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Iloko
11-25-2018, 06:21 PM
Mine:

https://i.imgur.com/LWkV1FW.jpg

Impaler
11-25-2018, 06:24 PM
This test is a big joke! Haha

Iloko
11-25-2018, 06:28 PM
This test is a big joke! Haha
Actually the results seem to fit the history of my region very well, nothing strange about it lol

arkas
11-25-2018, 09:00 PM
Actually the results seem to fit the history of my region very well, nothing strange about it lol

Do most people in your region have Chinese ancestry?

Cool results btw :)

Iloko
11-25-2018, 09:13 PM
Do most people in your region have Chinese ancestry?

Cool results btw :)
I would think that recent actual Chinese ancestry and admixture will be more concentrated in the urban areas like Manila. My mom scores like 18% Chinese on 23andme and her ancestry is Tagalog from the more urban regions of P.I. closer to Manila, while my dad is Ilocano with this region being way more provincial rather than urban hence his nearly zero .1% Chinese score on 23andme despite Ilocos being geographically closer to China on a map in fact lol.

The 74.4% 'South China' I score on LivingDNA is not actual recent Chinese ancestry but more due to genetic similarity, since Austronesians migrated out of Taiwan historically. Much of Pinoys' genetics is genetically close to South Chinese but there's also been some evolution and admix events involved with South Asians, Negritos, and Caucasian as well which have impacted the Filipinos' phenotype and genetic makeup overall.

But I think many Pinoys around the urban regions have a little recent Fujian or Hong Kong admixture, maybe somewhere between 5-20% depending on the individual if I had to guess.

Zuh
11-25-2018, 09:23 PM
Are they any 30-50? European Iberian Filipinos? What percentage of Manila they make?

Iloko
11-25-2018, 09:37 PM
Are they any 30-50? European Iberian Filipinos? What percentage of Manila they make?
To be honest I hardly see any actual Spanish/Iberian or Latin American people in Manila. I always seem to see many White Anglo Americans, Australians, Europeans/Brits/Germans, and Middle Easterners, many of whom either live or are vacationing here.. There's also many mestizo families of this type here as well.

I can usually tell when a Pinoy has Spanish heritage, and it's either they've got a long history dating back to colonial occupation, or it's they've got recent Iberian blood. But based on my personal observations 50/50 Iberian+Pinoyindio mixes are far less common than Anglo or NW-Euro ones these days, though you may still see them around.

Like I don't see Hispanic looking people around my area too much tbh. I believe I actually see more Indian/South-Asian people here instead lol

Zuh
11-25-2018, 09:39 PM
To be honest I hardly see any actual Spanish/Iberian or Latin American people in Manila. I always seem to see many White Anglo Americans, Australians, Europeans/Brits/Germans, and Middle Easterners, many of whom either live or are vacationing here.. There's also many mestizo families of this type here as well.

I can usually tell when a Pinoy has Spanish heritage, and it's either they've got a long history dating back to colonial occupation, or it's they've got recent Iberian blood. But based on my personal observations 50/50 Iberian+Pinoyindio mixes are far less common than Anglo or NW-Euro ones these days, though you may still see them around.

Like I don't see Hispanic looking people around my area too much tbh. I believe I actually see more Indian/South-Asian people here instead lol

Interesting .. Thanks for that very detailed information .

arkas
11-26-2018, 02:16 AM
I would think that recent actual Chinese ancestry and admixture will be more concentrated in the urban areas like Manila. My mom scores like 18% Chinese on 23andme and her ancestry is Tagalog from the more urban regions of P.I. closer to Manila, while my dad is Ilocano with this region being way more provincial rather than urban hence his nearly zero .1% Chinese score on 23andme despite Ilocos being geographically closer to China on a map in fact lol.

The 74.4% 'South China' I score on LivingDNA is not actual recent Chinese ancestry but more due to genetic similarity, since Austronesians migrated out of Taiwan historically. Much of Pinoys' genetics is genetically close to South Chinese but there's also been some evolution and admix events involved with South Asians, Negritos, and Caucasian as well which have impacted the Filipinos' phenotype and genetic makeup overall.

But I think many Pinoys around the urban regions have a little recent Fujian or Hong Kong admixture, maybe somewhere between 5-20% depending on the individual if I had to guess.

Very interesting, I have a friend who is Chinese Filipino, born in the Phillipines but grew up in Australia, although he says he is full Chinese and I think he has quite recent Chinese lineage.

Do you know what region of China most Chinese in the Phillipines come from?

Iloko
11-26-2018, 02:26 AM
Very interesting, I have a friend who is Chinese Filipino, born in the Phillipines but grew up in Australia, although he says he is full Chinese and I think he has quite recent Chinese lineage.

Do you know what region of China most Chinese in the Phillipines come from?
The Chinese in Phils are mostly Fujian I believe. Though I read online about Hong Kongers having been the ones to assimilate more readily into the population..like intermarrying with the natives and leaving behind their identities and changing their names etc. While the Fujians were more the ones to have kept and held on to their Chinese identity rather than fully assimilating like the Hong Kongers.

I read that a lot of Chinese are invading the Phils these days, though not really too sure which part of China they're flooding in from lol:


Chinese ‘invasion’ triggers property surge in Manila

IN Manila’s main financial district and its fringes, signs of the new inhabitants are everywhere: the restaurants serving steaming Chinese hotpots and dumplings, the Mandarin broadcasts at the Mall of Asia, and the soaring property prices.

An estimated 100,000 migrants, mostly Chinese, have flooded into pockets of the Philippines capital since September 2016, and the deluge is rippling through the city’s real-estate market in ways that are unique among the world’s urban centers. While Chinese investors have been snapping up big swathes of high-end housing in Hong Kong, London and New York for years to move their money offshore, this new rush is motivated by something different: Manila’s booming gaming industry.

More than 50 offshore gambling companies that cater to overseas Chinese punters have received permits to operate in the city since President Duterte’s administration began awarding licenses 19 months ago. While bets are placed remotely, the operators need Chinese speakers in Manila to handle everything from marketing and customer queries to payment processing for overseas clients.

The resulting migration, while only a fraction of the metropolitan area’s 12.9 million population, is propelling home prices to record levels in neighborhoods favored by Chinese workers. It’s reinvigorating Manila’s commercial property market as owners convert offices and shops into gaming centers with card tables and webcams. And it’s boosting the bottom lines of local developers, including Ayala Land Inc. and SM Prime Holdings Inc.

While no official numbers are publicly available showing the number of Chinese arrivals in Manila, people familiar with the matter said that offshore gaming operators in the Philippines employ about 200,000 workers, predominantly Chinese, and more than half of them have arrived in the capital region since late 2016. The Bureau of Immigration said it couldn’t immediately provide the data.

The influx promises to boost the nation’s economy and is helping to strengthen ties with China—a priority for Duterte. Yet, it leaves the property market vulnerable in the event of an abrupt shift in online gaming or immigration policies from either country.

The perils of relying too heavily on Chinese buyers became painfully obvious last year in the Malaysian enclave of Johor Bahru, which has been grappling with a glut of vacant homes after China imposed controls on investments in overseas property and demand abruptly dried up.

“Concentration risk could be a potential concern,” said Emilio Neri, an economist at the Bank of the Philippine Islands in Manila.

Others see only opportunities. Qiang Huang, a realtor based in the Chinese city of Hefei, expects Manila home prices to get a boost from the steady stream of Chinese workers catering not only to offshore gaming customers, but also mainland clients who frequent brick-and-mortar casinos.

A high-rolling gamer himself, Huang first visited the area last November to place bets at Bloomberry Resorts Corp.’s Solaire casino and realized that Manila could scratch more than his gambling itch. He’s planning to build a 500-square-meter showroom in the city to lure Chinese real-estate investors and will soon sign contracts to market apartments at two projects.

“I chose an area with a booming gambling business, as properties there have the largest potential to appreciate,” Huang said, adding that he has run into Chinese tourists who have formed “property-shopping” groups.

Among the biggest beneficiaries of this appetite have been condo units near Manila’s Makati district, in close proximity to the gaming sites where mainland workers are employed. Patches of San Antonio Village, about one kilometer from Makati’s financial hub, now have restaurants, stores, money changers and payment centers catering to Chinese customers sharing space with local stores.

In the Bay Area adjacent to Makati, home prices surged by a record 27 percent in the last three months of 2017, according to data from Santos Knight Frank Inc., dwarfing the 6-percent overall gain in residential prices in the metropolitan Manila area. Condo sales in the capital region rose to an all-time high of 52,600 units in 2017.

Appetite from gaming operators is also supporting the commercial market as demand from traditional outsourcing companies wanes. The share of take-up of new office space by outsourcing companies decreased by a third to 46 percent in 2017, while that of offshore gaming operators tripled to 30 percent, said David Leechiu, CEO at Leechiu Property Consultants, which has partnered with CBRE Group Inc. in the Philippines.

“If not for offshore gaming operators, the property market would have crashed last year,” Leechiu said.

A typical online gaming operation consists of dealing studios and a call center-like facility that serves offshore customers. A studio that Bloomberg News recently toured in Makati City spanned roughly 400 square meters, with tables for games such as baccarat, Dragon Tiger and Fantan. Dealers—mostly young Filipino women wearing snug halter-neck dresses—staffed each table.

Eight kilometers away, in another part of the city, is the main customer-service center. The 6,000-square-meter space is divided into dozens of rooms with rows of desks that seat more than 5,000 employees. A cafeteria serves free meals around the clock, catering to the army of mostly mainland workers and some Taiwanese and Malaysian staff. Other amenities include a hotpot restaurant and a convenience store stocking Chinese snacks and other products.

Fast Facts on Philippine Offshore Gaming Operators Also known as POGOs Such operations were limited to three provinces north of Manila before the September 2016 decision to expand them to the capital region 55 permits for POGOs have been awarded since then, 14 of those are engaged in sports betting. Revenue from POGOs quintupled to P3.57 billion ($70 million) in 2017 from a year earlier, according to the Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corp.

Record earnings

Chinese demand is helping stoke record earnings at some builders. At SM Prime, the nation’s largest property developer, Chinese buyers accounted for almost 30 percent of residential reservation sales in the first quarter. The share of mainland nationals who bought homes from Ayala Land jumped to almost half of all sales to foreign buyers last year from 30 percent in 2016. Offshore gaming companies occupy 60 percent of DoubleDragon Properties Corp.’s completed office space in the Bay Area and they’re paying rents one-third higher than other tenants, said Chief Executive Officer Injap Sia.

Developers aren’t betting that boom times will last forever. Ayala Land’s President Bobby Dy said the builder will limit offshore gaming leases to 10 percent of its office portfolio. DoubleDragon plans to cap total exposure to such tenants to 30 percent once all its office towers are completed. The firm requires a one-year deposit from offshore gaming operators and post-dated checks for the duration of the five-year contract.

Kitt Lapeņa, 34, a Makati resident for most of his life, has seen waves of foreign residents come and go before, from Japan and Korea, but never on the scale of the recent Chinese influx. While he welcomes the economic boost, he worries about the motivations of the new arrivals.

“In a way, it’s good for business,” Lapeņa said. “I hope they become an asset to the community and not just out to make money.”

Source: https://businessmirror.com.ph/chinese-invasion-trigger-property-surge-in-manila/

arkas
11-26-2018, 02:56 AM
The Chinese in Phils are mostly Fujian I believe. Though I read online about Hong Kongers having been the ones to assimilate more readily into the population..like intermarrying with the natives and leaving behind their identities and changing their names etc. While the Fujians were more the ones to have kept and held on to their Chinese identity rather than fully assimilating like the Hong Kongers.

I read that a lot of Chinese are invading the Phils these days, though not really too sure which part of China they're flooding in from lol:

Yeah I have heard about that, I think it's the same in many SE Asian countries. I heard Chinese often have their own separate Chinese schools that they send their children to and somewhat self-segregate themselves, is it common for Chinese people to speak the local language there?

Iloko
11-26-2018, 03:08 AM
Yeah I have heard about that, I think it's the same in many SE Asian countries. I heard Chinese often have their own separate Chinese schools that they send their children to and somewhat self-segregate themselves, is it common for Chinese people to speak the local language there?
Yes very common. My sister-in-law's sister's husband is a pure-blood Chinese coming from a rich family here, and he speaks Tagalog fluently like a native, though this is a case of intermarriage, but I'm sure many of the Fujian here are even tri-lingual in Fujian+Tagalog+English. I've even seen a lot of Indians here speaking Tagalog as well.

And yea there are some Chinese schools here in Manila. Btw also lots of Korean immigrants here these days since their invasion back in 2006, though they usually keep to themselves most of the time all the whilst enjoying and appreciating the culture...though I think the Chinese are much more open to intermarrying and mixing. I heard the Koreans think of Philippines as the summer capital of Asia lol. I see tons of Koreans and Chinese here in my city of Makati; I'm even usually good at telling them apart from each other just by appearance lol.