Mainland Greek phenotypes

[nightrider+]

NarLFC asked me to make a gallery of mainland Greeks, so there it is. I made the list from international footballers from 1994 till today. There's always a chance some people from Macedonia/Thrace and Athens could be part Anatolian/Pontic/Eastern Thrace Greeks.

Sotiris Kyrgiakos, Trikala
https://i.imgur.com/V03kDez.jpg

Alekos Alexandris, Kiato
https://i.imgur.com/mYhBi5h.png

Nikos Dabizas, Amyntaio
https://i.imgur.com/rW6nq9z.jpg

Tasos Mitropoulos, Volos
https://i.imgur.com/BxNCQF1.jpg

Pantelis Kapetanos, Ptolemaida
https://i.imgur.com/TM6K7Mz.jpg

Alexandros Tzorvas, Athens
https://i.imgur.com/yFHPjLx.jpg

Kostas Fortounis, Trikala
https://i.imgur.com/wSj0Pis.jpg

Paris Antzas, Drama
https://i.imgur.com/0FkW22h.jpg

Sakis Prittas, Thessaloniki
https://i.imgur.com/u1Vdub3.jpg

Giannis Kalitzakis, Elefsina
https://i.imgur.com/eOyhxDZ.jpg

Stelios Giannakopoulos, Athens
https://i.imgur.com/8Zq70yp.jpg

Giannis Anastasiou, Arta
https://i.imgur.com/8vKgIMZ.jpg

Odysseas Vlachodimos, Germany but ancestry from W.Macedonia
https://i.imgur.com/jvB8ztE.png

Nikos Liberopoulos, Kalamata
https://i.imgur.com/vaiUq9N.jpg

Sokratis Papastathopoulos, Kalamata
https://i.imgur.com/hYvlghR.jpg

Michalis Kasapis, Athens
https://i.imgur.com/zu8brbF.jpg

Kyriakos Papadopoulos, Katerini
https://i.imgur.com/hmoLtbm.jpg

Dimitris Saravakos, Athens (Maniot surname)
https://i.imgur.com/D5kBbel.jpg

Kostas Pavlopoulos, probably Peloponnesian
https://i.imgur.com/r3Fmeo5.jpg

Dimitris Markos, Kilkis
https://i.imgur.com/HAVNC41.jpg

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Sotiris Ninis, Himara (Albania but supposedly Northern Epirot Greek)
https://i.imgur.com/rwxMgxO.jpg

Vassilis Borbokis, Serres
https://i.imgur.com/Gbs0Ai0.jpg

Kosta Galanopoulos, Athens
https://i.imgur.com/9dd7vEO.jpg

Vassilis Lampropoulos, Athens
https://i.imgur.com/6t2nvEW.png

Thanasis Kostoulas, Volos
https://i.imgur.com/r36IDV8.jpg

Giorgos Fotakis, Kalamata
https://i.imgur.com/NOjBjFo.jpg

Vangelis Moras, Larissa
https://i.imgur.com/cwvVLrH.jpg

Dimitris Giannoulis, Katerini
https://i.imgur.com/P9Pb6Wn.jpg

Vassilis Lakis, Thessaloniki
https://i.imgur.com/ZgXDkIJ.jpg

Kostas Katsouranis, Patra
https://i.imgur.com/jKNbVjn.jpg

Fanis Katergiannakis, Thessaloniki
https://i.imgur.com/bV8oh3t.jpg

Angelos Charisteas, Serres
https://i.imgur.com/deks5nz.jpg

Alexandros Tziolis, Katerini
https://i.imgur.com/uWtLWc4.jpg

Nikos Michopoulos, Karditsa
https://i.imgur.com/PawAnG6.jpg

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Christos Karkamanis, Thessaloniki
https://i.imgur.com/sY6iZHl.jpg

Stelios Malezas, Katerini
https://i.imgur.com/yPTEVOO.jpg

Giannis Maniatis, Piraeus but you get it by the surname
https://i.imgur.com/igchT8H.jpg

Dimitris Kourbelis, Arcadia
https://i.imgur.com/aAkr0UN.png

Dimitris Eleftheropoulos, Pireaus
https://i.imgur.com/0Feykzz.jpg

Kostas Chalkias, Larissa
https://i.imgur.com/ETDbHIc.jpg

Vassilis Tsiartas, Imathia
https://i.imgur.com/WcyMYka.jpg

Traianos Dellas, Thessaloniki
https://i.imgur.com/7lmEjAQ.jpg

Thodoris Zagorakis, Kavala
https://i.imgur.com/hZq6qtx.jpg

Thanasis Kolitsidakis, Thessaloniki
https://i.imgur.com/huI6qQl.jpg

Giorgos Masouras, Amfilochia
https://i.imgur.com/fojdqQU.jpg

Zisis Vryzas, Kavala
https://i.imgur.com/pWgBYWl.jpg

Andreas Samaris, Patra
https://i.imgur.com/i1mykF9.jpg

Michalis Bakakis, Agrinio
https://i.imgur.com/elP6f5l.jpg

Giorgos Karagounis, Pirgos
https://i.imgur.com/d2i6oYh.jpg

Antonis Minou, Aridaia
https://i.imgur.com/DqbRPCy.jpg

Dimitris Pelkas, Giannitsa
https://i.imgur.com/3W186tY.jpg

Fanis Gekas, Larissa
https://i.imgur.com/J5cmZFn.jpg

Alexis Alexoudis, Florina
https://i.imgur.com/jjwMjuC.jpg

Nikos Spyropoulos, Ioannina
https://i.imgur.com/fs79fU1.jpg

Giannis Goumas, Thessaly
https://i.imgur.com/2PqskIv.jpg

Vaios Karagiannis, Karditsa
https://i.imgur.com/U9Itaqv.jpg

Christos Kostis, Thessaloniki
https://i.imgur.com/FYWUpSL.jpg

Nikos Nioplias, Galatini (W.Macedonia)
https://i.imgur.com/JAouxwB.jpg

Pantelis Kafes, Veria
https://i.imgur.com/KyQPuo2.jpg

Stratos Apostolakis, Agrinio
https://i.imgur.com/rOEP8V5.jpg

Tasos Bakasetas, Corinth
https://i.imgur.com/oRuRXnK.jpg

Apostolos Vellios, Thessaloniki
https://i.imgur.com/ec76hYu.png

[nafz]

Good representation overall.

One correction, the photo of Kopitisis you posted is not of him, it is of Kasapis. This is Kopitsis:

https://www.ctview.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/haris-kopitsis.jpg

[Sikeliot]

They look like a mixture of Balkan and Southern European (overlapping with all Southern Europeans and Balkan peoples to various degrees), with minor Anatolia/Caucasus input. I don't see any overlap to any Semitic-speaking peoples and they don't look Slavic either, though some could pass within the variation in Eastern Europe even still.

[nightrider+]

Good representation overall.

One correction, the photo of Kopitisis you posted is not of him, it is of Kasapis. This is Kopitsis:

https://www.ctview.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/haris-kopitsis.jpg

Always confused them, fixed the name.

[Sikeliot]

I also hate to say it but I see a strong overlap with Albanians.

[nightrider+]

I also hate to say it but I see a strong overlap with Albanians.

And why do you hate to say it?

[Sikeliot]

And why do you hate to say it?

Greeks and Albanians would both rather it isn't so. To me in these photos the average look is a mixture of Dinarid and Pontid/Atlanto-Med.

Some people can also pass in Britain and Ireland, like these sorts:

https://i.imgur.com/FYWUpSL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JAouxwB.jpg

[Rgvgjhvv]

Karagounis,our eternal captain. Friggin legend

[nightrider+]

Greeks and Albanians would both rather it isn't so. To me in these photos the average look is a mixture of Dinarid and Pontid/Atlanto-Med.

Some people can also pass in Britain and Ireland, like these sorts:
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I was expecting you to point out the Slavic phenotypes. :lightbul:

[Sikeliot]

I was expecting you to point out the Slavic phenotypes. :lightbul:

They are there, but a minority. I will say this, I see more people passable in Poland than in Lebanon/Syria/Palestine.

But most of these people look firmly Balkan or South European. I don't even see that much Caucasus/Anatolian.

[FinalFlash]

Thanks for the set nightrider and kudos to you for using footballers :D

Overall they look Southern European and phenotypically look Greek to me and fall within the Greek spectrum for the most part. The key difference I see here is that mainlanders have a smaller number of people that have a Anatolian/Caucasus shift and a relatively higher number of people that overlap with Albanians, Macs and Bulgarians. Far from proper slavic influence imo. The Islanders have a visibly higher frequency of people with an Anatolian/Caucasus pull but they mostly still resemble the Greeks in your set(mainlanders).

Surprisingly, they're quite distinct from Italians as a whole even if some individuals do overlap with either side.

And you can rest easy for I see absolutely zero middle eastern or levantine influences in your set.

Kyrgiakos the Liverpool legend Haha. What do you think the "LFC" stands for in my username? :D

[Rgvgjhvv]

Nice thread!

Would you be down to make another thread for footballers of Greek islander descent?

[nightrider+]

Nice thread!

Would you be down to make another thread for footballers of Greek islander descent?

Perhaps I'll try another day but they are much harder to find. Other than the 2 Manolas, Kapsis and Spiros Marangos I can't recall any others from when I went through the squads. I'd have to dig deeper into non-internationals.

edit: I forgot the Cretans like Machlas, Samaras, Karelis etc

[Rgvgjhvv]

Perhaps I'll try another day but they are much harder to find. Other than the 2 Manolas, Kapsis and Spiros Marangos I can't recall any others from when I went through the squads. I'd have to dig deeper into non-internationals.

Bouchalakis and Karelis as well from the current squad.

But yeah there are for sure less

[nightrider+]

Bouchalakis and Karelis as well from the current squad.

But yeah there are for sure less

Yeah, I just edited the post about Cretans. Also Kostas Frantzeskos (greatest European free kick taker ever ;) ) is most likely of islands descent.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Yeah, I just edited the post about Cretans. Also Kostas Frantzeskos (greatest European free kick taker ever ;) ) is most likely of islands descent.

What post do you mean?

[nightrider+]

What post do you mean?

#15

Basinas was also from Chalkida btw.

[catgeorge]

They look like a mixture of Balkan and Southern European (overlapping with all Southern Europeans and Balkan peoples to various degrees), with minor Anatolia/Caucasus input. I don't see any overlap to any Semitic-speaking peoples and they don't look Slavic either, though some could pass within the variation in Eastern Europe even still.

be quiet clown your credibility with Greek phenotypes and anything Greek anthropologically is at subzero levels.

[Decius]

The vast majority are medish Southern European types. There is a slavic looking minority amongst them though

[Papastratosels26]

Pretty accurate. Good job man.

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[Faklon]

Some groups from Central to North-Western Greece(theorized proto-Greek area):

http://oi66.tinypic.com/2cwl9wh.jpg

http://oi68.tinypic.com/2ijrzph.jpg

http://oi67.tinypic.com/kbew55.jpg

http://oi68.tinypic.com/qpqpdw.jpg

http://oi67.tinypic.com/35n9c83.jpg

http://oi63.tinypic.com/n8685.jpg

http://oi68.tinypic.com/hvwdpy.jpg

http://oi65.tinypic.com/2uhojra.jpg

http://oi67.tinypic.com/6xqh60.jpg

http://oi64.tinypic.com/2m2ucro.jpg

http://oi67.tinypic.com/1eooif.jpg

http://oi67.tinypic.com/eu53ww.jpg

http://oi65.tinypic.com/2u5q7fk.jpg

http://oi68.tinypic.com/sxevd3.jpg

http://oi67.tinypic.com/10fta3o.jpg

http://oi63.tinypic.com/4r6nls.jpg

http://oi63.tinypic.com/160slte.jpg

[nightrider+]

AEL 1988 Greek champions, all players from Larissa and areas close by.

https://i.imgur.com/5WSB6ER.jpg

[Arsen_]

I wonder which territorial groupe of modern Greeks look like ancient Greeks the most?

http://etc.ancient.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/IMG_3564-1024x683.jpg

http://etc.ancient.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/IMG_3985-974x1024.jpg

[Sikeliot]

I wonder which territorial groupe of modern Greeks look like ancient Greeks the most?

http://etc.ancient.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/IMG_3564-1024x683.jpg

http://etc.ancient.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/IMG_3985-974x1024.jpg


Mani and Cyclades.

The Dodecanese and Crete look too Semitic while the rest of the mainland absorbed some Slavic.

[Faklon]

There's variance in busts too, not everyone was an Apollonian med.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Thucydides-bust-cutout_ROM.jpg

http://news247.gr/eidiseis/article1910454.ece/BINARY/w460/boskos3008.jpg

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2psgmyc.jpg

http://oi62.tinypic.com/34ga72t.jpg

http://oi59.tinypic.com/20uo7c6.jpg

http://oi60.tinypic.com/21276ux.jpg

http://oi60.tinypic.com/t5t26h.jpg

http://oi57.tinypic.com/5y5c90.jpg

http://oi57.tinypic.com/dza6vd.jpg

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2z8nss7.jpg

[Rgvgjhvv]

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Great post!

[Faklon]

Great post!

Thanks but not solely my work, a friend named Malus found at least half the lookalikes for a troll thread I opened some years ago (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?161256-100-PURE-GREEK-CONTINUITY). From what I remember, it took us something like 2 minutes per 10 lookalikes.

[Freeroostah]

There's variance in busts too, not everyone was an Apollonian med.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Thucydides-bust-cutout_ROM.jpg

http://news247.gr/eidiseis/article1910454.ece/BINARY/w460/boskos3008.jpg

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2psgmyc.jpg

http://oi62.tinypic.com/34ga72t.jpg

http://oi59.tinypic.com/20uo7c6.jpg

http://oi60.tinypic.com/21276ux.jpg

http://oi60.tinypic.com/t5t26h.jpg

http://oi57.tinypic.com/5y5c90.jpg

http://oi57.tinypic.com/dza6vd.jpg

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2z8nss7.jpg

Thank you

[Watersater79]

I guess we are firmly in Dinaro-Med territory here, boys. I do notice that a having a sturdy jaw is a common trait amongst Greeks than the Spanish, southern French or Italians.