Myths about Native Americans...

[Richmondbread]

1.All Native Americans are Red-Skinned

A common expression: "That's a WHITE man! Not a Native". Most NA are not red skinned but a reddish white, and some have more yellowish skin. Even full blooded Cherokees can be blonde haired and have blue eyes! The difference between them and Europeans are the physical features, not the skin color. Some full blooded Indians could pass for Italians or Turkish regions. The Pueblo Indians are very dark red. While most of the Indians on the East Coast are very light skinned.

Here is an example of a full blooded Native. Actor Jay Silverheels. Could he not pass for some White countries:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bdlS2jvsDuk/UzQ-sjlVYpI/AAAAAAAAI14/hzjPLCttSxM/s1600/04_1952+Brave+Warrior+(Jay+Silverheels).jpg

A pop singer who is half Cherokee:
https://www.trbimg.com/img-57bb7204/turbine/sdut-rita-coolidge-interview-2016mar19

2.If you get NA on your DNA test it proves you're Native American (and if vice versa, it proves you aren't)

WRONG.

Most tribes do not consider DNA tests as permissible in acceptance to become a member of their tribe. You must have a documented family ancestor on your family tree to join. Some tribes have a limit as to how far back that ancestor could be. Others will consider you, even if it's 300 years or more. DNA tests are notoriously unreliable for testing Native Americans in North America. There is a very limited supply of them in the database. Most of these "Native Americans" are of South Or Central American origin and have little connection to North American tribes.

3.White people who dress in Indian regalia are practicing "cultural appropriation"

This is a common liberal retort. They aren't, any more than an Irishman who dresses up in Lederhosen. Give it a rest!

4.Friendly Indians were all slaughtered by white men
WRONG. The liberal lies we are taught in school is that Indians were just peacefully minding their own business, and then the white man showed up and put a hole in their teepee. Truth is, most Indian tribes were warring against each other, and white settlers were murdered by them. A good example is the white settlers who practiced the first Thanksgiving at Berkley Virginia in 1619. They gave a prayer of thanks to God almighty, and a few days later were savagely attacked and murdered by the Indians. This is why historians cover up the true First Thanksgiving. It was not about loving "peaceful" Indians trying to help the white man.


Hope this clears up some miconceptions!

[AlbertEM]

Here is an example of a full blooded Native. Actor Jay Silverheels. Could he not pass for some White countries:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bdlS2jvsDuk/UzQ-sjlVYpI/AAAAAAAAI14/hzjPLCttSxM/s1600/04_1952+Brave+Warrior+(Jay+Silverheels).jpg


The resemblance between you and him is uncanny :) Very good post!

[Gründig]

Wasn't hard to guess who made this thread...

[Turkminator]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkCtcRjRu2w

[Rædwald]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/540/811/e45.png

[GreentheViper]

And this is being told to us by a WHITE MAN

[Catarinense1998]

Just wait Profield find this thread.

[Richmondbread]

And this is being told to us by a WHITE MAN

Yes, I am a White man with documented NA ancestry. I do not claim to be NA , though. It's just heritage.

[Morticia]

Somewhat neurotic, it seems.

[Rædwald]

This is pretty racist Richmond :rolleyes:

[Armenian Bishop]

Yes, I am a White man with documented NA ancestry. I do not claim to be NA , though. It's just heritage.

Your viewpoint seems seems to be xenophobic against Jewish Ancestry.

[Richmondbread]

Your viewpoint seems seems to be xenophobic against Jewish Ancestry.

Ir'a because I have no documented evidence for any Jewish ancestor. Certainly not on my mom's side. It would have to be my father's. My grandmother being Lithuanian, but she didn't even look Jewish and she was almost anti semitic. Very strong Christian woman.

[StevenTylerAerosmith]

lol wasn't silverheels canadian? pretty sure most canadian indians have some white blood from french traders in the 17th century

[Richmondbread]

lol wasn't silverheels canadian? pretty sure most canadian indians have some white blood from french traders in the 17th century

He was Native Canadian. North American Indian tribe. Probably Cree.

[StevenTylerAerosmith]

He was Native Canadian. North American Indian tribe. Probably Cree.

yes, native canadians tend to have a good amount of french blood from early colonial days

[SvartVarg]

1.All Native Americans are Red-Skinned

A common expression: "That's a WHITE man! Not a Native". Most NA are not red skinned but a reddish white, and some have more yellowish skin. Even full blooded Cherokees can be blonde haired and have blue eyes! The difference between them and Europeans are the physical features, not the skin color. Some full blooded Indians could pass for Italians or Turkish regions. The Pueblo Indians are very dark red. While most of the Indians on the East Coast are very light skinned.

You've never met a real as pure blooded as can be nowadays native american in your life, have you? Not a single legitimately "purer" (not based off bogus "blood status" quota) native american has pale skin, blonde hair & blue eyes.

I've lived by numerous N. American reserves btw & know a large number of natives (who I've a good rapport with). So the idea of a "white European-looking" native who is as "pure" blooded as can be is comical. And a similar claim got a troll banned on anthrogenica a few months ago.



Here is an example of a full blooded Native. Actor Jay Silverheels. Could he not pass for some White countries:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bdlS2jvsDuk/UzQ-sjlVYpI/AAAAAAAAI14/hzjPLCttSxM/s1600/04_1952+Brave+Warrior+(Jay+Silverheels).jpg


Jay Silverheels was about as "pure blood" an Indian as an apple. His mother's parents were from NY and predominantly of Anglo-German ancestry. His father's mother was English Canadian. And his father's father's side landed in 1860s Nova Scotia from England. This is "Mohawk" AG Smith btw https://za.pinterest.com/pin/543739355003657588/. An Anglo interrupter because, ironically, he was predominantly Anglo.

This btw is Jay without the makeup & face paint (enough he could have opened his own store selling supplies) applied so he looked more "native" in films. And that is what Hollywood did. Painted up white men to play at being native.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMWIwNjVhYjgtMjg0Ny00NGM4LWI4N2QtY2JiYTUwMzQ2NT FhXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNzI4MDMyMTU@._V1_.jpg



A pop singer who is half Cherokee:
https://www.trbimg.com/img-57bb7204/turbine/sdut-rita-coolidge-interview-2016mar19

That's Rita Coolidge right? Too bad for her her Cherokee ancestry is so removed & vague she has no hopes - and she even admitted it in a 2012 interview - of qualifying in the Cherokee registry. So she's not legitimately half Cherokee.



2.If you get NA on your DNA test it proves you're Native American (and if vice versa, it proves you aren't)

WRONG.

Most tribes do not consider DNA tests as permissible in acceptance to become a member of their tribe. You must have a documented family ancestor on your family tree to join. Some tribes have a limit as to how far back that ancestor could be. Others will consider you, even if it's 300 years or more. DNA tests are notoriously unreliable for testing Native Americans in North America. There is a very limited supply of them in the database. Most of these "Native Americans" are of South Or Central American origin and have little connection to North American tribes.

Indeed. Most tribes won't accept DNA. And without any tractable proof, proof a tribe can verify, of aboriginal ancestry claiming Pocahontas as your great-great grandmother means next to nothing too.





3.White people who dress in Indian regalia are practicing "cultural appropriation"

This is a common liberal retort. They aren't, any more than an Irishman who dresses up in Lederhosen. Give it a rest!

Course it is. It's often comical too. Just as how an Irishman in Lederhosen would likely find himself laughed at.



4.Friendly Indians were all slaughtered by white men
WRONG. The liberal lies we are taught in school is that Indians were just peacefully minding their own business, and then the white man showed up and put a hole in their teepee. Truth is, most Indian tribes were warring against each other, and white settlers were murdered by them. A good example is the white settlers who practiced the first Thanksgiving at Berkley Virginia in 1619. They gave a prayer of thanks to God almighty, and a few days later were savagely attacked and murdered by the Indians. This is why historians cover up the true First Thanksgiving. It was not about loving "peaceful" Indians trying to help the white man.

Hope this clears up some miconceptions!

Won't even bother correcting this because, to be blunt, it's hogwash spouted by some Americans so European massacres of natives don't seem so bad or were even a justified response to "savage" Indians. Not every tribe was fighting one another or tribal alliances pre european meddlers wouldn't exist, would they?

Btw though the "first" thanksgiving was indeed the Berkley settlement it's virtually impossible to have been held 1619 when they were leaving England in 1619 & barely arrived in December 1619. The first Berkley thanksgiving was held 1621.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

yes, native canadians tend to have a good amount of french blood from early colonial days

Craig Berube is Cree with a French surname.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/photos/craig-berube-2001-49.jpg

He was nicknamed Chief. One bad mo' fo' on the ice. A very nice fellow off the ice.

He looks far more European influenced than Ted Nolan. I'm not sure if he has recent European ancestry. Nolan is full Ojibwe.

https://assets2.sportsnet.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/nolan_ted1280.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmSYD1flXjA

Berube was a total bro. Hopefully he'll be officially made coach of the St. Blues.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

And this is being told to us by a WHITE MAN

Not just any White man. Richmondbred is on a whole different level.

[Zuh]

What's that point of having Amerindian ancestry i you don't even look like one? A example from me is I'm not accepted by any indigenous Mexican communities.

[StevenTylerAerosmith]

You've never met a real as pure blooded as can be nowadays native american in your life, have you? Not a single legitimately "purer" (not based off bogus "blood status" quota) native american has pale skin, blonde hair & blue eyes.

I've lived by numerous N. American reserves btw & know a large number of natives (who I've a good rapport with). So the idea of a "white European-looking" native who is as "pure" blooded as can be is comical. And a similar claim got a troll banned on anthrogenica a few months ago.



Jay Silverheels was about as "pure blood" an Indian as an apple. His mother's parents were from NY and predominantly of Anglo-German ancestry. His father's mother was English Canadian. And his father's father's side landed in 1860s Nova Scotia from England. This is "Mohawk" AG Smith btw https://za.pinterest.com/pin/543739355003657588/. An Anglo interrupter because, ironically, he was predominantly Anglo.

This btw is Jay without the makeup & face paint (enough he could have opened his own store selling supplies) applied so he looked more "native" in films. And that is what Hollywood did. Painted up white men to play at being native.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMWIwNjVhYjgtMjg0Ny00NGM4LWI4N2QtY2JiYTUwMzQ2NT FhXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNzI4MDMyMTU@._V1_.jpg

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jay silverheels maternal grandparents are listed as indian on censuses...they might have been mixed though...doxtator appears to be a german surname from palatine germans who came to new york in 1710...see here https://nativeheritageproject.com/2012/08/15/honyere-and-honyost-doxtator/

[SvartVarg]

jay silverheels maternal grandparents are listed as indian on censuses...they might have been mixed though...doxtator appears to be a german surname from palatine germans who came to new york in 1710...see here https://nativeheritageproject.com/2012/08/15/honyere-and-honyost-doxtator/

You've proof his maternal grandparents are listed as native? Cause Jay's mother's father's mother's mother's maiden name was Van Antwerpen. In fact that same woman is mentioned in the Schenectady country summary which would make her, very likely, 100% Palatine German.

Even if they were mixed that would make him, at best, of potential native american ancestry. Not pure anything like Richmondbred tried to claim.




Besides there were a number of white, predominantly European, Americans who lived on or near reserve land that claimed they were "native" when the registries were being put together. These white/european "natives" is one of the main reasons why nowadays reserves say if you can't prove, and we can't verify, your native ancestors we don't care if you claim to be related to Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull, Geronimo and Pocahontas you still can't register as native.

Canada was no where near as discrete about European "natives" as America. In fact, before 1985 a 100% (European) non-status woman could marry a guy with Indian status and she'd magically become a "status indian". Their potentially half-native (for there's no guarantee the husband is fully native) child could marry another half-native child for a "full" native grandchild. It's one reason why many "natives" on Canadian band councils, who you see parading around with politicians, etc. are very white/european looking as they're some of the most diluted (predominantly European without "being" European) "natives" you can find in Canada.

[StevenTylerAerosmith]

You've proof his maternal grandparents are listed as native? Cause Jay's mother's father's mother's mother's maiden name was Van Antwerpen. In fact that same woman is mentioned in the Schenectady country summary which would make her, very likely, 100% Palatine German.

Even if they were mixed that would make him, at best, of potential native american ancestry. Not pure anything like Richmondbred tried to claim.




Besides there were a number of white, predominantly European, Americans who lived on or near reserve land that claimed they were "native" when the registries were being put together. These white/european "natives" is one of the main reasons why nowadays reserves say if you can't prove, and we can't verify, your native ancestors we don't care if you claim to be related to Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull, Geronimo and Pocahontas you still can't register as native.

Canada was no where near as discrete about European "natives" as America. In fact, before 1985 a 100% (European) non-status woman could marry a guy with Indian status and she'd magically become a "status indian". Their potentially half-native (for there's no guarantee the husband is fully native) child could marry another half-native child for a "full" native grandchild. It's one reason why many "natives" on Canadian band councils, who you see parading around with politicians, etc. are very white/european looking as they're some of the most diluted (predominantly European without "being" European) "natives" you can find in Canada.

ancestry.com

both of jay silverheels parents are listen as being of "six nations" origin on the 1921 canada census, both of his paternal grandparents as "six nations" on the 1901 canada census.

his maternal grandparents were apparently american...you can find howard doxtator born 1855 on a lot of indian census rolls...i think that's jay's grandpa

[Richmondbread]

The First Thanksgiving was in 1619 at Berkley Virginia on December 4th:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Y6Glv2Sbc

Jay Silverheels was a true Native American of the Canadian tribe of the Mowhawk, I believe.

Also, I don't have time to correct you on everything else, but I have met 100% Native American that are not red skinned. I just want to clarify some misconceptions. I know people from the Mattaponi and Patawomeck as well as Pamunkey tribes here in Virginia Only Cherrokees have had blonde hair and blue eyes. That is probably with the Euro admixture, I agree.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

The First Thanksgiving was in 1619 at Berkley Virginia on December 4th:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Y6Glv2Sbc

Jay Silverheels was a true Native American of the Canadian tribe of the Mowhawk, I believe.

Also, I don't have time to correct you on everything else, but I have met 100% Native American that are not red skinned. I just want to clarify some misconceptions. I know people from the Mattaponi and Patawomeck as well as Pamunkey tribes here in Virginia Only Cherrokees have had blonde hair and blue eyes. That is probably with the Euro admixture, I agree.

What does it matter who you know? Many people believe bullshit if they like the bullshit. Saying you know someone who says this or that isn't evidence of anything other than you met someone who says they are this or that.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Stan Jonathan. The full blooded real deal. He belongs to the group who moved north from North Carolina and joined the Iroquois. I forget what they are named.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/photos/stan-jonathan-1980-32.jpg