How big is the Mena input in Iberian peninsula?

[xripkan]

How much did Islamic conquest affect Spain and Portugal in genetic terms? Is it real that modern Iberians -especially in the south- have a high MENA admixture?

[Ayetooey]

Between 5-15 percent I'd assume. Gedmatch is a better tool than 23andme and ancestrydna for such things I think.

[Sikeliot]

It is on an east to west basis in Iberia (higher in the west and lowest in the Pyrenees region), not north to south.

[Sikeliot]

I think it is around 12% in Portugal and adjacent parts of Spain like Galicia, Extremadura, etc. and decreases as you move east in Spain.

Interestingly, MENA input also increases as you move west in Sicily too, with a few exceptions.

[Tietar]

according to a study on average 20% of the population has an ancestor from the Middle East (Neolithic, Phoenician, Jewish, etc.), and 10% have some North African ancestry.

By regions varies, Andalucia has one of the lowest percentages, and Galicia highest. Which indicates that this heritage is ancient.

[Joso]

It is on an east to west basis in Iberia (higher in the west and lowest in the Pyrenees region), not north to south.

Interesting

[Cernunnos]

5-10%.

[Cristiano viejo]

Between 5-15 percent I'd assume. Gedmatch is a better tool than 23andme and ancestrydna for such things I think.
Post some dna test examples about that.


How much did Islamic conquest affect Spain and Portugal in genetic terms? Is it real that modern Iberians -especially in the south- have a high MENA admixture?
Why are you interested in such innovative topic?

[xripkan]

I think it is around 12% in Portugal and adjacent parts of Spain like Galicia, Extremadura, etc. and decreases as you move east in Spain.

Interestingly, MENA input also increases as you move west in Sicily too, with a few exceptions.

I thought that as you move south to Andalusia MENA increases. I suppose that in western Sicily is bigger due to the Phoenician settlers.

[Cristiano viejo]

I thought that as you move south to Andalusia MENA increases. I suppose that in western Sicily is bigger due to the Phoenician settlers.

And why did you suppose that? if you knew something about Spain you would know current Andalusians "only" are living in Andalusia for the last 700 years in the bigger of the cases :rolleyes:

[Token]

The fact that 'MENA' peaks in Galicia makes me doubt if it is really from Moors as recent studies claim. Anyway, MENA-like components (not necessarily recent) peaks in the west at around 10%.

[Joso]

And why did you suppose that? if you knew something about Spain you would know current Andalusians "only" are living in Andalusia for the last 700 years in the bigger of the cases :rolleyes:

And Ferdinando EL Toro, for how long lived in Spain? i am his fan

[Cristiano viejo]

And Ferdinando EL Toro, for how long lived in Spain? i am his fan

twenty years and four months.

[xripkan]

And why did you suppose that? if you knew something about Spain you would know current Andalusians "only" are living in Andalusia for the last 700 years in the bigger of the cases :rolleyes:

Because I think that the Islamic conquest has affected in genetic terms Iberian pennisula. The southern part of Andalusia was reconquested by kingdom of Spain on 1492. So I was thinking that this part was more affected.

[Sikeliot]

The professional study on this had Andalusia, after Portugal/Galicia, as the next most North African area.

[Cristiano viejo]

Because I think that the Islamic conquest has affected in genetic terms Iberian pennisula. The southern part of Andalusia was reconquested by kingdom of Spain on 1492. So I was thinking that this part was more affected.

And did you think the ancestors of current Andalusians lived there in 1492?? :lol:

Worry better for the MENA input on Greeks and Albanians, man.

[xripkan]

The professional study on this had Andalusia, after Portugal/Galicia, as the next most North African area.

Do you have any link?

[Sikeliot]

Do you have any link?

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/12/250191

[Cristiano viejo]

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/12/250191

Great link, sounds realiable :rolleyes:


The Iberian Peninsula is linguistically diverse, has a complex demographic history, and is unique among European regions in having a centuries-long period of Muslim rule.

It seems that Italy, Greece and Balkans dont count as European regions :rolleyes:

[xripkan]

And did you think the ancestors of current Andalusians lived there in 1492?? :lol:

Worry better for the MENA input on Greeks and Albanians, man.

I don't worry about anything. I am just wondering and asking because I find the topic interesting. If something bothers you it is not obligatory to respond me.

[Cristiano viejo]

I don't worry about anything. I am just wondering and asking because I find the topic interesting. If something bothers you it is not obligatory to respond me.

There are 675654654 threads asking the same stupidity. Again you should worry and ask for your own. You will not see Iberians opening threads asking how big is the MENA input in Greeks.

[xripkan]

There are 675654654 threads asking the same stupidity. Again you should worry and ask for your own. You will not see Iberians opening threads asking how big is the MENA input in Greeks.

I would be glad to discuss with Iberians or anyone else about the possible admixtures in the greek population.

[Sikeliot]

I would be glad to discuss with Iberians or anyone else about the possible admixtures in the greek population.

Well there was a study discussing that too:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-01802-4

[Cristiano viejo]

I would be glad to discuss with Iberians or anyone else about the possible admixtures in the greek population.

Sure... that is why you decided to open a thread about Iberians instead Greeks :rolleyes:

[ÁGUIA]

There are areas of the Peninsula that never were or barely settle by moors. Galicia and Northern Portugal for example, yet the North African input is higher in these region than southern ones, which does not correlate with known historic factual occurrences. Unless there were internal migrations from South to North. Which again is unlikely as there are no records of that, and what people see people talk , so considering all of it it is most likely ancient.
Regardless the North African input is in us and there's nothing to be ashamed of. The way you command yourself is what define you independently of your ethnic background.

[xripkan]

Sure... that is why you decided to open a thread about Iberians instead Greeks :rolleyes:

This is not an argument I do not want to discuss about Greeks. I have also opened a thread about Romanian people. I want to discuss about many topics. If I want to ask something about Greek people I will open a thread. If you want to ask something about Greek people I repeat I will be glad to discuss with you without criticizing you because you asked.

[Cristiano viejo]

This is not an argument I do not want to discuss about Greeks. I have also opened a thread about Romanian people. I want to discuss about many topics. If I want to ask something about Greek people I will open a thread. If you want to ask something about Greek people I repeat I will be glad to discuss with you without criticizing you because you asked.

No, I dont want to ask something about Greeks because I am not interested in you and I dont understand what is your interest in Iberians beyond trolling :rolleyes:

[Teutonski]

I agree with Cristiano Viejo

[Joso]

twenty years and four months.

I see what you did there :D

[Sikeliot]

The North African input in Iberia is well documented and frankly I am surprised it is not higher than it is. There is nothing outlandish about 1/8 or so North African in western Iberia, which is the highest you will find it.

[Zuh]

And did you think the ancestors of current Andalusians lived there in 1492?? :lol:

Worry better for the MENA input on Greeks and Albanians, man.

Why Spaniards promoted or at least tried keeping Christian "european blood" in Spain while in their american colonies promoted "mixed heritage "? and their evil Casta system in order to determined how a person is worth.

[xripkan]

Well there was a study discussing that too:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-01802-4

It has to do with Slavic admixture to southern Balkan?