Post your Eurogenes K36 Mega Plot

[Coastal Elite]

Post your Eurogenes K36 mega plot

You can get it here if you post your k36 results: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14241-K36-PCA-Megabiplots

I'm Daco Celtic (red arrow) in the Swiss area

https://i.imgur.com/EKh13Nr.jpg

[Kaspias]

Around Bulgarian, S_Romania, SE_Romania and Bosniak. Clustered with Balkan group, closer to East Balkans.

https://image.ibb.co/myc5Eq/MrOqilgw.png

[Kelmendasi]

https://i.postimg.cc/BQLRX4rf/image-8.png

[Gründig]

These are all really cool. I always plot in western or south western Germany.

My plots are Alfred1 and Alfred2.

http://i.imgur.com/LKMRWpr.jpg

[Gründig]

Bump

[Rædwald]

https://i.postimg.cc/kXZsrRZZ/k36plotleprieur.png

Right below Scotland and England labels :rolleyes:

[Damião de Góis]

A strange placement for me (Gil Vicente):

http://oi67.tinypic.com/35lsys1.jpg

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

A strange placement for me (Gil Vicente):

http://oi67.tinypic.com/35lsys1.jpg

On the other plot he did I was placed near the "canariguanche" sample as well but I have no idea why a supposedly Guanche sample is plotting so northern, next to Italy Aosta (North-West Italy\Southwest Switzerland).

[Damião de Góis]

On the other plot he did I was placed near the "canariguanche" sample as well but I have no idea why a supposedly Guanche sample is plotting so northern, next to Italy Aosta (North-West Italy\Southwest Switzerland).

Is that a person or the reference sample of canarians?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Is that a person or the reference sample of canarians?

I have no idea but by the name he gave it I would assume it to be the reference for Guanches, but I am more inclined to believe that the individual is actually fully Iberian rather than a Guanche (which wouldn't plot among the Iberian cluster as a rule of thumb).

[Damião de Góis]

I have no idea but by the name he gave it I would assume it to be the reference for Guanches, but I am more inclined to believe that the individual is actually fully Iberian rather than a Guanche (which wouldn't plot among the Iberian cluster as a rule of thumb).

Hard to say. It would be interesting to have a canarian sample in Eurogenes k13/k15 for comparison. Dodecad have a Canarian sample composed of two people, and they plot in the iberian cluster. If you run your k12b they should be in your Oracle next to other spanish regions.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Hard to say. It would be interesting to have a canarian sample in Eurogenes k13/k15 for comparison. Dodecad have a Canarian sample composed of two people, and they plot in the iberian cluster. If you run your k12b they should be in your Oracle next to other spanish regions.

Canarian doesn't necessarily mean Guanche. Guanche people are North Africans native to the archipelago prior to the colonization by the Portuguese and the Spaniards. "Authentic" Guanches with the lowest Iberian genetic input are only to be found nowadays in certain islands. Other Canarians are in their majority Spanish descents.

[Vasconcelos]

You're just south shifted, nothing too wierd, it might be your high Italian (over 19%, I only had 13% for example). The K36 PCA isn't my favourite, I find K15 and K13 to be more reliable - although G25 is still probably the best and more versatile. On K36 my missus plots near South French, which is absolutely absurd

[Chaos One]

The plot helped me to know I'm brutally North Italian taking off all non-EU numbers (or Non-EU that does not matter). Always thought I would plot as Central Italian since I've some South Italian admix, but a bit more and I even would go away from NI Cluster:

https://i.imgur.com/3gbeYB1.png

[Ibericus]

On the other plot he did I was placed near the "canariguanche" sample as well but I have no idea why a supposedly Guanche sample is plotting so northern, next to Italy Aosta (North-West Italy\Southwest Switzerland).
No, that guy is a modern canarian and he is just an average canarian (about 82% Spanish + 18% guanche) he just has that nickname on another forum.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

https://i.postimg.cc/KvDxLdWf/GDKiw7wQ.png


I am Lusitano and my girlfriend is Lusitano_GF.

[Vasconcelos]

The plot helped me to know I'm brutally North Italian taking off all non-EU numbers (or Non-EU that does not matter). Always thought I would plot as Central Italian since I've some South Italian admix, but a bit more and I even would go away from NI Cluster:

https://i.imgur.com/3gbeYB1.png

Honestly I'd recommend K13 and K15 (and G25 if you don't bother paying for it), drawing conclusions from a 2D K36 PCA alone can be misleading

[Vid Flumina]

North Africans, Canarians, majority of Iberians, Latinos, Sicilians/Maltese and anyone with non-West Eurasian components will never be placed properly on a West Eurasian PCA, no matter the calculator.

[Vasconcelos]

North Africans, Canarians, majority of Iberians, Latinos, Sicilians/Maltese and anyone with non-West Eurasian components will never be placed properly on a West Eurasian PCA, no matter the calculator.

Very funny


As if any 2D plot was accurate, despite only displaying only 2 out of n dimensions even if these contain most of its variance and data. This (https://i.postimg.cc/QjvkgqQL/PCA-scree-plot.png) is from Global 25, which is a pretty well made PCA, if you display PC1 and PC2 there will always be a loss of information, blaming the very minor non-WE ancestry in some of these groups (particularly as they are mostly relevant at higher dimensions) as the reason they are "never placed properly" makes no sense, its resudial compared to the data loss by only showing 2 or even 3 dimensions. There will always be inaccuracies in PCA plots

[Vid Flumina]

Very funny


As if any 2D plot was accurate, despite only displaying only 2 out of n dimensions even if these contain most of its variance and data. This (https://i.postimg.cc/QjvkgqQL/PCA-scree-plot.png) is from Global 25, which is a pretty well made PCA, if you display PC1 and PC2 there will always be a loss of information, blaming the very minor non-WE ancestry in some of these groups (particularly as they are mostly relevant at higher dimensions) as the reason they are "never placed properly" makes no sense, its resudial compared to the data loss by only showing 2 or even 3 dimensions. There will always be inaccuracies in PCA plots

Residual? Just compare the position of Portuguese and North Africans in a West Eurasian PCA vs a global one:

http://i.imgur.com/BKkw99V.jpg

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15V4.png

By the way, North Italian reference in K15 is Bergamo which corresponds to Central-North-Italy cluster in the megaplot.
But I understand your concern with the loss of dimensions when 3% in African components is ignored by the PCA..

[Vasconcelos]

Uh, it's the same, they are below Spanish and west of North Italians. There is a reason why neither of the European groups you listed get removed form PCA plots in scientific papers despite them "never being placed properly on a West Eurasian PCA" lol

But hey, maybe one day they'll come to TA - such a good source of scientific information - and reference your posts as to why Iberians and South Italians shouldn't be placed on West Eurasian PCAs

[Vid Flumina]

Uh, it's the same, they are below Spanish and west of North Italians.

The same? This is where those North Italians you are west of in the megaplot cluster in a global PCA:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?252083-Veneto-Friuli-Venezia-Giulia-GEDmatch-results-(Including-a-German-speaker-from-the-Sette-Comuni)&p=5323852&viewfull=1#post5323852


There is a reason why neither of the European groups you listed get removed form PCA plots in scientific papers despite them "never being placed properly on a West Eurasian PCA" lol

But hey, maybe one day they'll come to TA - such a good source of scientific information - and reference your posts as to why Iberians and South Italians shouldn't be placed on West Eurasian PCAs

Because academics use Gedmatch components such as Northeast African. Keep coping

[Vasconcelos]

The same? This is where those North Italians you are west of in the megaplot cluster in a global PCA:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?252083-Veneto-Friuli-Venezia-Giulia-GEDmatch-results-(Including-a-German-speaker-from-the-Sette-Comuni)&p=5323852&viewfull=1#post5323852



Because academics use Gedmatch components such as Northeast African. Keep coping

Academics use Gedmatch all the time :lol: hilarious
You ItalicRoots guys are all the same


I'll keep trusting my mathematical and statistical knowledge until actual experts come along and change the status quo, rather than trusting some random tool from TA

[Bosniensis]

https://i.imgur.com/G6hdU3v.png

[Rgvgjhvv]

Confused

[Vid Flumina]

I'll keep trusting my mathematical and statistical knowledge until actual experts come along and change the status quo, rather than trusting some random tool from TA


In this forum only Ibericus understands how this stuff works, rest should refrain from commenting and just cope elsewhere.

[Vasconcelos]

You don't even know me, but only he should comment, why did you do it anyway? Don't bothwer answering Mr. ItalicRoots

[Aren]

In this forum only Ibericus understands how this stuff works, rest should refrain from commenting and just cope elsewhere.

You just posted Tolans lousy K15 "PCA" used with Paint as an example...

[Vid Flumina]

You don't even know me, but only he should comment, why did you do it anyway? Don't bothwer answering Mr. ItalicRoots

I read enough to know you are clueless and in no way interested in knowing, else you wouldn't repeatedly resort to ad hominem and thumbs down.

[Damião de Góis]

Academics use Gedmatch all the time :lol: hilarious
You ItalicRoots guys are all the same


I'll keep trusting my mathematical and statistical knowledge until actual experts come along and change the status quo, rather than trusting some random tool from TA

ItalicRoots? Ok now i get why he was so worried here:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?255689-Main-types-in-these-Italians-from-Basilicata/page4

[Vasconcelos]

ItalicRoots? Ok now i get why he was so worried here:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?255689-Main-types-in-these-Italians-from-Basilicata/page4

Even after years you can spot them from a mile away. No significant technical knowledge, resorting to stereotypes, insecure and constantly showing others as exotic. A waste of time. I'm done here

[celticdragongod]

82355

I am at the right edge of the set containing the labels for Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England.