Vasconcelos' results bucket

[Vasconcelos]

I've decided to follow FilhoV's idea and gather up some results so people can check a random Portuguese, although my results might not be typical since they generally seem rather central Spanish. It has been suggested I might have some Basque ancestry, but I'm very skeptical.
PCAs will be mostly using the alias Ruderico as that's my username elsewhere.

I won't be posting any new photos, but I'll link the old classification threads I made, if that's a thing you care about (I personally don't anymore). If you're interested but can't be arsed to view the links it's just the typical Atlantomed and/or Atlantid spam with a few people listing unlikely places such as British Isles and whatnot. Even Russia, what the heck.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?16889-Classify-me
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?39461-(Re)classify-me-Vasconcelos

I'm mostly North Central Portuguese and my ancestry is overwhelmingly from these two regions: Dão Lafões (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/LocalNUTS3DaoLafoes.svg/1200px-LocalNUTS3DaoLafoes.svg.png) and Tâmega e Sousa (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/C.I._T%C3%A2mega_e_Sousa.png)




Since I favour Davidski's calculators, as they give me the best and most consistent results, I'll only be posting results from his calculators and/or analysis. I'll be bolding a few uncommon things results

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.42
2 West_Med 28.51
3 East_Med 12.04
4 Baltic 9.58
5 Red_Sea 4.47
6 Northeast_African 2.6
7 Sub-Saharan 1.13
8 West_Asian 1.05
9 Siberian 0.59
10 East_Asian 0.58
11 Oceanian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 3.11
2 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 3.29
3 Spanish_Extremadura 3.6
4 Spanish_Galicia 3.86
5 Spanish_Murcia 3.9
6 Portuguese 4.32
7 Spanish_Andalucia 4.39
8 Spanish_Cantabria 4.42
9 Spanish_Valencia 5.02
10 Spanish_Aragon 5.35
11 Spanish_Cataluna 5.65
12 Southwest_French 6.86
13 North_Italian 11.6
14 French 12.2
15 French_Basque 16.35
16 Tuscan 17.31
17 South_Dutch 18.17
18 West_German 18.65
19 Southwest_English 21.98
20 Southeast_English 22

K13 PCA plot
https://i.postimg.cc/SR9YdxvC/Ursinho_PCA_K13.png




Eurogenes K15 (https://i.postimg.cc/y80dbGn4/K15_components_table.png)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 34.66
2 West_Med 22.82
3 North_Sea 15.44
4 East_Med 9.05
5 Baltic 6.16
6 Red_Sea 4.62
7 Northeast_African 2.9
8 Eastern_Euro 2.17
9 Sub-Saharan 1.05
10 Siberian 0.5
11 West_Asian 0.43
12 Southeast_Asian 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Aragon 4.45
2 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 4.61
3 Spanish_Andalucia 5.38
4 Spanish_Valencia 5.44
5 Spanish_Cantabria 6.26
6 Southwest_French 6.51
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 6.79
8 Spanish_Murcia 6.97
9 Spanish_Extremadura 7.52
10 Spanish_Cataluna 8.57
11 Portuguese 9.21
12 Spanish_Galicia 11.07
13 French_Basque 11.99
14 North_Italian 13.12
15 French 16.21
16 Tuscan 18.39
17 South_Dutch 19.97
18 Southwest_English 22.85
19 Austrian 22.88
20 Serbian 23.22

K15 PCA plot
https://i.postimg.cc/05mrJgxg/Rud_K15_V2.png




Eurogenes K36 (https://i.postimg.cc/cHv2Hpvr/K36_Portugal_average.png)

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 5.57
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.68
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 2.08
East_Med 1.61
Eastern_Euro 3.28
Fennoscandian -
French 4.20
Iberian 32.03
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 13.70
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 4.87
North_African 6.20
North_Atlantic 8.16
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 6.56
Northeast_African 1.66
Oceanian -
Omotic 0.50
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 0.25
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 6.65

Lukasz K36 report
https://drive.google.com/file/d/14g5kZ0eUzrahoTXe6sKzIu0ecESGCSa3/view


K36 similarity map
http://i63.tinypic.com/hu0wth.jpg

Lukasz K36 Correlation map
https://i.postimg.cc/KGhrCVy4/Bez-nazwy-23.png

Lukasz K36 dendrogram
https://i.postimg.cc/RhL3mGKY/k36-dendrogram.png

[Vasconcelos]

Davidski's Celtic VS Germanic


PCA
https://i.imgur.com/JT99xFQ.png

LDA
https://i.imgur.com/6LAvFcZ.png





Global 25
Portugal in mediumblue
Me in green

Unscaled - Iberian PCA
https://i.postimg.cc/BqtjvBgs/iberiapca.png


Unscaled - Iberia + North Africa
https://i.postimg.cc/kgHXSLcC/iberianapca.png


Unscaled - Iberia + West Europe
https://i.postimg.cc/r8CR3wQR/iberiaweuropca.png


Unscaled - Iberia + West Europe w/o Sardinia
https://i.postimg.cc/ZmssMbgM/nosardpca.png




Scaled PCA
https://i.postimg.cc/vyP82nGw/G25.png



I ran a few simple models in poi's nMonte webtool using G25 scaled coordinates to find a good fit for me using modern samples, starting off from Castilla Y León since that's the average sample that is clearly closest to me. I improved it using an additional northern and southern source, the result was 7,5% Morocco; 60% León; and 32,5% Pais Vasco.
The geographic location of the result is in the map below as a white dot. The wierd x is my actual ancestry location centroid
https://i.postimg.cc/L938bFbv/poig25map.png
Closest average distances:
Castilla Y León - 1.7617
Extremadura - 2.3430
Andalucia - 2.5650
La Mancha - 2.8180

Same thing with unscaled coordinates: 2,5% Morocco; 65% León; 32,5% Pais Vasco
https://i.postimg.cc/ZJL1ByLq/poig25unscmap.png
Closest average distances:
Castilla Y León - 1.0767
Cantabria - 1.3530
Andalucia - 1.3560
Extremadura - 1.3850

[Vasconcelos]

Ancestor locations - mostly in the 1700s

Dark green - most ancient paternal ancestor (late 1600s)

Green - paternal grandfather's ancestors
Blue - paternal grandmother's ancestors
Clay - maternal grandfather's ancestors
Yellow - maternal grandmother's ancestors

https://i.postimg.cc/HLKJdCjT/0.png
Close up (https://i.postimg.cc/y8xYdrMx/2.png)






Global 25 unscaled

Cluster 8 is composed of Iberians, with the leftmost ones being Basques, and rightmost ones North Italians.
I'm the R

https://i.postimg.cc/dsmZkg7t/G25-unscaled.jpg



Eurogenes K15 graph

I'm the 2nd Portuguese result, red arrow

https://i.postimg.cc/371DK55t/K15-graphs.png






I think this is it, not much point adding more. Overall north/northwestern - or Basquish - shifted results for a Portuguese.
Thank you for your time

[Lucas]

DNA.LAND?

Geneplaza?

MyHeritage?

:)

[FilhoV]

What is Scottish LBK?

[Vasconcelos]

What is Scottish LBK?

Where do you see that? There's no such thing as Scottish LBK because Linearbandkeramik was in Central Europe, not the British Isles

[FilhoV]

Where do you see that? There's no such thing as Scottish LBK because Linearbandkeramik was in Central Europe, not the British Isles

I meant Scotland LBA

[Vasconcelos]

I meant Scotland LBA

LBA - Late Bronze Age


[1] "distance%=2.6803"

Scotland_LBA

Yamnaya_Samara,58
LBK_N,33.8
WHG,8.2

[FilhoV]

LBA - Late Bronze Age


[1] "distance%=2.6803"

Scotland_LBA

Yamnaya_Samara,58
LBK_N,33.8
WHG,8.2

Thanks ;)

[Vasconcelos]

I decided to include a few nMonte models I made in the meanwhile, using the Global25 coordinates. PCA plot below includes all West Eurasian populations in the dataset, but was zoomed onto Iberia alone. I'm Ruderico

https://i.postimg.cc/1sNGxL7R/westeurasiapca-zoomiberia.png


[1] "distance%=2.2305"

Ruderico

Hallstatt_Bylany,43.4
Iberia_BA,34.4
Roman_Collegno_o1,18.4
Iberomaurusian,3.8

Iberian regional references in the same model, for reference

[1] "distance%=1.1336"

Portuguese

Hallstatt_Bylany,37.8
Iberia_BA,34
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,23.8
Iberomaurusian,4.4



[1] "distance%=0.8771"

Spanish_Extremadura

Hallstatt_Bylany,35.8
Iberia_BA,35.6
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,24.2
Iberomaurusian,4.4



[1] "distance%=1.3905"

Spanish_Galicia

Iberia_BA,39.6
Hallstatt_Bylany,31.6
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,24.8
Iberomaurusian,4



[1] "distance%=1.3863"

Spanish_Cantabria

Iberia_BA,49.6
Hallstatt_Bylany,33.2
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,16.2
Iberomaurusian,1



[1] "distance%=1.2908"

Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

Hallstatt_Bylany,45.2
Iberia_BA,30.8
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,19.8
Iberomaurusian,4.2



[1] "distance%=1.0367"

Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha

Iberia_BA,40.8
Hallstatt_Bylany,36
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,21.8
Iberomaurusian,1.4



[1] "distance%=1.1052"

Spanish_Andalucia

Iberia_BA,38
Hallstatt_Bylany,34.8
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,25
Iberomaurusian,2.2



[1] "distance%=0.6667"

Spanish_Murcia

Iberia_BA,39
Hallstatt_Bylany,34.4
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,24.4
Iberomaurusian,2.2



[1] "distance%=1.781"

Spanish_Valencia

Hallstatt_Bylany,40.6
Iberia_BA,40.4
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,17.6
Iberomaurusian,1.4



[1] "distance%=1.1052"

Spanish_Cataluna

Iberia_BA,40
Hallstatt_Bylany,37.8
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,20.2
Iberomaurusian,2



[1] "distance%=1.2159"

Spanish_Aragon

Iberia_BA,45.4
Hallstatt_Bylany,34.2
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,18.4
Iberomaurusian,2



[1] "distance%=1.2659"

Spanish_Baleares

Hallstatt_Bylany,39.8
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,30.2
Iberia_BA,29.4
Iberomaurusian,0.6



[1] "distance%=1.4812"

Spanish_Canarias

Iberia_BA,38.6
Hallstatt_Bylany,30.6
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,22.8
Iberomaurusian,8







Adding SZ30 Lombard form Szólád, Hungary. She improves the fit greatly, for whatever reason:

[1] "distance%=1.7225"

Ruderico

Iberia_BA,38.8
Hungary_Medieval_Szolad,35.6
Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1,14.4
Hallstatt_Bylany,7
Iberomaurusian,4.2


Slightly random locations which provide a good fit (gotten from Gradient Descent Algorithm):

[1] "distance%=1.5814"

Ruderico

Scotland_LBA,61.6
Ukraine_N_o,19.8
ALPc_MN,13
Iberomaurusian,5.6

Same with individual samples (England_CA_EBA wasn't picked up on the previous model, but was included on the dataset):

[1] "distance%=0.8188"

Ruderico

Scotland_LBA,39.6
ALPc_MN,21.4
England_CA_EBA,18.8
Ukraine_N_o,14.6
Iberomaurusian,5.6





[1] "distance%=3.6896"

Scotland_LBA:I3130

Yamnaya_Samara,60
LBK_N,31.4
WHG,8.6

[1] "distance%=3.8735"

England_CA_EBA:I2601

Yamnaya_Samara,56.6
LBK_N,29.6
WHG,13.8


[1] "distance%=4.1538"

Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ30

Yamnaya_Samara,56.4
LBK_N,38.6
WHG,5

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Adding SZ30 Lombard form Szólád, Hungary. She improves the fit greatly, for whatever reason:


Most Iberians usually get close approximations with Hungarian ancient samples. Try this:

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm

[Vasconcelos]

Most Iberians usually get close approximations with Hungarian ancient samples. Try this:

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm

That's based on K36. Yuck.


Most West Europeans do, but some samples are statistically better than others and the reason is sometimes not because of shared ancestry. Compare the models above.
SZ30 in particular plots with modern Brits, she seems to have some trend that is not wholy Germanic (maybe what Gedmatch models labelled 'Atlantic') much like I do.


I actually used the averages when making the above models, but iirc one Hallstatt sample has some eastern ancestry, so maybe I should have added both to the dataset. Oh well.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

What's wrong with K36?

[Vasconcelos]

It's not as good as other Eurogenes calculators. And neither of those are as good as G25

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

It's not as good as other Eurogenes calculators. And neither of those are as good as G25

É a calculadora mais popular e fiável do antigo projecto Eurogenes. É verdade que o próprio autor aparenta não gostar muito desta calculadora mas os componentes foram todos escolhidos a dedo, só peca mesmo pelos nomes que ele atribui aos componentes (French, Italian, Armenian, etc) porque na realidade foram usadas apenas samples ancestrais e não de países modernos.

O teu próprio similarity map que postaste baseado no K36 está em total concordância com os teus outros resultados.

[Vasconcelos]

É a calculadora mais popular e fiável do antigo projecto Eurogenes. É verdade que o próprio autor aparenta não gostar muito desta calculadora mas os componentes foram todos escolhidos a dedo, só peca mesmo pelos nomes que ele atribui aos componentes (French, Italian, Armenian, etc) porque na realidade foram usadas apenas samples ancestrais e não de países modernos.

O teu próprio similarity map que postaste baseado no K36 está em total concordância com os teus outros resultados.

Mas fiável segundo quem? Não segundo quem o criou, que é quem está mais habilitado a avaliar. O David nem sequer usa o K13/15, quanto mais o K36. A expressão que ele usa para esses é "stone age".
O similarity map é giro, mas a única coisa que faz é calcular distâncias entre referências. Ainda por cima referências unitárias são enganadoras porque ignoram a variação existente.


O G25 passou esses todos à frente, não vale a pena perder muito tempo com calculadores antigos.

[Vasconcelos]

I decided to post a few models in nMonte3 using the new historical Iberian samples from Olalde 2019 in Global 25. I'll couple the results with others from a few Iberian regions, for comparison.


First dataset includes both Iberia_North_IA (I3758 and I3759) samples, the Collegno outlier as a proxy for Roman (and other Central/East Med-related ancestry) and Guanche11.


[1] "distance%=1.7726"

Vasconcelos

Celtiberian,77.6
Roman_Imperial_proxy,13.6
Guanche,8.8


[1] "distance%=1.036"

Portuguese

Celtiberian,69.2
Roman_Imperial_proxy,19.4
Guanche,11.4


[1] "distance%=1.4194"

Spanish_Galicia

Celtiberian,70
Roman_Imperial_proxy,19.6
Guanche,10.4


[1] "distance%=0.999"

Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

Celtiberian,72.8
Roman_Imperial_proxy,16.8
Guanche,10.4


[1] "distance%=1.339"

Spanish_Cantabria

Celtiberian,81.6
Roman_Imperial_proxy,13
Guanche,5.4


[1] "distance%=1.0186"

Spanish_Andalucia

Celtiberian,70.6
Roman_Imperial_proxy,22.6
Guanche,6.8



The following model is similar to the previous one, but aimed at getting a look at Germanic ancestry using the Olalde samples. It includes an averaged Celtiberian and Visigothic (without I12034 who is a local) reference.

[1] "distance%=1.9349"

Vasconcelos

Celtiberian,80
Guanche,10.4
Roman_Imperial_proxy,9.6
Visigothic,0



[1] "distance%=1.0936"

Portuguese

Celtiberian,63
Roman_Imperial_proxy,15.8
Guanche,10.6
Visigothic,10.6


[1] "distance%=1.5939"

Spanish_Galicia

Celtiberian,55
Visigothic,20.2
Roman_Imperial_proxy,15
Guanche,9.8


[1] "distance%=1.0229"

Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

Celtiberian,72.8
Guanche,10.8
Roman_Imperial_proxy,10
Visigothic,6.4


[1] "distance%=1.3788"

Spanish_Cantabria

Celtiberian,83.4
Roman_Imperial_proxy,9.2
Guanche,4.6
Visigothic,2.8


[1] "distance%=1.0692"

Spanish_Andalucia

Celtiberian,71.8
Roman_Imperial_proxy,17.8
Guanche,6.4
Visigothic,4



I also asked Davidski to pass the Visigothic and Iron Age Olalde samples into his Celtic vs Germanic PCA so I could confirm the Goths would plot were proper Germanic individuals would (spoiler: they do). It also made me now fit inside one of the clusters on the PCA (finally) with Iron Age Iberians, which kind of explains why I have an odd position - extremelly low, or none at all, Germanic ancestry

https://i.postimg.cc/qkNCJw3b/base.png




This all strongly seems to hint that I have average West Iberian north African ancestry, low Mediterranean-related ancestry and pretty much no Germanic whatsoever, probably a result of genetic isolation and drift, which ends up being very Basque-like, despite not having no Basque ancestry at all.

[Lucas]

I also asked Davidski to pass the Visigothic and Iron Age Olalde samples into his Celtic vs Germanic PCA so I could confirm the Goths would plot were proper Germanic individuals would (spoiler: they do). It also made me now fit inside one of the clusters on the PCA (finally) with Iron Age Iberians, which kind of explains why I have an odd position - extremelly low, or none at all, Germanic ancestry

.

Can you reveal where exactly Goths plot on Celtic vs Germanic PCA? On your example there aren't add yet?

[Vasconcelos]

Can you reveal where exactly Goths plot on Celtic vs Germanic PCA? On your example there aren't add yet?

They are. Between Germans, French_East, Belgians and Austrians. 'Visigothic' is written behind -0.0075 on the y axis
Maybe I should have chosen another colour, this one is kind of hard to read

[Lucas]

They are. Between Germans, French_East, Belgians and Austrians. 'Visigothic' is written behind -0.0075 on the y axis
Maybe I should have chosen another colour, this one is kind of hard to read


I see them now:)

[Vasconcelos]

Not going to spend a single euro on mytrueancestry (poor version of G25), but decided to see what they had to say anyway. Overall it's the same old expected result.


https://i.postimg.cc/MpLynw2C/mta.png

The modern closest matches aren't too far off G25's: Castilla_Y_Leon, Valencia, Aragon, La Mancha and Andalucia - so mostly north or east Iberia.
I was born on the wrong end on the peninsula, apparently.

1. Spanish_Aragon (5.184)
2. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (5.605)
3. Spanish_Andalucia (6.308)
4. Spanish_Valencia (6.399)
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Edit: Just for curiosity, here are the matches for Portugal, which are clearly distinct from mine

1. Spanish_Galicia (3.091)
2. Spanish_Extremadura (3.134)
3. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (4.148)
4. Spanish_Cataluna (4.157)
5. Spanish_Murcia (4.354)
6. Spanish_Cantabria (7.296)
7. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (7.784)
8. Spanish_Valencia (7.803)


1. *Gallo-Roman (4.844)
2. *Illyrian (4.844)
3. Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (4.844)
4. Gallo-Roman + Thracian (6.948)
5. Gallo-Roman (7.383)
6. Illyrian (7.987)
7. Thracian (10.32)

[Lucas]

Not going to spend a single euro on mytrueancestry (poor version of G25), but decided to see what they had to say anyway. Overall it's the same old expected result.




At least one user here who thinks:)

Check also K36 Ancient on Admixturestudio for comparison. It is free version of it.

[Vasconcelos]

At least one user here who thinks:)

Check also K36 Ancient on Admixturestudio for comparison. It is free version of it.

I'm actually not a huge fan of using K36 on ancient samples, but it's cool Admixturestudio has new references for the oracles.
In the meanwhile a buddy over Anthrogenica has integrated the new samples from the Iberian study in a K15 Oracle and ran my coordinates through it.
It's similar to what others say, I basically get North Iberian with slightly higher levels of North Africa because I'm actually West Iberian. In this set, I match the Asturian reference very well


80.0% French SW average n=18 + 20.0% Algerian @ 3.739,
87.0% Sp_La Rioja + 13.0% Moroccan @ 3.806,
98.0% Spaniard Asturias n=4 + 2.0% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 3.849,
98.0% Spaniard Asturias n=4 + 2.0% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 3.853,
98.0% Spaniard Asturias n=4 + 2.0% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 3.877,
95.0% Spanish_Aragon + 5.0% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 3.881,
98.0% Spaniard Asturias n=4 + 2.0% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 3.883,
64.0% Spaniard Murcia n=3 + 36.0% French_Basque @ 3.901,
96.0% Spanish_Aragon + 4.0% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 3.908,
98.0% Spaniard Asturias n=4 + 2.0% Maasai @ 3.91,
96.0% Spanish_Aragon + 4.0% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 3.915,
98.0% Spaniard Asturias n=4 + 2.0% Sandawe @ 3.928,
98.0% Spaniard Asturias n=4 + 2.0% Somali @ 3.934,
98.0% Spaniard Asturias n=4 + 2.0% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 3.935,
85.0% French SW average n=18 + 15.0% Egyptian @ 3.937,



Here's the same, but on Admixturestudio


Mixed Mode:
Elapsed Time: 4800 ms
1 91,99% Spanish_Aragon + 8,01% Mozabite_Berber @ 3,533
2 92,38% Spanish_Aragon + 7,62% Moroccan @ 3,578
3 92,77% Spanish_Aragon + 7,23% Tunisian @ 3,689
4 93,16% Spanish_Aragon + 6,84% Algerian @ 3,777
5 73,63% French_Basque + 26,37% Algerian @ 3,928
6 95,90% Spanish_Aragon + 4,10% Egyptian @ 4,086
7 79,88% French_Basque + 20,12% Egyptian @ 4,292
8 96,68% Spanish_Aragon + 3,32% Bedouin @ 4,298
9 97,46% Spanish_Aragon + 2,54% Jordanian @ 4,422
10 97,46% Spanish_Aragon + 2,54% Palestinian @ 4,439
11 96,68% Spanish_Aragon + 3,32% Tunisian_Jew @ 4,443
12 75,20% Spanish_Aragon + 24,80% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4,461
13 96,29% Spanish_Aragon + 3,71% NE1 @ 4,489
14 96,68% Spanish_Aragon + 3,32% Algerian_Jew @ 4,492
15 97,07% Spanish_Aragon + 2,93% Libyan_Jew @ 4,494
16 76,37% Spanish_Andalucia + 23,63% French_Basque @ 4,511
17 97,85% Spanish_Aragon + 2,15% Samaritan @ 4,518
18 97,85% Spanish_Aragon + 2,15% Syrian @ 4,519
19 97,07% Spanish_Aragon + 2,93% Sephardic_Jew @ 4,520
20 97,07% Spanish_Aragon + 2,93% Stuttgart @ 4,521
21 97,46% Spanish_Aragon + 2,54% NE6 @ 4,540
22 74,02% French_Basque + 25,98% Tunisian @ 4,547
23 97,46% Spanish_Aragon + 2,54% Italian_Jew @ 4,558
24 99,02% Spanish_Aragon + 0,98% Tu @ 4,567
25 96,68% Spanish_Aragon + 3,32% West_Sicilian @ 4,568
26 98,24% Spanish_Aragon + 1,76% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4,568
27 97,46% Spanish_Aragon + 2,54% Ashkenazi @ 4,568
28 98,24% Spanish_Aragon + 1,76% Cypriot @ 4,584
29 97,46% Spanish_Aragon + 2,54% East_Sicilian @ 4,584
30 97,46% Spanish_Aragon + 2,54% Sardinian @ 4,587
31 97,46% Spanish_Aragon + 2,54% Greek @ 4,600
32 97,85% Spanish_Aragon + 2,15% South_Italian @ 4,606
33 98,63% Spanish_Aragon + 1,37% Uzbek @ 4,612
34 77,15% Spanish_Aragon + 22,85% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4,613
35 99,02% Spanish_Aragon + 0,98% Hazara @ 4,617
36 99,02% Spanish_Aragon + 0,98% Uygur @ 4,619
37 98,24% Spanish_Aragon + 1,76% Oetzi @ 4,623
38 97,85% Spanish_Aragon + 2,15% Bulgarian @ 4,626
39 91,99% Spanish_Aragon + 8,01% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4,628
40 98,24% Spanish_Aragon + 1,76% Central_Greek @ 4,629



And here the K13's Oracle


Mixed Mode:
Elapsed Time: 4250 ms
1 90,04% Spanish_Cantabria + 9,96% Moroccan @ 1,935
2 90,04% Spanish_Cantabria + 9,96% Algerian @ 2,016
3 90,04% Spanish_Cantabria + 9,96% Mozabite_Berber @ 2,093
4 90,43% Spanish_Cantabria + 9,57% Tunisian @ 2,200
5 88,48% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 11,52% Gokhem2 @ 2,264
6 94,34% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 5,66% Moroccan @ 2,375
7 91,99% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 8,01% Sardinian @ 2,406
8 92,77% Spanish_Cantabria + 7,23% Egyptian @ 2,424
9 94,73% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 5,27% Mozabite_Berber @ 2,448
10 94,73% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 5,27% Algerian @ 2,511
11 94,73% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 5,27% NE6 @ 2,570
12 92,38% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 7,62% Oetzi @ 2,606
13 95,12% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 4,88% Tunisian @ 2,607
14 93,95% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 6,05% Stuttgart @ 2,723
15 63,87% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 36,13% Spanish_Galicia @ 2,756
16 50,20% Spanish_Galicia + 49,80% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2,846
17 93,55% Spanish_Cantabria + 6,45% Bedouin @ 2,847
18 97,07% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 2,93% Egyptian @ 2,908
19 87,30% Spanish_Extremadura + 12,70% French_Basque @ 2,916
20 61,91% Spanish_Galicia + 38,09% Spanish_Aragon @ 2,917
21 58,79% Spanish_Extremadura + 41,21% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2,932
22 91,99% Spanish_Cantabria + 8,01% Libyan_Jew @ 2,971
23 64,65% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 35,35% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2,983
24 50,20% Spanish_Cantabria + 49,80% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2,985
25 73,63% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 26,37% Portuguese @ 3,021
26 60,74% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 39,26% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3,024
27 97,85% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 2,15% Bedouin @ 3,040
28 50,20% Spanish_Extremadura + 49,80% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3,041
29 50,20% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 49,80% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3,046
30 88,87% Spanish_Aragon + 11,13% Moroccan @ 3,060
31 66,21% Spanish_Extremadura + 33,79% Spanish_Aragon @ 3,066
32 92,38% Spanish_Cantabria + 7,62% Tunisian_Jew @ 3,070
33 50,20% Spanish_Aragon + 49,80% Spanish_Galicia @ 3,076
34 93,95% Spanish_Cantabria + 6,05% Palestinian @ 3,080
35 98,63% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 1,37% Tu @ 3,102
36 93,95% Spanish_Cantabria + 6,05% Jordanian @ 3,111
37 95,12% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 4,88% NE1 @ 3,125
38 74,02% Spanish_Extremadura + 25,98% Southwest_French @ 3,142
39 97,85% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 2,15% NE6 @ 3,157
40 66,60% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 33,40% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3,164




Here's the K=7 from another recent study
https://i.postimg.cc/XjmfdQvh/admixturek7.png

Clearly on this one my orange bar would be very large when compared to the Portuguese references. I suppose the consequence would be that my green and both blue ones would be smaller than those of my countrymen - this would explain why my results seem 'Basque-like' without being actually Basque, it's just much more common in northern/eastern Iberia

[Lucas]

I'm actually not a huge fan of using K36 on ancient samples, but it's cool Admixturestudio has new references for the oracles.
In the meanwhile a buddy over Anthrogenica has integrated the new samples from the Iberian study in a K15 Oracle and ran my coordinates through it.
It's similar to what others say, I basically get North Iberian with slightly higher levels of North Africa because I'm actually West Iberian.
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What Iberian study samples you are talking? Ancient or modern? Can you post link to this paper?

[Vasconcelos]

What Iberian study samples you are talking? Ancient or modern? Can you post link to this paper?

It's a modern one, it basically confirms that Iberians are generally more genetically similar on a linguistic than geographical level, much like the other one from one year ago.
It also includes those K=7 models the other study lacked, which I found interesting because I can how have an idea on how I'd look on those - I'm assuming my orange bar would be very large when compare to the Portuguese/Galician samples and my green bar would be small, which is why I get paired so often with north and east Iberians pretty much everywhere

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-44121-6
https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41598-019-44121-6/MediaObjects/41598_2019_44121_MOESM1_ESM.pdf

[Lucas]

It's a modern one, it basically confirms that Iberians are generally more genetically similar on a linguistic than geographical level, much like the other one from one year ago.
It also includes those K=7 models the other study lacked, which I found interesting because I can how have an idea on how I'd look on those - I'm assuming my orange bar would be very large when compare to the Portuguese/Galician samples and my green bar would be small, which is why I get paired so often with north and east Iberians pretty much everywhere

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-44121-6
https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41598-019-44121-6/MediaObjects/41598_2019_44121_MOESM1_ESM.pdf

I doubt some fellow user from Anthrogenica got samples from restricted Iberian dataset, available only upon request from authors...

[Vasconcelos]

I doubt some fellow user from Anthrogenica got samples from restricted Iberian dataset, available only upon request from authors...

Actually you're right I misread his info, he got samples from another study, but it still includes new ones so that's helpful. I'm always curious to see how more Iberian regions look like on K13 and K15.