Mexican Mestizos are genetically close to Tatars?

[cyberlorian]

I have taken the middle point of Spanish and Amerindian in order to represent Mexican Mestizo. They seemed to be close Tatars among the old world populations. Is it true?

https://image.ibb.co/iLoY5A/K15V4.png

[cyberlorian]

Any idea or any comment?

[cyberlorian]

Bump.

[Token]

Yes. Amerindians are East Eurasians after all, and not much different from Eastern Siberians except for higher West Eurasian admixture.

[Leto]

Not close at all. Completely different ancestry. Eastern European, Caucasian and Siberian/Mongoloid vs. Southwestern European, Native American and some African.
Any more retarded questions?

[cyberlorian]

Not close at all. Completely different ancestry. Eastern European, Caucasian and Siberian/Mongoloid vs. Southwestern European, Native American and some African.
Any more retarded questions?

African admixture among Mexicans is not so high. North Americans usually have less SSA than South Americans.

Also, please read the details and look at the PCA plot I have posted.

[silentkiller]

Yeah, there's just one race, the human race. This forum is just a bunch of racist fucks.

[Gangrel]

So similar that they look literally nothing alike. Wew lad

[Lucas]

This is classic example of "PCA projection bias".

[Maguzanci]

This is classic example of "PCA projection bias".

Can you explain what that means?

[Iloko]

but made up of completely different admixtures I think lol

[Chaos One]

Can you explain what that means?

More like you use a specific data to make it work for your means.

I mean, at K3 saying a Mestizo = Tatar makes some sense, but beyond that there's a lot of things that would make them totally different. It's like saying that if Welsh + Japanese = Bulgarian + Cherokee because White Caucasian + Mongoloid makes the same mix ever.

At same time, Token is right, because overall speaking the point that Mestizos would fill a gap being Eurasian isn't wrong at all, since the Amerindian component wouldn't be that far from Northern Siberian ones (at least some Northern Native Americans for example).

[Maguzanci]

More like you use a specific data to make it work for your means.

I mean, at K3 saying a Mestizo = Tatar makes some sense, but beyond that there's a lot of things that would make them totally different. It's like saying that if Welsh + Japanese = Bulgarian + Cherokee because White Caucasian + Mongoloid makes the same mix ever.

At same time, Token is right, because overall speaking the point that Mestizos would fill a gap being Eurasian isn't wrong at all, since the Amerindian component wouldn't be that far from Northern Siberian ones (at least some Northern Native Americans for example).

What you explain make sense. I will add that the pure blood Cherokee would already have ancient 22-25% Caucasoid-related admix from the 40% ANE ancestry of Amerindians (ANE/Ancient North Eurasian aka Paleolithic Mammoth Hunter Gatherers are an Western-shifted leaning intermediate ancient population between Caucasoids and Mongs). Which would make the Bulgarian+Cherokee more Western shifted genetically towards Caucasoids than a Welsh+Japanese mix.

For example, this Peruvian who is would 77-79% Amerindian 21-23% Euro with maybe 1% SSA would cluster close to Hazara, Karakalpak, some Kazakhs who are more Caucasoid-shifted (having more than 40% Western blood as the average Kazakh are 35% Caucasoid). This is because him and these Central Asian populations they have the similar proportions of Asiatic and Caucasoid admixtures: around 58-59% Asiatic and 41-42% Caucasoid using Gedrosia K3

You can also see his pics and other DNA results here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?264702-Autosomal-results-of-a-Peruvian

His Gedrosia K3 results: M554849

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 E_Eurasian 57.91
2 W_Eurasian 41.19
3 SSA 0.91

Karakalpak
Kit Number: M256014
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 E_Eurasian 58.81
2 W_Eurasian 41.19

Hazara
Kit Number: M398783
Admix Results (sorted):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 E_Eurasian 58.35
2 W_Eurasian 41.53
3 SSA 0.12

Kazakh (this kit is one of those who score more than 40% Western blood which is in the upper range for Kazakhs, average Kazakh is 35% Western admixed):
Kit Number: M641277

# Population Percent
1 E_Eurasian 58.11
2 W_Eurasian 41.43
3 SSA 0.46 (most likely just noise or it is ASI-related ancestry altho I have saw some Kazakhs who has around 1-2% SSA which might also be noise)

[Alenka]

Well, similar in the sense that both have Mongoloid and Caucasoid components. And interestingly, I have seen Mexicans who can pass as Tatars and Tatars who can pass as Mexicans.

[Pigling]

They're more like Turks. Both populations are mix between Mediterranean Caucasoid and Mongoloid.

[Alenka]

They're more like Turks. Both populations are mix between Mediterranean Caucasoid and Mongoloid.
Anatolian Turks plot in the Middle Eastern cluster. Perhaps the Uzbeks would be a better example to compare with Mexicans, because if I'm not mistaken, Uzbeks tend to score Mongoloid in the Harnizo-Mestizo range like many Mexicans do.

[Zuh]

Anatolian Turks plot in the Middle Eastern cluster. Perhaps the Uzbeks would be a better example to compare with Mexicans, because if I'm not mistaken, Uzbeks tend to score Mongoloid in the Harnizo-Mestizo range like many Mexicans do.

I'm mexican myself but can't pass as Tatar but can pass as Canary islander and Northern African.

[Zuh]

but made up of completely different admixtures I think lol

Yeah we are made up of different races Primarly Caucasian than amerindian than some African admixture ranges per individuals of course in reality there's no such thing as mexican

[Zuh]

Yes. Amerindians are East Eurasians after all, and not much different from Eastern Siberians except for higher West Eurasian admixture.

So are you saying amerindians have a higher west Eurasian admixture than Siberian amerindians? Shouldn't be the other way around?

[Token]

So are you saying amerindians have a higher west Eurasian admixture than Siberian amerindians? Shouldn't be the other way around?

They do have more West Eurasian than unadmixed native Siberians.

[MenoAp]

According to the most accepted theories, America's (Continent) first inhabitants were of Asian origin (mongoloid), and some (or most) of them from Siberia.

[Smeagol]

Yes, they're genetically similar because Amerindians are genetically similar to Siberians. They look different because Amerindians have lived in the Americas for thousands of years and adapted to their various environments differently.

[Zuh]

Yes, they're genetically similar because Amerindians are genetically similar to Siberians. They look different because Amerindians have lived in the Americas for thousands of years and adapted to their various environments differently.

Nope not true at all we can just say we are a very mixed ethnicity .

Castizo mexicans will cluster different than mestizo mexicans and mestizo mexicans will cluster differen than indomestizo/amerindian mexicans and so on.

[Smeagol]

Nope not true at all we can just say we are a very mixed ethnicity .

Castizo mexicans will cluster different than mestizo mexicans and mestizo mexicans will cluster differen than indomestizo/amerindian mexicans and so on.

What's not true? This thread is about Mestizos (Who are the vast majority of Mexicans anyway).

[Zuh]

What's not true? This thread is about Mestizos (Who are the vast majority of Mexicans anyway).

Yes but I wouldn't rely on this thread as a source that we cluster with tatars two completely different populations anyway that's my opinion.

[Smeagol]

Yes but I wouldn't rely on this thread as a source that we cluster with tatars two completely different populations anyway that's my opinion.

Different ancestries but relatively similar ancestral components.

[Leto]

Volga Tagars are around 75-85% West Eurasian. I don't think Mexicans are that much European on average. The two groups have completely different origins - Mexicans have Southern European and Sephardic ancestry + native American and a certain amount of SS African. Tatars are Eastern European (IE, Finno-Ugric) + some Caucasian and of course Siberian and Turkic.

[Speedy Freedy]

Well, similar in the sense that both have Mongoloid and Caucasoid components. And interestingly, I have seen Mexicans who can pass as Tatars and Tatars who can pass as Mexicans.

I'm not surprised. I'm Tatar (albeit my paternal grandmother was Russian) and when I was in California, I have been mistaken for Mexican.

[Leto]

I'm not surprised. I'm Tatar (albeit my paternal grandmother was Russian) and when I was in California, I have been mistaken for Mexican.
Have you done a DNA test?

[Speedy Freedy]

Have you done a DNA test?

No, not yet.

[gadele]

What you explain make sense. I will add that the pure blood Cherokee would already have ancient 22-25% Caucasoid-related admix from the 40% ANE ancestry of Amerindians (ANE/Ancient North Eurasian aka Paleolithic Mammoth Hunter Gatherers are an Western-shifted leaning intermediate ancient population between Caucasoids and Mongs). Which would make the Bulgarian+Cherokee more Western shifted genetically towards Caucasoids than a Welsh+Japanese mix.

For example, this Peruvian who is would 77-79% Amerindian 21-23% Euro with maybe 1% SSA would cluster close to Hazara, Karakalpak, some Kazakhs who are more Caucasoid-shifted (having more than 40% Western blood as the average Kazakh are 35% Caucasoid). This is because him and these Central Asian populations they have the similar proportions of Asiatic and Caucasoid admixtures: around 58-59% Asiatic and 41-42% Caucasoid using Gedrosia K3

You can also see his pics and other DNA results here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?264702-Autosomal-results-of-a-Peruvian

His Gedrosia K3 results: M554849

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 E_Eurasian 57.91
2 W_Eurasian 41.19
3 SSA 0.91

Karakalpak
Kit Number: M256014
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 E_Eurasian 58.81
2 W_Eurasian 41.19

Hazara
Kit Number: M398783
Admix Results (sorted):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 E_Eurasian 58.35
2 W_Eurasian 41.53
3 SSA 0.12

Kazakh (this kit is one of those who score more than 40% Western blood which is in the upper range for Kazakhs, average Kazakh is 35% Western admixed):
Kit Number: M641277

# Population Percent
1 E_Eurasian 58.11
2 W_Eurasian 41.43
3 SSA 0.46 (most likely just noise or it is ASI-related ancestry altho I have saw some Kazakhs who has around 1-2% SSA which might also be noise)
From where do you think the SSA would be coming from if it was not noise?
I am surprised because I have 3 times his SSA admixture in Gedrosia. I thought my Amerindian part was giving me some SSA in K15 = 0.41 but now with Gedrosia I am getting 3.05 that is 7.4 times more.

Eurasia K3 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):


<tbody>
#
Population
Percent


1
W_Eurasian
81.17


2
E_Eurasian
15.77


3
SSA
3.05



</tbody>
and I am close to this population in Pakistan
1 Brahui @ 3.726753

The PCA plot for K15 I was close to Rumanian / Bulgarian that makes more sense to me.
Any explanation for the huge increase in SSA? It cannot be just noise.