (HGDP) + 14.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 3.94
4 86% Balochi (HGDP) + 14% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 3.95
5 85.4% Balochi (HGDP) + 14.6% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.97
6 84.1% Balochi (HGDP) + 15.9% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.99
7 86.3% Balochi (HGDP) + 13.7% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 4.02
8 86.9% Balochi (HGDP) + 13.1% Armenians (Behar) @ 4.04
9 85.6% Balochi (HGDP) + 14.4% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 4.04
10 85.3% Balochi (HGDP) + 14.7% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 4.1
11 86.9% Balochi (HGDP) + 13.1% Druze (HGDP) @ 4.11
12 85.6% Balochi (HGDP) + 14.4% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 4.21
13 81.4% Balochi (HGDP) + 18.6% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 4.29
14 82% Balochi (HGDP) + 18% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 4.31
15 85.5% Balochi (HGDP) + 14.5% Turks (Behar) @ 4.31
16 88.1% Balochi (HGDP) + 11.9% Samaritians (Behar) @ 4.42
17 86% Balochi (HGDP) + 14% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 4.42
18 88.8% Balochi (HGDP) + 11.2% Georgians (Behar) @ 4.47
19 88.4% Balochi (HGDP) + 11.6% Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.5
20 86.2% Balochi (HGDP) + 13.8% Lebanese (Behar) @ 4.55

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Makrani_HGDP @ 8.767934
2 Balochi_HGDP @ 10.653757
3 Brahui_HGDP @ 17.809906
4 Pathan_HGDP @ 21.091715
5 Sindhi_HGDP @ 21.692213
6 Burusho_HGDP @ 24.842518
7 Jatt_Dodecad @ 26.396502
8 Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 32.176071
9 Meena_Metspalu @ 36.163258
10 Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 36.817635
11 Iranians_Behar @ 37.111034
12 Bnei_Menashe_Jews_Behar @ 38.932476
13 Cochin_Jews_Behar @ 40.085358
14 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu @ 40.910934
15 Iranian_Dodecad @ 41.148972
16 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu_Metspalu @ 41.629520
17 Indian_Dodecad @ 41.968063
18 Kurd_Dodecad @ 42.052803
19 Kshatriya_Metspalu @ 42.419266
20 Iyer_Dodecad @ 43.237411

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Makrani_HGDP +50% Makrani_HGDP @ 8.767934

NPKTO
11-04-2018, 03:03 PM
Wow literally no NE Euro. They gotta be the least ASI shifted group in whole South Asia (even people in Far North are getting 15-20% S Indian). But their SW Asian is quite high. I wonder if there was a separate movement of Arabs in Sindh. This individual might be of the type that built Indus Valley Civilization & employed tribals as laborers and possibly also incorporated some of them in their family. Together with tribals, they built IVC, hence we have more ASI shifted people in South Asia now.

Hadouken
11-04-2018, 03:08 PM
Wow literally no NE Euro. They gotta be the least ASI shifted group in whole South Asia (even people in Far North are getting 15-20% S Indian). But their SW Asian is quite high. I wonder if there was a separate movement of Arabs in Sindh. This individual might be of the type that built Indus Valley Civilization & employed tribals as laborers and possibly also incorporated some of them in their family. Together with tribals, they built IVC, hence we have more ASI shifted people in South Asia now.

balochs are not south asian to me . they are basically west asians who have no mediterranid and too much ASI :D lol

lameduck
11-04-2018, 03:15 PM
Wow literally no NE Euro. They gotta be the least ASI shifted group in whole South Asia (even people in Far North are getting 15-20% S Indian). But their SW Asian is quite high. I wonder if there was a separate movement of Arabs in Sindh. This individual might be of the type that built Indus Valley Civilization & employed tribals as laborers and possibly also incorporated some of them in their family. Together with tribals, they built IVC, hence we have more ASI shifted people in South Asia now.

there are individual baloch samples with under 10 south Indian on Harrapa but they have some NE EURO.

Leto
11-04-2018, 03:17 PM
balochs are not south asian to me . they are basically west asians who have no mediterranid and too much ASI :D lol
They are the darkest people in Iran.

lameduck
11-04-2018, 03:18 PM
balochs are not south asian to me . they are basically west asians who have no mediterranid and too much ASI :D lol

yeah baloch are not South Asian but they have strong connection to Indus Valley. I think they are best described as South Central Asians along with Pashtuns/Gilgit Baltistanis

Leto
11-04-2018, 03:19 PM
there are individual baloch samples with under 10 south Indian on Harrapa but they have some NE EURO.
Many Bronze Age IE samples look almost like half Baloch half Lithuanian. I'd love to see such a mix, there must be someone like that out there.

Hadouken
11-04-2018, 03:20 PM
yeah baloch are not South Asian but they have strong connection to Indus Valley. I think they are best described as South Central Asians along with Pashtuns/Gilgit Baltistanis

agree 100%

but south asia is also pretty diverse as you bros tell me always . I mean I consider people like Kimbo barely south asian even if he is south asian and would cluster with kalash

to me THE south asians are indians , sri lankans , bangladeshis and such . like I basically mean them when I say south asian and not a pseudo european looking guy from gilgit lol

lameduck
11-04-2018, 03:21 PM
They are the darkest people in Iran.

many Baloch are very poor and suntanned and can have SSA mixture as well but Balochs in North Baluchistan region of Pakistan can produce lots of lighter types and resemble Pashtuns.It is said that many Northern Balochs are basically Balochified Pashtuns.

lameduck
11-04-2018, 03:24 PM
agree 100%

but south asia is also pretty diverse as you bros tell me always . I mean I consider people like Kimbo barely south asian even if he is south asian and would cluster with kalash

to me THE south asians are indians , sri lankans , bangladeshis and such . like I basically mean them when I say south asian and not a pseudo european looking guy from gilgit lol

well histroical boundary of South Asia is Indus river that runs in middle of Pakistan , but in border regions there is lot of admix therefore you can find Punjabi/Sindhis that can pass further West and Balochs that can pass further east.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Earthquake_Information_for_Pakistan.png

Hadouken
11-04-2018, 03:26 PM
well histroical boundary of South Asia is Indus river that runs in middle of Pakistan , but in border regions there is lot of admix therefore you can find Punjabi/Sindhis that can pass further West and Balochs that can pass further east.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Earthquake_Information_for_Pakistan.png

most indians look distinct from balochs . indians are basically genetically 50% baloch with the rest being negrito/asi and some east eurasian

except people like Lionman who is very atypical jatt and has foreign roots

NPKTO
11-04-2018, 09:24 PM
balochs are not south asian to me . they are basically west asians who have no mediterranid and too much ASI :D lol

Yap, they’re basically Iranian. They just happen to have less Caucasian input and more Baloch input compared to other Iranian groups. In some ways, they’re quite like Iranian Neolithic people.

Hadouken
11-04-2018, 09:26 PM
Yap, they’re basically Iranian. They just happen to have less Caucasian input and more Baloch input compared to other Iranian groups. In some ways, they’re quite like Iranian Neolithic people.

thats not quite correct . iranians are different . iranians have very little asi while balochs have 12% or so . and iranians have high mediterranean and "real" kavkaz ancestry

Mingle
11-04-2018, 09:44 PM
but south asia is also pretty diverse as you bros tell me always . I mean I consider people like Kimbo barely south asian even if he is south asian and would cluster with kalash

I doubt he'd cluster with the Kalash. His ancestry is mainly from AJK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azad_Kashmir) and those people tend to cluster with Kashmiris and upper caste Punjabis (e.g. Jatts, Rajputs). Some Shina (Gilgiti) ancestry would probably pull him towards Sindhis as they're less South Asian-shifted than people from AJK. But yes, he's peripheral South Asian. Its normal for peripheral people to not look typical for a people that come from a large and diverse region.

By the way, Baloch people do have real Caucasian ancestry, just less so than Persians. The guy in the OP is 18% Caucasian.

Mingle
11-04-2018, 09:53 PM
many Baloch are very poor and suntanned and can have SSA mixture as well but Balochs in North Baluchistan region of Pakistan can produce lots of lighter types and resemble Pashtuns.It is said that many Northern Balochs are basically Balochified Pashtuns.

Its not really a north-south division in the case of Baloch people, but more of a coastal-inland division. The coastal region (Makran) can have SSA admix like you said. Most Baloches from the north don't have Pashtun ancestry (though some do), but most can pass as Pashtun anyways.

Khamzat
11-04-2018, 09:58 PM
I doubt he'd cluster with the Kalash. His ancestry is mainly from AJK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azad_Kashmir) and those people tend to cluster with Kashmiris and upper caste Punjabis (e.g. Jatts, Rajputs). Some Shina (Gilgiti) ancestry would probably pull him towards Sindhis as they're less South Asian-shifted than people from AJK. But yes, he's peripheral South Asian. Its normal for peripheral people to not look typical for a people that come from a large and diverse region.

By the way, Baloch people do have real Caucasian ancestry, just less so than Persians. The guy in the OP is 18% Caucasian.
Do you have any kits from AJK? I haven’t seen any.

tipirneni
11-04-2018, 09:58 PM
I doubt he'd cluster with the Kalash. His ancestry is mainly from AJK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azad_Kashmir) and those people tend to cluster with Kashmiris and upper caste Punjabis (e.g. Jatts, Rajputs). Some Shina (Gilgiti) ancestry would probably pull him towards Sindhis as they're less South Asian-shifted than people from AJK. But yes, he's peripheral South Asian. Its normal for peripheral people to not look typical for a people that come from a large and diverse region.

By the way, Baloch people do have real Caucasian ancestry, just less so than Persians. The guy in the OP is 18% Caucasian.

With Balooch/Chitrali/Uzbek combination person, I have following match mostly matching in Indian part,

>100SNP 1cM

Largest segment = 4.7 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 796.2 cM (22.201 Pct)

536 shared segments found for this comparison.

625345 SNPs used for this comparison.

Mingle
11-04-2018, 10:10 PM
Do you have any kits from AJK? I haven’t seen any.

Not that I can recall. But I've seen results from North Punjab and the Kashmir Valley and its extremely unlikely for AJK to be a genetic outlier since its sandwiched between those regions and linguistically/ancestrally closest to those regions.

Though I'm sure the chances of someone on Anthrogenica having access to such a kit would be high.

What percent of your ancestry would you say is from Gilgit?

tipirneni
11-04-2018, 10:14 PM
Not that I can recall. But I've seen results from North Punjab and the Kashmir Valley and its extremely unlikely for AJK to be a genetic outlier since its sandwiched between those regions and linguistically/ancestrally closest to those regions.

Though I'm sure the chances of someone on Anthrogenica having access to such a kit would be high.

What percent of your ancestry would you say is from Gilgit?

Khana from Anthrogenica has bunch of Sariki kits Ged & Genesis.

https://anthrogenica.com/member.php?3272-khanabadoshi

Mingle
11-04-2018, 10:21 PM
Khana from Anthrogenica has bunch of Sariki kits Ged & Genesis.

https://anthrogenica.com/member.php?3272-khanabadoshi

We were talking about AJK people not Seraikis.

But anyways, this spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XGY-UIBC2GcUWGl1FizNvu9ofle4ZPHvfNmbrVYxGMo/edit#gid=6) has a couple. The ones colored brown are "Pahari" (AJK is the only part of Pakistan where Pahari is spoken). Here is one from Kalyal, Mirpur, AJK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalyal_Bhainsi).

S Indian 31.51%
Baloch 42.02%
Caucasian 13.07%
NE Euro 8.92%
SE Asian 0.91%
Siberian 0.00%
NE Asian 0.00%
Papuan 0.34%
American 0.00%
Beringian 1.66%
Mediterranean 0.00%
SE Asian 1.57%

His results look typical for a North Punjabi or Kashmiri.

Thambi
11-04-2018, 11:34 PM
We were talking about AJK people not Seraikis.

But anyways, this spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XGY-UIBC2GcUWGl1FizNvu9ofle4ZPHvfNmbrVYxGMo/edit#gid=6) has a couple. The ones colored brown are "Pahari" (AJK is the only part of Pakistan where Pahari is spoken). Here is one from Kalyal, Mirpur, AJK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalyal_Bhainsi).

S Indian 31.51%
Baloch 42.02%
Caucasian 13.07%
NE Euro 8.92%
SE Asian 0.91%
Siberian 0.00%
NE Asian 0.00%
Papuan 0.34%
American 0.00%
Beringian 1.66%
Mediterranean 0.00%
SE Asian 1.57%

His results look typical for a North Punjabi or Kashmiri.

They have quite a bit of baloch and less caucasian than I expected. I know its only two pahari samples on there but its interesting. They are probably very similar to arains and gujjars then since they tend to have similar pattern with high baloch and lower caucasian and euro.

Mingle
11-05-2018, 03:20 PM
They have quite a bit of baloch and less caucasian than I expected. I know its only two pahari samples on there but its interesting. They are probably very similar to arains and gujjars then since they tend to have similar pattern with high baloch and lower caucasian and euro.

Scroll through the spreadsheet, there are around six Pahari samples (brownish color).

Thambi
11-05-2018, 03:34 PM
Scroll through the spreadsheet, there are around six Pahari samples (brownish color).

ok cool. thanks. and yea all of em have baloch above 40% which is slightly surprising but makes sense now i think of it that they are related to baloch shifted groups.

NPKTO
11-05-2018, 08:44 PM
We were talking about AJK people not Seraikis.

But anyways, this spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XGY-UIBC2GcUWGl1FizNvu9ofle4ZPHvfNmbrVYxGMo/edit#gid=6) has a couple. The ones colored brown are "Pahari" (AJK is the only part of Pakistan where Pahari is spoken). Here is one from Kalyal, Mirpur, AJK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalyal_Bhainsi).

S Indian 31.51%
Baloch 42.02%
Caucasian 13.07%
NE Euro 8.92%
SE Asian 0.91%
Siberian 0.00%
NE Asian 0.00%
Papuan 0.34%
American 0.00%
Beringian 1.66%
Mediterranean 0.00%
SE Asian 1.57%

His results look typical for a North Punjabi or Kashmiri.

This sample here is from Swat Valley (Saidu Sharif). Looks like these people migrated further East to become modern day Pakistani Paharis? I think Swat Valley is mostly inhabited by Pashtuns now, who are going to score more like you.

Kit #: AV4469888
# Population Percent
1 Baloch 38.24
2 S-Indian 31.89
3 Caucasian 14.17
4 NE-Euro 9.06
5 Siberian 2.28
6 American 1.13
7 SW-Asian 1.10

Mingle
11-05-2018, 09:23 PM
This sample here is from Swat Valley (Saidu Sharif). Looks like these people migrated further East to become modern day Pakistani Paharis? I think Swat Valley is mostly inhabited by Pashtuns now, who are going to score more like you.

Kit #: AV4469888
# Population Percent
1 Baloch 38.24
2 S-Indian 31.89
3 Caucasian 14.17
4 NE-Euro 9.06
5 Siberian 2.28
6 American 1.13
7 SW-Asian 1.10

Interesting results. Where did you find them? No, they didn't migrate east to become Paharis (actually most of AJK isn't even Pahari but they were wrongly given that name in the spreadsheet). Swat used to be Dardic before Pashtuns colonized it so he could be descended from one of those people that didn't mix with Pashtuns. Either that or he's a non-Pashtun from Swat. Most of the low class people in Swat are non-Pashtuns and there's a Dardic-speaking minority still present there so he could be from one of those. Not sure exactly, but in any case my results are quite different than his. This is what I get:


# Population Percent
1 Baloch 36.46
2 Caucasian 22.17
3 S-Indian 21.82
4 NE-Euro 12.84
5 SW-Asian 3.03
6 NE-Asian 1.42
7 Mediterranean 1.4
8 SE-Asian 0.38
9 American 0.32
10 Papuan 0.1
11 Siberian 0.06

The similarity to Paharis is probably from the Indo-Aryan (Dardic) past of the region.

NPKTO
11-05-2018, 09:42 PM
Interesting results. Where did you find them? No, they didn't migrate east to become Paharis (actually most of AJK isn't even Pahari but they were wrongly given that name in the spreadsheet). Swat used to be Dardic before Pashtuns colonized it so he could be descended from one of those people that didn't mix with Pashtuns. Either that or he's a non-Pashtun from Swat. Most of the low class people in Swat are non-Pashtuns and there's a Dardic-speaking minority still present there so he could be from one of those. Not sure exactly, but in any case my results are quite different than his. This is what I get:



The similarity to Paharis is probably from the Indo-Aryan (Dardic) past of the region.

Found it in anthrogenica. This sample is from Iron Age. There are other samples that are scoring Kalash like to South Indian in this area. But most of them are scoring like the individual I posted above. So my thought is that these Iron Age people migrated a bit towards East to become AJK & Kashmiris imo. I think the area it’s more stabilized in terms of admixture imo, so the area has folks that score like you or Kalash in majority, in present times.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?10906-KHANABADOSHI-Calculator-Results/page29

Mingle
11-05-2018, 09:46 PM
Found it in anthrogenica. This sample is from Iron Age. There are other samples that are scoring Kalash like to South Indian in this area. But most of them are scoring like the individual I posted above. So my thought is that these Iron Age people migrated a bit towards East to become AJK & Kashmiris imo. I think the area it’s more stabilized in terms of admixture imo, so the area has folks that score like you or Kalash in majority, in present times.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?10906-KHANABADOSHI-Calculator-Results/page29

If its Iron Age, then that would explain everything lol. Thought it was a modern sample, got me quite confused. Its possible that this is a result of an Iron Age migration. But I don't think that Iron Age Potoharis (AJK people) or Kashmiris would have been genetically much different.

Maguzanci
03-28-2019, 03:54 AM
there are individual baloch samples with under 10 south Indian on Harrapa but they have some NE EURO.

What the highest South Indian or ASI score you have seen for a Baloch/Brahui?

Didac
03-23-2022, 12:34 AM
here you go

Gedrosia 56.68
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.49
Atlantic_Med 2.80
North_European 2.05
South_Asian 13.97
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.05
East_Asian -
Caucasus 12.41
Sub_Saharan 0.55

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Makrani (HGDP) 8.4
2 Balochi (HGDP) 9.65
3 Brahui (HGDP) 16.09
4 Pathan (HGDP) 19.63
5 Sindhi (HGDP) 20.41
6 Burusho (HGDP) 23.46
7 Jatt (Dodecad) 24.62
8 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 29.99
9 Iranians (Behar) 33.62
10 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 33.98
11 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 36.11
12 Iranian (Dodecad) 37.23
13 Cochin_Jews (Behar) 37.65
14 Kurd (Dodecad) 38.12
15 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) 38.34
16 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) 39.25
17 Indian (Dodecad) 39.58
18 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 39.65
19 Kshatriya (Metspalu) 39.89
20 Iyer (Dodecad) 40.73

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79% Balochi (HGDP) + 21% Iranians (Behar) @ 3.84
2 80.8% Balochi (HGDP) + 19.2% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 3.92
3 85.7% Balochi (HGDP) + 14.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 3.94
4 86% Balochi (HGDP) + 14% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 3.95
5 85.4% Balochi (HGDP) + 14.6% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.97
6 84.1% Balochi (HGDP) + 15.9% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.99
7 86.3% Balochi (HGDP) + 13.7% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 4.02
8 86.9% Balochi (HGDP) + 13.1% Armenians (Behar) @ 4.04
9 85.6% Balochi (HGDP) + 14.4% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 4.04
10 85.3% Balochi (HGDP) + 14.7% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 4.1
11 86.9% Balochi (HGDP) + 13.1% Druze (HGDP) @ 4.11
12 85.6% Balochi (HGDP) + 14.4% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 4.21
13 81.4% Balochi (HGDP) + 18.6% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 4.29
14 82% Balochi (HGDP) + 18% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 4.31
15 85.5% Balochi (HGDP) + 14.5% Turks (Behar) @ 4.31
16 88.1% Balochi (HGDP) + 11.9% Samaritians (Behar) @ 4.42
17 86% Balochi (HGDP) + 14% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 4.42
18 88.8% Balochi (HGDP) + 11.2% Georgians (Behar) @ 4.47
19 88.4% Balochi (HGDP) + 11.6% Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.5
20 86.2% Balochi (HGDP) + 13.8% Lebanese (Behar) @ 4.55

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Makrani_HGDP @ 8.767934
2 Balochi_HGDP @ 10.653757
3 Brahui_HGDP @ 17.809906
4 Pathan_HGDP @ 21.091715
5 Sindhi_HGDP @ 21.692213
6 Burusho_HGDP @ 24.842518
7 Jatt_Dodecad @ 26.396502
8 Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 32.176071
9 Meena_Metspalu @ 36.163258
10 Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 36.817635
11 Iranians_Behar @ 37.111034
12 Bnei_Menashe_Jews_Behar @ 38.932476
13 Cochin_Jews_Behar @ 40.085358
14 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu @ 40.910934
15 Iranian_Dodecad @ 41.148972
16 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu_Metspalu @ 41.629520
17 Indian_Dodecad @ 41.968063
18 Kurd_Dodecad @ 42.052803
19 Kshatriya_Metspalu @ 42.419266
20 Iyer_Dodecad @ 43.237411

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Makrani_HGDP +50% Makrani_HGDP @ 8.767934





Very interesting here’s another ethnic find baloch seraiki speaking from Sindh

PUNTDNAL 12 MODERN:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus_HG 47.96
2 South_Asian 26.33
3 Near_East 8.38
4 Anatolian_NF 6.32
5 European_HG 6.19
6 Sub-Saharan 1.88
7 Amerindian 1.49
8 Beringian 1.45

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Balochi 6.9
2 Makrani 8.13
3 Brahui 9
4 Afghan_Pashtun 9.42
5 Pakistan_Pashtun 10.21
6 Pathan 13.17
7 Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh 15.1
8 Sindhi 15.15
9 Burusho 16.81
10 Kashmir 17.38
11 Haryana_Jatt 18.46
12 Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim 18.61
13 Tajik_Pomiri 22.68
14 UP_Muslim 23.33
15 Iranian 23.93
16 Chechen 26.01
17 Kurdish 27.58
18 Lezgin 28.48
19 North_Ossetian 28.72
20 Kumyk 29.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.3% Makrani + 32.7% Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh @ 4.02
2 72.3% Makrani + 27.7% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim @ 4.19
3 92.4% Balochi + 7.6% Saharawi @ 4.2
4 89.4% Balochi + 10.6% Somali_Benadiri @ 4.22
5 88.5% Brahui + 11.5% Algerian @ 4.22
6 57.3% Makrani + 42.7% Pakistan_Pashtun @ 4.26
7 91.8% Balochi + 8.2% Algerian @ 4.29
8 90.2% Balochi + 9.8% Yemeni @ 4.35
9 92.2% Balochi + 7.8% Tunisian @ 4.35
10 89% Brahui + 11% Tunisian @ 4.39
11 92.6% Balochi + 7.4% Mozabite_Berber @ 4.43
12 92.2% Balochi + 7.8% Ethiopian @ 4.44
13 89.5% Brahui + 10.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 4.48
14 89.5% Brahui + 10.5% Saharawi @ 4.53
15 92.8% Balochi + 7.2% Oromo @ 4.54
16 72.6% Makrani + 27.4% Haryana_Jatt @ 4.55
17 93% Balochi + 7% Somali @ 4.55
18 77.3% Makrani + 22.7% UP_Muslim @ 4.6
19 93% Balochi + 7% Saudi @ 4.64
20 95.1% Balochi + 4.9% BedouinB @ 4.73


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Iranian + Makrani + Makrani + UP_Muslim @ 3.274822
2 Keralam + Makrani + Makrani + North_Ossetian @ 3.340947
3 Brahui + Iranian + Kashmir + Makrani @ 3.365134
4 Iranian + Kashmir + Makrani + Makrani @ 3.394302
5 Gujarati + Iranian + Makrani + Makrani @ 3.508072
6 Keralam + Kumyk + Makrani + Makrani @ 3.588557
7 Brahui + Iranian + Makrani + UP_Muslim @ 3.592405
8 Brahui + Iranian + Makrani + Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim @ 3.608577
9 Balochi + Iranian + Kashmir + Makrani @ 3.645211
10 Iranian + Makrani + Makrani + Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim @ 3.696800
11 Gujarati + Kumyk + Makrani + Makrani @ 3.779602
12 Keralam + Lezgin + Makrani + Makrani @ 3.786646
13 Brahui + Brahui + Iranian + Kashmir @ 3.799790
14 Gujarati + Makrani + Makrani + North_Ossetian @ 3.812011
15 Afghan_Pashtun + Makrani + Makrani + Sindhi @ 3.837380
16 Brahui + Brahui + Iranian + Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim @ 3.955546
17 Balochi + Brahui + Iranian + Kashmir @ 3.966075
18 Balochi + Iranian + Makrani + UP_Muslim @ 4.021157
19 Iranian + Makrani + Pathan + Sindhi @ 4.040013
20 Afghan_Pashtun + Kashmir + Makrani + Makrani @ 4.058341

Didac
03-23-2022, 05:45 AM
Many Bronze Age IE samples look almost like half Baloch half Lithuanian. I'd love to see such a mix, there must be someone like that out there.

I have something close to that. But instead of Lithuania it’s British