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Some of them overlap with the northernmost-plotting islanders.

Patras:


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.11
2 West_Med 15.53
3 West_Asian 14.28
4 Baltic 13.89
5 Atlantic 12.64
6 North_Sea 9.88
7 Eastern_Euro 7.98
8 Red_Sea 2.56
9 Oceanian 0.78
10 Southeast_Asian 0.28
11 Sub-Saharan 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 4.14
2 Greek_Thessaly 5.83
3 Bulgarian 7.21
4 Central_Greek 8.77
5 Ashkenazi 9.82
6 Italian_Abruzzo 10.05
7 Romanian 10.05
8 East_Sicilian 10.3
9 West_Sicilian 11.99
10 Tuscan 12.26
11 South_Italian 12.26
12 Serbian 14.11
13 North_Italian 16.5
14 Italian_Jewish 16.76
15 Sephardic_Jewish 17.28
16 Algerian_Jewish 17.81
17 Moldavian 18.15
18 Croatian 20.35
19 Tunisian_Jewish 20.94
20 Turkish 21.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.8% Bulgarian + 24.2% Cyprian @ 2.2
2 81.5% Bulgarian + 18.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.88
3 81.1% Bulgarian + 18.9% Samaritan @ 3.06
4 77.7% Central_Greek + 22.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.19
5 87.2% Greek + 12.8% Moldavian @ 3.2
6 91.6% Greek + 8.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.21
7 92.6% Greek + 7.4% Erzya @ 3.22
8 71.7% Greek + 28.3% Bulgarian @ 3.27
9 92.1% Greek + 7.9% Southwest_Russian @ 3.28
10 91.1% Greek + 8.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.28
11 55.9% Bulgarian + 44.1% Central_Greek @ 3.29
12 78.9% Bulgarian + 21.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.3
13 93% Greek + 7% Tabassaran @ 3.3
14 92.8% Greek + 7.2% Lezgin @ 3.3
15 78.2% Central_Greek + 21.8% Southwest_Russian @ 3.31
16 82.4% Bulgarian + 17.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.32
17 80.8% Central_Greek + 19.2% Lithuanian @ 3.32
18 93.3% Greek + 6.7% Lithuanian @ 3.33
19 82.3% Bulgarian + 17.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.34
20 91.7% Greek + 8.3% Ukrainian @ 3.35


Achaea:


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.39
2 Atlantic 18.57
3 West_Med 16.66
4 West_Asian 15.93
5 Baltic 12.63
6 Eastern_Euro 7.64
7 North_Sea 3.62
8 Red_Sea 1.84
9 Oceanian 0.48
10 Northeast_African 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 6.08
2 Central_Greek 10.62
3 Italian_Abruzzo 10.86
4 Bulgarian 11.23
5 Greek_Thessaly 11.69
6 West_Sicilian 11.75
7 East_Sicilian 11.81
8 South_Italian 12.54
9 Ashkenazi 12.87
10 Tuscan 13.15
11 Romanian 14.35
12 Sephardic_Jewish 16.8
13 North_Italian 17.21
14 Italian_Jewish 17.35
15 Algerian_Jewish 17.67
16 Serbian 18.12
17 Tunisian_Jewish 20.55
18 Turkish 21.08
19 Cyprian 21.57
20 Moldavian 22.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.6% Greek + 6.4% North_Ossetian @ 5.56
2 93.4% Greek + 6.6% Adygei @ 5.59
3 93.2% Greek + 6.8% Kabardin @ 5.6
4 93.4% Greek + 6.6% Balkar @ 5.6
5 94.6% Greek + 5.4% Abhkasian @ 5.62
6 94.5% Greek + 5.5% Georgian @ 5.68
7 94.4% Greek + 5.6% Ossetian @ 5.7
8 94.4% Greek + 5.6% Chechen @ 5.71
9 94.3% Greek + 5.7% Kumyk @ 5.81
10 95.3% Greek + 4.7% Lezgin @ 5.85
11 95.5% Greek + 4.5% Nogay @ 5.91
12 93.6% Greek + 6.4% Turkish @ 5.92
13 95.5% Greek + 4.5% Kurdish @ 5.93
14 95.4% Greek + 4.6% Azeri @ 5.96
15 96.9% Greek + 3.1% Tabassaran @ 5.97
16 96.6% Greek + 3.4% Iranian @ 5.99
17 96.7% Greek + 3.3% Georgian_Jewish @ 6
18 97.7% Greek + 2.3% Balochi @ 6
19 96.8% Greek + 3.2% Armenian @ 6
20 97.8% Greek + 2.2% Brahui @ 6.01



Arcadia:


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.14
2 Atlantic 18.55
3 West_Med 13.37
4 West_Asian 13.08
5 North_Sea 10.75
6 Baltic 9.54
7 Red_Sea 6.32
8 Eastern_Euro 5.83
9 Southeast_Asian 1.16
10 Oceanian 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo 6.42
2 Greek 6.54
3 Tuscan 8.3
4 Greek_Thessaly 8.35
5 West_Sicilian 8.42
6 Central_Greek 8.61
7 East_Sicilian 9
8 Ashkenazi 9.1
9 Bulgarian 9.39
10 Romanian 11.05
11 South_Italian 11.43
12 North_Italian 12.99
13 Serbian 14
14 Sephardic_Jewish 15.06
15 Italian_Jewish 15.13
16 Algerian_Jewish 16.55
17 Spanish_Extremadura 19.11
18 Tunisian_Jewish 19.31
19 Spanish_Murcia 19.51
20 Portuguese 19.53

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 15.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.97
2 85.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 14.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.98
3 85.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 14.8% Belorussian @ 3.02
4 86.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 13.4% Lithuanian @ 3.16
5 84.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 15.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.17
6 84.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 15.2% Southwest_Russian @ 3.18
7 84.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 15.4% Polish @ 3.32
8 57.3% Sephardic_Jewish + 42.7% Austrian @ 3.33
9 79.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 20.4% Croatian @ 3.45
10 85.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 14.1% La_Brana-1 @ 3.48
11 83.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 16.2% South_Polish @ 3.48
12 86.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 13.9% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.52
13 86.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 13.2% Erzya @ 3.62
14 78.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 21.2% Austrian @ 3.63
15 62.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 37.9% Bulgarian @ 3.64
16 86.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 13.1% Estonian @ 3.65
17 84% Italian_Abruzzo + 16% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.69
18 66.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 33.5% Romanian @ 3.72
19 84.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 15.5% Ukrainian @ 3.73
20 58.4% Romanian + 41.6% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.78



Messinia:


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.84
2 West_Med 20.22
3 West_Asian 15.37
4 North_Sea 12.67
5 Atlantic 12.2
6 Baltic 9.56
7 Eastern_Euro 4.62
8 Red_Sea 3.02
9 Oceanian 0.94
10 Siberian 0.49
11 Amerindian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 4.87
2 Greek 6.69
3 Central_Greek 7.04
4 Italian_Abruzzo 8.01
5 East_Sicilian 8.34
6 Tuscan 9.04
7 Ashkenazi 9.67
8 South_Italian 10.22
9 West_Sicilian 10.37
10 Bulgarian 11.02
11 Romanian 12.89
12 North_Italian 13.66
13 Italian_Jewish 15.11
14 Serbian 16.34
15 Sephardic_Jewish 16.42
16 Algerian_Jewish 16.63
17 Tunisian_Jewish 20.51
18 Portuguese 20.7
19 Spanish_Galicia 20.94
20 Libyan_Jewish 21.01

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.4% Greek_Thessaly + 5.6% Abhkasian @ 4.22
2 93.7% Greek_Thessaly + 6.3% Ossetian @ 4.25
3 94% Greek_Thessaly + 6% Georgian @ 4.27
4 92.8% Greek_Thessaly + 7.2% Sardinian @ 4.28
5 93.5% Greek_Thessaly + 6.5% Balkar @ 4.29
6 94.3% Greek_Thessaly + 5.7% North_Ossetian @ 4.34
7 94% Greek_Thessaly + 6% Kabardin @ 4.39
8 94.2% Greek_Thessaly + 5.8% Adygei @ 4.39
9 72.4% Greek_Thessaly + 27.6% Central_Greek @ 4.4
10 94.7% Greek_Thessaly + 5.3% Chechen @ 4.46
11 77.7% Greek_Thessaly + 22.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.49
12 94.2% Greek_Thessaly + 5.8% Kumyk @ 4.53
13 84% Greek_Thessaly + 16% South_Italian @ 4.55
14 94.4% Greek_Thessaly + 5.6% Armenian @ 4.59
15 95.5% Greek_Thessaly + 4.5% Lezgin @ 4.62
16 83.4% Greek_Thessaly + 16.6% Tuscan @ 4.62
17 81.9% Greek_Thessaly + 18.1% East_Sicilian @ 4.63
18 93.5% Greek_Thessaly + 6.5% Turkish @ 4.65
19 95.4% Greek_Thessaly + 4.6% Nogay @ 4.65
20 96% Greek_Thessaly + 4% Tabassaran @ 4.67


Messinia:


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.17
2 West_Med 17.83
3 North_Sea 13.14
4 West_Asian 11.72
5 Atlantic 11.14
6 Baltic 10.79
7 Eastern_Euro 5.22
8 Red_Sea 5
9 Siberian 0.58
10 Southeast_Asian 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 2.6
2 Greek 6.08
3 Central_Greek 6.34
4 Ashkenazi 6.81
5 East_Sicilian 7.11
6 Italian_Abruzzo 7.96
7 West_Sicilian 9.31
8 South_Italian 9.49
9 Tuscan 9.59
10 Bulgarian 10.88
11 Romanian 12.73
12 Italian_Jewish 13.08
13 Sephardic_Jewish 14.51
14 Algerian_Jewish 14.55
15 North_Italian 14.75
16 Serbian 15.88
17 Tunisian_Jewish 18.3
18 Libyan_Jewish 18.37
19 Cyprian 19.88
20 Moldavian 20.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.8% Greek_Thessaly + 13.2% Italian_Jewish @ 1.7
2 88% Greek_Thessaly + 12% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.7
3 92.9% Greek_Thessaly + 7.1% Samaritan @ 1.7
4 95.4% Greek_Thessaly + 4.6% Yemenite_Jewish @ 1.75
5 90.5% Greek_Thessaly + 9.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.76
6 90.6% Greek_Thessaly + 9.4% Libyan_Jewish @ 1.77
7 93.5% Greek_Thessaly + 6.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.78
8 88.4% Greek_Thessaly + 11.6% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.78
9 91.4% Greek_Thessaly + 8.6% Cyprian @ 1.8
10 93.6% Greek_Thessaly + 6.4% Palestinian @ 1.83
11 94.1% Greek_Thessaly + 5.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.91
12 95.6% Greek_Thessaly + 4.4% Saudi @ 1.91
13 78.9% Greek_Thessaly + 21.1% Ashkenazi @ 1.92
14 93.8% Greek_Thessaly + 6.2% Jordanian @ 1.96
15 94.1% Greek_Thessaly + 5.9% Bedouin @ 1.97
16 94.7% Greek_Thessaly + 5.3% Egyptian @ 2.01
17 80.6% Greek_Thessaly + 19.4% East_Sicilian @ 2.02
18 85.1% Greek_Thessaly + 14.9% South_Italian @ 2.03
19 78.9% Greek_Thessaly + 21.1% Central_Greek @ 2.05
20 93.6% Greek_Thessaly + 6.4% Syrian @ 2.05


Mani:


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 25.93
2 West_Asian 14.84
3 West_Med 14.09
4 Atlantic 14.06
5 Baltic 12.67
6 North_Sea 7.6
7 Eastern_Euro 5.94
8 Red_Sea 4.13
9 Southeast_Asian 0.38
10 Oceanian 0.18
11 Amerindian 0.14
12 South_Asian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 4.61
2 Central_Greek 6.6
3 Ashkenazi 7.83
4 Greek_Thessaly 7.87
5 East_Sicilian 7.94
6 Italian_Abruzzo 8.31
7 South_Italian 9.25
8 West_Sicilian 9.98
9 Bulgarian 10.86
10 Tuscan 12.6
11 Sephardic_Jewish 13.47
12 Italian_Jewish 13.6
13 Romanian 13.63
14 Algerian_Jewish 14.53
15 Tunisian_Jewish 17.05
16 Serbian 17.56
17 Cyprian 17.9
18 North_Italian 18.01
19 Turkish 18.63
20 Libyan_Jewish 19.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.6% Bulgarian + 37.4% Cyprian @ 2.28
2 87.5% Greek + 12.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.75
3 87% Greek + 13% Assyrian @ 2.84
4 88.2% Greek + 11.8% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.92
5 87.7% Greek + 12.3% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.92
6 85.1% Greek + 14.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.97
7 70.9% Bulgarian + 29.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.01
8 88.4% Greek + 11.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.1
9 86.2% Greek + 13.8% Syrian @ 3.12
10 88.4% Greek + 11.6% Kurdish @ 3.15
11 88.9% Greek + 11.1% Iranian @ 3.16
12 88.5% Greek + 11.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.22
13 84.9% Greek + 15.1% Turkish @ 3.25
14 87.4% Greek + 12.6% Azeri @ 3.27
15 88.9% Greek + 11.1% Armenian @ 3.28
16 88.2% Greek + 11.8% Jordanian @ 3.3
17 88.7% Greek + 11.3% Palestinian @ 3.3
18 70.1% Bulgarian + 29.9% Samaritan @ 3.31
19 57.5% Cyprian + 42.5% Croatian @ 3.42
20 88.7% Greek + 11.3% Samaritan @ 3.42



Laconia:


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.59
2 West_Med 17.5
3 West_Asian 17.04
4 Atlantic 13.78
5 North_Sea 13.48
6 Baltic 9
7 Eastern_Euro 4
8 Red_Sea 3.35
9 Oceanian 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.48
2 Central_Greek 6.04
3 Italian_Abruzzo 6.04
4 Greek 6.81
5 East_Sicilian 7.53
6 Tuscan 8.82
7 Ashkenazi 9.05
8 South_Italian 9.48
9 West_Sicilian 9.76
10 Bulgarian 10.88
11 Romanian 12.53
12 North_Italian 13.92
13 Italian_Jewish 14.68
14 Sephardic_Jewish 15.64
15 Serbian 16.08
16 Algerian_Jewish 16.52
17 Tunisian_Jewish 19.84
18 Turkish 19.92
19 Libyan_Jewish 20.77
20 Cyprian 20.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.2% Central_Greek + 15.8% East_German @ 3.53
2 90.6% Greek_Thessaly + 9.4% Abhkasian @ 3.67
3 89.7% Greek_Thessaly + 10.3% Georgian @ 3.67
4 71.6% Central_Greek + 28.4% Romanian @ 3.73
5 84.4% Central_Greek + 15.6% West_German @ 3.75
6 89.6% Greek_Thessaly + 10.4% Ossetian @ 3.77
7 82.9% Central_Greek + 17.1% Hungarian @ 3.78
8 87.9% Central_Greek + 12.1% Swedish @ 3.78
9 86.5% Central_Greek + 13.5% North_German @ 3.79
10 88% Central_Greek + 12% Norwegian @ 3.8
11 87.5% Central_Greek + 12.5% North_Dutch @ 3.82
12 86.9% Central_Greek + 13.1% Southwest_English @ 3.83
13 84.8% Central_Greek + 15.2% South_Dutch @ 3.84
14 88.5% Central_Greek + 11.5% West_Norwegian @ 3.84
15 54.4% Greek_Thessaly + 45.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.86
16 88.3% Central_Greek + 11.7% Orcadian @ 3.92
17 90.1% Greek_Thessaly + 9.9% North_Ossetian @ 3.92
18 82.1% Central_Greek + 17.9% Moldavian @ 3.92
19 87.7% Central_Greek + 12.3% Danish @ 3.93
20 88.3% Central_Greek + 11.7% North_Swedish @ 3.96


Corinth:


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.96
2 North_Sea 17.65
3 West_Med 16.76
4 West_Asian 13.08
5 Baltic 7.86
6 Atlantic 7.19
7 Eastern_Euro 5.76
8 Red_Sea 2.37
9 Southeast_Asian 1.31
10 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 8.02
2 Central_Greek 9.33
3 Ashkenazi 9.64
4 East_Sicilian 10.38
5 Italian_Abruzzo 11.18
6 South_Italian 11.63
7 Greek 11.67
8 West_Sicilian 12.92
9 Italian_Jewish 13.84
10 Tuscan 13.97
11 Bulgarian 15.62
12 Algerian_Jewish 15.88
13 Sephardic_Jewish 16.12
14 Romanian 16.7
15 Libyan_Jewish 17.58
16 North_Italian 18.78
17 Serbian 19.14
18 Tunisian_Jewish 19.17
19 Cyprian 19.4
20 Turkish 21.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.4% Greek_Thessaly + 15.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.53
2 85.6% Greek_Thessaly + 14.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 6.84
3 86.6% Greek_Thessaly + 13.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 6.89
4 80% Greek_Thessaly + 20% Libyan_Jewish @ 6.93
5 86.6% Greek_Thessaly + 13.4% Assyrian @ 7.05
6 86.4% Greek_Thessaly + 13.6% Samaritan @ 7.08
7 87.9% Greek_Thessaly + 12.1% Iranian_Jewish @ 7.14
8 83.2% Greek_Thessaly + 16.8% Cyprian @ 7.15
9 85.5% Greek_Thessaly + 14.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 7.2
10 88% Greek_Thessaly + 12% Armenian @ 7.2
11 88% Greek_Thessaly + 12% Palestinian @ 7.24
12 59.8% Cyprian + 40.2% West_German @ 7.27
13 87.8% Greek_Thessaly + 12.2% Jordanian @ 7.29
14 88.7% Greek_Thessaly + 11.3% Georgian_Jewish @ 7.29
15 78.5% Greek_Thessaly + 21.5% Italian_Jewish @ 7.35
16 87.1% Greek_Thessaly + 12.9% Syrian @ 7.36
17 67.2% Cyprian + 32.8% West_Norwegian @ 7.43
18 66.3% Cyprian + 33.7% Norwegian @ 7.44
19 92.9% Greek_Thessaly + 7.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 7.45
20 66.2% Cyprian + 33.8% Swedish @ 7.45


Arcadia:


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.29
2 North_Sea 16.78
3 West_Med 16.53
4 West_Asian 12.74
5 Atlantic 11.81
6 Baltic 7.97
7 Eastern_Euro 4.08
8 Red_Sea 3.85
9 Oceanian 0.64
10 Siberian 0.57
11 South_Asian 0.47
12 Northeast_African 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 4.64
2 Central_Greek 7.01
3 Italian_Abruzzo 7.16
4 East_Sicilian 7.73
5 Ashkenazi 7.95
6 Greek 8.65
7 Tuscan 9.03
8 West_Sicilian 9.41
9 South_Italian 9.92
10 Bulgarian 12.37
11 Italian_Jewish 13.24
12 Romanian 13.42
13 North_Italian 14.12
14 Sephardic_Jewish 15.08
15 Algerian_Jewish 15.38
16 Serbian 16.04
17 Libyan_Jewish 18.49
18 Tunisian_Jewish 18.89
19 Portuguese 20.55
20 Cyprian 20.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.1% Central_Greek + 19.9% West_German @ 3.55
2 85.2% Central_Greek + 14.8% West_Norwegian @ 3.55
3 54.5% Cyprian + 45.5% West_German @ 3.61
4 84.7% Central_Greek + 15.3% Norwegian @ 3.64
5 84.7% Central_Greek + 15.3% Swedish @ 3.65
6 85% Central_Greek + 15% North_Swedish @ 3.83
7 70.4% Greek_Thessaly + 29.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.89
8 78.6% South_Italian + 21.4% North_Swedish @ 4.01
9 84.5% Greek_Thessaly + 15.5% Italian_Jewish @ 4.02
10 78.5% South_Italian + 21.5% Swedish @ 4.1
11 89.3% Greek_Thessaly + 10.7% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.11
12 84.9% Central_Greek + 15.1% North_Dutch @ 4.11
13 85.6% Central_Greek + 14.4% Orcadian @ 4.17
14 78.6% South_Italian + 21.4% Norwegian @ 4.19
15 73.9% Greek_Thessaly + 26.1% Central_Greek @ 4.2
16 93.4% Greek_Thessaly + 6.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.2
17 76.7% Greek_Thessaly + 23.3% East_Sicilian @ 4.2
18 82.4% Greek_Thessaly + 17.6% South_Italian @ 4.23
19 85.1% Central_Greek + 14.9% Danish @ 4.24
20 79% East_Sicilian + 21% West_German @ 4.24


Laconia:


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 25.8
2 West_Asian 14.59
3 West_Med 13.47
4 Baltic 13.04
5 Atlantic 12.3
6 North_Sea 11.36
7 Red_Sea 4.46
8 Eastern_Euro 3.11
9 Northeast_African 1.41
10 Oceanian 0.24
11 Amerindian 0.12
12 Southeast_Asian 0.08
13 Siberian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 6.38
2 Central_Greek 6.67
3 Greek 6.8
4 Ashkenazi 7.39
5 East_Sicilian 7.45
6 Italian_Abruzzo 8.35
7 South_Italian 9.35
8 West_Sicilian 10.52
9 Bulgarian 11.13
10 Tuscan 12.32
11 Romanian 13.3
12 Italian_Jewish 13.45
13 Sephardic_Jewish 14.05
14 Algerian_Jewish 14.94
15 Tunisian_Jewish 17.2
16 Serbian 17.2
17 North_Italian 17.75
18 Libyan_Jewish 18.32
19 Cyprian 18.55
20 Turkish 19.28

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.4% South_Italian + 18.6% Lithuanian @ 3.91
2 70.9% Bulgarian + 29.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.92
3 70% Bulgarian + 30% Samaritan @ 4.02
4 58.9% Romanian + 41.1% Cyprian @ 4.1
5 71.4% Bulgarian + 28.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.11
6 56.5% Cyprian + 43.5% Hungarian @ 4.15
7 63.7% Bulgarian + 36.3% Cyprian @ 4.23
8 66.1% Bulgarian + 33.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.24
9 79.3% South_Italian + 20.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.25
10 87.9% Central_Greek + 12.1% Lithuanian @ 4.25
11 66.8% Romanian + 33.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.3
12 79.7% South_Italian + 20.3% Southwest_Russian @ 4.33
13 65.8% Romanian + 34.2% Samaritan @ 4.33
14 80.5% South_Italian + 19.5% Belorussian @ 4.33
15 77.7% South_Italian + 22.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.38
16 81.7% South_Italian + 18.3% Estonian @ 4.46
17 79.7% South_Italian + 20.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.51
18 86.3% East_Sicilian + 13.7% Lithuanian @ 4.52
19 87.5% Central_Greek + 12.5% Belorussian @ 4.53
20 81.8% Greek_Thessaly + 18.2% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.59



Laconia:


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.13
2 West_Med 17.53
3 West_Asian 17.27
4 Atlantic 11.36
5 Baltic 10.96
6 North_Sea 9.51
7 Red_Sea 3.04
8 Eastern_Euro 1.73
9 Amerindian 0.78
10 Oceanian 0.69

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 4.7
2 East_Sicilian 6.46
3 South_Italian 6.53
4 Greek 7.64
5 Greek_Thessaly 7.94
6 Italian_Abruzzo 8.14
7 Ashkenazi 8.39
8 West_Sicilian 10.4
9 Italian_Jewish 12
10 Sephardic_Jewish 12.79
11 Tuscan 12.8
12 Algerian_Jewish 13.38
13 Bulgarian 14.33
14 Cyprian 15.95
15 Tunisian_Jewish 16.25
16 Romanian 16.8
17 Libyan_Jewish 17.57
18 Turkish 17.86
19 North_Italian 18.66
20 Lebanese_Muslim 19.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.1% Central_Greek + 3.9% North_Ossetian @ 4.48
2 96.7% Central_Greek + 3.3% Abhkasian @ 4.51
3 96.5% Central_Greek + 3.5% Georgian @ 4.52
4 96.4% Central_Greek + 3.6% Adygei @ 4.53
5 96.4% Central_Greek + 3.6% Balkar @ 4.54
6 96.5% Central_Greek + 3.5% Kabardin @ 4.55
7 96.2% Central_Greek + 3.8% Kumyk @ 4.56
8 85.4% Central_Greek + 14.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.57
9 97.1% Central_Greek + 2.9% Chechen @ 4.58
10 97.6% Central_Greek + 2.4% Lithuanian @ 4.59
11 97.2% Central_Greek + 2.8% Ossetian @ 4.59
12 85.9% Central_Greek + 14.1% Greek @ 4.59
13 93.2% Central_Greek + 6.8% Bulgarian @ 4.6
14 96.1% Central_Greek + 3.9% Armenian @ 4.6
15 97.5% Central_Greek + 2.5% Lezgin @ 4.62
16 97.8% Central_Greek + 2.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.63
17 97.6% Central_Greek + 2.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.63
18 98% Central_Greek + 2% Southwest_Russian @ 4.64
19 98.2% Central_Greek + 1.8% Belorussian @ 4.64
20 97.9% Central_Greek + 2.1% Ukrainian @ 4.64


Multiple regions:


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 25.45
2 West_Med 18.81
3 West_Asian 16.01
4 North_Sea 13.81
5 Atlantic 8.95
6 Baltic 8.25
7 Red_Sea 4.13
8 Eastern_Euro 3.16
9 Southeast_Asian 1.13
10 Oceanian 0.26
11 South_Asian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 5.42
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.26
3 East_Sicilian 6.69
4 Ashkenazi 7.58
5 South_Italian 8.12
6 Italian_Abruzzo 8.18
7 Greek 9.2
8 West_Sicilian 10.69
9 Tuscan 11.72
10 Italian_Jewish 12.15
11 Sephardic_Jewish 13.88
12 Algerian_Jewish 14.12
13 Bulgarian 14.55
14 Romanian 16.24
15 Libyan_Jewish 17.14
16 North_Italian 17.29
17 Tunisian_Jewish 17.52
18 Cyprian 17.65
19 Turkish 19.32
20 Serbian 19.57

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.8% Greek_Thessaly + 16.2% Armenian @ 4.04
2 84% Greek_Thessaly + 16% Assyrian @ 4.27
3 79% Greek_Thessaly + 21% Cyprian @ 4.29
4 84.8% Greek_Thessaly + 15.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.32
5 85.3% Greek_Thessaly + 14.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.34
6 58.5% Central_Greek + 41.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.41
7 85% Greek_Thessaly + 15% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.49
8 82.6% Greek_Thessaly + 17.4% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.6
9 61.3% Greek_Thessaly + 38.7% South_Italian @ 4.63
10 86.4% Greek_Thessaly + 13.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.71
11 85.1% Greek_Thessaly + 14.9% Samaritan @ 4.71
12 86.5% Greek_Thessaly + 13.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.79
13 83.9% Greek_Thessaly + 16.1% Syrian @ 4.83
14 53.9% Greek_Thessaly + 46.1% East_Sicilian @ 4.9
15 82.9% Greek_Thessaly + 17.1% Turkish @ 4.94
16 74.3% Greek_Thessaly + 25.7% Italian_Jewish @ 4.95
17 81.2% Greek_Thessaly + 18.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.98
18 93.9% Central_Greek + 6.1% West_German @ 5.09
19 95.3% Central_Greek + 4.7% Swedish @ 5.11
20 95.5% Central_Greek + 4.5% West_Norwegian @ 5.11


Laconia:


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.23
2 West_Med 14.68
3 North_Sea 13.16
4 West_Asian 12.93
5 Baltic 11.03
6 Atlantic 10.39
7 Eastern_Euro 8.04
8 Red_Sea 2.75
9 Amerindian 0.42
10 South_Asian 0.3
11 Southeast_Asian 0.05
12 Siberian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.3
2 Greek 6.7
3 Central_Greek 7.54
4 Ashkenazi 7.62
5 East_Sicilian 8.99
6 Italian_Abruzzo 9.31
7 South_Italian 10.79
8 Bulgarian 10.85
9 West_Sicilian 11.09
10 Tuscan 12.55
11 Romanian 12.67
12 Italian_Jewish 14.14
13 Sephardic_Jewish 15.31
14 Algerian_Jewish 15.61
15 Serbian 15.79
16 North_Italian 17.5
17 Tunisian_Jewish 18.73
18 Libyan_Jewish 18.89
19 Cyprian 19.34
20 Turkish 20.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.3% Cyprian + 45.7% Hungarian @ 3.47
2 87.9% Greek_Thessaly + 12.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.88
3 55.3% Serbian + 44.7% Cyprian @ 4.02
4 89.3% Greek_Thessaly + 10.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.19
5 89.4% Greek_Thessaly + 10.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.2
6 88.8% Greek_Thessaly + 11.2% Assyrian @ 4.23
7 51.6% Cyprian + 48.4% Moldavian @ 4.28
8 89.4% Greek_Thessaly + 10.6% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.31
9 61.3% Romanian + 38.7% Cyprian @ 4.34
10 60.5% Cyprian + 39.5% Ukrainian @ 4.35
11 87.7% Greek_Thessaly + 12.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.37
12 90% Greek_Thessaly + 10% Kurdish @ 4.39
13 90% Greek_Thessaly + 10% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.39
14 58.7% Cyprian + 41.3% East_German @ 4.4
15 68.9% Romanian + 31.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.42
16 84.9% Central_Greek + 15.1% Erzya @ 4.43
17 72.6% Bulgarian + 27.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.43
18 86.8% Greek_Thessaly + 13.2% Cyprian @ 4.47
19 68.8% Romanian + 31.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.47
20 89.3% Greek_Thessaly + 10.7% Azeri @ 4.48

[arkas]

With what test is this?

[Sikeliot]

It seems like on average they plot slightly south of northern Greeks, but not as far south as Sicilians, Cretans, etc. (because they lack post-Neolithic Levant input and have no North African).


With what test is this?

Eurogenes K15.

[arkas]

Ok, the second Arcadian results are similar to my grandma's and dad. The first has some interesting mixed mode results, do you know which is more typical for Arcadia?

[nightrider+]

2nd Arcadia one is the most interesting of course.

[Sikeliot]

Ok, the second Arcadian results are similar to my grandma's and dad. The first has some interesting mixed mode results, do you know which is more typical for Arcadia?

I do not know, unfortunately.

What is interesting is some of these appear like a slightly more "southern" version of their northern neighbors, others can be modeled as various mixtures of Italian and Slavic.

[Coolguy1]

Dodecad K12b would be more informative.

I have collected samples from Messinia and Lakonia. Messinians tend to shift a bit west towards Abruzzo whereas Lakonians shift towards Crete. The Maniot samples I have show incredible continuity with the Minoan samples. They can be modeled as 75% Minoan and the rest Yamnaya, which is what I believe the classic age Greeks were like. The Arkadian samples I have are actually a bit southern shifted, and the Korinthian sample is almost islander like, Korinthos was a region that was never subdued by Slavs.

[Sikeliot]

Dodecad K12b would be more informative.

I have collected samples from Messinia and Lakonia. Messinians tend to shift a bit west towards Abruzzo whereas Lakonians shift towards Crete. The Maniot samples I have show incredible continuity with the Minoan samples. They can be modeled as 75% Minoan and the rest Yamnaya, which is what I believe the classic age Greeks were like. The Arkadian samples I have are actually a bit southern shifted, and the Korinthian sample is almost islander like, Korinthos was a region that was never subdued by Slavs.

Laconians are the closest of all Greek mainlanders to Sicily, no? Which would make sense if they are the closest ones to Crete.

[Sikeliot]

Dodecad K12b would be more informative.

I have collected samples from Messinia and Lakonia. Messinians tend to shift a bit west towards Abruzzo whereas Lakonians shift towards Crete. The Maniot samples I have show incredible continuity with the Minoan samples. They can be modeled as 75% Minoan and the rest Yamnaya, which is what I believe the classic age Greeks were like. The Arkadian samples I have are actually a bit southern shifted, and the Korinthian sample is almost islander like, Korinthos was a region that was never subdued by Slavs.

Can you send me the GEDMatch ID you have for the Corinthian? I want to see how they compare to southern Italian and Cretan.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Is there a tool where you can create mixed oracles yourself?

Or maybe even like let's say you grab a Laconian sample, and an Andros sample and then combine them to see what the results would show?

Probably not, right? Lol that would be so cool though, especially mixing different ethnic groups

[Rgvgjhvv]

The third Laconian could be 100% Greek islander. I don't mean they are but they're basically the same as many islanders.

[arkas]

Is there a tool where you can create mixed oracles yourself?

Or maybe even like let's say you grab a Laconian sample, and an Andros sample and then combine them to see what the results would show?

Probably not, right? Lol that would be so cool though, especially mixing different ethnic groups

No Markos, you'll have to create this mixes yourself by inseminating as many women as possible.

[Rgvgjhvv]

No Markos, you'll have to create this mixes yourself by inseminating as many women as possible.

Wow, don't tempt me satan

[nightrider+]

Ok, the second Arcadian results are similar to my grandma's and dad. The first has some interesting mixed mode results, do you know which is more typical for Arcadia?Where is your father from?
Both are among the most west-shifted. And brennus wasn't listening when I was telling him Arcadians are among the least Slavic Peloponnesians like the study indicated.

[arkas]

Where is your father from?
Both are among the most west-shifted. And brennus wasn't listening when I was telling him Arcadians are among the least Slavic Peloponnesians like the study indicated.

My dad is Greek Australian but both his parents come from Arcadia, my grandma comes from a small village called Psili Vrisi.

[Sikeliot]

Where is your father from?
Both are among the most west-shifted. And brennus wasn't listening when I was telling him Arcadians are among the least Slavic Peloponnesians like the study indicated.

They seem west shifted (toward Abruzzo or Tuscany).

Elis is the most Slavic part of the Peloponnese is it not?

[nightrider+]

My dad is Greek Australian but both his parents come from Arcadia, my grandma comes from a small village called Psili Vrisi.

Do you know anything about your I2 subclade?


They seem west shifted (toward Abruzzo or Tuscany).

Elis is the most Slavic part of the Peloponnese is it not?

https://i.imgur.com/c45gLdj.png

Messenia according to this.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Messenia according to this.

What the heck

[arkas]

Do you know anything about your I2 subclade?



https://i.imgur.com/c45gLdj.png

Messenia according to this.

Yes, I forgot to change it in my profile but there was an update to me 23andme results a while ago and my haplogroup changed to I-Z17855. The only thing I know is that they rediscovered an ancient dead body in some cave in Greece that had IM438

[nightrider+]

What the heckSee how close to Thessaly they are in op.
Though one shifts towards North Caucasus which I ve always found interesting.

[Rgvgjhvv]

See how close to Thessaly they are in op.
Though one shifts towards North Caucasus which I ve always found interesting.

That first one has one of the lowest East Med for a Greek I've seen. So weird

[JQP4545]

Yes, I forgot to change it in my profile but there was an update to me 23andme results a while ago and my haplogroup changed to I-Z17855. The only thing I know is that they rediscovered an ancient dead body in some cave in Greece that had IM438

Can you provide a link to the study? I haven't seen any studies that have found I2a in ancient Greece. The earliest I2a dinarics I have seen are in early medieval slavic samples from Poland and Russia.

[arkas]

Can you provide a link to the study? I haven't seen any studies that have found I2a in ancient Greece. The earliest I2a dinarics I have seen are in early medieval slavic samples from Poland and Russia.

I saw this post about it on a different forum. http://.boards.net/thread/666/haplogroup-i2-dna

This study mentions something about it as well, but I haven't read the whole thing to know exacty what it is about.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1469-1809.2007.00414.x

[Tauromachos]

Dodecad K12b would be more informative.

I have collected samples from Messinia and Lakonia. Messinians tend to shift a bit west towards Abruzzo whereas Lakonians shift towards Crete. The Maniot samples I have show incredible continuity with the Minoan samples. They can be modeled as 75% Minoan and the rest Yamnaya, which is what I believe the classic age Greeks were like. The Arkadian samples I have are actually a bit southern shifted, and the Korinthian sample is almost islander like, Korinthos was a region that was never subdued by Slavs.

+1

[Kelmendasi]

I saw this post about it on a different forum. http://.boards.net/thread/666/haplogroup-i2-dna

This study mentions something about it as well, but I haven't read the whole thing to know exacty what it is about.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1469-1809.2007.00414.x
Iirc the I2 samples in this study were all modern and not ancient. Ancient samples are referenced but their haplogroups aren't given. Ancient Greek DNA(Neolithic and Bronze age) has only been J2a and G2a so far. https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#6/51.000/2.000. Your clade of I2, I-Z17855, seems to be of Slavic origin https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Z17855/

[arkas]

Iirc the I2 samples in this study were all modern and not ancient. Ancient samples are referenced but their haplogroups aren't given. Ancient Greek DNA(Neolithic and Bronze age) has only been J2a and G2a so far. https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#6/51.000/2.000. Your clade of I2, I-Z17855, seems to be of Slavic origin https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Z17855/

Oh my bad, didn't read it thoroughly.

The forum I got it from is here, but I don't know where the source came from for the person who posted this.

http://ar k to s. boards.net/thread/666/haplogroup-i2-dna#

Remove the spaces between , for some reason I can't post the link otherwise

[Tauromachos]

Iirc the I2 samples in this study were all modern and not ancient. Ancient samples are referenced but their haplogroups aren't given. Ancient Greek DNA(Neolithic and Bronze age) has only been J2a and G2a so far.

Its bullshit

Ancient Greeks had more haplogroups than only J2a and G2a

[wvwvw]

Mine:


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.35
2 West_Med 18.87
3 Atlantic 15.48
4 West_Asian 13.91
5 Baltic 12.66
6 Eastern_Euro 8.08
7 North_Sea 8.02
8 Red_Sea 2.37
9 Oceanian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 3.58
2 Greek_Thessaly 7.4
3 Bulgarian 8.09
4 Central_Greek 9.41
5 Italian_Abruzzo 9.9
6 Tuscan 10.49
7 East_Sicilian 10.67
8 Romanian 11.07
9 West_Sicilian 11.08
10 Ashkenazi 11.34
11 South_Italian 12.33
12 North_Italian 14.21
13 Serbian 14.79
14 Italian_Jewish 17.16
15 Sephardic_Jewish 17.55
16 Algerian_Jewish 17.87
17 Moldavian 19.2
18 Spanish_Andalucia 20.83
19 Croatian 20.93
20 Austrian 21.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.4% Greek + 7.6% Moldavian @ 3.22
2 82.7% Greek + 17.3% Bulgarian @ 3.22
3 93.2% Greek + 6.8% Croatian @ 3.25
4 95.5% Greek + 4.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.29
5 95.6% Greek + 4.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.3
6 95.9% Greek + 4.1% Estonian_Polish @ 3.3
7 96.1% Greek + 3.9% Erzya @ 3.31
8 95.4% Greek + 4.6% Ukrainian @ 3.31
9 95.4% Greek + 4.6% South_Polish @ 3.32
10 95.8% Greek + 4.2% Southwest_Russian @ 3.32
11 95.4% Greek + 4.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.32
12 95.9% Greek + 4.1% Polish @ 3.33
13 96.2% Greek + 3.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.34
14 89.3% Greek + 10.7% Romanian @ 3.34
15 96.3% Greek + 3.7% Belorussian @ 3.35
16 96.6% Greek + 3.4% Lithuanian @ 3.36
17 96.1% Greek + 3.9% Tatar @ 3.36
18 95.7% Greek + 4.3% East_German @ 3.39
19 96.5% Greek + 3.5% Sardinian @ 3.39
20 95.6% Greek + 4.4% Southwest_French @ 3.39

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +50% Greek @ 4.162140


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +25% Greek +25% Greek @ 4.162140

[Sikeliot]

Mine:


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.35
2 West_Med 18.87
3 Atlantic 15.48
4 West_Asian 13.91
5 Baltic 12.66
6 Eastern_Euro 8.08
7 North_Sea 8.02
8 Red_Sea 2.37
9 Oceanian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 3.58
2 Greek_Thessaly 7.4
3 Bulgarian 8.09
4 Central_Greek 9.41
5 Italian_Abruzzo 9.9
6 Tuscan 10.49
7 East_Sicilian 10.67
8 Romanian 11.07
9 West_Sicilian 11.08
10 Ashkenazi 11.34
11 South_Italian 12.33
12 North_Italian 14.21
13 Serbian 14.79
14 Italian_Jewish 17.16
15 Sephardic_Jewish 17.55
16 Algerian_Jewish 17.87
17 Moldavian 19.2
18 Spanish_Andalucia 20.83
19 Croatian 20.93
20 Austrian 21.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.4% Greek + 7.6% Moldavian @ 3.22
2 82.7% Greek + 17.3% Bulgarian @ 3.22
3 93.2% Greek + 6.8% Croatian @ 3.25
4 95.5% Greek + 4.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.29
5 95.6% Greek + 4.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.3
6 95.9% Greek + 4.1% Estonian_Polish @ 3.3
7 96.1% Greek + 3.9% Erzya @ 3.31
8 95.4% Greek + 4.6% Ukrainian @ 3.31
9 95.4% Greek + 4.6% South_Polish @ 3.32
10 95.8% Greek + 4.2% Southwest_Russian @ 3.32
11 95.4% Greek + 4.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.32
12 95.9% Greek + 4.1% Polish @ 3.33
13 96.2% Greek + 3.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.34
14 89.3% Greek + 10.7% Romanian @ 3.34
15 96.3% Greek + 3.7% Belorussian @ 3.35
16 96.6% Greek + 3.4% Lithuanian @ 3.36
17 96.1% Greek + 3.9% Tatar @ 3.36
18 95.7% Greek + 4.3% East_German @ 3.39
19 96.5% Greek + 3.5% Sardinian @ 3.39
20 95.6% Greek + 4.4% Southwest_French @ 3.39

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +50% Greek @ 4.162140


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +25% Greek +25% Greek @ 4.162140

Yours is quite north shifted, which part of Peloponnese do you descend from?

[Ibericus]

Is there a tool where you can create mixed oracles yourself?

Or maybe even like let's say you grab a Laconian sample, and an Andros sample and then combine them to see what the results would show?

Probably not, right? Lol that would be so cool though, especially mixing different ethnic groups

i can do that with my own created oracles software, i can choose a fixed population and make oracles with that

[Bosniensis]

Greeks have mixed with Thracians and Dacians and Illyrians since the last 2500 years.

Bulgarians and Romanians are logically closest to Greeks then all other people.

I wonder if Greeks have expected better match with Italians?

[Sikeliot]

Greeks have mixed with Thracians and Dacians and Illyrians since the last 2500 years.

Bulgarians and Romanians are logically closest to Greeks then all other people.

I wonder if Greeks have expected better match with Italians?

Southern Peloponnese (Laconia, Mani, etc) match well with Apulians and other Adriatic region Italians.

[Bosniensis]

Southern Peloponnese (Laconia, Mani, etc) match well with Apulians and other Adriatic region Italians.

Thank you for share, I was waiting for Peloponnesian gedmatch.

[Kelmendasi]

Its bullshit

Ancient Greeks had more haplogroups than only J2a and G2a
Obviously, but they haven't been tested yet as not much testing has happened in the region at the time of the ancient Greeks. So far only G2a and J2a have been found

[Kelmendasi]

Oh my bad, didn't read it thoroughly.

The forum I got it from is here, but I don't know where the source came from for the person who posted this.

http://ar k to s. boards.net/thread/666/haplogroup-i2-dna#

Remove the spaces between , for some reason I can't post the link otherwise
They probably misinterpreted it

[Rgvgjhvv]

i can do that with my own created oracles software, i can choose a fixed population and make oracles with that

Can you PM me an example?

[Rgvgjhvv]

Greeks have mixed with Thracians and Dacians and Illyrians since the last 2500 years.

Bulgarians and Romanians are logically closest to Greeks then all other people.

I wonder if Greeks have expected better match with Italians?

Not for me

[nightrider+]

Greeks have mixed with Thracians and Dacians and Illyrians since the last 2500 years.

Bulgarians and Romanians are logically closest to Greeks then all other people.

I wonder if Greeks have expected better match with Italians?All but one results here are closer to Italy than Bulgaria. Did you even look at them?

[xripkan]

Greeks have mixed with Thracians and Dacians and Illyrians since the last 2500 years.

Bulgarians and Romanians are logically closest to Greeks then all other people.

I wonder if Greeks have expected better match with Italians?

We have mixed to some extent but most Greeks are still closer to Italians. Look for example are my results

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.43
2 Atlantic 17.62
3 West_Med 14.48
4 West_Asian 14.37
5 Baltic 10.69
6 North_Sea 7.72
7 Eastern_Euro 6.44
8 Red_Sea 2.73
9 Oceanian 0.84
10 South_Asian 0.68

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 3.76
2 Italian_Abruzzo 6.99
3 Central_Greek 7.29
4 West_Sicilian 8.38
5 East_Sicilian 8.55
6 Greek_Thessaly 8.63
7 Ashkenazi 9.32
8 South_Italian 9.71
9 Bulgarian 10.29
10 Tuscan 10.47
11 Romanian 12.97
12 Sephardic_Jewish 14.1
13 Italian_Jewish 14.25
14 Algerian_Jewish 15.18
15 North_Italian 15.51
16 Serbian 16.53
17 Tunisian_Jewish 18.11
18 Cyprian 19.76
19 Turkish 19.81
20 Libyan_Jewish 20.88

[Tauromachos]

Greeks have mixed with Thracians and Dacians and Illyrians since the last 2500 years.

Bulgarians and Romanians are logically closest to Greeks then all other people.


No they are not

And this thread doesn't prove it neither

Also as usual Sikeliot prefers to post the most Northern shifted results

Many Peloponnesians have higher than 20 % East Med hell even Albanians have

In some threads were he didn't cherrypicked you can see there are Maniots and even other Peloponnesians who score
29% or 30% East Med

They are on par with Islanders in that regard.

Also not all Aegeans have that high East Med some Islanders have 24 or 25 only.

The differences between Islanders and Greeks from the Mainland are always exagerated and supported with biased cherrypicked results
to give the wrong impression to group Mainland Greeks with Illyrians or Bulgars which they are not.

Mainland Greeks basic stock is from the Ancient Bronze Age Greeks the Mycanaeans only that they have mixed with other European people more
than Islanders did but that doesn't mean they have been replaced by these other European tribes and there is no published genetic study which supports
such a view.

Also concerning modern Bulgarians its more that Bulgarians have more Greek input or are more Greek like than that Greeks are so heavily
Bulgarianized or Slaviczed

And then there is shared Ancient Thracian ancestry.

But this doesn't mean that Continental Greeks descend from Hellenized Thracians and not Ionians,Dorians or Aeolians

In Continental Greece Thracians simply mixed in with the local Greek tribes and thats why they are partially descended from Thracians as well

[nightrider+]

No they are not

And this thread doesn't prove it neither

Also as usual Sikeliot prefers to post the most Northern shifted results

Many Peloponnesians have higher than 20 % East Med hell even Albanians have

In some threads were he didn't cherrypicked you can see there are Maniots and even other Peloponnesians who score
29% or 30% East Med

They are on par with Islanders in that regard.

Also not all Aegeans have that high East Med some Islanders have 24 or 25 only.

The differences between Islanders and Greeks from the Mainland are always exagerated and supported with biased cherrypicked results
to give the wrong impression to group Mainland Greeks with Illyrians or Bulgars which they are not.

Mainland Greeks basic stock is from the Ancient Bronze Age Greeks the Mycanaeans only that they have mixed with other European people more
than Islanders did but that doesn't mean they have been replaced by these other European tribes and there is no published genetic study which supports
such a view.

Also concerning modern Bulgarians its more that Bulgarians have more Greek input or are more Greek like than that Greeks are so heavily
Bulgarianized or Slaviczed

And then there is shared Ancient Thracian ancestry.

But this doesn't mean that Continental Greeks descend from Hellenized Thracians and not Ionians,Dorians or Aeolians

In Continental Greece Thracians simply mixed in with the local Greek tribes and thats why they are partially descended from Thracians as wellManiots are a tiny minority in Peloponnese. Should they be over-represented here so you can be happy?

[Bosniensis]

Also as usual Sikeliot prefers to post the most Northern shifted results



He posted Peloponnesian results.. that's SOUTH of Greece, Southern Peloponnese = Islanders (those are not to be counted).



Mainland Greeks basic stock is from the Ancient Bronze Age Greeks the Mycanaeans only that they have mixed with other European people more
than Islanders did but that doesn't mean they have been replaced by these other European tribes and there is no published genetic study which supports
such a view.


Well you see Greece is = Roman Empire not Ancient Greece. In Roman Empire all Old Europeans were called Romans while Greeks in later period became a period for Region.
Thracians, Illyrians, Celts and all other people who joined ROME lived in Greece as well.



Also concerning modern Bulgarians its more that Bulgarians have more Greek input or are more Greek like than that Greeks are so heavily
Bulgarianized or Slaviczed


Greeks celebrated Thracian Gods like Cotys, Bendis, and others, those are Bulgarians, Romanians, Serbs, Fyromanians etc..

Also your Herodotus said that Thracians lived in Greece before Greeks.





But this doesn't mean that Continental Greeks descend from Hellenized Thracians and not Ionians,Dorians or Aeolians



We don't know who are Dorians, they are people who came North of Greece, they are more related to Thracians and Illyrians than Ionian Greeks
and for that reason they fought so much with other Hellenes they probably brought a lot of Thracian (Bulgarian) DNA.

Proper Hellenes like Athenians hated them with passion and fought them very long... it seems to me that Dorians never considered themselves "Greeks" in the way Athenians did.




In Continental Greece Thracians simply mixed in with the local Greek tribes and thats why they are partially descended from Thracians as well

Thracians lived from Northern Sea to Thessaly + Dorians who came from Thracian territories to Peloponnese might be heavily Thracian mixed.

[Sikeliot]

Maniots are a tiny minority in Peloponnese. Should they be over-represented here so you can be happy?

But if Maniots are a tiny minority why did you say Peloponnese plot close to southern Italy when it is only Maniots who are close to them? Or did you just mean closer than to Bulgaria?

For what it is worth, Peloponnese scoring Sicilian and Cretan levels of East Med is very rare, so cybernautic is over inflating the few exotic examples.

[nightrider+]

But if Maniots are a tiny minority why did you say Peloponnese plot close to southern Italy when it is only Maniots who are close to them? Or did you just mean closer than to Bulgaria?

For what it is worth, Peloponnese scoring Sicilian and Cretan levels of East Med is very rare, so cybernautic is over inflating the few exotic examples.What are you talking about? I only said all but one samples here are closer to Italy (Abruzzo and Tuscany included of course) than Bulgaria.

[Sikeliot]

What are you talking about? I only said all but one samples here are closer to Italy (Abruzzo and Tuscany included of course) than Bulgaria.

So then how is what you're saying any different than what cybernautic is saying? He is suggesting Peloponnese are by and large identical to South Italians, Sicilians, and Aegean islanders.

[nightrider+]

So then how is what you're saying any different than what cybernautic is saying? He is suggesting Peloponnese are by and large identical to South Italians, Sicilians, and Aegean islanders.Ffs sikeliot are you fucking kidding me? Are you on drugs or something? Is Tuscany and Abruzzo the same as Sicily? Most if these results are closer to Abruzzo/Tuscany and clearly not as South-shifted as Maniots or South Italians.

[Sikeliot]

Ffs sake sikeliot are you fucking kidding me? Are you on drugs or something? Is Tuscany and Abruzzo the same as Sicily? Most if these results are closer to Abruzzo/Tuscany and clearly not as South-shifted as Maniots or South Italians.

The Maniots are closest to Apulians based on what I can see, and some of the Aegean islands who are more "mainland" shifted overlap with both Mani and Apulia. Other Peloponnesian regions look to me more northern and shifted toward Bulgaria, even if somewhere between them and Italian.

[nightrider+]

The Maniots are closest to Apulians based on what I can see, and some of the Aegean islands who are more "mainland" shifted overlap with both Mani and Apulia. Other Peloponnesian regions look to me more northern and shifted toward Bulgaria, even if somewhere between them and Italian.

Again, like I said, ALL BUT ONE results here are closer to Italy than Bulgaria. You just very much like to focus on Bulgaria, we get it after so much time on this forum.

[Sikeliot]

Again, like I said, ALL BUT ONE results here are closer to Italy than Bulgaria. You just very much like to focus on Bulgaria, we get it after so much time on this forum.

They might be closer but they have more NE European type input than anyone in central or southern Italy, except the Maniots and some Laconians who may be similar to the islanders.

[nightrider+]

They might be closer but they have more NE European type input than anyone in central or southern Italy, except the Maniots and some Laconians who may be similar to the islanders.

Of course they do. Most of Italy hardly ever had any contact with NE Europe. Btw not all shift towards NE Europe. Some towards (North) Caucasus and one even towards NW Europe, going by mixed mode.

[Sikeliot]

Of course they do. Most of Italy hardly ever had any contact with NE Europe. Btw not all shift towards NE Europe. Some towards (North) Caucasus and one even towards NW Europe, going by mixed mode.

I think the interesting thing to ask, if you see the other thread, is why Apulians shift toward NE Europe.

The only logical conclusion to me is mainland Greek input in the last 1000 years.

[nightrider+]

I think the interesting thing to ask, if you see the other thread, is why Apulians shift toward NE Europe.

The only logical conclusion to me is mainland Greek input in the last 1000 years.

I don't know the history of the area. Their coast faces Bosnia, Montenegro and Albania. It doesn't necessarily have to be mainland Greeks.

[Sikeliot]

I don't know the history of the area. Their coast faces Bosnia, Montenegro and Albania. It doesn't necessarily have to be mainland Greeks.

Apulians also have much less Levant-like ancestry than other parts of southern Italy too.

[nightrider+]

Apulians also have much less Levant-like ancestry than other parts of southern Italy too.

There is some I2a-din there apparently.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?11853-Puglia-Y-DNA

[JQP4545]

I saw this post about it on a different forum. http://.boards.net/thread/666/haplogroup-i2-dna

This study mentions something about it as well, but I haven't read the whole thing to know exacty what it is about.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1469-1809.2007.00414.x

Those samples from the second link are from modern day Greeks. The first one is quoted from Wikipedia, but the Wikipedia article doesn't offer and citations.

[Tauromachos]

Maniots are a tiny minority in Peloponnese. Should they be over-represented here so you can be happy?

Dude don't be fooled

There is also other Peloponnesians with higher East Med

Even some Epirotes Sikeliot posted in the past in other threads scored 27 East Med

And one of the persons with the highest East Med here in this thread and overall most similar to Islanders results
is Corinthian by the way

[Jacksons]

I think the interesting thing to ask, if you see the other thread, is why Apulians shift toward NE Europe.

The only logical conclusion to me is mainland Greek input in the last 1000 years.

It's Albanian that have immigrated to Puglia. The migrations of Arberesh in 14-15th century were fairly large. The Stratioti also continually settled there. It would not be proper to say Greeks. They instead came there as Albanians from the territory of Albania and Greece. Albanians would have shifted Puglians slightly North and East. The influence wasn't that large however. If there is a large enough shift of Puglians to the North-East, then this is likely ancient with Illyrians and Ancient Greeks.

[Sikeliot]

It's Albanian that have immigrated to Puglia. The migrations of Arberesh in 14-15th century were fairly large. The Stratioti also continually settled there. It would not be proper to say Greeks. They instead came there as Albanians from the territory of Albania and Greece. Albanians would have shifted Puglians slightly North and East. The influence wasn't that large however. If there is a large enough shift of Puglians to the North-East, then this is likely ancient with Illyrians and Ancient Greeks.

I'm wondering instead if it's Sicilians that are foreign influenced (MENA) and if Apulians are instead basically Sicilians without any MENA.

[Kelmendasi]

There is some I2a-din there apparently.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?11853-Puglia-Y-DNA
You may be able to attribute some of it to the Arbereshe.

[wvwvw]

He posted Peloponnesian results.. that's SOUTH of Greece, Southern Peloponnese = Islanders (those are not to be counted).

Well you see Greece is = Roman Empire not Ancient Greece.

Greece was under Greek self rule under the Romans and populated by Greeks and under Greek control during the Byzantine period.

Greeks occupied Italy before the Roman Empire emerged


We don't know who are Dorians, they are people who came North of Greece, they are more related to Thracians and Illyrians than Ionian Greeks
and for that reason they fought so much with other Hellenes they probably brought a lot of Thracian (Bulgarian) DNA.

Proper Hellenes like Athenians hated them with passion and fought them very long... it seems to me that Dorians never considered themselves "Greeks" in the way Athenians did.

The Ionians and the Dorians were of the SAME origin. Herodotus says that both the Dorians and Ionians were originally Pelasgians. The Dorian-Pelasgi came to Greece in 2200 BC and later in 1900 BC the Ionians came along and put a wedge between those in the north and those in the Peloponnese. The Dorian-Pelasgi in North-Western Greece became Dorians. Those in the Peloponnese and Thessaly became Pelasgi. The Dorian's were nomadic whereas the Pelasgi were City Dwellers hence their name Polis-gi.

The original inhabitants of Greece were the Hellads (see Helladic civilization), they lived in Greece 30,000 years before anyone else (J2+Ursulas, J2+Jasmines). These contributed around 90% words to the proto-Greek language.

The DNA shows that although originally all Ursula, and Ursula-Jasmine, the population of Greece becomes dominated by the Helena’s.

The account of Solon/Plato calls the Equatai/Atlantians barbarians. Therefore the conclusion is that they came from outside of Greece. Herodotus tells us that even the Ionians were considered Barbarians. Taken in correct context that means that the Ionians and the Equatai were not considered to be Achaeans.

There were 2 Achaean migrations to Peloponnesus. The indigenous people of the Peloponnese including the Arcadians and the first Argives and Lacedamonians who were descended from Inachus as was lo and Epaphus were from the same ancestry as the people of Crete who were descended from Cronos and thus spoke ProtoCretan/protoGreek and were there since 2200 BC.

The Proto-Hellenes (descended from Hellene) did not come down to north-western Greece until 1900 BC. BC. It gets even more complicated since it is more than likely that the Proto-Hellenes were the founders of the Cretan Palace civilisation rather than the Proto-Cretans themselves since there were more of them and they entered Greece and the first Cretan palaces were built when they enter Greece, but given the separation in time Proto-Hellenic and ProtoCretan dialects would have differed little and would have merged.

The Biblical account places Ion as the father of Hellenes, Thracians, Rhodians and Cretans/Cypriots. The Greek account makes Ion Hellenes Grandson and also mentions an Io (Ioun) who was the ancestor of Cadmus and Princess Europe.

The Archaeological and historical evidence suggests that the Doric-Arcado-Cypriot-lonians were the original Pelasgains and came to Greece in about 2200 BC. These Pelasgains were descended from the same common ancestors as the Thracians, Cretans and Rhodian; in about 2700 BC who together shared the same ancestor with the lllyrians in about 3200 BC and even further back come the Lydian's and Carains. The Dorains split from the Pelasgains in 1700 BC and settled in Macedonia and Thessaly and in 1500 BC the Mycenaean's entered the Peloponnese and split from the Proto-lonians who remained in Attica.

[Jacksons]

I'm wondering instead if it's Sicilians that are foreign influenced (MENA) and if Apulians are instead basically Sicilians without any MENA.

It's hard to say.
Puglia has known modern influence from the Balkans. From Albanians more specifically. But Puglians/Central Italians and Albanians are so similar genetically anyways. Albanian migration there would have generally only shifted Puglians slightly eastward on average without much if any northern pull, when we consider that the Arberesh migrants came from modern Albania all the way to the Peloponnese. The average Arberesh at this time would have been similar to Puglians today, just like an average Albanian & Peloponnese would be similar to Puglians today.

Sicilians have known Mena influence from the middle ages. Some Sicilians look way off anywhere in Italy/Balkans/Europe. I don't believe for 1 second that it's not MENA influence. If we assume this MENA component is ancient then we have to ask why isn't homogeneous throughout Sicily & Southern Italy? I think the answer to this is that they received actual MENA population.

[Tauromachos]

He posted Peloponnesian results.. that's SOUTH of Greece, Southern Peloponnese = Islanders (those are not to be counted).

:wink
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Well you see Greece is = Roman Empire not Ancient Greece. In Roman Empire all Old Europeans were called Romans while Greeks in later period became a period for Region.


No Romans called all other European people Barbarians with the exception of Greeks



Thracians, Illyrians, Celts and all other people who joined ROME lived in Greece as well.

The Hellenic people of Greece were four major tribes Dorians,Ionians,Aeolians,Acheans
they didn't disappear or were replaced by Thracians,Illyrians or Celts..



Greeks celebrated Thracian Gods like Cotys, Bendis, and others, those are Bulgarians, Romanians, Serbs, Fyromanians etc..

Besides all Greeks no matter if Spartans,Athenians,Smyrnians,Samians,Thessalians worhipped the 12 Olympic deities
such as Zeus,Athena,Appolo,Aris ect ect




Also your Herodotus said that Thracians lived in Greece before Greeks.

Thracians lived in Thrace mainly hence the name





We don't know who are Dorians,

We know that they were a Greek or in other words Hellenic tribe.
One of the four large tribes of Greece from which classical Greek people were descended



they are people who came North of Greece,

There is no proof they came from North of Greece
When Ancient writes say Dorians entered the Peloponnese from the North it just means somewhere North of Peloponnese.
Like we say today when someone from Central Greece or Thessaly comes to Crete that he is from the North or a Northerner
in Crete.

Pontians came to Greece from the North as well
Yeah Pontus lies North of Greece
What now?



they are more related to Thracians and Illyrians than Ionian Greeks

Prove!



and for that reason they fought so much with other Hellenes they probably brought a lot of Thracian (Bulgarian) DNA.

Arabs fight Arabs,Blacks fight Blacks"Crips vs Bloods",South Slavs fight South Slavs"Serbs vs Bosnians vs Croatian"

Fighting each other is no proof neither that people are very similar nor very different
Its all about Power and who is the Chief "Arch Tarzan" in the neigbourhood
Nothing more essentialy




Proper Hellenes like Athenians hated them with passion and fought them very long... it seems to me that Dorians never considered themselves "Greeks" in the way Athenians did.

I already exlpained to you Dorians and Ionians were both Hellenic tribes
There were four major tribes of Hellenic people,Dorians,Ionians,Acheans,Aeolians

And Greeks are in majority descended from them not from Illyrians or Slavs.





Thracians lived from Northern Sea to Thessaly

I don't know but in Ancient Greece Thracians were mostly known to live in Thrace.



+ Dorians who came from Thracian territories to Peloponnese might be heavily Thracian mixed.

Might ,might also not

[CommonSense]

Greek from Corinthia and Elis:





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.18
2 West_Med 20
3 North_Atlantic 17.87
4 Baltic 16.3
5 West_Asian 14.58
6 Red_Sea 2.96
7 Oceanian 1.23
8 Siberian 0.72
9 Northeast_African 0.14
10 East_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 3.43
2 Central_Greek 6.54
3 Italian_Abruzzo 8.13
4 East_Sicilian 8.28
5 West_Sicilian 9.78
6 Bulgarian 9.85
7 Ashkenazi 10.71
8 South_Italian 11.07
9 Tuscan 11.7
10 Romanian 12.28
11 North_Italian 16.22
12 Serbian 16.63
13 Italian_Jewish 16.93
14 Algerian_Jewish 16.93
15 Sephardic_Jewish 16.99
16 Tunisian_Jewish 20.53
17 Libyan_Jewish 21.05
18 Cyprian 21.59
19 Turkish 22.06
20 Moldavian 22.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.7% Central_Greek + 39.3% Bulgarian @ 1.85
2 85% Central_Greek + 15% Southwest_Russian @ 1.91
3 85.1% Central_Greek + 14.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.96
4 86.5% Central_Greek + 13.5% Erzya @ 2.07
5 84.1% Central_Greek + 15.9% Ukrainian @ 2.07
6 87.4% Central_Greek + 12.6% Lithuanian @ 2.08
7 86.3% Central_Greek + 13.7% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.11
8 86% Central_Greek + 14% Estonian_Polish @ 2.13
9 78.1% Central_Greek + 21.9% Moldavian @ 2.15
10 85.9% Central_Greek + 14.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.15
11 86.2% Central_Greek + 13.8% Belorussian @ 2.17
12 83.7% Central_Greek + 16.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.22
13 84.1% Central_Greek + 15.9% South_Polish @ 2.26
14 87.5% Central_Greek + 12.5% Estonian @ 2.27
15 93.9% Greek_Thessaly + 6.1% Abhkasian @ 2.29
16 80.5% Central_Greek + 19.5% Croatian @ 2.32
17 85.5% Central_Greek + 14.5% Polish @ 2.32
18 93.7% Greek_Thessaly + 6.3% Georgian @ 2.36
19 87.7% Central_Greek + 12.3% East_Finnish @ 2.41
20 93.6% Greek_Thessaly + 6.4% North_Ossetian @ 2.44