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gıulıoımpa
11-17-2018, 04:09 PM
Italoceltic: Subdivition of a indoeuropeans, composed by multitude of peoples that lived arond the northern black sea shores. relationship is only proved by many language similarities between the two subranches (impressive similarities i may add)

if you believe in the hypothesis of prolongued close convinvence(rather than common origin) of the two group (that ended up influencing each other) post a look you think a proto celtic or proto italic had (still in the ancestral locations not far from the black sea, at least in origin)

gıulıoımpa
11-17-2018, 04:13 PM
is Valentino Rossi close enough? or too Neolithic?

https://ips.plug.it/cips/sport.virgilio.it/cms/2018/07/valentino-rossi_1120846supereva.jpg?w=600&a=r

also maybe Giorgia Meloni?

https://formiche.net/timthumb.php?src=https://formiche.net/files/2014/05/flop-meloni.jpg&h=580&w=950&bid=10051&zc=1

and this mayor?

https://archivi.diariodelweb.it/img/560/526/526548-995x525.jpg


as you can see by those three i have this sort of look in mind but i don't know if it is correct

Caveat Emptor
11-17-2018, 04:23 PM
Certainly a common Italoceltic origin. Atlantids are the proof :D However, if you go back max 7.000 years, all IE was a single group of already mixed EHG + CHG speaking the proto-indoeuropean language. Some scholars say that proto-IE was still spoken even as late as 3000 BC.

Ryuk
11-17-2018, 04:25 PM
I believe in the Italo-Celtic proto language unity,but I don't think that language is old enough to form in the Black Sea.The most probable possibility is that they came from the unetice culture in central Europe and splited around 1500 BC with the migration of proto italic (terramare)

https://www.google.com.tr/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/unetice_culture.shtml&ved=2ahUKEwixu-GL99veAhUFMewKHd-TCvsQFjABegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1oJvDUCQeR6AfHNtQLNhb9&cshid=1542475190363

gıulıoımpa
11-17-2018, 04:27 PM
I believe in the Italo-Celtic proto language unity,but I don't think that language is old enough to form in the Black Sea.The most probable possibility is that they came from the unetice culture in central Europe and splited around 1500 BC with the migration of proto italic (terramare)

https://www.google.com.tr/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/unetice_culture.shtml&ved=2ahUKEwixu-GL99veAhUFMewKHd-TCvsQFjABegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1oJvDUCQeR6AfHNtQLNhb9&cshid=1542475190363

i see.

they probably had the biggest impact on dispersing pre IE Rhaetic languages, the more they were close to those ancestral location the more they would probably be considered diverging dialects rather than two langauges


what do you think they would have looked like before final separation , maybe just before moving to central europe from the east?

Caveat Emptor
11-17-2018, 04:29 PM
I believe in the Italo-Celtic proto language unity,but I don't think that language is old enough to form in the Black Sea.The most probable possibility is that they came from the unetice culture in central Europe and splited around 1500 BC with the migration of proto italic (terramare)

https://www.google.com.tr/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/unetice_culture.shtml&ved=2ahUKEwixu-GL99veAhUFMewKHd-TCvsQFjABegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1oJvDUCQeR6AfHNtQLNhb9&cshid=1542475190363

Interesting hypothesis - were the Unetice peoples more Corded Ware or Bell Beaker?

I score quite high on Unetice on Gedmatch with Corded Ware / Bell Beaker as the Oracle reference population and I have both Irish and Italian ancestry among others.

gıulıoımpa
11-17-2018, 04:48 PM
bump

Nurzat
11-17-2018, 04:49 PM
this branch of Indoeuropeans went westwards and lived for a while in the region of contact between Eastern, Central and Balkanic Europe (most probably around today's Transylvania), from where they then expanded to Southcentral Europe. this must be where their dialect individuated itself better and it may have been the place of their further split.

genetically they must have been still close to the Steppe Indoeuropeans, with some local mixing with Neolithic farmer descendants they found in the region (in Eastcentral Europe, that is).

their looks must have had a certain diversity, with both Pontid-like and Nordid-like types and mixes of these, and maybe even some Alpine-like local types of Eastcentral Europe.

I think the trademark Celtic look of much later times was something Celts picked up in Central Europe, not something the initial speakers brought from the steppe.

Mihai Roman (ROU), Alexandru Chipciu (ROU), Andrii Shevchenko (UKR) or Iurii Gazinskii (RUS) could all look relevant I think

http://www.informatia-zilei.ro/sm/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/roman.jpg
http://www.informatia-zilei.ro/sm/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Chipciu.jpeg
http://greatfootball.club/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/andriy-shevchenko-ac-milan-wallpaper-28c82f839b99d0b346f1b005f113b8fd79c1c4e9.jpg
https://www.sofoot.com/IMG/joueurs/yuriy-gazinskiy-106343.jpg