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renaissance12

11-29-2018, 01:47 PM

Buddha 566 ( or +/- 600 ) B.C. - 486 B.C. Earliest religious written manuscripts 150 A.D.

650 years GAP...

Joso

11-29-2018, 01:50 PM

Buddha 566 ( or +/- 600 ) B.C. - 486 B.C. Earliest religious written manuscripts 150 A.D.

650 years GAP...

Yes, otherwise we would not know that he existed and was a Scythian, there are even statues that show how he looked

renaissance12

11-29-2018, 01:58 PM

Yes, otherwise we would not know that he existed and was a Scythian, there are even statues that show how he looked

How old are that statues ?....................

Aodhan

11-29-2018, 02:03 PM

Which Buddha?

Joso

11-29-2018, 02:04 PM

How old are that statues ?....................

920.000.000 BC

Aodhan

11-29-2018, 02:13 PM

renaissance12

11-29-2018, 02:31 PM

If you christians researched the same amount of time you spent talking shit you would know that Buddhism, Jainism and other relegions were always passed VERBALLY to its disciples, so it could be even older than we think

It is a historical question... Have you got an answer or not ? Verbal means nothing.. In Africa there is a tribe that claim they come from Orion..

renaissance12

11-29-2018, 02:33 PM

920.000.000 BC

Before Jurassic park there was Buddha...

Aodhan

11-29-2018, 02:48 PM

It is a historical question... Have you got an answer or not ? Verbal means nothing.. In Africa there is a tribe that claim they come from Orion..

If you christians researched the same amount of time you spent talking shit you would know that ~insert answer~

renaissance12

11-29-2018, 03:17 PM

If you christians researched the same amount of time you spent talking shit you would know that ~insert answer~

Have you got an idea of what a historical proof is or not ? It is only a question..Nobody force you to answer..

Loki

11-29-2018, 08:38 PM

Buddha 566 ( or +/- 600 ) B.C. - 486 B.C. Earliest religious written manuscripts 150 A.D.

650 years GAP...

Siddharta Gautama probably existed, but he was just a normal human being, and he is likely in hell now.

Loki

11-29-2018, 08:39 PM

If you christians researched the same amount of time you spent talking shit you would know that Buddhism, Jainism and other relegions were always passed VERBALLY to its disciples, so it could be even older than we think

It doesn't matter how old they are, they are all false religions that will lead you to hell.

Aodhan

11-29-2018, 09:27 PM

It doesn't matter how old they are, they are all false religions that will lead you to hell.

see you there then

Aodhan

11-29-2018, 09:42 PM

literally 3 minutes on google
http://press.nationalgeographic.com/2013/11/25/birth_of_buddha/
https://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/news/00000144-0a1d-d3cb-a96c-7b1d45840000
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/666
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/01/buddha-birth-archaeology-nepal-durham
https://www.archaeology.org/issues/162-features/top10/2786-nepal-lumbini-oldest-buddhist-shrine
https://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion-guest-authors/ancient-persian-inscriptions-link-babylonian-king-man-who-became-buddha-003001
https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/religious-roots-buddhas-birthplace-traced-back-2-600-years-2D11648772

tipirneni

11-29-2018, 09:49 PM

tipirneni

11-29-2018, 10:10 PM

Reliquaries found in Gudiwada, Andhra, India near capital area

in British Museum London
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Gudiwada_Reliquaries_%28BM%29.JPG

Big Stupas found in the area. Big statue of Buddha there in Amaravati
https://s3.ap-southeast-1.amazonaws.com/cdn.deccanchronicle.com/sites/default/files/Tourism_0.jpg

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/ar325buddhistlecture2-130208170329-phpapp02/95/buddhist-archiectute-22-638.jpg?cb=1360343247

Loki

11-29-2018, 10:35 PM

see you there then

No, you'll have to go alone. I won't be going there. I am saved by the blood of Jesus.

Dick

11-29-2018, 10:59 PM

and was a Scythian

Probably. Buddha means awakened in Slavic languages.

On Slavic connections with… Buddha?

Name and physical characteristics:
Buddha means “awakened” and the only cognate in all Indo-European languages is the Slavic word “budan”, with the same meaning. Buda is also a Slavic personal name, together with names Budimir and Budimka. (male and female form)

https://cogniarchae.com/2016/01/15/on-slavic-connections-with-buddha/

Faklon

11-29-2018, 11:09 PM

Buddha is supposed to be a paradigm, not an idol so it's unimportant if he really existed. Historians put the development of early Budhism from Sramana schools as far as the 8th-10th century BC when there is no definite evindence of the existence of Gautama in the 5th century BC.

literally 3 minutes on google
http://press.nationalgeographic.com/2013/11/25/birth_of_buddha/
https://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/news/00000144-0a1d-d3cb-a96c-7b1d45840000
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/666
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/01/buddha-birth-archaeology-nepal-durham
https://www.archaeology.org/issues/162-features/top10/2786-nepal-lumbini-oldest-buddhist-shrine
https://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion-guest-authors/ancient-persian-inscriptions-link-babylonian-king-man-who-became-buddha-003001
https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/religious-roots-buddhas-birthplace-traced-back-2-600-years-2D11648772

All are assumptions.

Joso

11-30-2018, 12:06 AM

https://blog.britishmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/xSocial-Web-Amaravati-crop.jpg.pagespeed.ic.DVb5TCF3jq.webp

Is it a Buddha statue in the centre of the image?

Smeagol

11-30-2018, 12:15 AM

He existed but he was a wicked individual who led men astray.

tipirneni

11-30-2018, 12:22 AM

Is it a Buddha statue in the centre of the image?
Yes. Buddihist literature consist of rich set of stories called Jataka & a lot of philosophy. These Stupas had these stories from Jataka & life story of Buddhist shown on all these artifacts & were built all over Asia. Buddhist Councils (until now 6 held) had monks from all over Asia discuss these philosophies.

renaissance12

11-30-2018, 07:11 AM

There are huge number of relics & artifacts found near my home town Gudiwada & Amaravati from 450BC to 350 AD one of the early centers of Buddhist thought

https://eprints.soas.ac.uk/29332/1/10731427.pdf

https://blog.britishmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/xSocial-Web-Amaravati-crop.jpg.pagespeed.ic.DVb5TCF3jq.webp
https://blog.britishmuseum.org/the-power-of-patronage/

Some in British Museum London https://www.britishmuseum.org/visiting/galleries/asia/room_33a_amaravati.aspx

https://www.britishmuseum.org/images/ps245458_l.jpg

III century A.D... 750 years after the Death of "Buddha"......and it is a "religious" bas-relief

Atheist don't accept as historical proofs any religious test or "anything that is "religious...

The first non religious "proof" of Buddha date back to IV century A.D.. and they are Christian's Monk witness regard Buddhism

What struck me in India ( apart poor people everywhere) was the fact that there are very few archeologic buildings-statue-temple older than 1500 years..

In Pakistan there are some old walls city foundations dating back to Indo civilization 4.000 year ago...

Regnera

11-30-2018, 07:25 AM

Which Buddha?

He meant Gautama,I guess

Regnera

11-30-2018, 07:26 AM

He existed but he was a wicked individual who led men astray.

Some genres of Hinduism think so

Regnera

11-30-2018, 07:27 AM

Sure Buddha had existed,and he was one of the greatest people lived(so was Jesus)

renaissance12

11-30-2018, 07:36 AM

Sure Buddha had existed,and he was one of the greatest people lived(so was Jesus)

I think that Buddha had existed.. but the oldest historical "proofs" of Buddha date back to II-III century A.D. and they are "religious" test.
Some atheist don't consider Saint Mark Gospel and Saint Paul letter as "historical" proofs....of Jesus existence....but they are "angry" because there other historical non religious proofs dating back 50-70 years after the Death of Jesus..

Aodhan

11-30-2018, 11:59 AM

No, you'll have to go alone. I won't be going there. I am saved by the blood of Jesus.

thats a damn unfortunate, i was hoping we could have beer and hookers together in hell

Loki

11-30-2018, 12:54 PM

thats a damn unfortunate, i was hoping we could have beer and hookers together in hell

Newsflash: there are no parties in hell -- only pain, sorrow, torment, wailing and horrifying cries for help. And many huge demons to kick your butt the whole time long, if/when the flames are not consuming your flesh. And yes, when your flesh rots and burns off, is torn off by demons, it grows back again in hell... and you live and die all over again... ad infinitum. There are no words to describe that torment, buddy... better get right with Jesus.

Loki

11-30-2018, 01:00 PM

Sure Buddha had existed,and he was one of the greatest people lived(so was Jesus)

Buddha and Jesus cannot be compared with each other. Buddha was a normal human who lived and died. Jesus was God who became born in human form, to redeem the world through his death and shedding of blood -- which he did on the cross, reconciled humankind to God, and after three days in the grave, he was resurrected from the dead, and thereby became the first of many to follow -- believers look forward to the day of resurrection when their bodies will also be raised from death, and be clothed with immortality like Jesus.

Decius

11-30-2018, 01:00 PM

Siddharta Gautama probably existed, but he was just a normal human being, and he is likely in hell now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfYiBTeMZ6o

Loki

11-30-2018, 01:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfYiBTeMZ6o

Yeah... this is an amazing testimony.

tipirneni

11-30-2018, 02:17 PM

III century A.D... 750 years after the Death of "Buddha"......and it is a "religious" bas-relief

Atheist don't accept as historical proofs any religious test or "anything that is "religious...

The first non religious "proof" of Buddha date back to IV century A.D.. and they are Christian's Monk witness regard Buddhism

What struck me in India ( apart poor people everywhere) was the fact that there are very few archeologic buildings-statue-temple older than 1500 years..

In Pakistan there are some old walls city foundations dating back to Indo civilization 4.000 year ago...

There are Stupas dating to 300 BC immediatly after Buddhist council & Emperor Ashoka who converted most population in Asia in least amount of time. Later his generals like Andhras furthered the Buddhist traditions until 300 CE.

https://www.culturalindia.net/iliimages/Sanchi-Stupa-ili-30-img-1.jpg
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/ashoka-lion-pillar-and-buddhist-stupa-at-vaishali-bihar-india-picture-id520764914
https://www.culturalindia.net/monuments/sanchi-stupa.html

https://www.culturalindia.net/monuments/dhamekh-stupa.html

http://www.southreport.com/15-buddhist-sites-in-andhra-pradesh/

Emperor Ashoka from part Sakyan (early Scythian) lineage. During his lifetime he spread Buddhism in Asia within a generation. No body else in any other religion could match that that much coverage in area or number of people within short time frame in Human History. The artifacts from 225 BC are still national symbols in India associated with ancient Indian thinking from Iron age.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-o05zsa803Io/Vr3BO-5KcQI/AAAAAAAABHg/824-rxPHDo4/s1600/maurya-colgppt-17-638.jpg
https://image1.slideserve.com/2811319/ashoka-buddhist-emperor-of-mauryan-empire-india-269-to-232-bce-l.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bjg64wqSjQg/VK2IWMZVOFI/AAAAAAAAAFY/xyFRxSrNjiI/s1600/spread%2Bof%2Bbuddhism%2Bfrom%2Bindia.jpg

renaissance12

12-01-2018, 06:44 AM

The stupa is just a mound of earth sometime covered with bricks like Sanchi Stupa that has been completely rebuilt.. There is no 2000 years old brick left.

A old Stupa is a primitive "construction".. not a building.

Sanchi Stupa in India is not a Dome or a building...

Domes are elaborate and free standing structures acting as roofs for buildings.

..

A building is something like this..without any reconstruction..

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Einblick_Panorama_Pantheon_Rom.jpg/800px-Einblick_Panorama_Pantheon_Rom.jpg

Aodhan

12-01-2018, 01:42 PM

Newsflash: there are no parties in hell -- only pain, sorrow, torment, wailing and horrifying cries for help. And many huge demons to kick your butt the whole time long, if/when the flames are not consuming your flesh. And yes, when your flesh rots and burns off, is torn off by demons, it grows back again in hell... and you live and die all over again... ad infinitum. There are no words to describe that torment, buddy... better get right with Jesus.

wow
its even better than i expected

Loki

12-01-2018, 03:59 PM

wow
its even better than i expected

It's far worse than my description.. words are inadequate to describe it.

tipirneni

12-01-2018, 04:15 PM

renaissance12

12-03-2018, 06:35 AM

Stupas of 2000 year old are relatively primitive brick structures as you see in Getty image previous post. There are some marble & stone structures but not as Grand as those from 400 CE.

Sanchi Stupa North gate ( only the marme gates are 2000 years old )..nice but not sophisticated ...

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00routesdata/bce_199_100/sanchi/sanchinorth/sanchinorth1.jpg

tipirneni

12-03-2018, 04:04 PM

Sanchi Stupa North gate ( only the marme gates are 2000 years old )..nice but not sophisticated ...

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00routesdata/bce_199_100/sanchi/sanchinorth/sanchinorth1.jpg

It is completely Indian structure with mostly Indian symbols like Elephant, asiatic lion, people in Indian clothing doesn't look Greek like Indo-bactrian greek artifacts nor like Roman influence in Amaravati marble doors but probably more similar to Indus Valley. These gates were built to display stories from Buddhist literature & were popular as the gates of stupas.

The older Indian structure were mostly made of Bricks or Huge Timber (teak) stalls. The city of Pataliputra from Iron Age (1200BC) in Gangetic plain was mostly Timber with brick and stone foundations. None of those timber exist now. Only the brick structures show up. The Indus Valley cities (6000BC to 1500BC) have vast brick structures that had halls built from Timber which Stupas probably were based out of.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VQ1p01QDTvE/Wn7ccGSK8LI/AAAAAAAARJA/B47DIAQ749c-cazy-XxIFsVeoOTqGRc_gCLcBGAs/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/Indus%2BValley%2BCivilization%2BIndian%2BHistory%2 BStudy%2BNotes.jpg

http://glimpsesofhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/image-9.jpg

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/indusvalleycivilization-130918012102-phpapp01/95/indus-valley-civilization-12-638.jpg?cb=1379467353

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiopMBDUgAALPw5.jpg