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whoibe
12-03-2018, 07:09 PM
Title says pretty much all. I asked this in another thread but I figured it deserves its own. Looking at the results of a few Muslim Palestinians and Arab Israelis I can't help but wonder why they all score closest to Syrian and Lebanese? What are the populations 'Palestinian' and 'Arabs_Israel' in the different tests based on and why are they often only the 5th or 6th closest population?
Haider
12-04-2018, 01:01 AM
The Syrian average includes Bedouins. Plus most Lebanese don't get Palestinians in their top 6, and some even in their top 10.
rein
12-04-2018, 01:21 AM
The Syrian average includes Bedouins. Plus most Lebanese don't get Palestinians in their top 6, and some even in their top 10.

I would be interested to see what Lebanese people get as their top 5 Oracle populations.
whoibe
12-04-2018, 01:40 AM
The Syrian average includes Bedouins. Plus most Lebanese don't get Palestinians in their top 6, and some even in their top 10.

What about the Palestinian average?
Haider
12-04-2018, 01:45 AM
What about the Palestinian average?

It includes Gazans.
whoibe
12-04-2018, 02:30 AM
It includes Gazans.

I still don't see the reason behind this. Do Gazans have a different genetic makeup than West Bank Palestinians or Israeli Arabs?
chalcogen
12-04-2018, 05:29 AM
I would be interested to see what Lebanese people get as their top 5 Oracle populations.

I found this Lebanese kit (M757015) just through googling. No idea if this person is typical, though according to this paper (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3585000/#pgen.1003316.s004) it looks like there are genetic differences between the different religious populations of Lebanon so that may affect things here.

Dodecad V3:
1 Lebanese_Behar @ 6.208212
2 Palestinian_HGDP @ 7.046021
3 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 8.359312
4 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 9.962297
5 Syrians_Behar @ 10.041809

Eurogenes K13:
1 Syrian @ 5.445182
2 Lebanese_Muslim @ 6.793442
3 Jordanian @ 9.082891
4 Cyprian @ 11.394023
5 Samaritan @ 11.518705
Leto
12-04-2018, 06:02 AM
I still don't see the reason behind this. Do Gazans have a different genetic makeup than West Bank Palestinians or Israeli Arabs?
They tend to look pretty brown, so I guess they are.
whoibe
12-04-2018, 09:45 AM
They tend to look pretty brown, so I guess they are.

Bedouins do too, so them being included in the Syrian average should be a reason for me to NOT get Syrian for example :D
rein
12-04-2018, 03:56 PM
They tend to look pretty brown, so I guess they are.

Any particular skin pigmentation SNPs they’re different on?
Mingle
12-04-2018, 04:21 PM
I still don't see the reason behind this. Do Gazans have a different genetic makeup than West Bank Palestinians or Israeli Arabs?

Gazans have more SSA so that would pull WB Palestinians and Israeli Arabs away from them. Gazans being included is probably why Palestinians don't get 'Palestinian' as their top population. The border between most Asian and African countries is based on politics and not ethnolinguistic divisions. People are almost always gonna be closer to those geographically closest to them if they're the same ethnicity irrespective of what nationality they are. I expect almost all North Israeli Arabs to be closer to Lebanese Muslims than to WB Palis and Gazans.