Original Sources the Quran Stole its Stories From

[Loki]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhaLDYo0Kl8

[Qamari]

What about the Epic of Gilgamesh? If we believe that the story of Noah came from it, accordingly we can assume that all Abrahamic religions are made up.

[Loki]

What about the Epic of Gilgamesh? If we believe that the story of Noah came from it, accordingly we can assume that all Abrahamic religions are made up.

No, the story of Noah didn't come from the Epic of Gilgamesh... but both describe the same event. The story of Noah is just more accurate, because it's from the original source. The Epic of Gilgamesh is derived from that.

Christianity is not made up, nor is the original Hebrew source (although later Jewish writings are, like the Talmud).

[Qamari]

Well, you got an intresting point of view

[Phenix]

The video forgot the most important source: Arabian pamphlets and poetry.

[Loki]

The video forgot the most important source: Arabian pamphlets and poetry.

Yeah because it was concentrating on the other religious sources, as opposed to local ones.

[JosephK]

Um, well, Islam was influenced by the same things that most of the Great Religions were... I don't think "stealing" is the right word...

[Loki]

Um, well, Islam was influenced by the same things that most of the Great Religions were... I don't think "stealing" is the right word...

I don't know who you include in the "Great Religions", but the Christian religion came about in a very different way: by Godly inspiration and intervention. And with that I include the Old Testament.

[JosephK]

I don't know who you include in the "Great Religions", but the Christian religion came about in a very different way: by Godly inspiration and intervention. And with that I include the Old Testament.

Oh, gotcha... then you must believe that the Quran is also divinely inspired from the same source...

[Loki]

Oh, gotcha... then you must believe that the Quran is also divinely inspired from the same source...

No. I don't think you watched the video. The Quran didn't steal from inspired Christian sources, but from non-inspired Gnostic and non-inspired Jewish sources. Not the same as the Bible.

[Vojnik]

Um, well, Islam was influenced by the same things that most of the Great Religions were... I don't think "stealing" is the right word...


No not at all.

Muslims believe the Quran is the pure, unaltered word of Allah. They believe it is word by word from their God, given to Muhammad in a cave by the angel Gabriel. Funny thing is Muhammad was illiterate.

Christians don't believe the same thing about the Bible. Rather, Christians believe the Bible is the inspired word of God, or the breath of God, written by man.

Muhammad was just some crazy man who went in a cave alone, came out and crazy people alike believed the mans word because they were dumb pagan desert Arabians at the time.

[Vojnik]

Oh, gotcha... then you must believe that the Quran is also divinely inspired from the same source...

You can not believe the Quran and the Bible at the same time. The two books contradict eachother. Therefore, one can only be the truth.

[Phenix]

Yeah because it was concentrating on the other religious sources, as opposed to local ones.

One thing to be said to finish with: a complete challenge of quran originality can not be done without the the critique of precedent abrahamic faiths books and the studying of Sumerian and Indo-European mythology which they were inspired from.

[Loki]

One thing to be said to finish with: a complete challenge of quran originality can not be done without the the critique of precedent abrahamic faiths books and the studying of Sumerian and Indo-European mythology which they were inspired from.

No, I don't agree. You see, the Quran doesn't take its stories from the Biblical writings. Instead, it took much of it from apocryphal writings which are not included in the Bible, and definitely not considered inspired. Important among them are Gnostic Christian writings, which were regarded by the Christian church as heresy, and were rejected. These Gnostic writings were also dating from much later than the time of the gospel and other New Testament writings.

Christian and Hebrew texts were not inspired from Sumerian and other mythologies. They were inspired by the involvement of the Spirit of God in the lives of holy men who were dedicated to God.

[Phenix]

No, I don't agree. You see, the Quran doesn't take its stories from the Biblical writings. Instead, it took much of it from apocryphal writings which are not included in the Bible, and definitely not considered inspired. Important among them are Gnostic Christian writings, which were regarded by the Christian church as heresy, and were rejected. These Gnostic writings were also dating from much later than the time of the gospel and other New Testament writings.

Christian and Hebrew texts were not inspired from Sumerian and other mythologies. They were inspired by the involvement of the Spirit of God in the lives of holy men who were dedicated to God.

The first part is undoubtedly true, I take significant regards to the second.
Tanakh can be defined as a moral tribal code magnified with tales of Mesopotamian and Canaanite mythology and affiliations.
Bible on the other hand seems like a merge of a universal reformist vision of the first Yahwism with Proto-Indo-European pre-existing trinitarian cult and many rites found within Greco-Roman polytheism, I think that early church fathers toke more than just a citadel from Rome.

[LoLeL]

Nothing is holy about the Quran. Even Satan avoid it.

[Loki]

Tanakh can be defined as a moral tribal code magnified with tales of Mesopotamian and Canaanite mythology and affiliations.
Bible on the other hand seems like a merge of a universal reformist vision of the first Yahwism with Proto-Indo-European pre-existing trinitarian cult and many rites found within Greco-Roman polytheism, I think that early church fathers toke more than just a citadel from Rome.

No, this is not true. I can see your knowledge of the Bible is sorely lacking, don't know much about it. And I doubt you have ever read it. You shouldn't take all your information about things you don't know from its critics... that leads to having views like you have. Very distorted and very wrong. And let me say, I can see in your writings that you're an Arab or something. You lack knowledge about Christian history and have distorted ideas that are incaccurate.

Also, the early church fathers had nothing to do with Rome. Check your history, They were before the establishment of the Roman Catholic Church and Roman hegemony over Christendom.

[Nykyus]

Prophet Muhammad influenced by the Ebionites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebionites.
Arians and Nestorians were close to them

[Nykyus]

After all, Muhammad at first considered their faith and Judaism to be his religion; at first he did not invent anything new. Then, due to political differences, and also because his Jews rejected him, he was forced to part with them.
When pursued, he fled to Abyssinia, to the Christian monarch