Do Basques always cluster as an outlier?

[Sikeliot]

Or do they ever cluster with other Europeans in nearby countries, i.e. French, Spanish, Italians etc?

[Ibericus]

The closest are spaniards, and then french.

[Sikeliot]

This chart shows them as overlapping with Spain but generally an outlier.. but on 23andme they're completely isolated.

Is it that Spaniards all have Basque genes, but Basques lack other components that other nearby Europeans have?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/Zyklop/dna1.png

[Ibericus]

Is it that Spaniards all have Basque genes, but Basques lack other components that other nearby Europeans have?

Yes. Spaniards are genetically the closest to basque. In some plots they overlapp or are very close :

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TR8ox_MI6qI/AAAAAAAADIE/zEcyBpR0U8s/s1600/MDS1600.png

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3074/eumescalabeled.jpg

[Oreka Bailoak]

Yes Basques as a group are a unique outlier.

Basques are the most native group in Western Europe- and by that I mean they have the smallest outside influences.

Basques
0% I1
9% I2a
0% I2b
0% R1a
86% R1b
0% G2a
2.5% J2
1% J1
1% E1b1b
0% T (+L)
0.5% Q
0% N1c1

^You see all those 0%'s?


http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml
^Compare the Basques with other European groups and you'll see what I mean.

[gold_fenix]

between the basques exist a extrange disease called sudden sleep, the 50% of the patients are basques and the rest looks have a basque origin.
Terrible disease

[Sikeliot]

I'm not saying this as anything other than a serious question, but is there any reason to believe that Southern Italians cluster anywhere near the Basques? because on another site I go to, someone keeps trying to insist that all on the basis of this one table (which, for the record, has Jordanians clustering closer to Europe than the rest of the Middle East.. so I don't know if it's reputable).

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu253/Tyranos/autosomes.jpg

[Oreka Bailoak]

I'm not saying this as anything other than a serious question, but is there any reason to believe that Southern Italians cluster anywhere near the Basques? because on another site I go to, someone keeps trying to insist that all on the basis of this one table (which, for the record, has Jordanians clustering closer to Europe than the rest of the Middle East.. so I don't know if it's reputable).
I have no idea what genes they're picking as the "two principle components". Maybe if they picked more "principle components" it would be more accurate but I really cannot say what that graph means...

But Sardinia I've seen as a outlier because they also have less outside influence similar to the Basques. (but not isolated genetically to the extent as the Basques are)

As for Southern Italy- like Sicily or the Boot of Italy- those areas have lots of different influences so I doubt it would show up as one of the major outliers like the Basques do.

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml
^Look at that again for the different Regions of Italy and see what I mean...

[Ibericus]

I'm not saying this as anything other than a serious question, but is there any reason to believe that Southern Italians cluster anywhere near the Basques? because on another site I go to, someone keeps trying to insist that all on the basis of this one table (which, for the record, has Jordanians clustering closer to Europe than the rest of the Middle East.. so I don't know if it's reputable).

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu253/Tyranos/autosomes.jpg
doesn't look like an autosomal map more likely a haplogroup PCA.

[Sikeliot]

Well, someone on another site is posting that left and right to show some sort of closeness between Basques and southern Italians. :lol: But it also has Croatia near NW Spain, and Jordan near S. Italy and Greece and not near the other Middle Eastern populations, so it doesn't seem reputable in my opinion.

[Loddfafner]

The main thing with Basques is that you must take care to never cluster them in one exit.

[Sikeliot]

The main thing with Basques is that you must take care to never cluster them in one exit.

What do you mean?

[Pallantides]

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

Eupedia is not a good source imo, Y-DNA Q's frequency is around 2-5% in Norway but on Eupedia it's 0.5%.

[Sikeliot]

Well, this is from another study and shows genetic clines in Europe and this is the Basque one

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnhsVFu5IBHeget8IFRhYpdFX5CrMFE BSlobPc7o9s9yR5tZ4e8Q&t=1

[Ibericus]

This one posted by Pallantides, based on Dodecad project, altough it's not quite correct, the southern spaniards are also related :

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/9239/badodk11.jpg

[Sikeliot]

It appears to follow the same pattern as the one I posted. :)