Dinarids and Alpines in Scicily?

[Joso]

http://cinderellastravelshoes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/People-are-everywhere-especially-in-the-morning.jpg

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[Joso]

These images are from this Sikeliot's thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?268295-Do-these-Sicilians-pass-better-in-Spain-the-Levant-or-intermediate
I find it interesting that there seens to be so many dinarids and alpines in Scicily
I thought dinarids were only common in northern Italy and in the Balkans

[TheMaestro]

Anyways those hooked nose in Sicily are not all Dinarid noses but clearly Semitic nose. It is not a secret for some reason there is a jewish influence in southern Italy.

[Sikeliot]

Anyways those hooked nose in Sicily are not all Dinarid noses but clearly Semitic nose. It is not a secret for some reason there is a jewish influence in southern Italy.


Phoenician.

[Joso]

Anyways those hooked nose in Sicily are not all Dinarid noses but clearly Semitic nose. It is not a secret for some reason there is a jewish influence in southern Italy.

Yes, i've heard of the MENA influence in Scicily but many of the persons posted here are clearly dinarid influenced and i am not talking only about the nose, their caracteristics in general seens very dinarid, just look at this guy:

https://previews.123rf.com/images/ilmoro100/ilmoro1001702/ilmoro100170200003/71284431-enna-sicily-italy-march-25-2016-%C3%82%E2%80%93-religious-parade-in-town-of-enna-sicily-for-the-holy-easter-every-.jpg

[TheMaestro]

Phoenician.

Whatever it is I saw already 3 kits, they got like 30-40% Jewish. Even my favorite streamer is from Sicilly and he is like 30% Jewish and he has famous Jewish nose.

[Tooting Carmen]

Honestly, those photos look practically Israeli. And this woman looks strikingly similar to the late Saddam Hussein's mistress, who some time ago I opened a thread about: http://www.baroquesicily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/pretty-blond-copy-420x317.jpg

[ALL]

You guys really should stop getting your ideas from Hollywood.

Look to the ancient Europeans[large nasal bridge].Only sub saharan Africans have almost no Neaderthal[small nasal bridge].
http://r.ddmcdn.com/s_f/o_1/APL/uploads/2015/05/homo-neanderthalensis.jpg

[ALL]

Cherchen mans nasal bridge-


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[ALL]

Detailed carving of Shigir idol shows large nasal bridge.
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[ALL]

Congoid nasal bridge-low-

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[Erronkari]

This case is interesting.
This american actor, John Turturro, is 50% sicilian and 50% pugliese.
It would be interesting to know if his dinaromotphic traits are just of Dinarid influence or Armenoid one...

https://i.imgur.com/PkP3yVL.jpg

[Joso]

Honestly, those photos look practically Israeli. And this woman looks strikingly similar to the late Saddam Hussein's mistress, who some time ago I opened a thread about: http://www.baroquesicily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/pretty-blond-copy-420x317.jpg

lol they don't look Israeli, they look even more northern Italian than Scicilian, bro, they are just dinarids and alpines with some med.

[Joso]

This case is interesting.
This american actor, John Turturro, is 50% sicilian and 50% pugliese.
It would be interesting to know if his dinaromotphic traits are just of Dinarid influence or Armenoid one...

https://i.imgur.com/PkP3yVL.jpg

His nose looks very armenoid

[Joso]

Bump

[Blinddignity]

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/sicily-italy-western-europe-an-elderly-sicilian-man-from-trapani-picture-id529382820



Get this man some sunscreen!

[The Blade]

I see some Dinarids (Dinaro-Meds, too) and Alpines but also other types like Gracile Meds, Armenoids, Arabids.
There's one Atlantid female and one near to CM proper.

[Joso]

I see some Dinarids (Dinaro-Meds, too) and Alpines but also other types like Gracile Meds, Armenoids, Arabids.
There's one Atlantid female and one near to CM proper.

How dinarids and alpines get to Scicily?

[Sikeliot]

I believe much of the so called Alpine in Sicily is Berid, and much of the so called Dinaric is really Armenoid.

[Joso]

I believe much of the so called Alpine in Sicily is Berid, and much of the so called Dinaric is really Armenoid.

Yes, it is possibly too

[Seth MacFarlane]

Yes, i've heard of the MENA influence in Scicily but many of the persons posted here are clearly dinarid influenced and i am not talking only about the nose, their caracteristics in general seens very dinarid, just look at this guy:

https://previews.123rf.com/images/ilmoro100/ilmoro1001702/ilmoro100170200003/71284431-enna-sicily-italy-march-25-2016-%C3%82%E2%80%93-religious-parade-in-town-of-enna-sicily-for-the-holy-easter-every-.jpg

Yea could be dinarid , I can see him as Albanian

[Útrám]

Here's the president of Sicily. I wonder why the upper class is more light-skinned and continental-looking.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Musumeci_-_primo_piano.jpg

[Joso]

Here's the president of Sicily. I wonder why the upper class is more light-skinned and continental-looking.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Musumeci_-_primo_piano.jpg

Nicolo Cristaldi, a Scicilian mayor, is very light too:

http://www.nicolacristaldi.it/images/2.jpg
http://www.teleibs.it/images/stories/Mazara/Cristaldi%20Nicola%204.jpg
http://video2.kronopress.com/tele8/1ab295ad-6b97-46e7-a8dc-fcb2aaeda7f7.jpg

[The Blade]

How dinarids and alpines get to Scicily?
Many Sicilians are quite Greek-like genetically and phenotypically. This could be the reason.
However, they have MENA input, too.

[Papastratosels26]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190115/d7de21766af52e85e4b1ada288ff6339.jpg C. I in Europe

[Tauromachos]

Yes, i've heard of the MENA influence in Scicily but many of the persons posted here are clearly dinarid influenced and i am not talking only about the nose, their caracteristics in general seens very dinarid, just look at this guy:

https://previews.123rf.com/images/ilmoro100/ilmoro1001702/ilmoro100170200003/71284431-enna-sicily-italy-march-25-2016-%C3%82%E2%80%93-religious-parade-in-town-of-enna-sicily-for-the-holy-easter-every-.jpg

This man is not Dinarid but Mediteranean with minor possible Dinarid influence

Of course there are real Alpines and Dinarics in Sicily

This video is an example of a mainly Alpine CM looking Sicilian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dvSCDEILaU

[Papastratosels26]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190115/d7de21766af52e85e4b1ada288ff6339.jpg C. I in EuropeSicily is in majority Dolicho cephalic range.

[Joso]

Sicily is in majority Dolicho cephalic range.

I know, this why i asked how alpines and dinarids get there

[Papastratosels26]

I know, this why i asked how alpines and dinarids get thereMigrations from other places. Especially from North Italy.

[Joso]

This man is not Dinarid but Mediteranean with minor possible Dinarid influence

Of course there are real Alpines and Dinarics in Sicily

This video is an example of a mainly Alpine CM looking Sicilian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dvSCDEILaU

He looks baltid or baltid+alpine

[Tauromachos]

He looks baltid or baltid+alpine

He could pass as Pole if that is what you mean,yeah

[Tauromachos]

Many Sicilians are quite Greek-like genetically and phenotypically. This could be the reason.

This but many Greeks themselves don't look Dinaric or Alpine also




However, they have MENA input, too.

Yes
But you don't need Mena input to not look Dinaric or Alpine

[The Blade]

This but many Greeks themselves don't look Dinaric or Alpine also




Yes
But you don't need Mena input to not look Dinaric or Alpine
Both are true.
I meant dinarization element probably has origin from Southeastern Europe.

[Tauromachos]

Both are true.
I meant dinarization element probably has origin from Southeastern Europe.

Ι don't know if Dinarization has a specific origin

But Dinaricized or Dinaric types existed among Ancient Greeks and Romans

[Joso]

Ι don't know if Dinarization has a specific origin

But Dinaricized or Dinaric types existed among Ancient Greeks and Romans

Dinarids are from the Dinaric alps

[Tauromachos]

Dinarids are from the Dinaric alps

I don't think all Dinaric looking people hail from Dinaric Alps

[Joso]

I don't think all Dinaric looking people hail from Dinaric Alps

Of course, dinarids can be found in many places but dinarids originated in the Dinaric alps

[Tauromachos]

dinarids originated in the Dinaric alps

I don't believe it

[The Blade]

Ι don't know if Dinarization has a specific origin

But Dinaricized or Dinaric types existed among Ancient Greeks and Romans
I meant specifically among Caucasoids.
Dinaric-South subclade originated in West Balkans, with Dinaric-North origin being debated to be Balkan or Central European.
It's exactly Balkans and after that Central Europe that have the highest amount of these haplogroup subclades and phenotypically the most Dinarids and Norids.
You are right about ancient Greeks and Romans having Dinaric/Dinaro-Med phenotypes among them.

[Tauromachos]

I meant specifically among Caucasoids.
Dinaric-South subclade originated in West Balkans, with Dinaric-North origin being debated to be Balkan or Central European.
It's exactly Balkans and after that Central Europe that have the highest amount of these haplogroup subclades and phenotypically the most Dinarids and Norids.
You are right about ancient Greeks and Romans having Dinaric/Dinaro-Med phenotypes among them.


I don't think that Dinaric subclades is one to one correlated with Dinaric phenotype

Dinaric type have in common basic morphological traits

Other than that they don't even have to look very similar

Here for example both are textbook examples of Dinarids

The first man looks more Central European or West Balkan
the second man looks South Italian
https://i.imgur.com/qgfsz7K.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/P3bNkAA.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/o871QB7.jpg

[The Blade]

I don't think that Dinaric subclades is one to one correlated with Dinaric phenotype
Well, after certain mixing in various areas of the European continent and West Asia it isn't and on individual level haplogroup tells very little to nothing about one's origins.
However, comparing nations is different. It's normal that West Balkans have highest rates of I2a-Din and Dinaric/dinaricized phenotypes.

[Tauromachos]

Well, after certain mixing in various areas of the European continent and West Asia it isn't and on individual level haplogroup tells very little to nothing about one's origins.
However, comparing nations is different. It's normal that West Balkans have highest rates of I2a-Din and Dinaric/dinaricized phenotypes.

I get where you coming from
There is high Dinaric frequency in West Balkans where I2a-Din is high

But generally speaking i don't think people of the same haplogroup have a particular common look.

Would you think all EV13 for example have the same type?

If consider EV13 people in South East Europe for example some of them will be Meds/Pontids
some will be Alpine and some will be Dinarics,probably

[The Blade]

I don't think that Dinaric subclades is one to one correlated with Dinaric phenotype

Dinaric type have in common basic morphological traits

Other than that they don't even have to look very similar

Here for example both are textbook examples of Dinarids
https://i.imgur.com/qgfsz7K.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/P3bNkAA.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/o871QB7.jpg
That's just natural variation every phenotype has.
One below has flatter occiput and slightly more convex nose. Both looks exist in my city and they can pass as the same nationality (be it Italian, Bulgarian, Serb, Hungarian, etc.).
Other than that, both are obviously brachycephalic, with broad sloping foreheads, and convex nose forms.