Would you consider me American?

[Jennifer]

I'm a natural-born citizen of the United States.

https://i.imgur.com/t1rtXXe.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fX32L7r.jpg

[Thanas Django]

The girls in the two pictures are different

[Jennifer]

The girls in the two pictures are different

The top one's newer and I weigh a little more.

[Kivan]

Yes. Why wouldn't you be one?

[Thanas Django]

The girls in the two pictures are different

[Jennifer]

Yes. Why wouldn't you be one?

Some people on the forum have an interesting take. I'm just wondering.

[Jennifer]

Yes. Why wouldn't you be one?

Some people on the forum have an interesting take. I'm just wondering.

[arkas]

Yes, I guess there are some ethno-nationalists who wouldn't consider people who are not purely European or sometimes even people who are not of the founding stock to be American but not me.

I am not sure why this is in the taxonomy section though, do you mean to ask if you look American?

[Jennifer]

Yes, I guess there are some ethno-nationalists who wouldn't consider people who are not purely European or sometimes even people who are not of the founding stock to be American but not me.

I am not sure why this is in the taxonomy section though, do you mean to ask if you look American?

Wasn't sure where else to put it. It seemed like a better idea when I first made it. It's late. But do I look American?

[Visage pâle]

Yes, why not ? Everybody can be american.

[arkas]

Wasn't sure where else to put it. It seemed like a better idea when I first made it. It's late. But do I look American?

An American can look like almost anything in terms of race, you do look American based on your style though but you can pass in many Latin American countries well.

[Jennifer]

An American can look like almost anything in terms of race, you do look American based on your style though but you can pass in many Latin American countries well.

Lots of Latin American countries where you can look like anything too.

[Kivan]

Some people on the forum have an interesting take. I'm just wondering.

What's happened? They said that because you are not Anglo or something?

[Jennifer]

What's happened? They said that because you are not Anglo or something?

It wasn't a personal comment.

[arkas]

Lots of Latin American countries where you can look like anything too.

True, btw what is your ancestry?

[Jennifer]

True, btw what is your ancestry?

All over the place.

[arkas]

All over the place.

Oh, you poor confused mixed soul, just like me. It'll be okay.

[Jennifer]

Oh, you poor confused mixed soul, just like me. It'll be okay.

I don't mind! You're mixed too?

[arkas]

I don't mind! You're mixed too?

Yes, although I think I am a mongrelization of quite different origins to you I suspect.

[Jennifer]

Yes, although I think I am a mongrelization of quite different origins to you I suspect.

European and Aborigine?

[arkas]

European and Aborigine?

Not a bad guess, but no.

[Jennifer]

Not a bad guess, but no.

Will you share?

[Maintenance]

Take normal pics without retard filters

[Kivan]

It wasn't a personal comment.

I just thought you was talking about the thread where an user said that non-Europeans can't be Americans.

[Jennifer]

I just thought you was talking about the thread where an user said that non-Europeans can't be Americans.

Oh, yeah. There's a few of those.

[Kaspias]

America = living without ethnicity, just with American identity. So answer is yes.

[Mortimer]

Yes of course, but Smeagol probably wouldnt. I think he is one of the few who wouldnt but most would.

[cyberlorian]

You look mainly Pontid. Maybe, Pontid phenotype is atypical for Americans but remind that almost nobody in US can pass as a native. :)

[Thorns]

Are you an anchor baby? ⚓️ �� ��

If you are an American citizen then I consider you an American. Anybody who wouldn't see you as American because of whatever your ethnic background may be is probably in a small or even tiny minority of people.

[Daco Celtic]

Yes, you look as American as apple pie :)

[TheMaestro]

List of people who can be American :

EVERYONE

[Papastratosels26]

Why not

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[Smeagol]

List of people who can be American :

EVERYONE

The Founding Fathers and majority of Americans up until the 1960s would disagree. People who aren't even American citizens don't have a say in this anyway.

[Jennifer]

The Founding Fathers and majority of Americans up until the 1960s would disagree. People who aren't even American citizens don't have a say in this anyway.

I was wondering if you'd show up.

[Lafaur]

You have the face of someone who's constantly asked yeah, you were born here but where are you really from?

[Sikeliot]

You look mainly Pontid. Maybe, Pontid phenotype is atypical for Americans but remind that almost nobody in US can pass as a native. :)

She looks mixed white and black. You cannot be serious if you think she looks Greek, Bulgarian, etc.

[Gangrel]

I love u

[Iloko]

Is the sky blue?

[Jennifer]

Lol

Why do you need approval of some bums of Internet ?

I don't need it. It's not that serious.

[Sikeliot]

How much African and European are you again? I forget. 20-25% African or so I think?

You are really pretty! And of course you're American, provided you're a citizen.

[Jennifer]

How much African and European are you again? I forget. 20-25% African or so I think?

You are really pretty! And of course you're American, provided you're a citizen.

22%.

[GreentheViper]

If you were born in America, you are American. If you moved there, it's a different story.

[cyberlorian]

22%.

Is there any Balkan?

[Jennifer]

Is there any Balkan?

No.

[Sikeliot]

22%.

I think that is consistent with your appearance.

[cyberlorian]

No.

Is 78 percent Northwestern Euro?

[Jennifer]

Is 78 percent Northwestern Euro?

Closer to 50 with the remainder mostly Iberian.

[B01AB20]

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[Sikeliot]

Closer to 50 with the remainder mostly Iberian.

So essentially you have an Anglo American parent and a mulatto Latino parent?

[TheMaestro]

The Founding Fathers and majority of Americans up until the 1960s would disagree. People who aren't even American citizens don't have a say in this anyway.

Oh really, I think we are both in the same spot.

https://i.imgur.com/Ok3fXnf.jpg

[Ruggery]

Only if you were born in the United States and grew up with the American culture, then you would consider yourself an American regardless of ethnicity.

[Catarinense1998]

If I had borned as american, I would not see you as american. So, my answer is No.

[Ruggery]

Just out of curiosity what is your ancestry?

[Ruggery]

If I had borned as american, I would not see you as american. So, my answer is No.

Nowadays it is not necessary to be an Anglo-american(WASP) to be a true American, it only matters if he was born there and grew up with the American culture.

[Lafaur]

Just out of curiosity what is your ancestry?

She's mostly privileged, some Wakandan and a whiff of Pocahontas

[Ruggery]

She's mostly privileged, some Wakandan and a whiff of Pocahontas

Privileged why? Because of being of an ethnic minority?

[Lafaur]

Privileged why? Because of being of an ethnic minority?

Privileged as in the SJW meaning, she's half white American half sumfin' from the Caribbean

[Ruggery]

She's mostly privileged, some Wakandan and a whiff of Pocahontas

By the way, in the case of being descendants of Pocahontas, we should also have more right than the Anglo-Saxon whites because the Native Americans are the true natives of the United States since antiquity unlike the others who are Americans since the 17th century.

[Lafaur]

By the way, in the case of being descendants of Pocahontas, we should also have more right than the Anglo-Saxon whites because the Native Americans are the true natives of the United States since antiquity unlike the others who are Americans since the 17th century.

Facts

[Ruggery]

Privileged as in the SJW meaning, she's half white American half sumfin' from the Caribbean

So she is a descendant of immigrants like almost all the citizens of that country.
She also seems millenial.

[Smeagol]

Oh really, I think we are both in the same spot.

https://i.imgur.com/Ok3fXnf.jpg

White people founded the United States. The Indians were just tribal savages. In fact there was no concept of America until European explorers came. By your logic the primitive Ainu people are more Japanese than the Japs.

[Smeagol]

By the way, in the case of being descendants of Pocahontas, we should also have more right than the Anglo-Saxon whites because the Native Americans are the true natives of the United States since antiquity unlike the others who are Americans since the 17th century.

Ridiculous. Being somewhere first means nothing when they couldn't even form their own nation.

[Ruggery]

Ridiculous. Being somewhere first means nothing when they couldn't even form their own nation.

By their own logic, the British Celts can not be true British because they had no idea of being a nation and the Anglo-Saxons did.

[Smeagol]

By their own logic, the British Celts can not be true British because they had no idea of being a nation and the Anglo-Saxons did.

The British Celts were not a nation but a bunch of primitive savages who were easily conquered by the Romans. The English nation was founded by the Anglo-Saxons, though of course many Celts were assimilated.

[Longbowman]

I'm a natural-born citizen of the United States.

why would we need to see your photos to answer the question?

[rein]

I'm a natural-born citizen of the United States.



Yes, more specifically I’d guess you to be Puerto Rican American.

[Creoda]

I have no idea what an American is and I don't want to know.

[Gründig]

Yes you are an American. Any other answer is nonsense.

[Bogdan]

You look Latin American and would look pretty typical in the US too, just not Anglo.

[The Lawspeaker]

Is the sky blue?

Don't ever ask that one to a Dutchman. (https://www.pietsweer.nl/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/02/IMG_0389-Grijze-lucht-960x540.jpg)

[The Lawspeaker]

And whether I consider you, Jennifer, to be American. I can't answer that question as I'm not American myself (thankfully, I might add).
So I'll leave this to one to the Yankees and the Johnny Rebs...

[Jennifer]

The British Celts were not a nation but a bunch of primitive savages who were easily conquered by the Romans. The English nation was founded by the Anglo-Saxons, though of course many Celts were assimilated.

What about the Welsh nation?

[Ayetooey]

Ur cute, what's your ethnicity, are you latino? And yes you're American, if you're born in America or a naturalised citizen, you're American.

[de Burgh II]

Of course. Nationhood/nationality denotes a country one is born into.

Its hearsay and illogical to claim otherwise since you were born here and your parents are naturalized citizens.

[Jennifer]

Of course. Nationhood/nationality denotes a country one is born into.

Its hearsay and illogical to claim otherwise since you were born here and your parents are naturalized citizens.

My parents were also born here.

[de Burgh II]

My parents were also born here.

Dis iz ze answer to your question then.

You iz American as apple pie. :p

[Creoda]

What about the Welsh nation?
Created in opposition to the English nation.

[The Lawspeaker]

Dis iz ze answer to your question then.

You iz American as apple pie. :p

Except apple pie isn't American... but European (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_pie).

[StonyArabia]

American.

[cyberlorian]

.

You can take a look at my thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?265526-Dear-Americans-can-anybody-pass-as-an-American

I will bump the thread soon. :)

[Mr. Anybody]

Whatsupp michael jackson?

[Smeagol]

What about the Welsh nation?

Established in the Middle Ages. As J. Ketch said, in opposition to the Germanic English.

[Ruggery]

Established in the Middle Ages. As J. Ketch said, in opposition to the Germanic English.

Almost the same thing happened in Scotland.

[Ruggery]

I ask myself the same question in my head all the time.
I have been the victim of bigotry many times by brown people that speak Spanish and by blacks, nether group accepted me as American, because I'm white.

Then if they do not believe you, you should not accept those blacks as Americans either.

[Smeagol]

Almost the same thing happened in Scotland.

Yes. Those were actual nations. The Celtic tribes of antiquity were not.

[Ruggery]

Yes. Those were actual nations. The Celtic tribes of antiquity were not.

Then the Picts were not nationalists and only fought against the Romans because they were savages instead of freeing their land from an invader.
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[Mortimer]

my opinion is that generally everyone who is a natural born citizen raised in american culture, and has no accent is american. if he moved there in his adulthood from somewhere else and retains a accent he still might be american though depends also on the person how fast he adapts and if he is american citizen. since you are natural born citizen, and even your parents were born in america as well, and i assume you have no accent, and were raised in american culture. i would say you are as american as apple pie. im not american, but thats my opinion and it seems majority of americans who posted here rather agree with my point of view.

[Smeagol]

Then the Picts were not nationalists and only fought against the Romans because they were savages instead of freeing their land from an invader

Yes, they would have been better off under Roman rule.

[Smeagol]

my opinion is that generally everyone who is a natural born citizen raised in american culture, and has no accent is american. if he moved there in his adulthood from somewhere else and retains a accent he still might be american though depends also on the person how fast he adapts and if he is american citizen. since you are natural born citizen, and even your parents were born in america as well, and i assume you have no accent, and were raised in american culture. i would say you are as american as apple pie. im not american, but thats my opinion and it seems majority of americans who posted here rather agree with my point of view.

But none of the Americans who posted are Nationalists except me.

[Mortimer]

But none of the Americans who posted are Nationalists except me.

but most americans arent nationalists in real life either, or civic nationalists only or constitutional patriots or wathever. even richmondbread thinks she is american and he is a little racist and conservative.

[Ruggery]

Yes, they would have been better off under Roman rule.

It's probably true, and I actually think that if the Romans had not left the British Isles before, the British islands would probably have repelled the Anglo-Saxons and the British islands under Roman rule would have developed even earlier. The Romans were better organized than the Celts.


I like the Germanics, but I must admit that the Anglo-Saxons and the Vikings brought delays to the British Isles.

[Smeagol]

but most americans arent nationalists in real life either, or civic nationalists only or constitutional patriots or wathever. even richmondbread thinks she is american and he is a little racist and conservative.

Maybe, but same is true in Western Europe. I just don't get why some Europeans here are so quick to claim America is for everyone and then say Europe should be for Europeans. Fact is, America was founded as a white ethnostate.

[Mortimer]

Maybe, but same is true in Western Europe. I just don't get why some Europeans here are so quick to claim America is for everyone and then say Europe should be for Europeans. Fact is, America was founded as a white ethnostate.

not in all european countries, but i agree its in britain like that because there is "british asian" "british carribean" "british black" etc. but not in every european country, i think in poland for example its not. it depends on the understanding of a nation of who they are.

[The Lawspeaker]

not in all european countries, but i agree its in britain like that because there is "british asian" "british carribean" "british black" etc. but not in every european country, i think in poland for example its not. it depends on the understanding of a nation of who they are.
That's only the official PC denomination. No self-respecting Brit I have met ever uses them: it's the same there as it is here on the mainland.

[ogrossauro]

ofc not
le 57%

[Aodhan]

yes

[Universe]

nice figure

[Catarinense1998]

Nowadays it is not necessary to be an Anglo-american(WASP) to be a true American, it only matters if he was born there and grew up with the American culture.

It is just my opinion. She is not a real one. Democrátic Fórum.

[Ayetooey]

That's only the official PC denomination. No self-respecting Brit I have met ever uses them: it's the same there as it is here on the mainland.

People use do British-Asian and terms like that. British=/=English. British in common language just means you have a British passport, it isn't an ethnicity persay, if you yourself immigrated to Britain and got a passport you'd also be British, but not English since English is an ethnicity, as is Scottish, Welsh etc, no one uses terms like "English-Asian" for example. Hope that that makes sense.

[The Lawspeaker]

People use do British-Asian and terms like that. British=/=English. British in common language just means you have a British passport, it isn't an ethnicity persay, if you yourself immigrated to Britain and got a passport you'd also be British, but not English since English is an ethnicity, as is Scottish, Welsh etc, no one uses terms like "English-Asian" for example. Hope that that makes sense.

It does, in a way. Britain is just "the state" but England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are the people.

[Jennifer]

ofc not
le 57%

I thought 57% was supposed to be quintessentially American?

[Ayetooey]

It does, in a way. Britain is just "the state" but England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are the people.

Pretty much, and to their credit minorities recognise this, my dad calls himself British in a national sense for example as he has the passport, but never English, since English is a bloodline, anyone who has a British passport can be British. According to polls vast majority of Asians, Blacks and Europeans refer to themselves as British-"insert" but natives refer to themselves as English/Scottish so there's a divide in that sense.

[Ruggery]

I thought 57% was supposed to be quintessentially American?

Only one thing are you Democrat or Republican?

[Jennifer]

Only one thing are you Democrat or Republican?

No.

[Ruggery]

No.

What?

[Jennifer]

What?

No, I'm not.

[Kriptc06]

I'm a natural-born citizen of the United States.



that's all you need Imo to be american, so yes. you are american-born, and a citizen by right.

[Ruggery]

No, I'm not.

You do not get along with any?

[Jennifer]

You do not get along with any?

I try to get along with everyone but I'm not registered to either and I sometimes vote for both. Ideologically, I'm a bit all over the map and I have a bias against incumbency and in favor of divided government. What some people call gridlock, I see as checks and balances in action.

[Erronkari]

Sure! Why not???

[Ruggery]

I try to get along with everyone but I'm not registered to either and I sometimes vote for both. Ideologically, I'm a bit all over the map and I have a bias against incumbency and in favor of divided government. What some people call gridlock, I see as checks and balances in action.

I understand you. You are the kind of person that seeks to please the majority. As long as you feel comfortable, there is no problem. :)

[Graham]

Pretty much, and to their credit minorities recognise this, my dad calls himself British in a national sense for example as he has the passport, but never English, since English is a bloodline, anyone who has a British passport can be British. According to polls vast majority of Asians, Blacks and Europeans refer to themselves as British-"insert" but natives refer to themselves as English/Scottish so there's a divide in that sense.

That's true in England, less so in Scotland. Britishness is the inclusive and less political term as my English girlfriend argues as seen more positively than saying you're English. "I'm a British Asian ", more than say " I'm an English Asian." In Scotland it's the other way round to England.

[Dominator]

yes

[StevenTylerAerosmith]

yeah you seem cool so I'd say so

[Mortimer]

I heard you thought before your DNA test that you are fully White? Is that correct? Its a bit surprising that you didnt know your ancestry or that no one in your place questioned your race. I was often told even by teachers, doctors etc. that im not White. I always knew Im not White. But I also knew my Family in serbia. So that might be a reason too. Maybe you thought your Family is fully White cuban? Or thats wrong that you thought that?

[Mark]

Yes, I accept you as full american.

*you look pretty cute in that second pic, just say'n.

[Hadouken]

I consider you canadian

[Mortimer]

I heard you thought before your DNA test that you are fully White? Is that correct? Its a bit surprising that you didnt know your ancestry or that no one in your place questioned your race. I was often told even by teachers, doctors etc. that im not White. I always knew Im not White. But I also knew my Family in serbia. So that might be a reason too. Maybe you thought your Family is fully White cuban? Or thats wrong that you thought that?

Last time someone told me im not White was the dermatologist one month ago. I went there for dandruff and asked him what Skin type I am. And he said im not a "classic caucasian type" because of my "ancestry" and that im dark, and he thinks im Skin type IV that was his conclusion. He didnt do a test. A cosmetician in drug store said Im Skin type III. So he did said im not "caucasian" which means White. The People in the drug store do Skin Analysis for cosmetic products and they can tell you your Skin type. http://www.atrium-apotheke.at/unser-team.html

[Rgvgjhvv]

I consider you canadian

Nope not invited sorry. Exclusive club members only

[Mortimer]

mortimer skin type doesn't make a person, be proud to be who you are !! you can never change yourself so make the best of it. don't envy someone else, be proud of yourself and be proud of your culture bro.

dude thats obvious.

[arkas]

Nope not invited sorry. Exclusive club members only

Can I be Canadian? I once bought a bottle of maple syrup and ate it with pancakes.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Can I be Canadian? I once bought a bottle of maple syrup and ate it with pancakes.

Pics or lies!!!!

[Jennifer]

Which State would I be most typical in?

[Gangrel]

Which State would I be most typical in?

Elbistan

[arkas]

Pretty much, and to their credit minorities recognise this, my dad calls himself British in a national sense for example as he has the passport, but never English, since English is a bloodline, anyone who has a British passport can be British. According to polls vast majority of Asians, Blacks and Europeans refer to themselves as British-"insert" but natives refer to themselves as English/Scottish so there's a divide in that sense.

Do you think Britain and Europe in general is less accepting than say, America and Australia, in being more open to accepting people who are willing to call themselves a national of their country, despite being a minority?

[Ayetooey]

Do you think Britain and Europe in general is less accepting than say, America and Australia, in being more open to accepting people who are willing to call themselves a national of their country, despite being a minority?

Yes, but I don't think that's a bad thing. I don't agree with assimilation, but integration. To forget the thousands of years of history and culture your ancestors experienced because you've immigrated to a new land or was born on a different rock is pathetic imo.

[arkas]

Yes, but I don't think that's a bad thing. I don't agree with assimilation, but integration. To forget the thousands of years of history and culture your ancestors experienced because you've immigrated to a new land or was born on a different rock is pathetic imo.

I disagree, 'forgetting your ancestors' so to speak is bound to inevitably happen as the generations go on and unless you're planning to go back to your grandparents home country, I don't see the need to be too attached to your ancestry.

[Ayetooey]

I disagree, 'forgetting your ancestors' so to speak is bound to inevitably happen as the generations go on and unless you're planning to go back to your grandparents home country, I don't see the need to be too attached to your ancestry.

.....

[Smeagol]

Yes, but I don't think that's a bad thing. I don't agree with assimilation, but integration. To forget the thousands of years of history and culture your ancestors experienced because you've immigrated to a new land or was born on a different rock is pathetic imo.

Immigrants aren't patriots. If they were they would stay in their own country.

[Creoda]

It does, in a way. Britain is just "the state" but England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are the people.
Only English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people are British.

[Nazarene]

Yes the New World is heavily based on a civic nationalism, and nationality is centered on adhering to the principles that the country stands for. Ofc you will never be ethnically fully White American or whatever, but that holds no relevance when it comes to legalities.

[The Lawspeaker]

Only English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people are British.

Except "British" doesn't seem to be an ethnic thing. You have Englishmen, Scotsmen, Welsh and Irish. You have those of Man, the Cornish, those from the Scilly's, the Orkney's, the Shetlands and the Channel Islands.

[Valedictorian]

I have family members that look stereotypically American, but they're not American, lol. If you have the American nationality, then you're American. Simple as that.

[Creoda]

Except "British" doesn't seem to be an ethnic thing. You have Englishmen, Scotsmen, Welsh and Irish. You have those of Man, the Cornish, those from the Scilly's, the Orkney's, the Shetlands and the Channel Islands.
I didn't mention ethnicity, but if British is not an ethnic thing then neither is Dutch, German, French or Italian. British including English, Scots, Welsh (and even Irish) are more genetically homogenous than any of those countries, they all speak the same language and with the exception of Ireland are all historically protestant. Moreover all the nations of the UK consider themselves British, with the exception of Scottish nationalists and Northern Irish Catholics.

British doesn't even have to be an ethnicity, it doesn't change the fact that only those groups are British. European isn't an ethnicity but you would agree that only those from European ethnicities are actually European, not just anybody with an EU passport.

[DevilsAvocado]

Yes, why not ? Everybody can be american.


Since 1965.

[The Lawspeaker]

I didn't mention ethnicity, but if British is not an ethnic thing then neither is Dutch, German, French or Italian. British including English, Scots, Welsh (and even Irish) are more genetically homogenous than any of those countries, they all speak the same language and with the exception of Ireland are all historically protestant. Moreover all the nations of the UK consider themselves British, with the exception of Scottish nationalists and Northern Irish Catholics.

British doesn't even have to be an ethnicity, it doesn't change the fact that only those groups are British. European isn't an ethnicity but you would agree that only those from European ethnicities are actually European, not just anybody with an EU passport.

Actually: the Netherlands and Britain cannot be compared. There is no such thing as a British people or ethnicity. But there is a British state. The Welsh, the English, Irish and Scots originally didn't even speak the same language but only got that because they were absorbed under the threat of bullets and bayonets. The Dutch were one people just not one country.

[Creoda]

Actually: the Netherlands and Britain cannot be compared. There is no such thing as a British people or ethnicity. But there is a British state. The Welsh, the English, Irish and Scots originally didn't even speak the same language but only got that because they were absorbed under the threat of bullets and bayonets. The Dutch were one people just not one country.
Rubbish. The Dutch state has existed for less than 450 years, not much longer than the British state in the scheme of things. I've talked to Dutch people who don't believe in a Dutch ethnicity, and from a genetic standpoint they have a point; people from Limburg are genetically further from North Dutch than English are from Scots or Welsh. Not to mention Flemings who are even further away and Catholic. Lowland Scots (and their Ulster Scot Northern Irish descendants) have spoken English since the early Middle Ages. What others spoke in the past matters nothing compared to what they speak and identify as today. English, Welsh, Scots and protestant Northern Irish identify as British and it's arrogant and ill-founded for you to say they aren't.

[RenaRyuguu]

You don't look White American but you could prob pass for one in one's eyes and you could prob tick Caucasian on a form or smth. You look Latina to me or South American if anything which is a huge part of American culture and population so to me you're American. If I got your ethnicity wrong please don't blame me as the photos you posted aren't very clear especially with the face filters.

[The Lawspeaker]

Rubbish. The Dutch state has existed for less than 450 years, not much longer than the British state in the scheme of things. I've talked to Dutch people who don't believe in a Dutch ethnicity, and from a genetic standpoint they have a point; people from Limburg are genetically further from North Dutch than English are from Scots or Welsh. Not to mention Flemings who are even further away and Catholic. Lowland Scots (and their Ulster Scot Northern Irish descendants) have spoken English since the early Middle Ages. What others spoke in the past matters nothing compared to what they speak and identify as today. English, Welsh, Scots and protestant Northern Irish identify as British and it's arrogant and ill-founded for you to say they aren't.

It actually matters a lot what people speak: the Normans colonised the English, using them as a vassal to subjugate their neighbours. The Dutch nation was born out of a rebellion against Spain and they had already shared a culture for the last 800 years and the fact that the Northern Dutch are Protestant is only because of the Reformation and the Netherlands, like England, Scotland (etc), is historically Catholic (and even today is still majority Catholic). The fact that the Limburgers have a different set of genes is because the Limburgers are a minority (and even recognised as such) who were never historically part of the actual Netherlands. The fact that the official language of the UK is English (there is no such thing as a "British" language !), should be enough indication of who runs the show.

The fact that the others started speaking English was because their entire culture was laid waste to. The "British" even went as far as to ban the Scots from playing bagpipes or wearing kilts for a time.

The difference between Dutch republican or localist movements and English, Scots, Welsh and even Cornish independence movements is that the Dutch (minus the Frisians and even they don't want independence) is not a country of minorities but merely a "keeping regional control in resistance to Holland" (which lords over the Netherlands as London does over England) and everyone considers themselves to be Dutch while nationalisms in the UK have an ethnic basis.

[RenaRyuguu]

You don't look White American but you could prob pass for one in one's eyes and you could prob tick Caucasian on a form or smth. You look Latina to me or South American if anything which is a huge part of American culture and population so to me you're American. If I got your ethnicity wrong please don't blame me as the photos you posted aren't very clear especially with the face filters.

Adding to this comment. If you are a mix of Southern European nations or smth like that then you're also American as they played a huge part in creating America but everyone who lives there does so American identity means being American as that is what America was mostly founded on. Your look could pass in most Southern European countries as well