Trapani Sicily result #2 (close to "Central Greek")?

[Sikeliot]

Can be modeled as 7/8 "Central Greek" and 1/8 North African or Sardinian.

Eurogenes K15:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.65
2 West_Med 21.02
3 Atlantic 12.63
4 West_Asian 12.55
5 North_Sea 9.73
6 Baltic 6.08
7 Red_Sea 5.45
8 Eastern_Euro 3.22
9 Northeast_African 1.68
10 Oceanian 0.58
11 Amerindian 0.42

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 4.12
2 Central_Greek 4.86
3 South_Italian 5.27
4 West_Sicilian 6.16
5 Ashkenazi 6.78
6 Italian_Abruzzo 6.87
7 Italian_Jewish 8.35
8 Greek_Thessaly 8.36
9 Greek 8.36
10 Tuscan 9.47
11 Algerian_Jewish 9.63
12 Sephardic_Jewish 10.14
13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.98
14 Libyan_Jewish 14.64
15 North_Italian 15.58
16 Bulgarian 15.99
17 Cyprian 16.42
18 Romanian 18.15
19 Lebanese_Muslim 20.39
20 Syrian 20.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.3% East_Sicilian + 10.7% Sardinian @ 2.19
2 87.9% Central_Greek + 12.1% Sardinian @ 2.74
3 82.7% Ashkenazi + 17.3% Sardinian @ 3.04
4 87.7% Central_Greek + 12.3% Moroccan @ 3.43
5 88.5% Central_Greek + 11.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.63
6 54.2% Greek_Thessaly + 45.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.66
7 87.7% Central_Greek + 12.3% Algerian @ 3.7
8 50% Italian_Jewish + 50% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.75
9 90.8% East_Sicilian + 9.2% North_Italian @ 3.83
10 59% Cyprian + 41% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.85
11 51.4% North_Italian + 48.6% Cyprian @ 3.85
12 85.9% East_Sicilian + 14.1% Tuscan @ 3.87
13 95.2% East_Sicilian + 4.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.89
14 94.3% East_Sicilian + 5.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.89
15 94.4% East_Sicilian + 5.6% Portuguese @ 3.91
16 95.5% East_Sicilian + 4.5% Southwest_French @ 3.91
17 94.7% East_Sicilian + 5.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.92
18 88.5% Central_Greek + 11.5% Tunisian @ 3.93
19 67.8% South_Italian + 32.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.93
20 95.7% East_Sicilian + 4.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.94


MDLP K23:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.92
2 European_Early_Farmers 23.20
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 13.38
4 Near_East 11.35
5 North_African 6.45
6 South_Central_Asian 6.34


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sicilian_West_ @ 2.731395
2 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 3.245216
3 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 3.926993
4 Sicilian_East_ @ 4.258235
5 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 4.622407
6 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 5.000092
7 Ashkenazi_ @ 5.313550
8 Maltese_ @ 5.938328
9 Romanian_Jew_ @ 6.684793
10 Cretan_ @ 7.168880
11 French_Jew_ @ 7.283562
12 Sicilian_Center_ @ 7.810743
13 Italian_South_ @ 8.044237
14 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 8.372535
15 Greek_Athens_ @ 8.504428
16 Greek_ @ 8.742311
17 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 9.125118
18 Central_Greek_ @ 9.241665
19 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 9.283236
20 Turk_Jew_ @ 9.793264

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Northwest_ +50% Sephardic_Jew_ @ 2.049659

[FinalFlash]

Closer to a Lebanese and Syrian than to a Turk.

[Sikeliot]

Closer to a Lebanese and Syrian than to a Turk.

Does that surprise you or no?

[FinalFlash]

Does that surprise you or no?

It does. Turks have higher Steppe admix and similar east med levels to Sicilians. Maybe the lesser Red Sea among Turks and highest Asian input sets them away. Otherwise I honestly dont see how theyd get Levantines before Turks.

[Walvis]

I thought that Italians were related to the French. That's what we learned in history class.

[Sikeliot]

It does. Turks have higher Steppe admix and similar east med levels to Sicilians. Maybe the lesser Red Sea among Turks and highest Asian input sets them away. Otherwise I honestly dont see how theyd get Levantines before Turks.


Not all do.

Here is someone from a more Caucasus-heavy area on the island:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.52
2 West_Asian 19.03
3 West_Med 14.38
4 North_Sea 13.32
5 Atlantic 12.19
6 Baltic 5.46
7 Red_Sea 4.92
8 Northeast_African 1.36
9 Sub-Saharan 1.18
10 Oceanian 0.64

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 6.2
2 East_Sicilian 6.48
3 South_Italian 7.04
4 Italian_Abruzzo 7.1
5 Ashkenazi 8.35
6 West_Sicilian 10.32
7 Italian_Jewish 10.75
8 Greek_Thessaly 10.85
9 Sephardic_Jewish 11.57
10 Greek 11.93
11 Algerian_Jewish 13.04
12 Tuscan 13.12
13 Tunisian_Jewish 14.85
14 Libyan_Jewish 15.68
15 Cyprian 15.68
16 Turkish 16.1
17 Lebanese_Muslim 17.18
18 Bulgarian 17.39
19 Syrian 18.29
20 Romanian 18.89

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.9% Assyrian + 44.1% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.4
2 55.4% Assyrian + 44.6% Portuguese @ 4.44
3 63.4% Tuscan + 36.6% Armenian @ 4.65
4 56.6% Assyrian + 43.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.68
5 79.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 20.1% Armenian @ 4.7
6 52.3% North_Italian + 47.7% Assyrian @ 4.74
7 62.6% Tuscan + 37.4% Assyrian @ 4.77
8 56.7% Assyrian + 43.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.78
9 63.8% Tuscan + 36.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.86
10 86.3% South_Italian + 13.7% Tabassaran @ 4.87
11 88.7% East_Sicilian + 11.3% Georgian @ 4.88
12 79.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 20.1% Assyrian @ 4.92
13 89.9% East_Sicilian + 10.1% Abhkasian @ 4.94
14 80.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 19.1% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.97
15 89.2% East_Sicilian + 10.8% Ossetian @ 5.09
16 84.1% East_Sicilian + 15.9% Armenian @ 5.1
17 86.6% South_Italian + 13.4% Lezgin @ 5.12
18 87% East_Sicilian + 13% Kumyk @ 5.14
19 55.4% Assyrian + 44.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.16
20 87.4% South_Italian + 12.6% Chechen @ 5.17

[Coolguy1]

Dodecad k12b as wel please

[Sikeliot]

Dodecad k12b as wel please


# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 31.98
2 Atlantic_Med 28.64
3 North_European 15.39
4 Southwest_Asian 11.95
5 Gedrosia 6.7
6 Northwest_African 3.92
7 East_African 0.95
8 Southeast_Asian 0.25
9 Siberian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.64
2 Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.7
3 C_Italian (Dodecad) 7.19
4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 8.13
5 Greek (Dodecad) 8.14
6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 8.35
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.43
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 11.09
9 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 11.28
10 TSI30 (Metspalu) 11.93
11 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 12.67
12 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.51
13 North_Italian (HGDP) 18.86
14 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 19.74
15 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 20.12
16 Cypriots (Behar) 20.69
17 Romanians (Behar) 21.03
18 Turkish (Dodecad) 21.75
19 Lebanese (Behar) 23.83
20 Turks (Behar) 24.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 22.9% German (Dodecad) @ 1.64
2 77.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 22.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 1.74
3 78.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 21.9% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.86
4 81.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 1.98
5 81.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18.7% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.18
6 78.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 21.4% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.21
7 54.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 45.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.23
8 78.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 21.3% English (Dodecad) @ 2.26
9 78.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 21.6% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.31
10 79.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 20.7% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.34
11 57.8% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 42.2% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.44
12 79.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 20.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.45
13 79.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 20.5% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.49
14 79.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 20.2% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.56
15 67% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 33% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.59
16 79.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 20.3% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.6
17 80.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 19.7% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.69
18 72.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.6% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.71
19 90.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 9.3% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.71
20 79.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 20.8% British (Dodecad) @ 2.72

[Chaos One]

Sikeliot, which was the highest North African number at MDLP K23b you saw from a Southern Italian? Do you have some proper average on this number?

[Coolguy1]

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 31.98
2 Atlantic_Med 28.64
3 North_European 15.39
4 Southwest_Asian 11.95
5 Gedrosia 6.7
6 Northwest_African 3.92
7 East_African 0.95
8 Southeast_Asian 0.25
9 Siberian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.64
2 Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.7
3 C_Italian (Dodecad) 7.19
4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 8.13
5 Greek (Dodecad) 8.14
6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 8.35
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.43
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 11.09
9 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 11.28
10 TSI30 (Metspalu) 11.93
11 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 12.67
12 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.51
13 North_Italian (HGDP) 18.86
14 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 19.74
15 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 20.12
16 Cypriots (Behar) 20.69
17 Romanians (Behar) 21.03
18 Turkish (Dodecad) 21.75
19 Lebanese (Behar) 23.83
20 Turks (Behar) 24.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 22.9% German (Dodecad) @ 1.64
2 77.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 22.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 1.74
3 78.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 21.9% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.86
4 81.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 1.98
5 81.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18.7% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.18
6 78.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 21.4% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.21
7 54.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 45.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.23
8 78.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 21.3% English (Dodecad) @ 2.26
9 78.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 21.6% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.31
10 79.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 20.7% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.34
11 57.8% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 42.2% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.44
12 79.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 20.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.45
13 79.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 20.5% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.49
14 79.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 20.2% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.56
15 67% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 33% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.59
16 79.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 20.3% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.6
17 80.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 19.7% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.69
18 72.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.6% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.71
19 90.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 9.3% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.71
20 79.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 20.8% British (Dodecad) @ 2.72

[1] "distance%=2.2196 / distance=0.022196"

Trapani4

Minoan_Lasithi (N=5) 66.45
I0440_Poltavka 23.90
Algerian (N=2) 9.65
Catacomb_Culture_F999946 0.00

Nothing particularly exotic about this result. Mostly Minoan and steppe, which is what the classical age Greeks and Sicilians would have been (My theorization). Some minor north African.

[Sikeliot]

[1] "distance%=2.2196 / distance=0.022196"

Trapani4

Minoan_Lasithi (N=5) 66.45
I0440_Poltavka 23.90
Algerian (N=2) 9.65
Catacomb_Culture_F999946 0.00

Nothing particularly exotic about this result. Mostly Minoan and steppe, which is what the classical age Greeks and Sicilians would have been (My theorization). Some minor north African.

Looks like it would be like how some GEDmatch calculators model many Trapanese -- as "Central Greek" (Cyclades/Maniot/North Aegean like) with 10% North African or so.

Can you compare it to these 3 Palermitan results to see how much the Minoan is and if it is more, or less, exotic?

#1:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 33.67
2 Atlantic_Med 24.04
3 North_European 15.31
4 Southwest_Asian 12.81
5 Gedrosia 5.91
6 Northwest_African 5.8
7 East_African 1.71
8 East_Asian 0.42
9 South_Asian 0.34

#2:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 31.96
2 Atlantic_Med 28.41
3 North_European 12.61
4 Southwest_Asian 12.51
5 Northwest_African 7.61
6 Gedrosia 6.09
7 Southeast_Asian 0.51
8 South_Asian 0.28


#3:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 39.75
2 Atlantic_Med 28.19
3 North_European 12.38
4 Southwest_Asian 11.82
5 Northwest_African 4.52
6 Gedrosia 2.58
7 Sub_Saharan 0.56
8 Southeast_Asian 0.1
9 East_Asian 0.07
10 South_Asian 0.03

[Coolguy1]

[1] "distance%=2.582 / distance=0.02582"

Palermo1

Minoan_Lasithi (N=5) 53.3
I0440_Poltavka 22.9
Samaritan (N=2) 12.6
Algerian (N=2) 11.2
Catacomb_Culture_F999946 0.0




[1] "distance%=3.1689 / distance=0.031689"

Palermo2

Minoan_Lasithi (N=5) 62.5
I0440_Poltavka 19.4
Algerian (N=2) 18.1
Catacomb_Culture_F999946 0.0

[1] "distance%=4.3595 / distance=0.043595"

Palermo3

Minoan_Lasithi (N=5) 72.1
I0440_Poltavka 17.0
Samaritan (N=2) 8.5
Algerian (N=2) 2.4
Catacomb_Culture_F999946 0.0
Armenian_West 0.0

[Sikeliot]

[1] "distance%=2.582 / distance=0.02582"

Palermo1

Minoan_Lasithi (N=5) 53.3
I0440_Poltavka 22.9
Samaritan (N=2) 12.6
Algerian (N=2) 11.2
Catacomb_Culture_F999946 0.0




[1] "distance%=3.1689 / distance=0.031689"

Palermo2

Minoan_Lasithi (N=5) 62.5
I0440_Poltavka 19.4
Algerian (N=2) 18.1
Catacomb_Culture_F999946 0.0

[1] "distance%=4.3595 / distance=0.043595"

Palermo3

Minoan_Lasithi (N=5) 72.1
I0440_Poltavka 17.0
Samaritan (N=2) 8.5
Algerian (N=2) 2.4
Catacomb_Culture_F999946 0.0
Armenian_West 0.0


These have quite a bit more "exotic" admixture (Phoenician/Carthaginian), but Minoan still dominates. I don't believe that Sicilians could have so much actual Minoan admixture, clearly some of it is Greek but some must be Sicanian.

What about this one?

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 31.71
2 Atlantic_Med 27.77
3 North_European 12.64
4 Southwest_Asian 11.69
5 Gedrosia 9.9
6 Northwest_African 4.15
7 Southeast_Asian 1.13
8 East_African 0.97
9 Sub_Saharan 0.04

[Coolguy1]

These have quite a bit more "exotic" admixture (Phoenician/Carthaginian), but Minoan still dominates. I don't believe that Sicilians could have so much actual Minoan admixture, clearly some of it is Greek but some must be Sicanian.

What about this one?

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 31.71
2 Atlantic_Med 27.77
3 North_European 12.64
4 Southwest_Asian 11.69
5 Gedrosia 9.9
6 Northwest_African 4.15
7 Southeast_Asian 1.13
8 East_African 0.97
9 Sub_Saharan 0.04

[1] "distance%=3.1929 / distance=0.031929"

Palermo11

Minoan_Lasithi (N=5) 63.40
Catacomb_Culture_F999946 22.35
Algerian (N=2) 9.95
Armenian_West 3.10
Cambodians 1.20
I0440_Poltavka 0.00
Samaritan (N=2) 0.00

[Sikeliot]

[1] "distance%=3.1929 / distance=0.031929"

Palermo11

Minoan_Lasithi (N=5) 63.40
Catacomb_Culture_F999946 22.35
Algerian (N=2) 9.95
Armenian_West 3.10
Cambodians 1.20
I0440_Poltavka 0.00
Samaritan (N=2) 0.00


I figured this one would have a bit of Armenian but I thought it'd be more.