How were Byzantines genetically positioned?

[manu15151513]

Do not limit yourself to simply viewing the thread, please reply.

Do we have an idea today of how genetically they are positioned and how could they have actually contributed to shaping the gene pool of Italians?

[catgeorge]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ohocmvHfgs8/VKy0QdszPeI/AAAAAAAAArw/GVlOfokyI-w/s1600/Angel's%2BData%2Bfigure%2B6.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Do not limit yourself to simply viewing the thread, please reply.

Do we have an idea today of how genetically they are positioned and how could they have actually contributed to shaping the gene pool of Italians?


In my view, based on the genetics of Sicily and Calabria it's likely that many "Byzantine" settlers were Hellenized people from the Levant and Anatolia.

[Sikeliot]

Do not limit yourself to simply viewing the thread, please reply.

Do we have an idea today of how genetically they are positioned and how could they have actually contributed to shaping the gene pool of Italians?


In my view, based on the genetics of Sicily and Calabria it's likely that many "Byzantine" settlers were Hellenized people from the Levant and Anatolia.

[manu15151513]

In my view, based on the genetics of Sicily and Calabria it's likely that many "Byzantine" settlers were Hellenized people from the Levant and Anatolia.

What results do you think they would have obtained on eurogenes k13? Let's speculate a bit.

[StonyArabia]

They were Greco-Roman and Anatolian mixed. Byzantine was a multicultural empire that had incorporated Syrians, Arabs, Armenians, Albanians, Thracians, and others. Some of the rulers were of Greek, Armenian, and even Syrian origins. The culture was mostly Hellenic with Roman influence. Emperor Leo III was of Syrian origins who had stopped the fist Arab siege of Constantinople.

[Sikeliot]

What results do you think they would have obtained on eurogenes k13? Let's speculate a bit.

Depends on where they were from.

[catgeorge]

The majority were Classic Mediterranean and Alpine.

https://www.international-love.dating/uploads/__editor/blog/Greek-men.jpeg

https://www.international-love.dating/uploads/__editor/blog/Greek-men-1.jpeg

http://i1.wp.com/www.valleymagazinepsu.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Screen-Shot-2018-07-18-at-9.26.07-PM.png

https://worldcupgirls.net/girls-pics/greek-girl_world-cup-2014_02.jpg

[manu15151513]

They were Greco-Roman and Anatolian mixed. Byzantine was a multicultural empire that had incorporated Syrians, Arabs, Armenians, Albanians, Thracians, and others. Some of the rulers were of Greek, Armenian, and even Syrian origins. The culture was mostly Hellenic with Roman influence. Emperor Leo III was of Syrian origins who had stopped the fist Arab siege of Constantinople.

So presumably in Italy they should have largely contributed to introduce single nucleotide polymorphisms closely related to Neolithic farmers in the Levantine sense and to hunters and gatherers of Caucasian origin?


Also also some of the typically Eastern European single nucleotide polymorphisms?

[manu15151513]

Depends on where they were from.

Overall those that have influenced Sicily and the Italian Adriatic coasts as they believe that they would have positioned themselves? Considering their phenotypes I think I have made an idea conforming to the truth...

[Sikeliot]

Overall those that have influenced Sicily and the Italian Adriatic coasts as they believe that they would have positioned themselves? Considering their phenotypes I think I have made an idea conforming to the truth...

I mentioned I think Byzantine settlers in south Italy came from all over -- Greece, Levant, Anatolia.

This is why we find Levantine DNA in parts of Sicily which never experienced Phoenician settlement. Hellenized Levantines who predated the Arab conquest likely fled to Byzantine South Italy to escape Arabization.

[Böri]

It's quite incredible the Greek soldiery controlled South Italy and Sicily around 600 years after Rome city and most of mainland Italy fell to German tribes.
That must be the reason why South Italy was left behind the Germanic north (or actual Romans of central Italy and Venice region) and even today, the once-Greek southern Italy doing worse economically than central or northern parts of that country

After the Catholic-Orthodox schism of 1054, Vatican gave green light to best Catholic warriors present back then, Normans. Giscard and Bohemond took anything Greek in southern Italy by the end of 11th century.

[manu15151513]

I mentioned I think Byzantine settlers in south Italy came from all over -- Greece, Levant, Anatolia.

This is why we find Levantine DNA in parts of Sicily which never experienced Phoenician settlement. Hellenized Levantines who predated the Arab conquest likely fled to Byzantine South Italy to escape Arabization.

The typically Levantine single nucleotide polymorphisms present throughout the Italian south have certainly been fundamentally brought by Neolithic farmers. The Byzantines may have both strengthened and diminished their presence.

[Hellenas]

West Anatolian Greek Byzanines were Europeans genetically as the genetic results of their modern descendants show us.

According to the genetic site eupedia.com:

Northern Greeks(Thrace & Macedonia) : 93,7 % European
Central Greeks(Epirus & Thessaly) : 92,2 % European
Southern Greeks(Sterea Hellas & Peloponnese) : 93,9 % European
Eastern Greeks(Aegean islands & Ionia) : 91,7% European
Cretan Greeks(Crete) : 91,1 % European
All Greeks : 93,4 % European

www.stormfront.org/forum/t994640-13/?postcount=126#post11562743
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/printthread.php?t=26644&pp=25&page=1


Eastern Greeks (Aegean islands & Ionia) (158 samples)

I included Ionian GREEKS with the rest of Greeks

Their Y-DNA allmost perfectly resembles that of Aegean Greeks with whom I have classified them under Eastern Greeks (GREEKS not Greece). It also resembles average or mainstream Greek Y-DNA.

in fact Ionian Greeks and those from the Aegean islands might be the purest of Greeks since Ionians definetely didn't mix with Turks (no Central or East Asian haplogroups detected) and Albanian or Slavic influence in Ionia is zero...allthough some native Anatolian ancestry can't be ruled out.

Finally Ionian and other Anatolian Greeks are currently living in Greece and constitute a large section of the population...

As I explained Ionians seem very mainstream Greeks like those from the Aegean...

Their ancestors who lived under Ottoman Empire had a native Greek language, were Christian Orthodox and allways thought of themselves as Greeks (which is now proven by genetics).

www.eupedia.com/forum/printthread.php?t=26644&pp=25&page=1


And same goes with Anthropology.


According to Aris Poulianos to the Proso-Asiatic(Caucaso-Armenoid and Anatolian-Iranoid/Orientalid) belong the Greeks of Trabzon(Pontians) and Erzerum and at a small degree the Greeks of Marioupolis and of Western Asia Minor.

Page 140.

Mainly Proso-Asians(Caucaso-Armenoids) are Greeks of Trabzon(Pontians) and Easterns (Anatolian-Iranoid/Orientalid) the Turkophone Greeks of Erzerum and at a small proportion the Western groups of Asia Minor.

Pages 141-142.

issuu.com/stampalia/docs/katagogh_ellhnon/9?e=4941600/4584982


At a small scale Byzntines were also mixed with Latin-Franks.


The Gasmouloi (Greek: γασμοῦλοι, singular: γασμοῦλος) or Vasmouloi (Greek: βασμοῦλοι, singular: βασμοῦλος) were the descendants of mixed Byzantine Greek and "Latin" (West European, most often Italian) unions during the last centuries of the Byzantine Empire.

Following the Fourth Crusade, mixed unions between Greeks and Latins occurred to a very limited extent when the Latin Empire and the other Western principalities were established on Byzantine soil.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasmouloi


The Gasmouloi

The Gasmouloi were the product of mixed marriages between Byzantines and Latins. Pachymeres and Gregoras call them people of mixed race and excellent soldiers, whose military skills combined the prudence of the Byzantines with the boldness of the Latins.

https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2015/09/06/the-gasmouloi/

[Sikeliot]

The typically Levantine single nucleotide polymorphisms present throughout the Italian south have certainly been fundamentally brought by Neolithic farmers. The Byzantines may have both strengthened and diminished their presence.

But there is 20% post-Neolithic Middle Eastern and North African influence in southern Italy also.

[Tauromachos]

The question is nonesense since Byzantine is not an ethnic or genetic entity such as Slavs,Celts or Greeks

The main gene pool of the people of Byzantium was exactly a blend of the genetics of all the regions which belonged to Byzantium and formed
its core

So basicly a mix of Romans"Greeks and Italians",West Asians and some Balkanians
Thats it!

[manu15151513]

But there is 20% post-Neolithic Middle Eastern and North African influence in southern Italy also.


What do you mean? What would that percentage mean? The most recent influences seem to be much smaller than what is thought here.

[Livin]

West Anatolian Greek Byzanines were Europeans genetically as the genetic results of their modern descendants show us.

According to the genetic site eupedia.com:

Northern Greeks(Thrace & Macedonia) : 93,7 % European
Central Greeks(Epirus & Thessaly) : 92,2 % European
Southern Greeks(Sterea Hellas & Peloponnese) : 93,9 % European
Eastern Greeks(Aegean islands & Ionia) : 91,7% European
Cretan Greeks(Crete) : 91,1 % European
All Greeks : 93,4 % European

www.stormfront.org/forum/t994640-13/?postcount=126#post11562743
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/printthread.php?t=26644&pp=25&page=1


Eastern Greeks (Aegean islands & Ionia) (158 samples)

I included Ionian GREEKS with the rest of Greeks

Their Y-DNA allmost perfectly resembles that of Aegean Greeks with whom I have classified them under Eastern Greeks (GREEKS not Greece). It also resembles average or mainstream Greek Y-DNA.

in fact Ionian Greeks and those from the Aegean islands might be the purest of Greeks since Ionians definetely didn't mix with Turks (no Central or East Asian haplogroups detected) and Albanian or Slavic influence in Ionia is zero...allthough some native Anatolian ancestry can't be ruled out.

Finally Ionian and other Anatolian Greeks are currently living in Greece and constitute a large section of the population...

As I explained Ionians seem very mainstream Greeks like those from the Aegean...

Their ancestors who lived under Ottoman Empire had a native Greek language, were Christian Orthodox and allways thought of themselves as Greeks (which is now proven by genetics).

www.eupedia.com/forum/printthread.php?t=26644&pp=25&page=1


And same goes with Anthropology.


According to Aris Poulianos to the Proso-Asiatic(Caucaso-Armenoid and Anatolian-Iranoid/Orientalid) belong the Greeks of Trabzon(Pontians) and Erzerum and at a small degree the Greeks of Marioupolis and of Western Asia Minor.

Page 140.

Mainly Proso-Asians(Caucaso-Armenoids) are Greeks of Trabzon(Pontians) and Easterns (Anatolian-Iranoid/Orientalid) the Turkophone Greeks of Erzerum and at a small proportion the Western groups of Asia Minor.

Pages 141-142.

issuu.com/stampalia/docs/katagogh_ellhnon/9?e=4941600/4584982


At a small scale Byzntines were also mixed with Latin-Franks.


The Gasmouloi (Greek: γασμοῦλοι, singular: γασμοῦλος) or Vasmouloi (Greek: βασμοῦλοι, singular: βασμοῦλος) were the descendants of mixed Byzantine Greek and "Latin" (West European, most often Italian) unions during the last centuries of the Byzantine Empire.

Following the Fourth Crusade, mixed unions between Greeks and Latins occurred to a very limited extent when the Latin Empire and the other Western principalities were established on Byzantine soil.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasmouloi


The Gasmouloi

The Gasmouloi were the product of mixed marriages between Byzantines and Latins. Pachymeres and Gregoras call them people of mixed race and excellent soldiers, whose military skills combined the prudence of the Byzantines with the boldness of the Latins.

https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2015/09/06/the-gasmouloi/

I have seen kits from anatolian greeks and they were scoring central asia.So,what you saying is false.Its obvious that some of them mixed with real turks.Not to mention Karamanlides!!!

[Tauromachos]

I have seen kits from anatolian greeks and they were scoring central asia.So,what you saying is false.Its obvious that some of them mixed with real turks.Not to mention Karamanlides!!!

According to geneticists like Triandafilidis there is no Turkic admixture in Greeks or if so its realy realy low but there is
West Asian one

Anyway about Central Asia the issue is tricky because it may appear surprising but Central Asians at least the Ancient ones are genetically
have even more to do with so called Steppe people than native West Asians

"Mycenaeans traced an additional minor component of their ancestry to ancient inhabitants of Eastern Europe and northern Eurasia. This type of so-called Ancient North Eurasian ancestry is one of the three ancestral populations of present-day Europeans, and is also found in modern Greeks.

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-08-civilizations-greece-revealing-stories-science.html#jCp
"

[Livin]

According to geneticists like Triandafilidis there is no Turkic admixture in Greeks or if so its realy realy low but there is
West Asian one

Anyway about Central Asia the issue is tricky because it may appear surprising but Central Asians at least the Ancient ones are genetically
have even more to do with so called Steppe people than native West Asians

"Mycenaeans traced an additional minor component of their ancestry to ancient inhabitants of Eastern Europe and northern Eurasia. This type of so-called Ancient North Eurasian ancestry is one of the three ancestral populations of present-day Europeans, and is also found in modern Greeks.

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-08-civilizations-greece-revealing-stories-science.html#jCp
"

Who the fuck is triantafillidis rofl.

Central Anatolian Greeks coming with 1-2% siberian.They also tend to cluster even with Crimean Tatars xd.

[Tauromachos]

Who the fuck is triantafillidis rofl.

Central Anatolian Greeks coming with 1-2% siberian.They also tend to cluster even with Crimean Tatars xd.

There is a link between the Steppe Ancestry in Ancient Greece and people who came from the Gras lands from Central
Asia who brought part of this Ancestry to Ancient Greece

Its in one article though i didn't find the right article now and had to post a random one

But don't worry the article which mentioned this is not from Triandafilidis

[Leto]

Except for the European parts of Byzantium they probably were like Pontic Greeks, Cypriots and even Armenians.

[Tauromachos]

Except for the European parts of Byzantium they probably were like Pontic Greeks, Cypriots and even Armenians.

Lets say this

The genetic range of the Byzantine mainstream was something from North Italian,Albanian till
Cypriot and Pontic Greek

[StonyArabia]

They were not an ethnicity but a cultural realm

[manu15151513]

Ultimately, in my country they would have fundamentally, on an autosomal level, contributed to exoticise my countrymen but at the same time to europeanize them, having introduced mostly single-nucleotide polymorphisms typically Middle-Eastern and Balkan.

[Pubiczar]

Lets say this

The genetic range of the Byzantine mainstream was something from North Italian,Albanian till
Cypriot and Pontic Greek

I know you are biased but they were more Bulgarian like rather than Northern Italian like.

[Livin]

My ancestors ruled some parts of Byzantium.They were probably pure west asians!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabras

[Leto]

Ultimately, in my country they would have fundamentally, on an autosomal level, contributed to exoticise my countrymen but at the same time to europeanize them, having introduced mostly single-nucleotide polymorphisms typically Middle-Eastern and Balkan.
Lol. So thanks to the Byzantines the stereotypical Italiano looks like this? ;)
http://www.xperiaz2wallpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/People/The%20Godfather%20Micheal%20Corleone%20Sony%20Xper ia%20Z2%20Wallpapers.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Lol. So thanks to the Byzantines the stereotypical Italiano looks like this? ;)

He has Armenoid influences in his phenotype (see from the side), either from Phoenicians or from Byzantine settlers from West Asia.

[manu15151513]

Lol. So thanks to the Byzantines the stereotypical Italiano looks like this? ;)
http://www.xperiaz2wallpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/People/The%20Godfather%20Micheal%20Corleone%20Sony%20Xper ia%20Z2%20Wallpapers.jpg


I look a little like that.



The Italians are largely similar to that subject because they express in their phenotype single nucleotide polymorphisms inherited from Neolithic farmers, and only in a small part, most likely, due to allelic variants inherited from the Byzantines.

[Livin]

He has Armenoid influences in his phenotype (see from the side), either from Phoenicians or from Byzantine settlers from West Asia.

Indeed.Gracile med/Armenoid.

His nose can find easy among Pontic Greeks!

[Leto]

I look a little like that.



The Italians are largely similar to that subject because they express in their phenotype single nucleotide polymorphisms inherited from Neolithic farmers, and only in a small part, most likely, due to allelic variants inherited from the Byzantines.
Where in Italy are you from? A mix of different things?

[manu15151513]

Lol. So thanks to the Byzantines the stereotypical Italiano looks like this? ;)
http://www.xperiaz2wallpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/People/The%20Godfather%20Micheal%20Corleone%20Sony%20Xper ia%20Z2%20Wallpapers.jpg

Do not believe what some users say. The role played by recent autosomal genetic influences in shaping the gene pool of today's Italians is very overrated

[rein]

Lol. So thanks to the Byzantines the stereotypical Italiano looks like this? ;)
http://www.xperiaz2wallpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/People/The%20Godfather%20Micheal%20Corleone%20Sony%20Xper ia%20Z2%20Wallpapers.jpg

More like thanks to the hair gel overuse.

[Leto]

He has Armenoid influences in his phenotype (see from the side), either from Phoenicians or from Byzantine settlers from West Asia.
Luigi di Maio is more exotic. I guess everyone can google in case someone doesn't know who that is.

[manu15151513]

Where in Italy are you from? A mix of different things?


I am a central Italian, my mother comes from the province of Ancona and Pesaro and Urbino, in the Marche region, while my father comes from the province of Rome, but i am genetically close to the Abruzzo, and apparently also to the Pugliese.

I do not know my father, I do not know if he is really autochthonous.

[rein]

Luigi di Maio is more exotic. I guess everyone can google in case someone doesn't know who that is.

Is he South Italian?

[Tauromachos]

I know you are biased but they were more Bulgarian like rather than Northern Italian like.

I said the range from Nortern Italian till Cypriots and Pontic Greeks

Bulgarians/Thracians are within that range

Read my first words correctly before you reply to quick

[manu15151513]

I'm this:

81519


I basically have a Mediterranean phenotype.



I have this phenotype because my appearance expresses essentially allelic variants inherited from Neolithic farmers, and not for some kind of recent influence.



Certain people in here overestimate the role that recent influences have had.

[Sikeliot]

Indeed.Gracile med/Armenoid.

His nose can find easy among Pontic Greeks!

Yes. Nose/mouth look Semitic. Many Sicilians and Jews have the upturned smile like this.

https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTE5NTU2MzE2MzM3MTEyNTg3/al-pacino-9431474-1-402.jpg

[manu15151513]

Is he South Italian?

Yes, Campania...

[Livin]

Yes. Nose/mouth look Semitic. Many Sicilians and Jews have the upturned smile like this.

https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTE5NTU2MzE2MzM3MTEyNTg3/al-pacino-9431474-1-402.jpg

His eyes also.Kinda armenoid/syrid.

But his general skull and face is med without doupt.

[Hellenas]

I have seen kits from anatolian greeks and they were scoring central asia.So,what you saying is false.Its obvious that some of them mixed with real turks.Not to mention Karamanlides!!!

You are a troll, everybody knows that!

The evidences are all there, claim anything trollish you want, not my business!

[Livin]

You are a troll, everybody knows that!

The evidences are all there, claim anything trollish you want, not my business!

The kits are in here.And another 2 are in anthrogenica.

[Hellenas]

The kits are in here.And another 2 are in anthrogenica.

If you have any genetic results showing WEST ANATOLIAN GREEKS as Central Asian bearers post them, prove what you band and don't speak to me again!

[Hellenas]

Lol. So thanks to the Byzantines the stereotypical Italiano looks like this? ;)
http://www.xperiaz2wallpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/People/The%20Godfather%20Micheal%20Corleone%20Sony%20Xper ia%20Z2%20Wallpapers.jpg

Dream on!!!



The Italian actor you posted.

https://www.superiorpics.com/pictures/thumb270/Imperioli_M25660.jpg

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Michael+Imperioli+Detroit+1+8+7+Detroit+Special+Me dBFB0a0zcl.jpg

Armenoids can be found in Sicily.

Al Pacino.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Al_Pacino_Cannes_1996.jpg

http://topyaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/al-pacino.jpg

https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/al-pacino.jpg?w=1000&h=750&crop=1

"Because of the lack of clear distinction in craniological studies between Armenoid and Alpine crania, considerable uncertainty prevails as to the prehistoric distribution of the Armenoid race in Europe. Apparently no great extension into Europe of this physical type in its purity occurred in prehistoric times, so far as can be judged from archeological remains. It seems clear, nevertheless, that the oriental phase of the first Early Iron Age, generally called the Hallstatt period in central Europe and dating from about 700 to 500 B.C., witnessed a considerable diffusion of Armenoids from Asia Minor into the Balkan Peninsula, Greece, Italy, and probably other areas adjacent to Asia Minor. The Etruscans almost certainly came from Asia Minor and settled in Italy about the eighth century B.C. And there is reason for believing that they were in some degree Armenoid."

-Hooton

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/single/?p=1017353&t=5088582

The southern Italians, as this survey will indicate, are a distinctive group of people who will not fall into any one recognized racial category. Besides conventional Mediterraneans and Alpines there are two special types which are particularly common, and will be familiar to anyone living in Italian sections of the United States, as well as to anyone who has visited southern Italy. These are: (1) a coarse Mediterranean, short-statured, thick-limbed, mesocephalic, possessing a narrow forehead, wide malars, heavy browridges, a short, broad, straight or lightly concave nose with upturned tip, a strong jaw, and some prognathism; (2) a local approximation to an Armenoid, short-statured, especially thick-set and short-necked, with a flattened occiput, dome-shaped lateral vault profile, heavy browridges, a high-rooted, high-bridged, thick-tipped and depressed-tipped nose, and an especially prominent jaw.

The coarse Mediterranean mesocephal has counterparts in Spain and Portugal, as well as North Africa, and goes back at least to the time of the shell-heap burials of Muge. It seems, however, especially prevalent among South Italians. The local Armenoid may be partly descended from Near Easterners brought to cental and southern Italy in imperial times, but it is more likely that it is to a greater extent a local combination of Alpine with various Mediterranean elements, through the mechanism of differential inheritance.

-Carleton Coon

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XII7.htm

[Livin]

If you have any genetic results showing WEST ANATOLIAN GREEKS as Central Asian bearers post them, prove what you band and don't speak to me again!

I dont have to post anything to a clown like you.If you had studied genetics,you would knew that central anatolian greeks(and not only) coming with 1-2% siberian admixture.Witch is obvious they come closer with turkomans.

But you are not the person who knows a lot about genetics.Keep focusing in matters like meditteranism and how western european and british greeks look like!

[Hellenas]

I dont have to post anything to a clown like you.If you had studied genetics,you would knew that central anatolian greeks(and not only) coming with 1-2% siberian admixture.Witch is obvious they come closer with turkomans.

But you are not the person who knows a lot about genetics.Keep focusing in matters like meditteranism and how western european and british greeks look like!

You are the clown here, I speak about WEST ANATOLIAN GREEKS WHO have no Central Asian admixture at all!

Very soon the Greek Geneticist K. Triantafyllidis will prove to a new book that Cappadocian Greeks are closer to the other Greeks than to anyone else and that non-European admixture in them is not significant. I have speak to him.

As for you I don't care for your shit, there are not any complete genetic studies on Cappadocian Greeks yet.

[Livin]

You are the clown here, I speak about WEST ANATOLIAN GREEKS WHO have no Central Asian admixture at all!

Very soon the Greek Geneticist K. Triantafyllidis will prove to a new book that Cappadocian Greeks are closer to the other Greeks than to anyone else and that non-European admixture in them is not significant. I have speak to him.

As for you I don't care for your shit, there are not any complete genetic studies on Cappadocian Greeks yet.

Triadafillidis is a wannabe genetistic blogger.Cappadocian Greeks are closer to Pontians and they are mostly west asians!

[FinalFlash]

They had all types that are present from Balkans, Mediterranean to Asia Minor and Caucasus.

[Hellenas]

Triadafillidis is a wannabe genetistic blogger.Cappadocian Greeks are closer to Pontians and they are mostly west asians!

K. Triantafyllidis is a famous Greek Geneticist...

http://www.pontos-news.gr/article/18527/dna-ton-ellinon-ston-kosmo-apokalyptei-o-konstantinos-triantafyllidis

http://www.pontos-news.gr/article/145526/o-genetistis-k-triantafyllidis-sto-pontos-newsgr-elahistes-oi-prosmixeis-sto-dna-ton

https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9A%CF%89%CE%BD%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%BD%CF%84%C E%AF%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82_%CE%A4%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE %BD%CF%84%CE%B1%CF%86%CF%85%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B 4%CE%B7%CF%82

...and you are a West Asian Pontian(that you don't represent in any case all of Pontians) who want to make every Anatolian Greek a West Asian because he himself is one.

Usually mixed Greeks are buttheart with other Greeks!

[Livin]

K. Triantafyllidis is a famous Greek Geneticist...

http://www.pontos-news.gr/article/18527/dna-ton-ellinon-ston-kosmo-apokalyptei-o-konstantinos-triantafyllidis

http://www.pontos-news.gr/article/145526/o-genetistis-k-triantafyllidis-sto-pontos-newsgr-elahistes-oi-prosmixeis-sto-dna-ton

https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9A%CF%89%CE%BD%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%BD%CF%84%C E%AF%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82_%CE%A4%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE %BD%CF%84%CE%B1%CF%86%CF%85%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B 4%CE%B7%CF%82

...and you are a West Asian Pontian(that you don't represent in any case all of Pontians) who want to make every Anatolian Greek a West Asian because he himself is one.

Usually mixed Greeks are buttheart with other Greeks!

Idiot,learn to read.I said anatolian greeks from west coast are closer to aegean islanders and they are not affected from turks or other groups.

Buttheart greeks are those vlacho-arvanito-slavs in mainland.....!I never categorize my self with mainlanders rofl.

[Tauromachos]

Idiot,learn to read.I said anatolian greeks from west coast are closer to aegean islanders and they are not affected from turks or other groups.


Yeah but i had the same problem as him i found your posts confusing

Its true you said first West Anatolian Greeks are basicly like Aegeans but in the second post you simply said Anatolian Greeks have Turkish or
Central Asian admixture without explaining what you realy meant and it sounded as if you mean West Anatolian Greeks

[Livin]

Yeah but i had the same problem with him i found your posts confusing

Its true you said first West Anatolian Greeks are basicly like Aegeans but in the second post you simply said Anatolian Greeks have Turkish or
Central Asian admixture without explaining what you realy meant and it sounded as if you mean West Anatolian Greeks

Central anatolian greeks.

[Tauromachos]

Central anatolian greeks.

You mean Cappadocians or in particular Karamanlides who also have a mixed Turkish Greek dialect.?

Its possible that they mixed with Turks but i haven't seen proofs for that or any studies on that yet

[Hellenas]

Idiot,learn to read.I said anatolian greeks from west coast are closer to aegean islanders and they are not affected from turks or other groups.

Buttheart greeks are those vlacho-arvanito-slavs in mainland.....!I never categorize my self with mainlanders rofl.


The answer was given by cybernautic:


Yeah but i had the same problem as him i found your posts confusing

Its true you said first West Anatolian Greeks are basicly like Aegeans but in the second post you simply said Anatolian Greeks have Turkish or
Central Asian admixture without explaining what you realy meant and it sounded as if you mean West Anatolian Greeks