West Eurasia G25 spreadsheet

[Token]

Percentages of Anatolian farmer, European Hunter-Gatherer, steppe and more for each population of West Eurasia.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_jr6EMoG_1eFm1x8hltNHW2bE5A0lW9N7XDjCU_jO_k/edit#gid=0

[Kelmendasi]

Interesting. In Europe it seems that the Iberian samples alongside Sicilian ones are scoring the Moroccan/NA admix whilst other groups aren't. Would you attribute this to earlier input or the middle ages?

[Token]

Interesting. In Europe it seems that the Iberian samples alongside Sicilian ones are scoring the Moroccan/NA admix whilst other groups aren't. Would you attribute this to earlier input or the middle ages?

Not any earlier than the Iron Age for sure. The fact that it peaks in Galicia is tricky, but i'd still bet on a Moorish source for most part of it.

[FinalFlash]

How many samples were used for each group?

[Token]

How many samples were used for each group?

Only high quality academic averages are avaiable on G25, you can check the samples used for each population on Eurogenes blog.

[FinalFlash]

Only high quality academic averages are avaiable on G25, you can check the samples used for each population on Eurogenes blog.

Oh ok. Will they be adding more samples or is this it?

[Token]

Oh ok. Will they be adding more samples or is this it?

Yes, new samples are added when new academic papers come out.

[Kelmendasi]

Not any earlier than the Iron Age for sure. The fact that it peaks in Galicia is tricky, but i'd still bet on a Moorish source for most part of it.
Please explain this to Viejo, the guy is in my PMs trying to argue how there is no NA admix among Iberians despite all this.

[Token]

Please explain this to Viejo, the guy is in my PMs trying to argue how there is no NA admix among Iberians despite all this.

https://fs.blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Confirmation-Bias.png

[nightrider+]

Please explain this to Viejo, the guy is in my PMs trying to argue how there is no NA admix among Iberians despite all this.Just tell him Moors were blond.

[Leto]

Only high quality academic averages are avaiable on G25, you can check the samples used for each population on Eurogenes blog.
Why is the sheet so unreadable?
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/search?q=G25+averages

[Leto]

Not any earlier than the Iron Age for sure. The fact that it peaks in Galicia is tricky, but i'd still bet on a Moorish source for most part of it.
That's not SSA and 10% is still not so much (the highest percentage in Western Spain).

[Token]

That's not SSA and 10% is still not so much (the highest percentage in Western Spain).
So? I never said it is SSA, nor that it is 'so much'.

[Leto]

So? I never said it is SSA, nor that it is 'so much'.
Well, I mean he is so angry as if people were saying he was mixed with blacks.

[Token]

Well, I mean he is so angry as if people were saying he was mixed with blacks.

Ah, i see. We should let our biases, political views and emotions aside when dealing with science.

[Mingle]

Not any earlier than the Iron Age for sure. The fact that it peaks in Galicia is tricky, but i'd still bet on a Moorish source for most part of it.

I recall you stating that Iron Age Iberian samples had very little North African so it must be Moorish. Do you have any links regarding the DNA of Iberian Iron Age samples?

[Token]

I recall you stating that Iron Age Iberian samples had very little North African so it must be Moorish. Do you have any links regarding the DNA of Iberian Iron Age samples?

Yeah, search for my recently opened threads on the upcoming Iberian paper. The paper still wasn't released but the abstract states that Iron Age Iberians were similar to modern-day Basques, who have no North African admixture whatsoever. Additionally, the Bronze Age and Neolithic Iberians samples already avaiable shows no sign of anything NA.

[Aren]

My results using same populations

"distance%=3.4011"

Aren_scaled

EEF,33.6
Iran_N,26
CHG,22.6
Natufian,16.8
Yamnaya_Samara,1

[Leto]

Can anyone give me a link to a normal G25 spreadsheet?

[Not a Cop]

Can anyone give me a link to a normal G25 spreadsheet?

What's wrong with this one? I can read it perfectly.

[Leto]

What's wrong with this one? I can read it perfectly.
That's a txt file.

[Leto]

Percentages of Anatolian farmer, European Hunter-Gatherer, steppe and more for each population of West Eurasia.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_jr6EMoG_1eFm1x8hltNHW2bE5A0lW9N7XDjCU_jO_k/edit#gid=0
Interesting how it divides the HG into WHG and ANE. The British and Irish are supposedly 0% ANE, while Western Russians, Belorussians and Balts are about 4% only.

Edit: That is without the Yamnaya.

[FilhoV]

Yeah, search for my recently opened threads on the upcoming Iberian paper. The paper still wasn't released but the abstract states that Iron Age Iberians were similar to modern-day Basques, who have no North African admixture whatsoever. Additionally, the Bronze Age and Neolithic Iberians samples already avaiable shows no sign of anything NA.

Hey Token great post can you run my coordinates I sent you via PM to run against these populations

[Token]

Interesting how it divides the HG into WHG and ANE. The British and Irish are supposedly 0% ANE, while Western Russians, Belorussians and Balts are about 4% only.

Edit: That is without the Yamnaya.

4% is a lot actually. That means Northwestern Europeans got their EHG/ANE exclusively from steppe migrations, while Eastern Europeans had it from the beginning.

[Token]

Hey Token great post can you run my coordinates I sent you via PM to run against these populations
You seems to be more Mediterranean- and North African-shifted than mainland Iberians.

[1] "distance%=3.1325"

Phillip_Pereira_scaled

EEF,53.2
Yamnaya,27
Moroccan,10.4
WHG,8.8
SSA,0.6

[FilhoV]

You seems to be more Mediterranean- and North African-shifted than mainland Iberians.

[1] "distance%=3.1325"

Phillip_Pereira_scaled

EEF,53.2
Yamnaya,27
Moroccan,10.4
WHG,8.8
SSA,0.6


Obrigado Token :)

[Aren]

4% is a lot actually. That means Northwestern Europeans got their EHG/ANE exclusively from steppe migrations, while Eastern Europeans had it from the beginning.

It probably underestimates it actually. Once more relevant pre-IE samples are found and tested we will see higher HG/ANE part of Balts and Northern Slavs and lower Steppe, especially for Balts.

[Ibericus]

6% north-africa in Catalonia looks very strange, they should be in the 2-3% range like Cantabria or Valencia

[FilhoV]

6% north-africa in Catalonia looks very strange, they should be in the 2-3% range like Cantabria or Valencia

Probably a mix of various Spaniards from various regions

[J. Ketch]

Is there a txt datasheet for this I can run myself against?

[Token]

Is there a txt datasheet for this I can run myself against?

I can run it for you if you want.

[J. Ketch]

I can run it for you if you want.
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jketch_scaled,0.12862,0.138112,0.067882,0.050711,0 .039084,0.022311,0.004935,0.007615,0.003477,0.0020 05,-0.011854,0.008542,-0.015758,-0.013212,0.019679,-0.001193,-0.02021,0.004434,0.001383,-0.004877,0.004991,0.005441,-0.000986,0.011929,-0.003592

Cheers mate.

[Leto]

You seems to be more Mediterranean- and North African-shifted than mainland Iberians.

[1] "distance%=3.1325"

Phillip_Pereira_scaled

EEF,53.2
Yamnaya,27
Moroccan,10.4
WHG,8.8
SSA,0.6
Does the Moroccan include some SSA? Like 1/4 or 1/5 SSA.

[Token]

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jketch_scaled,0.12862,0.138112,0.067882,0.050711,0 .039084,0.022311,0.004935,0.007615,0.003477,0.0020 05,-0.011854,0.008542,-0.015758,-0.013212,0.019679,-0.001193,-0.02021,0.004434,0.001383,-0.004877,0.004991,0.005441,-0.000986,0.011929,-0.003592

Cheers mate.

Yamnaya,48.8
EEF,36.4
WHG,14.8

[Token]

Does the Moroccan include some SSA? Like 1/4 or 1/5 SSA.

Of course, 15% SSA.

[J. Ketch]

Yamnaya,48.8
EEF,36.4
WHG,14.8
I get a considerably better fit with Poltavka in place of Yamnaya Samara, and Ukraine_N_o instead of Barcin, I assume those are basically interchangeable?

[J. Ketch]

I get a considerably better fit with Poltavka in place of Yamnaya Samara, and Ukraine_N_o instead of Barcin, I assume those are basically interchangeable?
[1] "distance%=5.8442"

Yamnaya_Samara,48.8
Barcin_N,36.4
WHG,14.8

[1] "distance%=4.551"

Poltavka,49.6
Ukraine_N_o,36
WHG,14.4

[Token]

I get a considerably better fit with Poltavka in place of Yamnaya Samara, and Ukraine_N_o instead of Barcin, I assume those are basically interchangeable?

Me too, but not that much. Poltavka seems to be slightly more EEF than Yamnaya so it might fit better as the source of steppe in Northern Europeans in terms of EEF-Steppe ratio, or maybe it is the shared drift between Eastern European farmers and modern-day Europeans.

[1] "distance%=5.7234"

Yamnaya,47.6
EEF,37.2
WHG,15.2

[1] "distance%=4.9828"


Poltavka,49.4
Ukraine_N_o,35.6
WHG,15

[celticdragongod]

I can run it for you if you want.

Could you run mine?

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K_Duffy_scaled,0.134311,0.135065,0.063356,0.04845, 0.037545,0.019801,0.003995,0.010153,0.007363,0.000 911,-0.003735,0.006294,-0.01442,-0.009358,0.020222,-0.000133,-0.014342,0,0.007793,0.006628,-0.000374,0.000989,0.008258,0.016629,-0.001437

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K_Duffy,0.0118,0.0133,0.0168,0.015,0.0122,0.0071,0 .0017,0.0044,0.0036,0.0005,-0.0023,0.0042,-0.0097,-0.0068,0.0149,-0.0001,-0.011,0,0.0062,0.0053,-0.0003,0.0008,0.0067,0.0138,-0.0012

[Token]

Could you run mine?

Yamnaya,49.8
EEF,37
WHG,13.2

[celticdragongod]

Yamnaya,49.8
EEF,37
WHG,13.2

Brilliant! Thanks!

[Leto]

Is there a more comprehensive spreadsheet?

[Token]

Is there a more comprehensive spreadsheet?

More comprehensive than this one is impossible.

[FilhoV]

Iron Age Iberians has 0 North African

If I recall they were essentially Basque like

[FilhoV]

Corded Ware CWC is 90% Yamnaya

Impressive

[Token]

Corded Ware CWC is 90% Yamnaya

Impressive

Only the early Baltic ones.

[Dick]

More comprehensive than this one is impossible.

Are you using Barcin as EEF?

[Token]

Are you using Barcin as EEF?

Yes. The spreadsheet wasn't made by me btw.

[Leto]

More comprehensive than this one is impossible.
Is there similar data on Central Asia and Siberia?

[Abdelnour]

I can run it for you if you want.

Hello.

I was wondering if you happen to have a txt datasheet for this.

If not, can you run the results for me?

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Abdelnour_Scaled,0.088782,0.138112,-0.046763,-0.076228,-0.00954,-0.025658,-0.001175,-0.003692,0.001432,0.007472,0.009906,-0.007793,0.011893,-0.004266,-0.002172,0.016574,0.007302,-0.00152,0.003268,0.000375,0.004118,-0.000495,0.00493,-0.004699,0.000359

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Abdelnour,0.0078,0.0136,-0.0124,-0.0236,-0.0031,-0.0092,-0.0005,-0.0016,0.0007,0.0041,0.0061,-0.0052,0.008,-0.0031,-0.0016,0.0125,0.0056,-0.0012,0.0026,0.0003,0.0033,-0.0004,0.004,-0.0039,0.0003

Thanks