PDA

View Full Version : Superman Renounces U.S. Citizenship



Grumpy Cat
04-29-2011, 10:34 PM
After recently undertaking a journey to walk -- not fly -- across the United States in the "Grounded" storyline and reconnect with the country and everyday Americans, Superman appears to be taking another step that could have major implications for his national identity: in Action Comics #900...

...Superman announces that he is going to give up his U.S. citizenship. Despite very literally being an alien immigrant, Superman has long been seen as a patriotic symbol of "truth, justice, and the American way," from his embrace of traditional American ideals to the iconic red and blue of his costume. What it means to stand for the "American way" is an increasingly complicated thing, however, both in the real world and in superhero comics, whose storylines have increasingly seemed to mirror current events and deal with moral and political complexities rather than simple black and white morality.

The key scene takes place in "The Incident," a short story in Action Comics #900 written by David S. Goyer with art by Miguel Sepulveda. In it, Superman consults with the President's national security advisor, who is incensed that Superman appeared in Tehran to non-violently support the protesters demonstrating against the Iranian regime, no doubt an analogue for the recent real-life protests in the Middle East. However, since Superman is viewed as an American icon in the DC Universe as well as our own, the Iranian government has construed his actions as the will of the American President, and indeed, an act of war.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/04/superman-citizenship-1303916053.jpg

Superman replies that it was foolish to think that his actions would not reflect politically on the American government, and that he therefore plans to renounce his American citizenship at the United Nations the next day -- and to continue working as a superhero from a more global than national perspective. From a "realistic" standpoint it makes sense; it would indeed be impossible for a nigh-omnipotent being ideologically aligned with America to intercede against injustice beyond American borders without creating enormous political fallout for the U.S. government.

While this wouldn't be this first time a profoundly American comic book icon disassociated himself from his national identity -- remember when Captain America became Nomad? -- this could be a very significant turning point for Superman if its implications carry over into other storylines. Indeed, simply saying that "truth, justice and the American way [is] not enough anymore" is a pretty startling statement from the one man who has always represented those values the most.

It doesn't seem that he's abandoning those values, however, only trying to implement them on a larger scale and divorce himself from the political complexities of nationalism. Superman also says that he believes he has been thinking "too small," that the world is "too connected" for him to limit himself with a purely national identity. As an alien born on another planet, after all, he "can't help but see the bigger picture."

Do you think the shift to a more global role makes sense for Superman? If he really is going to renounce his U.S. citizenship in order to function as a more international figure, how do you think it will affect the character?

Read More: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/04/27/superman-renounces-us-citizenship/#ixzz1KxEBP2ir

Beorn
04-29-2011, 10:40 PM
EXTRA EXTRA! Jewish creation denounces its citizenship!


Superman appeared in Tehran to non-violently support the protesters demonstrating against the Iranian regime

LOL!

EXTRA EXTRA! Jewish creation denounces its citizenship!

Eldritch
04-29-2011, 10:44 PM
EXTRA EXTRA! Jewish creation denounces its citizenship!


Superman is actually a (Jewish) interpretation of the Nietzschean concept of the übermensch, if I'm not mistaken.

Oh well, at least Dr. Manhattan is still an American. :pray:

Great Dane
04-30-2011, 01:52 AM
When did Superman ever become a citizen of the United States? He was born on Krypton and I don't remember him ever taking a citizenship oath.

Grumpy Cat
04-30-2011, 01:53 AM
When did Superman ever become a citizen of the United States? He was born on Krypton and I don't remember him ever taking a citizenship oath.

Wasn't he adopted by American parents as a child? Wouldn't that make him automatically American?

Guapo
04-30-2011, 01:53 AM
When did Superman ever become a citizen of the United States? He was born on Krypton and I don't remember him ever taking a citizenship oath.

Neither do I or maybe I was stoned that day.

Great Dane
04-30-2011, 02:03 AM
Wasn't he adopted by American parents as a child? Wouldn't that make him automatically American?

I don't know what the law is on that. I'll have to ask someone who has adopted an Haitian or Chinese girl.

Odoacer
04-30-2011, 06:11 AM
Wasn't he adopted by American parents as a child? Wouldn't that make him automatically American?

I don't think he was formally adopted. The Kents found him & raised him as their own child. However, his situation would seem to fall under U.S. Code § 1401(f), which states that one is a citizen by birth who is:


a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States

;)

Mercury
04-30-2011, 06:12 AM
Meh, Superman isn't my favorite super hero. He's way too powerful.

Groenewolf
04-30-2011, 06:15 AM
Meh, Superman isn't my favorite super hero. He's way too powerful.

Also enjoyed that scene on the continent created by Luthor in the latest Superman movie?:D

Grumpy Cat
04-30-2011, 07:09 AM
I don't think he was formally adopted. The Kents found him & raised him as their own child. However, his situation would seem to fall under U.S. Code § 1401(f), which states that one is a citizen by birth who is:

a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States


;)

So he's American, then. Well, was.

SwordoftheVistula
04-30-2011, 09:22 AM
Just because they want to market to a more global audience. Though, it is not surprising that he would not want to be associated with a foreign policy which makes highly dubious claims about opposing countries issuing viagra to their troops in order to incite mass rapes. At least Bush's claims passed the laugh test of plausibility.

Magister Eckhart
05-02-2011, 06:51 AM
I guess he'll start defending the Israeli Way now.

I always thought Superman was kind of idiotic anyway, to be honest. It would be better to just end the franchise.

Hussar
05-02-2011, 07:43 AM
The thread is very interesting since it opens the ambiguous question of politicization of american popular culture (films, music, comics etc.). It's hard to estabilish the extent and the consciousness of this psico-sociologic mechanism.

It's obvious that the products of a given civilization or nationality have, de facto, the traits and the charachteristics of the original source. It's natural. But WHEN this "innocent de facto" surpasses the borders of the licit , evolving in less or more marked process of politicization ?
It's just a provokative interrogative. There isn't any possible answer. The border is too subtle. Often invisible for most of peoples.


THIS is my personal experience :

I had been an avid reader or american comic books for alot of yrs (teen age, clearly). It was part of my everyday life. Seriously. (Marvel essentially and not DC)
Strangely.......although 99,9% of charachters and histories were fictionally based in the U.S. (or proximal places) , i've NEVER connected them to the U.S.A. ; i mean : in my mind i saw them as peoples of "generic" nationality. for me.......the "SUPER HEROES" hadn't a precise nationality. Was just a little detail in that vast fictional world.

Charachters like Daredevil (Matthew Murdock) Spiderman (Peter Parker), the Avengers, the Fantastic FOUR etc. etc. , WEREN'T "american super heroes" , but rather "super heroes". I psychologically splitted them from their nationality. Let alone any reference to U.S.A. international policy (and keep in mind that above, i mentioned the most standard charachters and teams, supposedly patriotic "Avengers, and FF." and not supposedly alternative/eversive forces like X-MEN or others).


To make it simple i enjoied those stories and storylines but severed (substantially) of reference to any national contest. Probably there are many explainations for this.....1) i was very young and not politically aware, to notice important details 2) Marvel comics , per sč, is in a way, less orthodox politically than the DC comic 3) the adaptation (translations etc.) of italian edition, etc. etc.

Recently i knew that even "ROCKY BALBOA" is considered by some (?) an "american hero", although i usually saw him just as an "hero" of fictional boxing !

_______
05-05-2011, 03:42 PM
'
The thread is very interesting since it opens the ambiguous question of politicization of american popular culture (films, music, comics etc.). It's hard to estabilish the extent and the consciousness of this psico-sociologic mechanism.

It's obvious that the products of a given civilization or nationality have, de facto, the traits and the charachteristics of the original source. It's natural. But WHEN this "innocent de facto" surpasses the borders of the licit , evolving in less or more marked process of politicization ?
It's just a provokative interrogative. There isn't any possible answer. The border is too subtle. Often invisible for most of peoples.


THIS is my personal experience :

I had been an avid reader or american comic books for alot of yrs (teen age, clearly). It was part of my everyday life. Seriously. (Marvel essentially and not DC)
Strangely.......although 99,9% of charachters and histories were fictionally based in the U.S. (or proximal places) , i've NEVER connected them to the U.S.A. ; i mean : in my mind i saw them as peoples of "generic" nationality. for me.......the "SUPER HEROES" hadn't a precise nationality. Was just a little detail in that vast fictional world.

Charachters like Daredevil (Matthew Murdock) Spiderman (Peter Parker), the Avengers, the Fantastic FOUR etc. etc. , WEREN'T "american super heroes" , but rather "super heroes". I psychologically splitted them from their nationality. Let alone any reference to U.S.A. international policy (and keep in mind that above, i mentioned the most standard charachters and teams, supposedly patriotic "Avengers, and FF." and not supposedly alternative/eversive forces like X-MEN or others).


To make it simple i enjoied those stories and storylines but severed (substantially) of reference to any national contest. Probably there are many explainations for this.....1) i was very young and not politically aware, to notice important details 2) Marvel comics , per sč, is in a way, less orthodox politically than the DC comic 3) the adaptation (translations etc.) of italian edition, etc. etc.

Recently i knew that even "ROCKY BALBOA" is considered by some (?) an "american hero", although i usually saw him just as an "hero" of fictional boxing !

i felt this way as a child, subconciously locating every american story in a variant of england. the fact that i was vaguely aware that america was a 'new country' with 'no history' heightened this - in my head, america was born in the 50s, a paradise of disney and sesame street and bubblegum and coca-cola! :D

Rosenrot
05-05-2011, 04:19 PM
USA got Obama. Don't need superman.

Smaland
05-05-2011, 04:30 PM
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Matthew 10:36, KJV

Groenewolf
05-05-2011, 10:53 PM
Just wondering would mr. Kent also renounce his citizenship. Or has the glasses fallen off in the comic line.:coffee: