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Pribislav

11-23-2018, 12:37 AM

Turan stronk????

Šerif Konjević https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Šerif_Konjević
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51WfKzFvf0L._SS500.jpg
https://www.balkania-info.net/wp-content/uploads/201/03/seraassa.jpg
http://24sata.info/thumbnail.php?file=news/2015/January/serif_konjevic_velika_298285821.jpg&size=article_large
http://www.balkanlife.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Serif-Konjevic-650x250.jpg

Halid Muslimović https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halid_Muslimović
http://tekstomanija.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Halid-Muslimovi%C4%87.jpg
https://www.espreso.rs/data/images/2017/08/14/15/247091_muslimovic-news1-dragana-udovicic_ls.jpg
https://opcija.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/halid-muslimovic-1024x772.jpg

Kivan

11-23-2018, 12:39 AM

Both look Dinarid + Alpine mix.

I don't know if it's my impression, but the second guy seems to have some Asian admixture.

indo-uralopean

11-23-2018, 01:09 AM

Kipchak Turks.

Bosniensis

11-23-2018, 06:11 AM

Turan + Balkan mix ... He is like Vulin, amalgamation of several different phenotypes.

Pribislav

11-23-2018, 06:25 AM

Turan + Balkan mix ... He is like Vulin, amalgamation of several different phenotypes.

Both are from Bosanska Krajina. Many Muslims families from Bosanska Krajina especially from Cazinska Krajina and Pounje have legends about Anatolian origin. In Pounje 46% Muslim families claimed Anatolian origin in 19th century.
I most of cases this is not true. They claim of Anatolian origin was bacause of status in society, Anatolian origin was much more prestigious than to be just local convertit/poturica. Still small number of Muslim families in western Bosnia probably indeed have Anatolian origin, of all that legends must be few which are true. I read on some Bosniak forum that in Ottoman time some Tatars settled in Cazinska Krajina. Girl which writed this said that she know some Muslims from Cazinska Krajina which are Asian influenced in physical appearance. Vladimir Dvorniković also noticed Asian influence among Cazinska Krajina Muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Dvorniković

Bosniensis

11-23-2018, 06:28 AM

Both are from Bosanska Krajina. Many Muslims families from Bosanska Krajina especially from Cazinska Krajina and Pounje have legends about Anatolian origin. In Pounje 46% Muslim families claimed Anatolian origin in 19th century.
I most of cases this is not true. They claim of Anatolian origin was bacause of status in society, Anatolian origin was much more prestigious than to be just local convertit/poturica. Still small number of Muslim families in western Bosnia probably indeed have Anatolian origin, of all that lagends must be few which are true. I read on some Bosniak forum that in Ottoman time some Tatars settled in Cazinska Krajina. Girl which writed this said that she know some Muslims from Cazinska Krajina which are Asian influenced in physical appearance. Vladimir Dvorniković also noticed Asian influence among Cazinska Krajina Muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Dvorniković

Anatolian origin is related to Greek and Armenian ancestry not Turkic.

Modern Turks are more related to Balkan and original Anatolian people than Turkic people.

So what is Anatolian origin when you have 20 milion Turkified Greeks in Anatolia?

Anatolian is not a personification for Turanid.

Tauromachos

11-23-2018, 06:30 AM

Dinarid Borreby

Pribislav

11-23-2018, 06:31 AM

Bosniensis

11-23-2018, 06:36 AM

Except Anatolians in Cazinska Krajina in Ottoman time probably arrived some Crimean Tatars.

That's not Anatolian ancestry, Tartars came from Crimea.

Have you been in Bihać/Cazin... can't find Turanid people here.

Pribislav

11-23-2018, 06:51 AM

That's not Anatolian ancestry, Tartars came from Crimea.

Have you been in Bihać/Cazin... can't find Turanid people here.

Post of one Bosniak women on forum.klix.ba: " Izgleda da su krajiski Turci bili "pravi." A puno su se izmnozili, jer ogroman broj krajiskih rodova potiče iz Anadolije, a neki su rodom Tatari...
Ali Krajisnici cak i kad su smedji ili "garavi" cesto imaju prave "azijatske" crte lica.
Poznam Krajisku koja izgleda kod da je iz Uzbekistana. Ko je ne'zna ne bi mi vjerov'o.
Al' brat joj je puno svijetliji. K'o bosanski Marat Safin. Ima i on malko kose okice....
Kad je bio djete u posjeti Krajini, moj mali bi vazda pit'o: "Sto Mimim dido izgleda k'o Kinez?", pa "Sto ona nane lici na Kinezicu?"...

Look here original, this zlata said https://forum.klix.ba/porijeklo-porodica-i-prezimena-t48461s800.html#p8134282

Bosniensis

11-23-2018, 06:57 AM

Post of one Bosniak women on forum.klix.ba: " Izgleda da su krajiski Turci bili "pravi." A puno su se izmnozili, jer ogroman broj krajiskih rodova potiče iz Anadolije, a neki su rodom Tatari...
Ali Krajisnici cak i kad su smedji ili "garavi" cesto imaju prave "azijatske" crte lica.
Poznam Krajisku koja izgleda kod da je iz Uzbekistana. Ko je ne'zna ne bi mi vjerov'o.
Al' brat joj je puno svijetliji. K'o bosanski Marat Safin. Ima i on malko kose okice....
Kad je bio djete u posjeti Krajini, moj mali bi vazda pit'o: "Sto Mimim dido izgleda k'o Kinez?", pa "Sto ona nane lici na Kinezicu?"...

Look here original, this zlata said https://forum.klix.ba/porijeklo-porodica-i-prezimena-t48461s800.html#p8134282

DNA results need to confirm those claims, Bosnians don't know the difference between Ottomans, Tartars, Anatolians etc... it's all same to them so we need to be careful.

Marmara

11-23-2018, 07:03 AM

They look Slavic to me.

Mingle

11-23-2018, 07:22 AM

Post of one Bosniak women on forum.klix.ba: " Izgleda da su krajiski Turci bili "pravi." A puno su se izmnozili, jer ogroman broj krajiskih rodova potiče iz Anadolije, a neki su rodom Tatari...
Ali Krajisnici cak i kad su smedji ili "garavi" cesto imaju prave "azijatske" crte lica.
Poznam Krajisku koja izgleda kod da je iz Uzbekistana. Ko je ne'zna ne bi mi vjerov'o.
Al' brat joj je puno svijetliji. K'o bosanski Marat Safin. Ima i on malko kose okice....
Kad je bio djete u posjeti Krajini, moj mali bi vazda pit'o: "Sto Mimim dido izgleda k'o Kinez?", pa "Sto ona nane lici na Kinezicu?"...

Look here original, this zlata said https://forum.klix.ba/porijeklo-porodica-i-prezimena-t48461s800.html#p8134282

Its not surprising there are some East Asian-influenced Bosniaks. If Serbia can produce Milan Stanković and Jelena Janković, then its not unexpected for B&H to do the same. Its probably not only from Ottoman Turks, but also Avars. In Croatia, two islands have a decent chunk of Q Y-DNA. Hvar has it at 14% and Korčula at 6%. Supposedly their Q arrived with Jewish traders and the Jews might have gotten it from Khazars.

Pribislav

11-23-2018, 07:34 AM

Its not surprising there are some East Asian-influenced Bosniaks. If Serbia can produce Milan Stanković and Jelena Janković, then its not unexpected for B&H to do the same. Its probably not only from Ottoman Turks, but also Avars. In Croatia, two islands have a decent chunk of Q Y-DNA. Hvar has it at 14% and Korčula at 6%. Supposedly their Q arrived with Jewish traders and the Jews might have gotten it from Khazars.

Yougoslavians are 0,5 - 1% Mongoloids autosomally

https://oi1080.photobucket.com/albums/j338/TCGiresun/asian_zpsa1662785.jpg

It seems that 0,5 - 1% is enough to somethimes (very rare) produce Mongoloid influence in physical appearance.

Bulgarians, Romanians and eastern Hungarians are 1 - 2,5% Mongoloids autosomally and among them Mongoloid input could be found easier than among Yugoslavians.

Q on the Hvar and Korčula is most likely from Avars. Jews never lived on Dalmatian islands.

Vlatko Vukovic

11-23-2018, 07:50 AM

I don't see Turan in them, even if they had some Turkic ancestry. Dinarid and Alpine imho

Mingle

11-23-2018, 07:53 AM

Yougoslavians are 0,5 - 1% Mongoloids autosomally

https://oi1080.photobucket.com/albums/j338/TCGiresun/asian_zpsa1662785.jpg

It seems that 0,5 - 1% is enough to somethimes (very rare) produce Mongoloid influence in physical appearance.

Bulgarians, Romanians and eastern Hungarians are 1 - 2,5% Mongoloids autosomally and among them Mongoloid input could be found easier than among Yugoslavians.

Yes, which is why we shouldn't jump to conclusions about these people having recent Ottoman ancestry.

Q on the Hvar and Korčula is most likely from Avars. Jews never lived on Dalmatian islands.

Jana said it was the Levantine subclade. Also, Dalmatia was never conquered by the Avars. I think Jewish traders went to every part of Europe.

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Vlatko Vukovic

11-23-2018, 07:56 AM

Anatolian origin is related to Greek and Armenian ancestry not Turkic.

Modern Turks are more related to Balkan and original Anatolian people than Turkic people.

So what is Anatolian origin when you have 20 milion Turkified Greeks in Anatolia?

Anatolian is not a personification for Turanid.

Those "Anatolians" (proably) had great siberian/east asian admixture from the Oghuz Turks, so i don't think modern Turkish Anatolians (at least most of them) are equivalent to Anatolians you mean. Those Anadolian women, which you claim as Greek, feels nothing about this ancient civilisation, and today would mix with pleasure with some handsome Oghuz alpha male.

Pribislav

11-23-2018, 08:02 AM

Yes, which is why we shouldn't jump to conclusions about these people having recent Ottoman ancestry.

Jana said it was the Levantine subclade. Also, Dalmatia was never conquered by the Avars. I think Jewish traders went to every part of Europe.

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Very small mongoloid input among Yugoslavians is from Huns, Avars, Bulgars, Magyars, Cumans, Pechenegs... not from Ottomans.

There are theories that proto-Croatians were Avars and Oghurs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_hypotheses_of_the_Croats#Avar_theory
Turkish historian Osman Karatay claim Oghur origin of early Croatians.

Few Avars settled in northern Dalmatia. Name of town Obrovac came from Avars, because second name for Avars was Obri https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obrtovac,_Croatia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obrovac,_Croatia)

According to some Croatian historians some Avars setlled to Lika.

Proto-Croatians were not Slavs. Authors from early middle age clearly said this.

Pribislav

11-23-2018, 08:08 AM

On Hvar and Korčula exist Asiatic mitochondrial DNA. Jewish merchants could not brought Asiatic maternal lines on the islands.

Ryuk

11-23-2018, 08:19 AM

Ryuk

11-23-2018, 08:24 AM

In addition,the ENA component in Yugoslavia is at the level of noise.PIE or Slavic migrations may have carried the ENA component at this level with of ANE ancestry.

Pribislav

11-23-2018, 08:26 AM

What is the subclade of hvar island y DNA Q.If it is Q1b then it has nothing to do with Siberia,America and the Far East.Because those regions are all belong to Q1a.Q1b found primary European,south asian and Middle Eastern.

I'm not sure here is Q on Hvar and Korčula mentioned https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Croats

Interesting text https://www.total-croatia-news.com/hvar-news/7602-are-people-from-hvar-descended-from-china-the-dna-evidence

Blondie

11-23-2018, 08:55 AM

Very small mongoloid input among Yugoslavians is from Huns, Avars, Bulgars, Magyars, Cumans, Pechenegs... not from Ottomans.

There are theories that proto-Croatians were Avars and Oghurs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_hypotheses_of_the_Croats#Avar_theory
Turkish historian Osman Karatay claim Oghur origin of early Croatians.

Few Avars settled in northern Dalmatia. Name of town Obrovac came from Avars, because second name for Avars was Obri https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obrtovac,_Croatia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obrovac,_Croatia)

According to some Croatian historians some Avars setlled to Lika.

Proto-Croatians were not Slavs. Authors from early middle age clearly said this.

That's true, the croatian elite was avar. By the way the haplogroup Q is mongol, turk and hun marker.

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-Q.gif

Blondie

11-23-2018, 09:03 AM

After the fall of Attila's empire some hun warrior migrated to North in Scandinavia because significant part of hun tribes were germanic.

The swiss hun population:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anniviers

Pribislav

11-23-2018, 09:04 AM

That's true, the croatian elite was avar. By the way the haplogroup Q is mongol, turk and hun marker.

Names of Croatian ruling family from Pannonia in 7th century were Kluk, Lovel, Kosen, Muhlo, Tuga and Vuga (Buga). This names have nothing to do with Slavs.

Tittle of this thread on Croatian forum is "Hrvatski narod stvorili su Turci" and that means "Croatian nation was created by Turks" www.forum.hr/showthread.php?t=73890
It refers on Avars and Oghurs.

On this map Croatians and Bulgarians are marked as slavized people

http://www.imninalu.net/Myths_files/BalkanSlavs.jpg

Blondie

11-23-2018, 09:16 AM

Avars were turkicized mongols, they migrated from Inner Mongolia:
https://is.muni.cz/el/1431/podzim2004/Z0097/zajimave_texty.pdf
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/09/13/415760.full.pdf

The avar race type was mongoloid not turkic turanid:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3729/10404658865_f05445d91f_o.jpg

http://users.atw.hu/nyerscsaba/ktaj2008/picture-0008.jpg

http://homes.nhmus.hu/~kustar/kepek/kuag-keszrek-11.jpg

Carpatz

11-23-2018, 09:40 AM

Avars were turkicized mongols, they migrated from Inner Mongolia:
https://is.muni.cz/el/1431/podzim2004/Z0097/zajimave_texty.pdf
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/09/13/415760.full.pdf

The avar race type was mongoloid not turkic turanid:

Turanid phenotypes are a result of mixing between Caucasians and Mongoloids. Turanid ≠ Turkics. The Yakuts of Siberia are the closest to proto-Turkics, and they are very much a Mongoloid people with minimal Caucasian admixture.

Marmara

11-23-2018, 01:43 PM

Mingle

11-23-2018, 02:29 PM

Turanid phenotypes are a result of mixing between Caucasians and Mongoloids. Turanid ≠ Turkics. The Yakuts of Siberia are the closest to proto-Turkics, and they are very much a Mongoloid people with minimal Caucasian admixture.The Turks genetically closest to Proto-Turks would be Altai Turks. Yakuts are Turkified Evenks.

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Mingle

11-23-2018, 02:35 PM

Avars were turkicized mongols, they migrated from Inner Mongolia:
https://is.muni.cz/el/1431/podzim2004/Z0097/zajimave_texty.pdf
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/09/13/415760.full.pdf

The avar race type was mongoloid not turkic turanid:

Most Kazakhs and Altai Turks look Mongoloid not Turanid. Also, most Mongolic people have significant West Eurasian ancestry (5-15% IIRC).

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Blondie

11-23-2018, 02:43 PM

Turanid phenotypes are a result of mixing between Caucasians and Mongoloids. Turanid ≠ Turkics. The Yakuts of Siberia are the closest to proto-Turkics, and they are very much a Mongoloid people with minimal Caucasian admixture.

What? :D Yakuts have pure uralic genetic, they are turkicized samoyeds:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_N-M231

The turkic haplogroup is Q not N :D

Blondie

11-23-2018, 02:48 PM

Most Kazakhs and Altai Turks look Mongoloid not Turanid. Also, most Mongolic people have significant West Eurasian ancestry (5-15% IIRC).

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Most Kazakhs are turanids, eastern kazakhs are turkicized mongols. Turkic genetic map:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Haplogroup_Q_%28Y-DNA%29.PNG

The purest turkic nation is Turkmenistan.

Blondie

11-23-2018, 02:53 PM

Q1a haplogroup is mongolian, the Q1b is turkic:

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml

Probably the haplogroup Q was the proto-altaic marker.

Blondie

11-23-2018, 03:05 PM

Ryuk

11-23-2018, 03:34 PM

Another interesting fact, the european Q marker ain't turkic but mongol haplogroup branch.

Q1a (L472, MEH2): Koryaks of eastern Siberia
Q1a1a1: Mongols
Q1a1b1: Central and Eastern Europe, transylvanian székelys, swiss anniviers have 5-6% mongol haplogroup from the huns
Q1a2a1a1: native americans, who are closer to mongols than to turks
Q1a2a1c: Mongolia, Central Asia (mongol admixture)
Q1a2b1: 5-6% in Scandinavia, probably the huns migrated there with their germanic allies

Q1b: Tatars and central asian turks

The American Indian has no relation to the Mongols.The group closest to them is Eskimos,then klet.

The NA's come from a line that split 30,000 years ago from other ENA's called Paleo-Amerind(ANE-ENA mix).Mongols,Tungus,chukchis,yukagir and na-dene natives come from another line called neo mongoloid.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?264499-ANE-was-an-early-hapa-and-no-modern-aAmerindian-relatives-in-Eurasia

Main paleo amerind Y DNA is q1a.
Main neo-mongoloid Y DNA is C3

Also,q1b has nothing with siberian and ENA lineage.İt was found mainly south asian,europe,Middle east not found Siberian,Central Asus,americas.Q1a-Q1b split happened probably before ANE-ENA mix.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274458422_Clarification_of_Y-DNA_Haplogroup_Q1b_Phylogenetic_Structure_Based_on _Y-Chromosome_Full_Sequencing

Ryuk

11-23-2018, 04:14 PM

Q1a haplogroup is mongolian, the Q1b is turkic:

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml

Probably the haplogroup Q was the proto-altaic marker.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?268398-The-Newest-phylogeny-of-Y-DNA-Q&p=5609489#post5609489

Please read this.

indo-uralopean

11-23-2018, 04:16 PM

Mongols are C and only C. If they have Q or R1b it's from assimilated Turks.

Wrong

11-23-2018, 04:16 PM

Pamirid

Blondie

11-23-2018, 05:00 PM

Mongols are C and only C. If they have Q or R1b it's from assimilated Turks.

r1b is indo-european marker not turkic, and Q is mongol too, not just turkic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_Q-M242
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml

Your Thumbs Up/Down, Given: 53 like, 79 dislike lol what a troll profile :D

Mingle

11-23-2018, 09:51 PM

Most Kazakhs are turanids, eastern kazakhs are turkicized mongols. Turkic genetic map:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Haplogroup_Q_%28Y-DNA%29.PNG

The purest turkic nation is Turkmenistan.

No, Kazakhs are mostly Mongoloids even though they have a lot of West Eurasian DNA. Turanids are mostly found in Transoxiana.

When I say purest, I mean autosomally not chromosomally (Y-DNA). According to your map, Y-DNA is more common in the Altai region (where it peaks) than in Turkmenistan.

Mingle

11-23-2018, 09:58 PM

Names of Croatian ruling family from Pannonia in 7th century were Kluk, Lovel, Kosen, Muhlo, Tuga and Vuga (Buga). This names have nothing to do with Slavs.

Tittle of this thread on Croatian forum is "Hrvatski narod stvorili su Turci" and that means "Croatian nation was created by Turks" www.forum.hr/showthread.php?t=73890
It refers on Avars and Oghurs.

On this map Croatians and Bulgarians are marked as slavized people

http://www.imninalu.net/Myths_files/BalkanSlavs.jpg

Croat Islanders seem to have somewhat distinctive genetics in general. It'd be hard to explain this with Avars (who never conquered Dalmatia).

The Krk Island of Croatia has Y-DNA H at 33% and I at only 11%: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/230628507_Maternal_Genetic_Legacy_of_the_Eastern_A driatic_Island_of_Krk_-_An_Interplay_of_Evolutionary_Forces_and_Island's_ Historical_Events_in_Shaping_the_Genetic_Structure _of_Contemporary_Island_Population

Cres Island has U as the most common Y-DNA at 29% with H at 28%: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/41147118_Mitochondrial_DNA_heritage_of_Cres_Island ers--example_of_Croatian_genetic_outliers

I found these stuff from Jana's thread on Croat Islander genetic diversity.

Here are two more links: https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201623 | https://www.nature.com/articles/5201589

Pribislav

11-23-2018, 10:42 PM

Croat Islanders seem to have somewhat distinctive genetics in general. It'd be hard to explain this with Avars (who never conquered Dalmatia).

The Krk Island of Croatia has Y-DNA H at 33% and I at only 11%: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/230628507_Maternal_Genetic_Legacy_of_the_Eastern_A driatic_Island_of_Krk_-_An_Interplay_of_Evolutionary_Forces_and_Island's_ Historical_Events_in_Shaping_the_Genetic_Structure _of_Contemporary_Island_Population

Cres Island has U as the most common Y-DNA at 29% with H at 28%: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/41147118_Mitochondrial_DNA_heritage_of_Cres_Island ers--example_of_Croatian_genetic_outliers

I found these stuff from Jana's thread on Croat Islander genetic diversity.

Here are two more links: https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201623 | https://www.nature.com/articles/5201589

Avars setlled Dalmatian hinterland, and participated in ethno-genesis of Croatians.

When Ottomans conquered northern part of Dalmatian (hinterland) many Croatians escaped on islands.
Islands were wery rare populated before Ottomans. Present day islanders are mostly refugees from Dalmatian hinterland, Bosnia and Herzegovina in Ottoman period. Jana's maternal ancestors settled to Island Zlarin from Čapljina in Herzegovina in Ottoman period
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zlarin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Čapljina
Further origin of Jana's ancestors (before Herzegovina) is probably Bulgaria, because male line of her mother has a match in Bulgaria in y dna.
Other Croatian user Dalmatinac is from island Brač I think. Hes said that his ancestors came to Brač from Herzegovina in Ottoman period, as Jana's ancestors.
Among Serbs, Croatians and Bosniaks almost nobody can not advoid Herzegovinian origin, further or closer.

Anthropologistc discovered near Benkovac skeleton with Asiatic carecteristics long toime ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benkovac

Dick

11-23-2018, 11:04 PM

Croat Islanders seem to have somewhat distinctive genetics in general. It'd be hard to explain this with Avars (who never conquered Dalmatia).

They fled to the islands during Slavic invasions which was the reason why Slav tribes migrated southwards in the first place, to genocide the Avars in exchange for land and fortune from Byzantium. The Serb archon was most likely a brother or son or Dervan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dervan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unknown_Archon

According to some historians and Emperor Constantine VII, Dervan was brother of the Unknown Archon, but some historians also think that Dervan may be his father, which is less likely. According to Serbian academic Tibor Živković, the migration could take place between 629 and 632, before Dervan joined Samo.[1][2]

He is mentioned by Fredegar in his Latin chronicle as dux gente Surbiorum que ex genere Sclavinorum:[3] "ruler of the people of the Surbi (Sorb autonym: Serby, Serb autonym: Srbi) from the nation of the Sclavenians

Blondie

11-23-2018, 11:16 PM

No, Kazakhs are mostly Mongoloids even though they have a lot of West Eurasian DNA. Turanids are mostly found in Transoxiana.

When I say purest, I mean autosomally not chromosomally (Y-DNA). According to your map, Y-DNA is more common in the Altai region (where it peaks) than in Turkmenistan.

No, kazakhs are turanids not mongoloids:
http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/Turanid.html
The mongoloid tungid type is only in east Kazakhstan:
http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/Tungid.html

The kazakh genetic is 70% east asian, 30% european:
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/kazakhs.html

This is a mixed population not pure mongoloid :)

Mingle

11-23-2018, 11:17 PM

Whete do you guys think all the H and U on those specific islands comes from?

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Mingle

11-23-2018, 11:19 PM

This is a mixed population not pure mongoloid :)

You don't need to be pure East Eurasian to look Mongoloid. Mongols are over 10% West Eurasian on average. I never denied Kazakhs were mixed.

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Blondie

11-23-2018, 11:46 PM

You don't need to be pure East Eurasian to look Mongoloid. Mongols are over 10% West Eurasian on average. I never denied Kazakhs were mixed.

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But the european-asian mixed type is turanid, not mongoloid.

Insuperable

11-23-2018, 11:52 PM

Whete do you guys think all the H and U on those specific islands comes from?

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It is mt-dna not y-dna.

Thambi

11-24-2018, 12:05 AM

But the european-asian mixed type is turanid, not mongoloid.

no ethnic kazakhs are mostly aralid with many that are tungid shifted along with few turanids.

aralid is more like an intermediate between turanid(50% mongoloid) and tungid(100% mongoloid). which makes sense according to their admixture as well that they are 3/4 mongoloid with decent caucasoid influence.

Uzbeks however are turanid. most of them look half mongoloid half caucasoid, but kazakhs and kyrgyz look overwhelmingly mongoloid.