K15 PCA with national clusters

[Jana]

All credit goes to fantastic Croatian user from Anthrogenica Ph2ter, who make these things.
https://i.imgur.com/YSEJdYn.png

[Vasconcelos]

The original link to the dropbox image provides better resolution. Personally not a fan of these national clusters ellipses, but whatever

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tyn3orovma7jb8y/k15ByCountries.png?dl=0

[Jana]

Higher resolution (you can zoom in) : https://www.dropbox.com/s/tyn3orovma7jb8y/k15ByCountries.png?dl=0

I see myself and my parents :D SandorMatyas=Stears, he is plotting togheder with us :thumb001:

[Tschaikisten]

Here I am (BMK)

https://i.imgur.com/TZufDx8.png

[Gründig]

Sent him my K15 information. I'm hoping he plots me.

[Kelmendasi]

Interesting. Seems like Greeks from Thessaly and Macedonia(Greek Macedonia, Florina for example) have more overlap with Albanians and Macedonians when compared to other Greeks, some Greeks from Euboea and the Peloponnese also had this overlap. Southern Macedonia(FYROM) overlaps with Albania as well. Interesting to see that some Aromanians were clustering with southern Macedonians

[xripkan]

How can we find our coordinates?

[Vasconcelos]

How can we find our coordinates?

GEDmatch Eurogenes K15 calculator

[Jana]

Interesting how author of this PCA plots outside of Croatian variation, on some plots he appears as typical Czech. His father is more southern than him, but still among northernmost people in Slovenian part of cluster.
I wonder are rest on North-West Croats like that, probably yes in my opinion.

[xripkan]

GEDmatch Eurogenes K15 calculator

Yes I got that but which is the tool you use?

[Kelmendasi]

Yes I got that but which is the tool you use?
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

[Vasconcelos]

Yes I got that but which is the tool you use?

It's not DIY, you need to message him your coordinates and he'll get you on the plot

[Vasconcelos]

Btw, here's the same plot but exclusively for SW Europe. I'm Ruderico


https://www.dropbox.com/s/frz5bzee03bnt62/K15_Southwest.png?dl=0

[xripkan]

Could anyone send mine? Anthrogenica does not allow me to send him message.
xripkan 7.72;17.62;10.69;6.44;14.48;14.37;24.43;2.73;0.68; 0;0;0;0.84;0;0;

[Vasconcelos]

You can post on the thread, no? (Ph2ter is going to kill me if he gets so many requests)

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14675-Eurogenes-EUtest-V2-K15-samples-for-megaplot

[Thracian]

I am closer to Gagauzs and Bulgarians on this PCA.

[xripkan]

You can post on the thread, no? (Ph2ter is going to kill me if he gets so many requests)

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14675-Eurogenes-EUtest-V2-K15-samples-for-megaplot

Unfortunately it doesn't allow me to post. I don't know why. If it's possible send him mine as well. Thank you

[Vasconcelos]

Unfortunately it doesn't allow me to post. I don't know why. If it's possible send him mine as well. Thank you

Alright, I just posted there for you.

[xripkan]

Alright, I just posted there for you.

Thanks a lot!

[Gründig]

Pretty cool. I plot solely in the "West German" cluster, torwards what seems to be the southern Germany part of it. I'm sort of in the middle of southern, western and swiss German samples.

Due to other test results of mine, I figured I would plot in western Germany but closer to/in the Dutch and Belgian clusters as well.

Either way, southern/western Germany seems to be a common occurrence for me.

[kleenex]

How can we find our coordinates?

If you can see where I'm situated TonyC probably pretty close. I'm on the Western edge of Northern Greek cluster near Southern Albanians.

[Damião de Góis]

The original link to the dropbox image provides better resolution. Personally not a fan of these national clusters ellipses, but whatever

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tyn3orovma7jb8y/k15ByCountries.png?dl=0

Are those people ending nunes and joaquim, portuguese?

[Vasconcelos]

Thanks a lot!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/almvc26nw6t9a41/K15xripkan.png?dl=0

[xripkan]

If you can see where I'm situated TonyC probably pretty close. I'm on the Western edge of Northern Greek cluster near Southern Albanians.

Yes we are situated close but I expected a little closer.

[kleenex]

Yes we are situated close but I expected a little closer.

Yes it's sort of a weird cluster to tell you the truth. You have Thessalians North of Albanians (how is that possible?) and other samples (from the same region) all over the Greek cluster from North to South so not sure how serious to take this PCA. Although I have to give the creator credit for the work.

[Vasconcelos]

Yes it's sort of a weird cluster to tell you the truth. You have Thessalians North of Albanians (how is that possible?) and other samples (from the same region) all over the Greek cluster from North to South so not sure how serious to take this PCA. Although I have to give the creator credit for the work.

People aren't made in a factory line where everything is clearly defined, personal variation is a thing. Besides there can be pockets of regions that can be rather unique but haven't been sampled yet

[Vasconcelos]

Are those people ending nunes and joaquim, portuguese?

Of course. The Nunes are from the NW (Barcelos and Feira), the others are from região Oeste or thereabouts

[kleenex]

People aren't made in a factory line where everything is clearly defined, personal variation is a thing. Besides there can be pockets of regions that can be rather unique but haven't been sampled yet

I don't disagree but wondering why there is such a distance with some individuals who essentially have proximal ancestral components. Having said that it's fairly accurate for me; Peloponnese/NW Greece/Southern Albania a definite continuum.

[xripkan]

Yes it's sort of a weird cluster to tell you the truth. You have Thessalians North of Albanians (how is that possible?) and other samples (from the same region) all over the Greek cluster from North to South so not sure how serious to take this PCA. Although I have to give the creator credit for the work.

It could make sense if we suppose that some Greeks have high albanian admixture and some Albanians high Greek which is not impossible.

[Damião de Góis]

Of course. The Nunes are from the NW (Barcelos and Feira), the others are from região Oeste or thereabouts

Ok i was wondering. In that case the Portugal elipse should be bigger.

[Gründig]

Alfred89 at the top of the west Germany cluster:

http://i.imgur.com/x7lw3NI.jpg

[Rædwald]

How can I be plotted here?

[Mark]

How can I be plotted here?

Yes, I want in on the action as well, if possible.

[Levant15]

How can I be plotted here?Post your results here

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14675-Eurogenes-EUtest-V2-K15-samples-for-megaplot

Sent from my FRD-L04 using Tapatalk

[Rædwald]

Post your results here

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14675-Eurogenes-EUtest-V2-K15-samples-for-megaplot

Sent from my FRD-L04 using Tapatalk

Done :)

[Impaler]

I am closer to Gagauz people on this map. :)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/niv7uliqm4a23xw/K15ImpalerEtc.png?dl=0

[Jana]

I would like to know place of origin of that atypical Bosnian muslim who plots nearly identical as me.

[Jana]

I am closer to Gagauz people on this map. :)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/niv7uliqm4a23xw/K15ImpalerEtc.png?dl=0

Gagauz genetically mainly native Thracian with Slav and Turkic admixture :)

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

https://uce03ccc3c6e6f7c3bdca3eda1f3.previews.dropboxuserc ontent.com/p/thumb/AAOTuAqda841pO8-4aFLY9uEBZfOCJv6THWpBAyMC03VGvs4A7OB2R-9Hnm6qfELIeJShDQeFdj1fioVzpllrfQuoXYBcwwAg6K865pap GYuwpvlcu8Br3YupMw3zUiggWn7vTf3VlWfMuTKDNCEEt2eY5z 0bdrQn8NxZq87dTngN9f_QcwhQXNxjZ3X-PUx-FEfarQJfz2BDp0j5gz_-6DqcFKcpswfjveOl67m6dwc2w/p.png?size=1600x1200&size_mode=3

Seems coherent with the previous K15 PCA I had done. I am a more Eastern shifted Portuguese whereas my girlfriend is more Western shifted.

[Grace O'Malley]

All credit goes to fantastic Croatian user from Anthrogenica Ph2ter, who make these things.
https://i.imgur.com/YSEJdYn.png

He's wonderful. There are some great people over there who are so talented and knowledgeable. Ph2ter is so generous doing all these plots and they cover a huge area and volume of samples as well.

[Carpatz]

Cool


https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/315711208462221313/509330014768988171/K15Carpatz.png

[Impaler]

[QUOTE=Carpatz;5570123]Cool

Very accurate for you, bro!

[Carpatz]

Anyone else notice how diverse the Hungarians from Romania are? Some are closer to Romania, some to Hungary, and there's even one fully in the Austrian cluster.

[Jana]

Anyone else notice how diverse the Hungarians from Romania are? Some are closer to Romania, some to Hungary, and there's even one fully in the Austrian Cluster.

I guess that makes sense since around half of Romanian Hungarians are Szekely, while other half are Magyars from Parthium and western Transylvania. Probably they don't have identical genetics :)

[Carpatz]

I guess that makes sense since around half of Romanian Hungarians are Szekely, while other half are Magyars from Parthium and western Transylvania. Probably they don't have identical genetics :)

The one plotting with Austrians must have some Saxon ancestry

[Carpatz]

IncelSlayer plots right next to Jana

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/315711208462221313/509354850765635584/K15Incel.png

[Jana]

IncelSlayer plots right next to Jana

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/315711208462221313/509354850765635584/K15Incel.png

HAHAHAHAHA

<3

[Jana]

IncelSlayer will be treated as honorary Croat of orthodox faith from now on.

[Impaler]

HAHAHAHAHA

<3

How come?? Is he a real Croatian? Maybe a Krašovan?

[Jana]

How come?? Is he a real Croatian? Maybe a Krašovan?

It's a mystery ;)
Krašovani should be of Southern Serb origins because they speak Torlak dialect, but they became Catholic thus declare as Croats today.

But there were always actual Croats in Romania in small numbers. Part of my family from Dalmatia moved to Romania for career opportunity in late 19th century, their descendants went to US after Iron Curtain fell.

[Freeroostah]

How can I get into the map? :D

[Jana]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZruLp_2VA0

[Carpatz]

HAHAHAHAHA

<3

Deymark is jealous as hell now

[Jana]

Deymark is jealous as hell now

I much prefer Deymark to his wild, less civilised younger brother. He needs to get him in line ! :D

[Pubiczar]

Interesting. Seems like Greeks from Thessaly and Macedonia(Greek Macedonia, Florina for example) have more overlap with Albanians and Macedonians when compared to other Greeks, some Greeks from Euboea and the Peloponnese also had this overlap. Southern Macedonia(FYROM) overlaps with Albania as well. Interesting to see that some Aromanians were clustering with southern Macedonians

Yeah, Greek Macedonia is rather Thraco-Illyrian it seems :laugh:

[Grace O'Malley]

Alfred89 at the top of the west Germany cluster:

http://i.imgur.com/x7lw3NI.jpg

We're in the same cluster but I'm at the opposite end with all the overlapping smaller clusters.

[Coolguy1]

Yeah, Greek Macedonia is rather Thraco-Illyrian it seems :laugh:

No dummy, its just natural variation within the country. By the same logic, you could be considered a Greco-Bulgar.

[Coastal Elite]

Great PCA and special thanks to Jana for telling us about it. It plots me right next to the dot for "Austria_Tyrol" where Austria begins to overlap with Swiss. I put a red arrow pointing out my location. I usually plot near Germanic countries (Germany, Austria, Switzerland, South Dutch) or Northern France.

Does anyone know what that light gray circle that encompass most of the Northern European counties is supposed to represent?

https://i.imgur.com/KcFAQn0.jpg

[Dick]

Does anyone know what that light gray circle that encompass most of the Northern European counties is supposed to represent?


islamic Migrant invasion

[Pubiczar]

No dummy, its just natural variation within the country. By the same logic, you could be considered a Greco-Bulgar.

Yeah, just a natural variation that puts them in cluster with us and Albanians!

[Coastal Elite]

islamic Migrant invasion

Ha! Now it makes sense. That gray circle also makes the other colors just a little bit darker.

[J. Ketch]

Does anyone know what that light gray circle that encompass most of the Northern European counties is supposed to represent?
Nothing, it's the circle generated for the people he's labeled as mixed ancestry, denoted by the grey dots.

[Erronkari]

Here I am (the green cyrcle), I plot in between Basques and Riojans/Catalans/Aragoneses

https://i.imgur.com/PorCdaa.jpg

[Nurzat]

up to date complete map all members anyone? :coffee:

I am Aśvārohī at the edge of the Bosniak cluster there

[J. Ketch]

ph2ter's Global 25 PCA, the most comprehensive.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9pyeq48ouf7l5ve/G25ByCountry.png?dl=0

[Gründig]

ph2ter's Global 25 PCA, the most comprehensive.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9pyeq48ouf7l5ve/G25ByCountry.png?dl=0

Is there a thread for this?

[J. Ketch]

Is there a thread for this?
You can start one if you like.