Why is it so rare to see blonde haired men in America?

[Borealis]

Either I'm not paying attention or I've seen very few in the last few years. Perhaps there's just not a lot of true blondes here.

[RenaRyuguu]

Prob depends which state you live kinda like Europe is depending on what country you live in. I'd imagine Utah has many blonde men as the population there is mostly of English and German descent. When I lived in England most of the English men I encountered were fair and blonde

[Valwar]

Blond hair is quite rare anywhere except for Northern Europe and some Germanic continental European countries (Netherlands, Germany etc.). The U.S is mostly a mix of Germans, Brits, West Africans and Native American/Southern European mixes, and blond hair is just not very common in those ethnicities. It's not too uncommon in Germans and Brits, but as you probably know, the genes associated with blond hair are recessive and most Germans and Brits in the U.S are mixed with other European ethnicities where blond hair is less common, thus, brown and black are even more common.

You specify men as well, men actually have slightly darker pigmentation than women on average, but the great disparity is by far mostly due to women dyeing their hair which is not as common among males.

[Jägerstaffel]

Either I'm not paying attention or I've seen very few in the last few years. Perhaps there's just not a lot of true blondes here.

I wouldn't say blond haired men are extremely rare in the US but various shades of brown are much more common.

[Smeagol]

Because blonde is the feminine spelling while blond is the masculine.

Anyway, it's not that rare unless you're from New York or something.

[MysteriousWays]

Nothing that rare but less common than in countries like Sweden or Norway, due to different mixture of European ethnicities in typical white Americans. And blond hair isn't particularly uncommon.

[Daco Celtic]

You can find a fair amount of blondes in the Mountain West (places like Utah and Colorado) or the upper Midwest (Minnesota and the Dakotas). I suspect a fair amount of "whites" in America are kinda like me, a mix of two or more Europeans ethnicities, so often dominate genes like brown eyes or hair come into play.

[Ruggery]

I think that only in Utah, Minnesota and Pennsylvania blond hair is common among white Americans
In the rest of the states, light brown and dark brown hair predominates.

[Ruggery]

Nothing that rare but less common than in countries like Sweden or Norway, due to different mixture of European ethnicities in typical white Americans. And blond hair isn't particularly uncommon.


In Germany, the Netherlands, England (east), Poland and the Baltic countries are also much more common blondes than in the United States.

[Smeagol]

In Germany, the Netherlands, England (east), Poland and the Baltic countries are also much more common blondes than in the United States.

I doubt that they're much blonder than American whites as a whole.

[Jägerstaffel]

I doubt that they're much blonder than American whites as a whole.

American whites tend to be largely unadmixed North/Western Europeans for the most part. There's no reason to believe they'd be less blond than other equivalent North/West European groups.

[Ruggery]

I doubt that they're much blonder than American whites as a whole.

Yes they are.

[Borealis]

American whites tend to be largely unadmixed North/Western Europeans for the most part. There's no reason to believe they'd be less blond than other equivalent North/West European groups.

Isn’t blonde hair not very common in many parts of the British isles? That could be the reason since many Americans trace their ancestry to there.

[RenaRyuguu]

Isn’t blonde hair not very common in many parts of the British isles? That could be the reason since many Americans trace their ancestry to there.

I didn't know most Brit Americans were from the British Isles interesting

[Smeagol]

Yes they are.

Have any proof?

[Ruggery]

Have any proof?

Let's compare the images
England
https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/resources/images/2680948/
http://www.ripongrammar.co.uk/site_assets/images/2041d577c0c9b8f12e2427cd0ebf4f66.jpg
Netherlands
https://media.uow.edu.au/content/groups/public/@web/@media/documents/web/~export/UOW160282~1~DC_REALTED_IMAGES_RESPONSIVE~DC_NOHEAD LAYOUT/140704-1.jpg
Germany
http://www.aloisiuskolleg.de/fotos/albums/userpics/10002/2015-09-15_SV_2015-16_2_950.JPG
Denmark
https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/sites/sbs.com.au.yourlanguage/files/styles/big_picture/public/4_129.jpg?itok=Svvs8Oh5
Estonia
https://nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/estonians.jpg
United States
https://vtnews.vt.edu/content/dam/vtnews_vt_edu/articles/2009/04/images/09300cibred-jpg.jpg
http://www.bobcatathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Cross-Country-State-Finals-98.jpg
As I said only in states like Pennsylvania, Minnesota and Utah, blond hair is common in the rest of the states, chestnut is predominant.

[Morena]

Blond hair isn't that rare in my neck of the woods, the Southern Part of the US. A lot of Scotch-Irish settled here and I think they have high rates of blondism. Basically, anywhere that Southern Europeans, Eastern Europeans, and Jews settled in large will have fewer instances of blond hair in general. New York and Chicago are good examples. Then there is the recent flood of migrants from areas were blond hair is either rare or it doesn't exist, Asia, MENA, Africa, and Lat. America. This all means that the rate of blond hair is going down.

[nafz]

As I said only in states like Pennsylvania, Minnesota and Utah, blond hair is common in the rest of the states, chestnut is predominant.

It is not only in these States. Blonde is common among Whites in North and South Dakota, Idaho and Wyoming.

Also in South Germany blonde is not that common, and the same is true for a large part of England. In England it peaks in the NE part.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Blond = masculine
Blonde = feminine

https://grammarist.com/usage/blond-blonde/

[RenaRyuguu]

Blond = masculine
Blonde = feminine

https://grammarist.com/usage/blond-blonde/

Blond is literally never used though sadly. Blonde became a universal term even though it's uncorrect lol

[Papastratosels26]

Blond hair is rare.

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[♥ Lily ♥]

Isn’t blonde hair not very common in many parts of the British isles? That could be the reason since many Americans trace their ancestry to there.

:confused:

I frequently see blond males and blonde females ... it's not the most common hair colour when compared to the amount of people with brown hair... but it's not that rare to see. Blond hair is nothing exotic nor unusual. It's nothing special.... it just means they've got little pigmentation in their hair. I don't idolise people for their hair colour... but rather for their personality, achievements, etc. It's particularly common amongst children.

Blond hair map of Europe: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=blond+hair+map+europe&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwidjpjTj_3eAhWKL1AKHfnhAUgQ_AUIDigB&biw=1257&bih=662

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?259467-Main-Phenotypes-Of-These-Welsh-People


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKCGoGZPZ0k

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?269299-Classify-British-Conservative-Politician-Jo-Johnson&p=5627611#post5627611

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?143314-Classify-retired-English-rugby-player-Lewis-Moody

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?259654-Classify-English-Identical-Twin-Male-Models

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?155781-Classify-Blond-Twins-From-London-England-Matt-and-Luke-Goss

English cricket player Stuart Broad.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Stuart_broad.jpg/260px-Stuart_broad.jpg

Former English international cricket legend Andrew 'Freddie' Flintoff (who also won his boxing debut.)
https://www.brisbaneheat.com.au/-/media/News/2014/12/AF-Front.ashx

Retired southern English footballer David Beckham.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/74/59/39/7459393d595240cc41b3dbb14b00f7bc.jpg
https://www.irishexaminer.com/remote/snappa.static.pressassociation.io/assets/2015/10/24153647/1445697405-c462d63fafc7d5203350434018064670-1038x576.jpg?width=600

Former London Mayor, Conservative politician and former Foreign Secretary, Brexiteer, MP, Boris Johnson.
https://assets.lbc.co.uk/2016/33/boris-johnson-6-1471423735-view-0.jpg

His brother Jo Johnson (a Conservative party politician.)
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/19/article-0-0E349C7300000578-495_306x423.jpg
https://www.conservatives.com/-/media/Images/Site-Redesign/Profile-Pictures/JO_JOHNSON.ashx?h=780&la=en&w=519&hash=0BC478779EE531EEFAA63F2CDD83B5A15149BD31

Boris and Jo Johnson's father Stanley Johnson.
https://images.immediate.co.uk/volatile/sites/3/2017/11/ImaCelebStanleyJohnson-83c0347.jpg?quality=45&resize=620,413

Sir Richard Branson, an English billionaire business magnate, investor, author and philanthropist. He founded the Virgin Group, which controls more than 400 companies, including hotels, aeroplanes, record labels, trains, internet and mobile services, tourist spaceships, etc.

He owns his own private island in the Caribbean and his own private deep sea travel vehicles.

Branson expressed his desire to become an entrepreneur at a young age. His first business venture, at the age of 16, was a magazine called Student. In 1970, he set up a mail-order record business. He opened a chain of record stores, Virgin Records—later known as Virgin Megastores—in 1972.

Branson's Virgin brand grew rapidly during the 1980s, as he set up Virgin Atlantic airline and expanded the Virgin Records music label.

In 2004, he founded spaceflight corporation Virgin Galactic, based at Mojave Air and Space Port, noted for the SpaceShipTwo suborbital spaceplane designed for space tourism.

http://channeleye.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/branson.jpg
https://www.apbspeakers.com/media/1490/branson_richard.jpg?center=0.359504132231405,0.391 66666666666666&mode=crop&quality=70&height=775&rnd=131431182260000000

Sir Richard Branson's family.
https://us.hellomagazine.com/imagenes/celebrities/201112216829/richard-branson-daughter-marries/0-30-384/holly-banson-1--a.jpg

Sam Branson (son of Sir Richard Branson) with his wife Isabella Calthorpe.
http://fandaily.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Isabella-calthorpe-Sam-Branson-girlfriend.jpg
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Sam+Branson+Cartier+International+Polo+Day+zetfcQQ m3-nl.jpg

Sam Branson with his daughter.
https://www.hellomagazine.com/imagenes/healthandbeauty/mother-and-baby/2015092227318/sam-branson-cute-daughter-pictures/0-136-414/sam-branson--a.jpg

Royal Air Force Search & Rescue Pilot Prince William - the future King of the U.K, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the British Overseas Territories, the Commonwealth Realm, etc. (He looks a lot like his mother Princess Diana.)
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/77/13/a377134cf6429748628f9514d3b72d20.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j23kMGJZIiE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAB4Jqg_ZTs

Blond southern English identical twin males. (The singer and the drummer (Matt and Luke Goss,) not the Scottish guy (Craig Logan) on the guitar.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yu0T9n5uos
https://images.spot.im/v1/production/dv6fmbadilxhjpvvuwcz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs

I've seen blond American guys too. Can't think of their names off the top of my head, but I've definitely seen them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWKzobeya4
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Glenn_Beck_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/220px-Glenn_Beck_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg

An American Gothic male, Atheist and existentialist philosopher, YouTuber and magic and horror stunt artist for audiences in Venice beach, California.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq_Q9JhPEek

[♥ Lily ♥]

Blond is literally never used though sadly. Blonde became a universal term even though it's uncorrect lol

I've often noticed the different spellings quite frequently in print.

These British publications take gender into account when using blonde and blond:


The blonde bombshell struck one sultry pose after another which perfectly highlighted her long tanned limbs. [Daily Mail]

He should be delighted with his smooth complexion, twinkling blue eyes and thick blond hair. [Express]

Tonight we learn that she’s definitely blonde and a lady. [Guardian]


Although some American and Canadian writers consider gender with blonde and blond, most use blond for all purposes—for example:

Their sister, Gutrune, with long blond hair, seductively lounges on a sofa, bored with their ruler-of-the-universe ways. [Los Angeles Times]

Now, Greenpeace is accusing the curvy blond doll of having a “nasty deforestation habit.”. [Globe and Mail]

I cringe if people write 'blonde male' as it looks so poofy and effeminate.

[RenaRyuguu]

I've often noticed the different spellings quite frequently in print.

These British publications take gender into account when using blonde and blond:

It would be an embarrassment for everyday publications not to take it into account. I meant rather in everyday texting or possibly even teen essay writing

[KMack]

Either I'm not paying attention or I've seen very few in the last few years. Perhaps there's just not a lot of true blondes here.

Men don't dye their hair like women do. Kids with blonde hair often it get darker as they get older. For whatever reason if your name is Todd or Troy higher chance you have blonde hair. Lots of blacks here dye their hair blonde also.

[de Burgh II]

Its because we are not Europe nor a homogeneous population. Much more mixed with other ethnicities compared to Europe.

Hence, the gene pool for the blonde gene is less prevalent and diluted due to the U.S.'s heterogeneous gene pool.

[Smeagol]

Let's compare the images

I meant real proof as in a study backing up your view. Comparing a couple pictures isn't proof of anything. Especially when you don't specify where the photos from the US were taken and use pictures of little kids to represent England.

[RenaRyuguu]

I meant real proof as in a study backing up your view. Comparing a couple pictures isn't proof of anything. Especially when you don't specify where the photos from the US were taken and use pictures of little kids to represent England.

Obv there's less blondes in the States as the population is made up of so many nations who are mainly brunette but it's not uncommon to see blondes especially in the states where Germans and Anglos are a majority that's settled but yeah out of the population it's prob lesser than say England or Germany

[Ruggery]

It is not only in these States. Blonde is common among Whites in North and South Dakota, Idaho and Wyoming.

Also in South Germany blonde is not that common, and the same is true for a large part of England. In England it peaks in the NE part.

Yes, but not all of Germany is dark, the center and the north of Germany are much blonde than most of the states of the United States. And the east of England is also more blond than most of the United States.

[Joso]

Yes, but not all of Germany is dark, the center and the north of Germany are much blonde than most of the states of the United States. And the east of England is also more blond than most of the United States.

Even Southern Germany have many blondes, nortthern Italy have too

[Valedictorian]

There obviously is no reason at all to believe that NW Europeans are lighter haired than unadmixed White Americans of the same ancestry.

[Ruggery]

I meant real proof as in a study backing up your view. Comparing a couple pictures isn't proof of anything. Especially when you don't specify where the photos from the US were taken and use pictures of little kids to represent England.
England has about 40% blonde hair and 70% light eyes, if you're going to ask about the source ask Septentrion, he has it.

The people I chose to represent the United States are from Virginia.

[Ruggery]

Even Southern Germany have many blondes, nortthern Italy have too

True

[Ruggery]

Obv there's less blondes in the States as the population is made up of so many nations who are mainly brunette but it's not uncommon to see blondes especially in the states where Germans and Anglos are a majority that's settled but yeah out of the population it's prob lesser than say England or Germany

In the USA there are many blondes and more in the predominantly Anglo, German, Scandinavian states, etc. But Germany, England and Scandinavia are naturally more blond than almost all of USA.

[RenaRyuguu]

In the USA there are many blondes and more in the predominantly Anglo, German, Scandinavian states, etc. But Germany, England and Scandinavia are naturally more blond than almost all of USA.

Yep

[amoora]

I haven't noticed very many either. I know loads of people who were blond as children though

[Jägerstaffel]

The US has a lot of European Americans. We are an increasingly diverse country but that doesn't take away from the unadmixed heritage of the original stock.

An interesting thing to consider for instance is that the United States has the largest population of redheads in the world. They're rare in comparison to the rest of the populace but there are just so many people of that heritage here. I'm sure it works the same way with our blondes.

[Óttar]

I went to a theme park called Old Town in Orlando and I've never seen so many freckly blond-haired/redhead blue eyed people in my life.

[Jägerstaffel]

Both my kids have blond hair and blue eyes. They aren't freaks of nature. It's totally normal around here.

[Ruggery]

I went to a theme park called Old Town in Orlando and I've never seen so many freckly blond-haired/redhead blue eyed people in my life.

Orlando? Are you sure they were not tourists?

[Septentrion]

Either I'm not paying attention or I've seen very few in the last few years. Perhaps there's just not a lot of true blondes here.

It depends where you live in the U.S. In places which are "very Anglo-Saxon" or very Northern European you will see your equal of blond or red-haired men. Out of my American ex-girlfriend five brothers, three were blond, blue-eyed, one was brown-haired, green-eyed, one was "carrot top" ginger with bluish-gray eyes! America is very diverse as well, so one should not expect to blonds all over the place.

[aherne]

It is common: since most white Americans are of British descent, blonde hair is common but far from predominant (among these, medium brown far dominates).

[New user]

Might have something to do with the fact Blondes and Gingers are a minority in the world. All over. Hell i've known more brown haired Germans and Swedes than blonde.

[Mingle]

Because blonde is the feminine spelling while blond is the masculine.

Anyway, it's not that rare unless you're from New York or something.Its not all that rare in NY either. NY has lots of people with German and Irish ancestry. Its not all Italians and Jews. Guess it may be compared to the Midwest but I haven't traveled there to say how big the difference is.

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[Grace O'Malley]

Because blonde is the feminine spelling while blond is the masculine.

Anyway, it's not that rare unless you're from New York or something.

It's a real bugbear of mine. Blonde is like Brunette and is feminine. Men can be blond or brunet. A blonde is a woman.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's a real bugbear of mine. Blonde is like Brunette and is feminine. Men can be blond or brunet. A blonde is a woman.

People that insist on using blonde for populations and men should look up any dictionary meaning.

Definition of blond (Entry 1 of 2)
1 : of a flaxen, golden, light auburn, or pale yellowish-brown color
blond hair
also : having blond hair
a blond man
—spelled blond when used of a boy or man and often blonde when used of a girl or woman
2a : of a light color
b : of the color blond
c : made light-colored by bleaching
blond wood table

[Smeagol]

Obv there's less blondes in the States as the population is made up of so many nations who are mainly brunette but it's not uncommon to see blondes especially in the states where Germans and Anglos are a majority that's settled but yeah out of the population it's prob lesser than say England or Germany

Germans and/or Anglos are the majority in most of the states...

[Smeagol]

England has about 40% blonde hair and 70% light eyes, if you're going to ask about the source ask Septentrion, he has it.

The people I chose to represent the United States are from Virginia.

40% of English are not blond if you're talking about the shade in your avatar, but again, most states are primarily British or German so there's no reason to think they'd be any darker than those countries in Europe.

[MysteriousWays]

Germans and/or Anglos are the majority in most of the states...

They make at least a plurality in almost all...Trying to think of ones they don't: CA, NM, TX maybe, MA maybe, RI maybe, that's about it.

[nafz]

Even Southern Germany have many blondes, nortthern Italy have too


True

Not really. These are local athletes from small Southern German cities. Clearly blondes are a minority among them and I am referring to ethnic Germans and not to any foreigners who obviously stick out in the photos. Also blondism in Northern Italy is overstated in this forum, many N Italians have light eyes but not that many are blonde.

[Dandelion]

Because Nordic countries are too civilised to need to migrate overseas.

[Babak]

double post

[Babak]

https://cdn.zmescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/blonde_hair_map_by_schrodinger_excidium-d7yjja3.png

[Joso]

Not really. These are local athletes from small Southern German cities. Clearly blondes are a minority among them and I am referring to ethnic Germans and not to any foreigners who obviously stick out in the photos. Also blondism in Northern Italy is overstated in this forum, many N Italians have light eyes but not that many are blonde.


Bro, i know how southern Germans and Northern Italians look like, i have seen lot of them IRL and lot of them are blonde indeed.
And i don't think the blondness of northern Italians is overstated here, more the contrary

[nafz]

Even Southern Germany have many blondes, nortthern Italy have too


Bro, i know how southern Germans and Northern Italians look like, i have seen lot of them IRL and lot of them are blonde indeed.
And i don't think the blondness of northern Italians is overstated here, more the contrary

I know too because I have lived in Northern Italy and have also visited south Germany many times.
I doubt you have lived here like I have and If you been here you probably came here as a tourist.
The reality is that Blondes are not prevalent in this part of Europe (south Germany and North Italy).
You have to go up northwards some notches for the majority of people you encounter to be blonde.

[Joso]

I know too because I have lived in Northern Italy and have also visited south Germany many times.
I doubt you have lived here like I have and If you been here you probably came here as a tourist.
The reality is that Blondes are not prevalent in this part of Europe (south Germany and North Italy).
You have to go up northwards some notches for the majority of people you encounter to be blonde.

Actually, i have never been too Italy, the things is that were i live it received many immigrants from Northern Italy and Southern Germany( to Southern Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina), my father is fully German and almost persons in his famly side are blonde
But it can be because in the past maybe they were more blonde but nowadays maybe not so much anymore

[Ruggery]

40% of English are not blond if you're talking about the shade in your avatar, but again, most states are primarily British or German so there's no reason to think they'd be any darker than those countries in Europe.

The character in my avatar is golden blonde. I do not know if you know that golden blonde is not a majority among English blondes, who only represent approximately 15%, there are several types of blondes such as ash, gold, light brown, etc.
Nor have I seen many Americans with golden blonde.
I have rarely seen an American with the blond tone of Oliver Kahn or Peter Schmeichel.

[nafz]

The character in my avatar is golden blonde. I do not know if you know that golden blonde is not a majority among English blondes, who only represent approximately 15%, there are several types of blondes such as ash, gold, light brown, etc.
Nor have I seen many Americans with golden blonde.
I have rarely seen an American with the blond tone of Oliver Kahn or Peter Schmeichel.

There is literally tons of such Americans. Some athletes of the top of my head:

https://www.golf.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/JD.jpg

http://us.vibram.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-VibramUS-Library/default/dwe1f6cc88/images/AmbassadorPhotos/the_boz.jpeg

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/theadvocate.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/98/898afd07-b7ad-50aa-bf0d-bf40bdbaedea/5751d4630bc31.image.jpg

https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/mlb-_apr_05_mets_at_royals.jpg

https://i1.wp.com/mlsgb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/brekshea.jpg?fit=620%2C350&ssl=1

https://getgoodhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Brogan-Roback-Best-Hair.jpg

[Ruggery]

There is literally tons of such Americans. Some athletes of the top of my head:

https://www.golf.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/JD.jpg

http://us.vibram.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-VibramUS-Library/default/dwe1f6cc88/images/AmbassadorPhotos/the_boz.jpeg

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/theadvocate.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/98/898afd07-b7ad-50aa-bf0d-bf40bdbaedea/5751d4630bc31.image.jpg

https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/mlb-_apr_05_mets_at_royals.jpg

https://i1.wp.com/mlsgb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/brekshea.jpg?fit=620%2C350&ssl=1

https://getgoodhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Brogan-Roback-Best-Hair.jpg
These Blondes are not similar to the ones I mention.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/f5/94/a3f5946871800514ed7626c6d4aa6043.png
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/manchester-united-goalkeeper-peter-schmeichel-at-the-pre-199192-at-picture-id453058956?s=612x612

[StonyArabia]

It depends on the region of the U.S. The Midwest is very blond lol

[nafz]

These Blondes are not similar to the ones I mention.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/f5/94/a3f5946871800514ed7626c6d4aa6043.png
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/manchester-united-goalkeeper-peter-schmeichel-at-the-pre-199192-at-picture-id453058956?s=612x612

Why not? Their hair have the same shade of blonde like Schmeichel and Kahn. BTW the photo of Kahn you posted must have been overexposed or something. His hair looks rather darker in other photos:

https://www.11freunde.de/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_full_no_watermark/public/mediapool/reportage/imago01281432h.jpg?itok=I5FLOEcv

https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/14174932/GettyImages-952036.jpg

[Ruggery]

Why not? Their hair have the same shade of blonde like Schmeichel and Kahn. BTW the photo of Kahn you posted must have been overexposed or something. His hair looks rather darker in other photos:

https://www.11freunde.de/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_full_no_watermark/public/mediapool/reportage/imago01281432h.jpg?itok=I5FLOEcv

https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/14174932/GettyImages-952036.jpg

Brock Lesnar is the only famous American that I know with the blond tone similar to those in the photo.
http://depor.com/files/article_main/uploads/2018/01/01/5a4ab59969aef.jpeg

[nafz]

Brock Lesnar is the only famous American that I know with the blond tone similar to those in the photo.
http://depor.com/files/article_main/uploads/2018/01/01/5a4ab59969aef.jpeg


Lesnar is known outside the USA because professional wrestling is popular all over the world and he is a star in it.

The guys I posted are famous in the US and they are stars too , they are just not famous elsewhere because of the sports they play (American football , baseball etc).

[Ruggery]

Lesnar is known outside the USA because professional wrestling is popular all over the world and he is a star in it.

The guys I posted are famous in the US and they are stars too , they are just not famous elsewhere because of the sports they play (American football , baseball etc).

And what is the point?

[AphroditeWorshiper]

The Blondest places on USA are Michigan, Ilinois, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Montana, North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota and Winsconsin

[Ruggery]

The Blondest places on USA are Michigan, Ilinois, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Montana, North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota and Winsconsin

You forgot Utah and Pennsylvania.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

You forgot Utah and Pennsylvania.

Utah and Pennsylvania it's more Red and Light Brown haired

[AphroditeWorshiper]

These states I have write, are the ones with the highest German ancestry

[Ruggery]

Utah and Pennsylvania it's more Red and Light Brown haired


These states I have write, are the ones with the highest German ancestry

Pennsylvania and Utah are predominantly German states, red hair is only common in predominantly English and Irish states.

[Septentrion]

In Germany, the Netherlands, England (east), Poland and the Baltic countries are also much more common blondes than in the United States.

As a whole, those are Northern European populations! In the U.S., there is much greater diversity. The blondest state, I personally saw in the U.S. are Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan, Vermont, New Hampshire, Main, Florida. The most common hair colour of White Americans of Northern, Central and Eastern European descent ( British, German, Polish and Russian) is medium to light brown in shade.

[Septentrion]

Brock Lesnar is the only famous American that I know with the blond tone similar to those in the photo.
http://depor.com/files/article_main/uploads/2018/01/01/5a4ab59969aef.jpeg

Are you O.K.? You forgot Chuck Norris?
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/77/56/b0/7756b0b6f465392492e79135eee9444f.jpg
Brad Pitt
http://famepace.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Young-Brad-Pitt-27.jpg

[Septentrion]

Pennsylvania and Utah are predominantly German states, red hair is only common in predominantly English and Irish states.

No, Utah is the most "Anglo-Saxon" state in the U.S.!

Most Anglo-Saxon states in the U.S. by percentage:
Utah
Maine
Vermont
Idaho
New Hampshire
Wyoming
Oregon
Montana
Delaware
Colorado

[Ruggery]

Are you O.K.? You forgot Chuck Norris?
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/77/56/b0/7756b0b6f465392492e79135eee9444f.jpg
Brad Pitt
http://famepace.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Young-Brad-Pitt-27.jpg

The color of Chuck Norris's hair is brown, I do not know where you invented that he is blond.

[Ruggery]

As a whole, those are Northern European populations! In the U.S., there is much greater diversity. The blondest state, I personally saw in the U.S. are Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan, Vermont, New Hampshire, Main, Florida. The most common hair colour of White Americans of Northern, Central and Eastern European descent ( British, German, Polish and Russian) is medium to light brown in shade.

The point is that in almost no US state predominates the blond hair, something that happens in the north of Europe.

[Swarthy_Syndicate]

Prob depends which state you live kinda like Europe is depending on what country you live in. I'd imagine Utah has many blonde men as the population there is mostly of English and German descent. When I lived in England most of the English men I encountered were fair and blonde

Lol at comparing European countries to American states. Europe's overall population is more than twice that of America's. The most populous state, California, has less people than Spain.

[TheOldNorth]

106317
It isn't, you're just looking in the wrong places

[Hialt]

I suppose it's up to your definition of "blonde." I understand the thread question enough to answer that, indeed, blonde hair among men is perhaps NOT a common sight to an "observer of America." However, blonde seems very desireable in America among women, based on how many artificially "lighten" their hair color. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe blonde hair is a recessive trait, and women are more likely to have it than men.
The spectrum:
Denmark blonde= "white blonde" very rare, yet still possible to find in America among the descendants of the Northwest European population contribution, not to mention the large number of Germans/Scandos who settled in America over the past 200 years. Rare and not common, but present.
Anglo-Keltic blonde-ish = characterized by light colored hair, often brown and reddish. This is all over the US due to the huge Scotch/Anglo contribution to the American population. (Black hair and red hair are sometimes not uncommon in these populations, too, of course)

[slaog]

There are small communities all over America who will retain their northern european heritage for a long time to come.

I look at it more from a genetic point of view. It's a recessive gene that can spring up now and again even if 2 people are not blond. So as long as the gene pool of those small towns is not diluted too much, they won't change much.

New York is a different story. The blond gene pool there has probably gone over a tipping point of no return. Eventually they'll all be mixed and bringing to no place but NY itself. Places like NY are overrepresented on American tv too and middle america probably underrepresented.

[Septentrion]

Either I'm not paying attention or I've seen very few in the last few years. Perhaps there's just not a lot of true blondes here.

Really? I saw blond - haired males and females in America, when I was studying there. So I don't know what you are talking about. It also depends where you are in America. You know it is a very big country and very diverse.

[Richard Alvarez]

Either I'm not paying attention or I've seen very few in the last few years. Perhaps there's just not a lot of true blondes here.

I guess blondes are more common among Whites in the US than true Mediterranean types.

[Septentrion]

Either I'm not paying attention or I've seen very few in the last few years. Perhaps there's just not a lot of true blondes here.

Depending where you live. I guess. In my experience, over there, it wasn’t as rare as you put it. Most people look either Northern or Central European, very rare Southern European except for some Jewish or Italian groups.

[de Burgh II]

Melting pot of different ethnicities and races is the answer.

[Septentrion]

I think that only in Utah, Minnesota and Pennsylvania blond hair is common among white Americans
In the rest of the states, light brown and dark brown hair predominates.

It’s not only there dude. There are plenty of states in America where light hair ( red, blond, auburn, titian, lighter brown shades) dominates over dark hair ( dark brown or black shades).

[Token]

Interestingly the analysis of "old Americans" of colonial stock shows that they are darker-haired than the Brits and even the Irish. An example of selective forces which come at play in movements of people.

[PlattitüdenPaule]

Depending where you live. I guess. In my experience, over there, it wasn’t as rare as you put it. Most people look either Northern or Central European, very rare Southern European except for some Jewish or Italian groups.

Op is/was an Indian anyways. Probably didnt even live in America but rather some slum in Mumbai, so I dont think he was qualified to open this thread/ask this question in the first place.

[Septentrion]

In Germany, the Netherlands, England (east), Poland and the Baltic countries are also much more common blondes than in the United States.

Hold on there, fella. Perhaps if you meant the overall level of blondness average is lower than that of Germany ( North) [ 42% ], the Netherlands [ 40% ], England ( East ) [ 38% ], Poland [ 30% ] and the Baltic States [ 43% ]. This is true. It doesn’t however make natural blond hair rare. People to exaggerate, the overall average of the U.S. is much more on a Central European level. This is normal as immigration came from all over. The truth of the matter, I have met more people that can classify as Hallstatt Nordid in the US or Canada than in many European countries outside of Northern or Northwestern Europe.

[Voskos]

Interestingly the analysis of "old Americans" of colonial stock shows that they are darker-haired than the Brits and even the Irish. An example of selective forces which come at play in movements of people.

I assume Iberian ancestry.


Furthermore, we performed an additional STRUCTURE analysis considering only U.S. samples with K=4 and assuming no admixture (loglikelihood of the data given the model = -16287.9) showing that the majority of U.S. Africans appeared in one of the four clusters (K4), and almost all U.S. Asians were in another cluster (K1) (see Table 1). In contrast, 15% of self-declared U.S. Hispanic samples were classified in the main cluster of U.S. Europeans (K3), and 19% of self-declared U.S. Europeans were clustered in the main cluster of self-declared U.S. Hispanics (K2).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3051415/

[Septentrion]

Interestingly the analysis of "old Americans" of colonial stock shows that they are darker-haired than the Brits and even the Irish. An example of selective forces which come at play in movements of people.

Which is analysis shows that? What I know is when America was predominantly «*Anglo-Saxon*», the frequency of blue eyes alone was 50%! This is about as high as that of Denmark ( 50.7%). So it is a laughable reason. Most European - Americans hair color ranges from blond to medium brown. Probably due to some Irish links, I saw more redheads there per capita than in many parts of my own country.

[Septentrion]

I assume Iberian ancestry.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3051415/

Iberian ancestry? What? Why are people saying rubbish like that.

[Voskos]

Iberian ancestry? What? Why are people saying rubbish like that.

To piss of Belgian faggets like you.

[Septentrion]

Either I'm not paying attention or I've seen very few in the last few years. Perhaps there's just not a lot of true blondes here.

This is from a European person who lived in your country for a few years. The overall level of blondness in the U.S. is more in line with Central European countries. By this, I mean they are neither too blond or too brunet, just in the «*middle of road*». Countries in line with Southern European countries are those in Latin America ( Whites or European descendants in those nations). Nevertheless, there is a good presence of Southern European - looking people in America, especially in the much larger cities.

[Ruggery]

Hold on there, fella. Perhaps if you meant the overall level of blondness average is lower than that of Germany ( North) [ 42% ], the Netherlands [ 40% ], England ( East ) [ 38% ], Poland [ 30% ] and the Baltic States [ 43% ]. This is true. It doesn’t however make natural blond hair rare. People to exaggerate, the overall average of the U.S. is much more on a Central European level. This is normal as immigration came from all over. The truth of the matter, I have met more people that can classify as Hallstatt Nordid in the US or Canada than in many European countries outside of Northern or Northwestern Europe.

I was referring more to the average than to the quantity. In the latter, the United States must have a lot due to all the immigration they had in past centuries.

In Argentina, for example, our average population (Euro) is not lighter than that of southern Europe, but in Argentina it is possible to see more blondes from central and northern Europe due to the immigration from various parts of Europe that we had.

[Septentrion]

[QUOTE=Voskos;7780390]To piss of Belgian faggets like you.[/QUOTE

Oh well you got it wrong again. I'm not a faggot ! Ok! Don't think that everyone is like you. Honestly, only behind a computer, one can say such words to me. Face to face, I would smash one's jaw if I'm ever called that. Personally, I have no beef with people who choose to be fags ( That's their choice or your choice). However, don't ever confuse me with them. If you're one, that's you. See.

[Lousianaboy]

https://imgur.com/a/AAo1wlk
what is my hair and eye color???

[Finnish Swede]

https://imgur.com/a/AAo1wlk
what is my hair and eye color???

Sand brown (hair)
Hazel (eyes)

[Melkiirs]

https://imgur.com/a/AAo1wlk
what is my hair and eye color???

You no longer look like a boy as I remember you. Did you forget to update your age?

[Blondie]

Op is/was an Indian anyways. Probably didnt even live in America but rather some slum in Mumbai, so I dont think he was qualified to open this thread/ask this question in the first place.

He was born in India but he lives in USA.

[Septentrion]

I was referring more to the average than to the quantity. In the latter, the United States must have a lot due to all the immigration they had in past centuries.

In Argentina, for example, our average population (Euro) is not lighter than that of southern Europe, but in Argentina it is possible to see more blondes from central and northern Europe due to the immigration from various parts of Europe that we had.

I would say that America is much more presentative of Europe. There is a strong representation of Northern and Central Europe depending where one goes. This decreases by a margin in the much more urban settings which become a great melting pot. So percentages fluctuate likewise. Blond hair could go as high as 22% - 25% in one area to a mere 3% - 5% in another. The history of migration plays a great role.

[Septentrion]

Either I'm not paying attention or I've seen very few in the last few years. Perhaps there's just not a lot of true blondes here.

It also depend what type of blond hair. The bright blond hair is becoming more rare, due to more immigration from non North European populations as well as fast growing non North European populations. However, if you went to places where more «*colonial*» stock is found then you get back to the high frequency of blond-haired. Once, I went to Florida, in Central Florida actually. In a small town, I saw many men who were fully as we are in Flanders and the Netherlands. I couldn’t tell between them and us, only that as group, they had a shorter height average ( 173 - 175 cm)

[TheStriker]

It depends Where you Live Some states are filled with Germanic and British ancestry which Would be kinda common there

[Davystayn]

Melting pot of different ethnicities and races is the answer.

Clearly the most sensible post on this thread. Most Americans from urban areas seem to have mixed Italian, Jewish etc ancestry and these are the types common on TV and Hollywood etc.

Nonetheless rural areas in many places seems to retain a mixed N Euro ancestry, which creates very N Euro populations where blond, red hair, blue eyes etc, is common.

Loads of American people who look super N Euro, also embracing the history of it all elemental look circa N Europe in the 9th century, with the beards ie ZZ top and the biker template, but will always be outnumbered by people who of more mixed populations, plus all the Latino influence in the south west etc.

This is all pretty obvious really as the US is a new world country the very motto of which that anyone from any background can succeed. This is the essence of what the US is.

Canada achieving the same thing without rebellion and desecration of the natives is another point entirely of course..

[Ruggery]

I would say that America is much more presentative of Europe. There is a strong representation of Northern and Central Europe depending where one goes. This decreases by a margin in the much more urban settings which become a great melting pot. So percentages fluctuate likewise. Blond hair could go as high as 22% - 25% in one area to a mere 3% - 5% in another. The history of migration plays a great role.

In America (if we talk about the United States) most Europeans are mixing with each other, unless you go to communities of groups like the Amish, it is not so common to see a 100% Euro-american descendant of a European ethnic group, in Europe at least ethnic groups are mostly pure.

[Ruggery]

Clearly the most sensible post on this thread. Most Americans from urban areas seem to have mixed Italian, Jewish etc ancestry and these are the types common on TV and Hollywood etc.

Nonetheless rural areas in many places seems to retain a mixed N Euro ancestry, which creates very Euro populations where blond is common. Loads of American people who look super N Euro, but will always be outnumbered by people who of more mixed populations, plus all the Latino influence in the south west etc.

This is all pretty obvious really as the US is a new world country the very motto of which that anyone from any background can succeed. This is the essence of what the US is. Canada achieving the same thing without rebellion and desicration of the nativea is another point entirely of course..

If we are talking about purely British New World countries or at least closer to that, those would be Australia and New Zealand,
Canada used to be until 60 years ago now it is looking more and more like the United States.

[Richard Alvarez]

If we are talking about purely British New World countries or at least closer to that, those would be Australia

Australia may be more homogenously British but it is also a very multiethnic country as well.
Lots of German descendants (although not as much as in the US), Italians, Greeks, Chinese etc.

[Septentrion]

Blond hair is quite rare anywhere except for Northern Europe and some Germanic continental European countries (Netherlands, Germany etc.). The U.S is mostly a mix of Germans, Brits, West Africans and Native American/Southern European mixes, and blond hair is just not very common in those ethnicities. It's not too uncommon in Germans and Brits, but as you probably know, the genes associated with blond hair are recessive and most Germans and Brits in the U.S are mixed with other European ethnicities where blond hair is less common, thus, brown and black are even more common.

You specify men as well, men actually have slightly darker pigmentation than women on average, but the great disparity is by far mostly due to women dyeing their hair which is not as common among males.

Blond hair is not rare! Blonde hair is frequent throughout Northern, Eastern and Western Europe. It’s common in Baltic, Celtic, Finnic, Germanic and Slavic groups. It is occasional in Southern Europe. The matter, blond hair is much less dominant than brown hair in most of Europe except in Scandinavia and Baltic region. It is usually the second most common hair color after brown in most of Europe. The US is a great melting pot of North, East, South and Western Europe.

[Ruggery]

Australia may be more homogenously British but it is also a very multiethnic country as well.
Lots of German descendants (although not as much as in the US), Italians, Greeks, Chinese etc.

In Australia the majority of the white population is British/Irish, and then there are the descendants of other communities, Italian, Greek, German, Asian etc.
Also many Australians have family in the UK.

[Septentrion]

In Australia the majority of the white population is British/Irish, and then there are the descendants of other communities, Italian, Greek, German, Asian etc.
Also many Australians have family in the UK.

Overall White Australia is blonder-haired than White America and Canada.

[Boudin]

In America (if we talk about the United States) most Europeans are mixing with each other, unless you go to communities of groups like the Amish, it is not so common to see a 100% Euro-american descendant of a European ethnic group, in Europe at least ethnic groups are mostly pure.

Plenty of people in Southern Louisiana who are 100% French (or close to it).

[Ruggery]

Plenty of people in Southern Louisiana who are 100% French (or close to it).

Louisiana probably has a large French community, Maine too, though to a lesser extent.

[Ruggery]

Overall White Australia is blonder-haired than White America and Canada.

I don't know, probably in percentage it is more, what I have noticed is that in white Australians there are more typical UK faces than in white Americans, for example I have seen like Paul Scholes' face more in Australia than in the USA.

[Östsvensk]

It should be kept in mind that blond hair cannot be easily defined. What someone considers blond, another might consider brown or reddish (real blond aka flaxen hair has red strains to it). Hooton wrote that only 2% of white Americans were truly blond Nordids but 19% when you liberalized the criteria for blond.


The sorting scheme for selecting the Nordic subrace has been somewhat liberalized in the above outline (p. 578) in comparison with the
strict criteria I have employed in technical sortings of large samples of the populations of the United States and Ireland. This previous method
insisted upon pure golden or ash blond hair and pure gray or pure blue eyes as prerequisites for admission to the subrace. Individuals with
light eyes and golden brown or very light biwvn hair, or with light mixed eyes and light hair were relegated to a predominantly Nordic
type, presumably tainted wdth some slight brunet admixture. In the present scheme, both classes are combined in criteria for selecting
Nordics. The first reason for this letting down of the pigment bars is that the purely blond long-heads are numerically so few, even in coun-
tries supposed to be basically Nordic in their population, that I doubt that there are enough of them to dignify as a subracial type anywhere
outside of Sweden and Norway, and perhaps not even there. These simon-pure blond long-heads in the United States constitute only 2.44 per cent
of our large male series and in Ireland only 0.61 per cent. If we add in the near blond long-heads, we have an additional 17.0 per cent of
Nordics in the United States and 7.0 per cent more in Ireland. However, the most important consideration leading me to lump together the
two categories is the finding that the sorting out of these pure light-eyed, blond long-heads, in whatever series, generally yields a group that is
decidedly below the mean age of all other racial types — usually a very young adult or a subadiilt group, even when, as in our samples, the
entire series are supposed to be adults. This can mean only that young adult pure blonds acquire some additional pigmentation of hair and eyes
after maturity, so that most of them probably are transformed into near-blonds. Personal observation leads me to conclude that “fast” blonds
(whose hair and eyes do not darken) are very rare indeed. Thus, if we insist upon classifying as pure Nordic only persons with purely blue or
gray eyes and ash blond or golden hair, we do not indeed empty out the Nordic baby with the bath, but rather keep the baby and empty out
his mother and father.--Up from the Ape, E.Hooton, 1946,pp.590

Of course in Anthropologia Suecia, not even the majority of Swedes had truly blond hair.


According to the Anthropologia Suecica, 52 per cent of Swedes had ash-blond hair, and 23 per cent golden.--https://theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-IX6.htm

30% of Swedes were pure Nordic (The Swedish Nation and Racial Types by Herman Lundborg), so not that many more than white Americans by then:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170119195408if_/https://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=80849&d=1159730674

[nittionia]

I don’t know any Americans where I’m from who have clearly blond hair that aren’t at least half Swedish or Finnish. Everyone else is at least light brown or darker. And even then, most Swedes and Finns where I live have my hair color which is blonde, but not super super light.

[Token]

It should be kept in mind that blond hair cannot be easily defined. What someone considers blond, another might consider brown or reddish (real blond aka flaxen hair has red strains to it). Hooton wrote that only 2% of white Americans were truly blond Nordids but 19% when you liberalized the criteria for blond.


The sorting scheme for selecting the Nordic subrace has been somewhat liberalized in the above outline (p. 578) in comparison with the
strict criteria I have employed in technical sortings of large samples of the populations of the United States and Ireland. This previous method
insisted upon pure golden or ash blond hair and pure gray or pure blue eyes as prerequisites for admission to the subrace. Individuals with
light eyes and golden brown or very light biwvn hair, or with light mixed eyes and light hair were relegated to a predominantly Nordic
type, presumably tainted wdth some slight brunet admixture. In the present scheme, both classes are combined in criteria for selecting
Nordics. The first reason for this letting down of the pigment bars is that the purely blond long-heads are numerically so few, even in coun-
tries supposed to be basically Nordic in their population, that I doubt that there are enough of them to dignify as a subracial type anywhere
outside of Sweden and Norway, and perhaps not even there. These simon-pure blond long-heads in the United States constitute only 2.44 per cent
of our large male series and in Ireland only 0.61 per cent. If we add in the near blond long-heads, we have an additional 17.0 per cent of
Nordics in the United States and 7.0 per cent more in Ireland. However, the most important consideration leading me to lump together the
two categories is the finding that the sorting out of these pure light-eyed, blond long-heads, in whatever series, generally yields a group that is
decidedly below the mean age of all other racial types — usually a very young adult or a subadiilt group, even when, as in our samples, the
entire series are supposed to be adults. This can mean only that young adult pure blonds acquire some additional pigmentation of hair and eyes
after maturity, so that most of them probably are transformed into near-blonds. Personal observation leads me to conclude that “fast” blonds
(whose hair and eyes do not darken) are very rare indeed. Thus, if we insist upon classifying as pure Nordic only persons with purely blue or
gray eyes and ash blond or golden hair, we do not indeed empty out the Nordic baby with the bath, but rather keep the baby and empty out
his mother and father.--Up from the Ape, E.Hooton, 1946,pp.590

Of course in Anthropologia Suecia, not even the majority of Swedes had truly blond hair.


According to the Anthropologia Suecica, 52 per cent of Swedes had ash-blond hair, and 23 per cent golden.--https://theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-IX6.htm

30% of Swedes were pure Nordic (The Swedish Nation and Racial Types by Herman Lundborg), so not that many more than white Americans by then:

[IMG]https://web.archive.org/web/20170119195408if_/https://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=80849&d=1159730674[/IMG

There is no reason whatsoever to assume that only pure blonds can be Nordic, in eastern Norway (which is the purest Nordic nucleus in present-day Europe) light and medium brown hair are as common as ash-blond and most of the eyes are light-mixed (more specifically grayish blue with small brown patches around the pupil):

Ash-blond hair is typical of one-half of the native farmers, the rest having light brown and brown shades; only four per cent have hair that is black or dark brown. The rufous tinges of hair color are especially rare. Among the recruits, unselected as to provenience of ancestry, dark hair is twice as common, and the ash-blond shades are found in only one-third of the group. Thus we may, from this material, specify that the typical hair color of the living examples of the Iron Age Nordic race ranges from a medium brown to an ash-blond, with a minimum of rufosity, and a small brunet minority.

In eye color as in hair color, the native farmers are lighter than the recruits, with 86.5 per cent of light and light-mixed eyes (Martin #12-16) as against 76 per cent. Of the recruits, 38.5 per cent have pure light eyes (Martin #15-16). This is by no means the Lightest-eyed region in Norway. This material shows us what had been previously suspected, that the Nordic eye must be considered light mixed in typical form, rather than pure light. According to Bryn the commonest form of unpigmented eye found in this region is a light blue one, with large meshes and iris fibers set quite far apart, so that the iris pattern appears open.
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-IX4.htm



Most of the light-mixed and medium pigmented types in Lundborg's scheme are probably Nordic. Most Swedes are metrically Nordic.

[Östsvensk]

There is no reason whatsoever to assume that only pure blonds can be Nordic, in eastern Norway (which is the purest Nordic nucleus in present-day Europe) light and medium brown hair are as common as ash-blond and most of the eyes are light-mixed (more specifically grayish blue with small brown patches around the pupil):

Ash-blond hair is typical of one-half of the native farmers, the rest having light brown and brown shades; only four per cent have hair that is black or dark brown. The rufous tinges of hair color are especially rare. Among the recruits, unselected as to provenience of ancestry, dark hair is twice as common, and the ash-blond shades are found in only one-third of the group. Thus we may, from this material, specify that the typical hair color of the living examples of the Iron Age Nordic race ranges from a medium brown to an ash-blond, with a minimum of rufosity, and a small brunet minority.

In eye color as in hair color, the native farmers are lighter than the recruits, with 86.5 per cent of light and light-mixed eyes (Martin #12-16) as against 76 per cent. Of the recruits, 38.5 per cent have pure light eyes (Martin #15-16). This is by no means the Lightest-eyed region in Norway. This material shows us what had been previously suspected, that the Nordic eye must be considered light mixed in typical form, rather than pure light. According to Bryn the commonest form of unpigmented eye found in this region is a light blue one, with large meshes and iris fibers set quite far apart, so that the iris pattern appears open.
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-IX4.htm

Yes, you can have brown hair and be Nordic. But some and especially on this forum seem to think otherwise, lol. I just had a debate not long ago where I tried to persuade Sheppey (JamesBond007) and also renaissance that Britain was generally classified as pred. Nordid despite being more brown-haired than Scandinavia but they wouldn't have it.

The thing is that some people think that light brown hair is blond (light brown and ash blond are transitional and do overlap) while others disagree. In Anthropologia Suecica, most Swedes were ash blond, while the German anthropologist W. Scheidt in Die rassischen Verhältnisse in Nordeuopa, (ZFMA, vol.28, 1930 classified most Swedes as brown-haired. This is because the author(s) of Anthropologia Suecica included light brown as (ash) blond while the latter labelled ash blond as light brown.


FISCHER Nos.........DESIGNATION...........SWEDEN.......... NORWAY
12-25....................flaxen...................... .6.9 %.............27.9 %
7-11, 26................light brown................62.5................50.0
5-6........................brown (medium).......25.1................17.2
4...........................brownish black............2.0.................3.7
27-28.....................black...................... ...0.2.................0.1
1-3.........................red..................... ......3.3.................1.3–https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-IX6.htm


Most of the light-mixed and medium pigmented types in Lundborg's scheme are probably Nordic. Most Swedes are metrically Nordic.

Yes, they're also Nordic but not pure i.e. textbook examples.


1) Persons having a light eye colour and light head hair, with a stature over 168 cm. and a cephalic index under 78, have been designated purer Nordid type.

2) Those having a light eye colour and light head hair, with a stature under 173 and cephalic index between 80 and 85, have been designated purer East Baltic type.

3) The remaining persons with a light eye colour and light head hair have been designated light mixed types. The Nordic racial factor is undoubtedly very strong in these persons also.

4) Those having a light eye colour and brown head hair, and those having a dark eye colour and light head hair, have been designated medium dark types. The latter, like the light eyes types, are sure to have a rather strong admixture of Nordic race.

5) Those having a dark eye colour and brown head hair, or a light eye colour and dark head hair, have been designtated dark mixed types.

6) Those having both a dark eye colour and dark head hair have been designated dark types.

[Davystayn]

JB007/Sheppey was a bonafide 'loose cannon' bored American who ventured into all sorts of trollish behaviour for his own amusement whilst Renaissance a long standing Italian obsessed with descrediting anything Northern European for the purpose of boosting Southern European (at least Italian) achievements and bravado.

It seems the criteria originally set (ash blond plus unmixed blue eyes) is far too specific and unrealistic if only a minority of even Swedes and Norwegians are Nordic in this sense, who are by far the exemplers of this type anywhere, as everyone knows.

[Septentrion]

Isn’t blonde hair not very common in many parts of the British isles? That could be the reason since many Americans trace their ancestry to there.

Not. Blonde hair is frequent in the British Isles. There is nothing unusual about blond-haired British or Irish.

[Septentrion]

Isn’t blonde hair not very common in many parts of the British isles? That could be the reason since many Americans trace their ancestry to there.

Not. Blonde hair is frequent in the British Isles. There is nothing unusual about blond-haired British or Irish.

[Melkiirs]

Yes, you can have brown hair and be Nordic. But some and especially on this forum seem to think otherwise, lol. I just had a debate not long ago where I tried to persuade Sheppey (JamesBond007) and also renaissance that Britain was generally classified as pred. Nordid despite being more brown-haired than Scandinavia but they wouldn't have it.

The thing is that some people think that light brown hair is blond (light brown and ash blond are transitional and do overlap) while others disagree. In Anthropologia Suecica, most Swedes were ash blond, while the German anthropologist W. Scheidt in Die rassischen Verhältnisse in Nordeuopa, (ZFMA, vol.28, 1930 classified most Swedes as brown-haired. This is because the author(s) of Anthropologia Suecica included light brown as (ash) blond while the latter labelled ash blond as light brown.


FISCHER Nos.........DESIGNATION...........SWEDEN.......... NORWAY
12-25....................flaxen...................... .6.9 %.............27.9 %
7-11, 26................light brown................62.5................50.0
5-6........................brown (medium).......25.1................17.2
4...........................brownish black............2.0.................3.7
27-28.....................black...................... ...0.2.................0.1
1-3.........................red..................... ......3.3.................1.3–https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-IX6.htm



Yes, they're also Nordic but not pure i.e. textbook examples.


1) Persons having a light eye colour and light head hair, with a stature over 168 cm. and a cephalic index under 78, have been designated purer Nordid type.

2) Those having a light eye colour and light head hair, with a stature under 173 and cephalic index between 80 and 85, have been designated purer East Baltic type.

3) The remaining persons with a light eye colour and light head hair have been designated light mixed types. The Nordic racial factor is undoubtedly very strong in these persons also.

4) Those having a light eye colour and brown head hair, and those having a dark eye colour and light head hair, have been designated medium dark types. The latter, like the light eyes types, are sure to have a rather strong admixture of Nordic race.

5) Those having a dark eye colour and brown head hair, or a light eye colour and dark head hair, have been designtated dark mixed types.

6) Those having both a dark eye colour and dark head hair have been designated dark types.

These are the standard categories for the original Fischer scale to compare:

#27: Black
#4-5: Dark brown
#6-7: Medium brown
#8-9: Light brown
#10-15: Golden blond
#16-26: Ash blond
#1-3: Pure red

This is the original Fischer scale:

https://i.ibb.co/QFnCbrw/FA3-B2-EBD-C4-B6-44-ED-B3-B2-F4-AC23194-AF5.jpg

Scheidt appears to have excluded both the darker shades of standard golden and ash blond from the flaxen category. The key distinction between ash blond and golden blond is rufosity, not so much intensity of blondism. These shades can verge on either ashen or golden shades of light brown hair. The Harvard investigation found that around 15% of Irish males were on the golden brown to golden blond spectrum, but the ash-brown to ash-blond spectrum was insignificant. In Swedes the latter ashen spectrum is certainly more prominent, but there is no reason to suggest that only ash-blond is continuous with light brown hair amongst them.

[Septentrion]

England has about 40% blonde hair and 70% light eyes, if you're going to ask about the source ask Septentrion, he has it.

The people I chose to represent the United States are from Virginia.

40% as the average? That’s only for some individual counties. The overall average for England is 35% for blond hair, 8% for red hair and over 75% for light eyes.

[Östsvensk]

These are the standard categories for the original Fischer scale to compare:

#27: Black
#4-5: Dark brown
#6-7: Medium brown
#8-9: Light brown
#10-15: Golden blond
#16-26: Ash blond
#1-3: Pure red

This is the original Fischer scale:

https://i.ibb.co/QFnCbrw/FA3-B2-EBD-C4-B6-44-ED-B3-B2-F4-AC23194-AF5.jpg

Scheidt appears to have excluded both the darker shades of standard golden and ash blond from the flaxen category. The key distinction between ash blond and golden blond is rufosity, not so much intensity of blondism. These shades can verge on either ashen or golden shades of light brown hair. The Harvard investigation found that around 15% of Irish males were on the golden brown to golden blond spectrum, but the ash-brown to ash-blond spectrum was insignificant. In Swedes the latter ashen spectrum is certainly more prominent, but there is no reason to suggest that only ash-blond is continuous with light brown hair amongst them.

Well, most Swedes probably wouldn't consider light brown hair light or blond. My hair has been classified as light brown on anthro forums and I have been called dark-haired IRL on numerous occasions, like my school teacher saying I'd be an untermensch in Nazi Germany because of my dark hair xD and family members asking where my dark hair comes from, lol. But I also have rather woggy (Paleoatlantid or Tydal) eyebrows which is rare in Scandinavia and may add to it, and also inside I look darker-haired compared to outside.

https://i.ibb.co/s5qKs47/20230725-200934.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/NxLBF2r/20230725-200803.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/c1QxL7h/20230725-200853.jpg

While in more southern countries, Clint Eastwood f.e. in the The Good, the Bad and the Ugly was called "Blondie".

[Septentrion]

In America (if we talk about the United States) most Europeans are mixing with each other, unless you go to communities of groups like the Amish, it is not so common to see a 100% Euro-american descendant of a European ethnic group, in Europe at least ethnic groups are mostly pure.

Yes, in America, most European-Americans easily mix with each other. Nevertheless Utah is the most «*Anglo-Saxon*» ( English by ancestry) state in America in terms of percentage.

[Ruggery]

Yes, in America, most European-Americans easily mix with each other. Nevertheless Utah is the most «*Anglo-Saxon*» ( English by ancestry) state in America in terms of percentage.

Utah?Does it have something to do with Mormons?

[Septentrion]

In Germany, the Netherlands, England (east), Poland and the Baltic countries are also much more common blondes than in the United States.

The US average for blond or blonde hair is most likely equivalent to that of Northern and Western Europe combined. This is where the bulk of their ancestry comes from.

[Septentrion]

Utah?Does it have something to do with Mormons?

Yes, there is a huge community of Mormons there I believe.

[Septentrion]

I don't know, probably in percentage it is more, what I have noticed is that in white Australians there are more typical UK faces than in white Americans, for example I have seen like Paul Scholes' face more in Australia than in the USA.

Yes, Australia by far is more British-descended than North America. It has closer family links with the British Isles. Although immigrants today comes from all over the world. White or European Australians are still chiefly of British descent.

[Mixdguy17]

It's not rare at all. It probably varies from state to state but among white Americans, specially wasp it's pretty common.

[Septentrion]

I meant real proof as in a study backing up your view. Comparing a couple pictures isn't proof of anything. Especially when you don't specify where the photos from the US were taken and use pictures of little kids to represent England.

Oh it is pretty simple. There are way more blue-eyed and light - eyed people per capita in Northern Europe than in the US. As you probably, the blondest countries in Europe have the highest ratio of blue or light eyes per capita.

[Septentrion]

In Germany, the Netherlands, England (east), Poland and the Baltic countries are also much more common blondes than in the United States.

However note that the US is more blond-haired and more ginger-haired than any nation in the Americas outside of Canada. As it had a greater bulk of immigrants originating from Northern Europe.

[Septentrion]

I don't know, probably in percentage it is more, what I have noticed is that in white Australians there are more typical UK faces than in white Americans, for example I have seen like Paul Scholes' face more in Australia than in the USA.

For a long time, the typical ( white ) Australian was known to be mainly of English ancestry, blond-haired and blue-eyed. Today, this might have changed due to massive non - Northern European and especially non - White immigration.

[aherne]

Nevertheless Utah is the most «*Anglo-Saxon*» ( English by ancestry) state in America in terms of percentage.

Self-reported ethnicity is generally worthless, especially in US where people will grossly under-report British colonial ancestry, which is by any metric dominant among US Whites. Highest British ancestry would be in Old South, where surname statistics show how British (especially English) surnames are very very dominant...

In terms of blondeness, it comes in this ancestry gradient: Scandinavian > English > German/Dutch

[Ruggery]

Self-reported ethnicity is generally worthless, especially in US where people will grossly under-report British colonial ancestry, which is by any metric dominant among US Whites. Highest British ancestry would be in Old South, where surname statistics show how British (especially English) surnames are very very dominant...

In terms of blondeness, it comes in this ancestry gradient: Scandinavian > English > German/Dutch

In most of the United States, British surnames are dominant along with Irish.

[Septentrion]

In most of the United States, British surnames are dominant along with Irish.

Remember also in the US, many non - Anglo-Saxon ( British ) people anglicized their names in order to avoid discrimination.

[Septentrion]

Self-reported ethnicity is generally worthless, especially in US where people will grossly under-report British colonial ancestry, which is by any metric dominant among US Whites. Highest British ancestry would be in Old South, where surname statistics show how British (especially English) surnames are very very dominant...

In terms of blondeness, it comes in this ancestry gradient: Scandinavian > English > German/Dutch

Those who under - reported their Anglo-Saxon or British ancestry usually fall under the «*American*» umbrella. Due to the fact, they might not be fully able to trace their full ancestry as it is too distant. You know, many have ancestors who have been there since the 1600’s. Utah percentage-wise has the highest percentage for English ancestry, not the other British. This is why I called it the most Anglo-Saxon state in America. In the Old South, there is a good frequency of English ancestry as well but plenty of Germans, French were there too.
Percentage - wise :
Utah
Maine
Vermont
Idaho
New Hampshire
Wyoming
Oregon
Montana
Delaware
Colorado, Rhode Island, Washington

[Septentrion]

Either I'm not paying attention or I've seen very few in the last few years. Perhaps there's just not a lot of true blondes here.

Remember the overall percentage of European Americans who have a strong ancestry from Northern and Western Europe has decreased tremendously over the last fifty years or so. Many people who go there to settle are either from Eastern or Southern Europe. Therefore the frequency of blonde hair which might be very common in the Netherlands, Sweden and Denmark for example, can be hard to find there.

[Septentrion]

Up to 22% of European Americans are blonde or fair - haired. Exactly 22.3% of European Americans are blue - eyed, 16% are green - eyed.

[hangh]

In Germany, the Netherlands, England (east), Poland and the Baltic countries are also much more common blondes than in the United States.

No, they're not. Especially not in Poland, Germany, England, and the Netherlands.

[hangh]

Let's compare the images
England
https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/resources/images/2680948/
http://www.ripongrammar.co.uk/site_assets/images/2041d577c0c9b8f12e2427cd0ebf4f66.jpg
Netherlands
https://media.uow.edu.au/content/groups/public/@web/@media/documents/web/~export/UOW160282~1~DC_REALTED_IMAGES_RESPONSIVE~DC_NOHEAD LAYOUT/140704-1.jpg
Germany
http://www.aloisiuskolleg.de/fotos/albums/userpics/10002/2015-09-15_SV_2015-16_2_950.JPG
Denmark
https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/sites/sbs.com.au.yourlanguage/files/styles/big_picture/public/4_129.jpg?itok=Svvs8Oh5
Estonia
https://nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/estonians.jpg
United States
https://vtnews.vt.edu/content/dam/vtnews_vt_edu/articles/2009/04/images/09300cibred-jpg.jpg
http://www.bobcatathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Cross-Country-State-Finals-98.jpg
As I said only in states like Pennsylvania, Minnesota and Utah, blond hair is common in the rest of the states, chestnut is predominant.

Respectfully, you don't know what you're taking about. Your inclusion of "Pennsylvania" just shows you're kind of being arbitrary and random and don't actually know anything about the states. None of those photos of Europeans would be at all out of place in the US.

This is also more anti-American stuff, where you cherry-pick images of attractive, un-mixed stock pictures of schoolchildren from those countries, but cherry-pick this very flat, candid picture of a group of mixed American teens from some random public high school to represent America.

Here's Swedish kids:

124442

Here's some American kids (from Illinois):

124443

Blondes don't strike me as rare in this picture

[hangh]

Obv there's less blondes in the States as the population is made up of so many nations who are mainly brunette but it's not uncommon to see blondes especially in the states where Germans and Anglos are a majority that's settled but yeah out of the population it's prob lesser than say England or Germany

No, there's more blondes in total in the states. This is getting ridiculous.

[hangh]

It is common: since most white Americans are of British descent, blonde hair is common but far from predominant (among these, medium brown far dominates).

You don't know anything about white Americans lmao

[masoebu]

don't think there's anything wrong with that observation:

Blondes here are common but not predominant. Blonde men are not rare though as the OP thinks lol.

[CordedWhelp]

I see a lot more shades of brown where I am, but of course not an insignificant amount of true blonde shades.

[hangh]

It is common: since most white Americans are of British descent, blonde hair is common but far from predominant (among these, medium brown far dominates).

You don't know anything about white Americans lmao, you're just mad that blondes aren't as common in Latinx land.

I grew up in Chicago Illinois. The amount of literally white blonde (and blue/green eyed) kids in that suburban Chicago school was notable. It just isn't that rare, especially compared to elsewhere in the world, like Latin America, where it is very rare.

[hangh]

Clearly the most sensible post on this thread. Most Americans from urban areas seem to have mixed Italian, Jewish etc ancestry and these are the types common on TV and Hollywood etc.

Nonetheless rural areas in many places seems to retain a mixed N Euro ancestry, which creates very N Euro populations where blond, red hair, blue eyes etc, is common.

Loads of American people who look super N Euro, also embracing the history of it all elemental look circa N Europe in the 9th century, with the beards ie ZZ top and the biker template, but will always be outnumbered by people who of more mixed populations, plus all the Latino influence in the south west etc.

This is all pretty obvious really as the US is a new world country the very motto of which that anyone from any background can succeed. This is the essence of what the US is.

Canada achieving the same thing without rebellion and desecration of the natives is another point entirely of course..

Canada didn't achieve the same thing. They desecrated their natives, and also didn't receive anywhere near the same amount of immigrants.