Iberia. Western Europe or Southern Europe?

[cyberlorian]

Spain and Portugal. Western Europe or Southern Europe?

[Token]

Southwestern Europe.

[Teutone]

Both

[Autrigón]

Spain and Portugal. Western Europe or Southern Europe?Take a map.

[alnortedelsur]

South Western Europe. They are as western European in all senses (including the racial sense), as France, UK, Netherlands, Belgium, etc. Like it or not.

[Valedictorian]

Southwestern Europe.

[nittionia]

southwest, but to pick between the west or south: south. home of bullfighting dance belongs in south europe.

[Erronkari]

Simple, southwestern.

[Avgvstvs]

Such a silly question.....it is Southwestern Europe,so both Southern ad Western Europe,like Italy is....yes Italy is Western Europe....south Europe is Iberia,Italy and Greece and Balkans

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[LawrenceMartinez]

Both

[GreentheViper]

I'd say Southern Europe as my first thought but not as South as say, the Balkans.

[Teutone]

Western Europe for me, its not only a geographical term.

https://lizardpoint.com/geography/images/maps/europe-west.gif

[Mingle]

South-Western Europe similar to Italy and Southern France.

[nightrider+]

I'd say Southern Europe as my first thought but not as South as say, the Balkans.

In what sense? Most of the Balkans are not really Southern Europe, either genetically or culturally.

[Avgvstvs]

In what sense? Most of the Balkans are not really Southern Europe, either genetically or culturally.Geographically they are

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[GreentheViper]

In what sense? Most of the Balkans are not really Southern Europe, either genetically or culturally.

Geographically

[Avgvstvs]

South-Western Europe similar to Italy and Southern France.Quite right

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[nightrider+]

Geographically they are

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Geographically

The Northern Spanish border is at the same latitude as Central Bulgaria.

[Avgvstvs]

The Northern Spanish border is at the same latitude as Central Bulgaria.That's not an argument....doesn't make Balkan people more Northern europeans than Spaniards.....so i can tell you that Italy borders only with Central Europe....that doesn't make Italy Central Europe,though the North and Northcentral part are quite close

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[nightrider+]

That's not an argument....doesn't make Balkan people more Northern europeans than Spaniards.....so i can tell you that Italy borders only with Central Europe....that doesn't make Italy Central Europe,though the North and Northcentral part are quite close

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It was your argument (geography) and it's obviously a weak one. Genetically most Balkans plot closer to North Europe than Spain. Culturally it's a different matter. Spain is SW Europe, Balkans are a world of their own with strong ties to Eastern Europe.

[GreentheViper]

The Northern Spanish border is at the same latitude as Central Bulgaria.

Ok

[Avgvstvs]

It was your argument (geography) and it's obviously a weak one. Genetically most Balkans plot closer to North Europe than Spain. Culturally it's a different matter. Spain is SW Europe, Balkans are a world of their own with strong ties to Eastern Europe.Spain is Western Europe,like,say,the UK and it's way closer to the UK both culturally and ethnically......the Balkans are closer to Eastern Europe,but still southern/southeastern Europe.

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[Pribislav]

Southwestern

[Damião de Góis]

The Northern Spanish border is at the same latitude as Central Bulgaria.

No, their north borders are roughly at the same latitude:

http://ontheworldmap.com/europe/political-map-of-europe.jpg

For example Santander (43º27') and Pleven(43º24') are quite close.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santander,_Spain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleven

[nightrider+]

No, their north borders are roughly at the same latitude:


Doesn't change the fact that most of Balkans are located closer to the North (at least if you don't count Greece like most).

[Rgvgjhvv]

Southern Europe easily in my opinion

[Avgvstvs]

Doesn't change the fact that most of Balkans are located closer to the North (at least if you don't count Greece like most).They're slightly closer to Central Europe,not Northern

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[nightrider+]

They're slightly closer to Central Europe,not Northern

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We're talking geography again if you didn't realize it. The north pole of Earth is a standard point.

[Damião de Góis]

In any case, it always amazes me how poor people in TA are at geography.

[Avgvstvs]

We're talking geography again if you didn't realize it. The north pole of Earth is a standard point.I can't see the point in that....makes any difference if Sudan is closer to the North than Botswana?

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[Avgvstvs]

In any case, it always amazes me how poor people in TA are at geography.So true bro.....

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[nightrider+]

In any case, it always amazes me how poor people in TA are at geography.

I was going by memory mostly, didn't check latitudes, Bulgaria has a small distance between north and south.


I can't see the point in that....makes any difference if Sudan is closer to the North than Botswana?

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What kind of a troll are you now? You are the one who started the whole bullshit about geography.


Geographically they are

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[Damião de Góis]

I was going by memory mostly, didn't check latitudes, Bulgaria has a small distance between north and south.


I didn't mean you, that was a close call. I meant the starter of this thread actually, among other examples i remember reading.

The iberian peninsula is located in the southwest of Europe. The anwser is obviously both and you can't define it by choosing only one.

[Avgvstvs]

In what sense? Most of the Balkans are not really Southern Europe, either genetically or culturally.I answered your question....i am no troll,it's just you who are making this discussion useless.....you asked:in what sense? I answered: Geographically
I think it's quite simple

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[Marinus]

Southwestern would be the most accurate descriptor, geographically speaking.

Politically/culturally speaking, Western, the peninsula has made huge contributions to the spread of European culture worldwide.

[nightrider+]

I answered your question....i am no troll,it's just you who are making this discussion useless.....you asked:in what sense? I answered: Geographically
I think it's quite simple

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Yes, and a) you were wrong, b) you were offtopic since I guess if op wanted to know about geography, he would check a map instead.

[Avgvstvs]

Yes, and a) you were wrong, b) you were offtopic since I guess if op wanted to know about geography, he would check a map instead.Then what were looking for.... culture,genetics? Speak clearer and you'll be understood.....pls explain me that North Pole thing....i mean what the bloody hell were you trying to mutter?

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[nightrider+]

Then what were looking for.... culture,genetics? Speak clearer and you'll be understood.....pls explain me that North Pole thing....i mean what the bloody hell were you trying to mutter?

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I'm not the op you fucking retard. Someone said Spain is not as south as Balkans, I asked in what sense, you (and the other guy) responded "geographically", I told you you are wrong (and you were). That's about it. Now stop shitposting.

[Avgvstvs]

I'm not the op you fucking retard. Someone said Spain is not as south as Balkans, I asked in what sense, you (and the other guy) responded "geographically", I told you you are wrong (and you were). That's about it. Now stop shitposting.Oh,i almost forgot,this is a map of Southern Europe....have fun in putting the Balkans northward.....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181203/8470bd00f7e40502edd01fc1a0f806c5.jpg

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[nightrider+]

Oh,i almost forgot,this is a map of Southern Europe....have fun in putting the Balkans northward.....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181203/8470bd00f7e40502edd01fc1a0f806c5.jpg

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Are we going to modify geography with shitty maps to suit your case?

Like Damiao said, Santander is at 43°27 latitude, Zagreb for example is at 45°49, countries like Slovenia and Romania are north of that. Central-Southern Spain is even south of Northern Greece.

https://i.imgur.com/0336CsA.jpg

[Avgvstvs]

Are we going to modify geography with shitty maps to suit your case?

Like Damiao said, Santander is at 43°27 latitude, Zagreb for example is at 45°49, countries like Slovenia and Romania are north of that. Central-Southern Spain is even south of Northern Greece.

https://i.imgur.com/0336CsA.jpgOh God what an annoying individual you are[emoji849] .....

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[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Geopolitically they are both Western and some of the oldest nation-states to be defined as such. Without Iberians Western Civilization on a global scale wouldn't be a thing.

Going by mere geographical terms South Western Europe seems accurate. Cabo da Roca is the westernmost extent of mainland Portugal, continental Europe and the Eurasian land mass.

[Avgvstvs]

Geopolitically they are both Western and some of the oldest nation-states to be defined as such. Without Iberians Western Civilization on a global scale wouldn't be a thing.

Going by mere geographical terms South Western Europe seems accurate. Cabo da Roca is the westernmost extent of mainland Portugal, continental Europe and the Eurasian land mass.Agree,Southwestern Europe(Iberian peninsula and Italy) was extremely important for Western Civilization....think of the greatest soldiers,The Romans,at first....then Spain and Portugal almost conquered the world and Italy was the home of art and culture.

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[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Agree,Southwestern Europe(Iberian peninsula and Italy) was extremely important for Western Civilization....think of the greatest soldiers,The Romans,at first....then Spain and Portugal almost conquered the world and Italy was the home of art and culture.

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Yes, the Hellenic civilization and later on the Roman Empire were all key-players on the evolution of the Western civilization, followed by the age of discovery perpetrated by the Iberians and renaissance\enlightenment age in other regions like France, Germany, Italy, England, etc.

[Avgvstvs]

Yes, the Hellenic civilization and later on the Roman Empire were all key-players on the evolution of the Western civilization, followed by the age of discovery perpetrated by the Iberians and renaissance\enlightenment age in other regions like France, Germany, Italy, England, etc.Reinassance was actually born here in Italy but nevermind....you said It all: Hellenic civilization then Romans,then National states[emoji106]
It was Philip the 2nd who messed a bit up and started the downfall of Spain but still Iberian peninsula stands strong! Visited Lisbon this summer,such a nice lovely city:)

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[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Reinassance was actually born here in Italy but nevermind....you said It all: Hellenic civilization then Romans,then National states[emoji106]
It was Philip the 2nd who messed a bit up and started the downfall of Spain but still Iberian peninsula stands strong! Visited Lisbon this summer,such a nice lovely city:)

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I know that Renaissance was born in the Apennine Peninsula but it wasn't exclusive to that region, it was a movement that spread across Western Europe.

Glad you enjoyed your stay in Lisbon :thumb001:

[Avgvstvs]

I know that Renaissance was born in the Apennine Peninsula but it wasn't exclusive to that region, it was a movement that spread across Western Europe.

Glad you enjoyed your stay in Lisbon :thumb001:Yep yep true ;)
Lisbon is.....different,but pleasant at view and with unexpected monuments!

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[CordedWhelp]

I use both for it.

I have a somewhat tougher time classifying France...I've taken to just calling the country as a whole "Western Europe", while only using additional directionals when referring to regions. But that's a different topic, I suppose.

[PT Tagus]

Geographical classification is easy

Iberian Peninsula - Southwestern Europe
Italian Peninsula - Southern Europe
Balkan Peninsula - Southeastern Europe

[pierrotandthemoon]

what a sad bunch of wannabe northern in this forum...

[Avgvstvs]

what a sad bunch of wannabe northern in this forum...Di chi parli?

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[Sp_loa]

SouthWestern Europe.
Genetically more Western than Southern

[Odin]

Southern Europe.

[Morena]

Southwest. It’s southern but with a distinctive western vibe.


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[Latinus]

Southwestern Europe.
Some phenotypes have a very specific vibe to the peninsula, others are Pan-Med, and others Pan-Western Euro (and also a minority that looks more Eastern).

[Sp_loa]

Wrong thread.

[Voskos]

https://i.imgur.com/QVqly26.jpg